They know fantano does matter, they're just saying he doesn't matter as cope because they know that the album sucks too but they don't want to admit it
@@thepoopmonster1041- he called Post Malone a one hit wonder in 2016 and said Stoney was bad.. which both are just objectively bad takes at the time and in the future, he’s had so many bad takes.. his opinion really doesn’t matter.
@@elitetv1735 yet everybody STILL goes around talking about him, if yall REALLY didnt give a fuck about his opinion, you wouldve seen his video, not watched it, and stopped thinking about it. instead everybody wants to go around replying to eveybody saying NOBODY CARES ABOUT FANTANO!!!!!! yea u do u keep talking about him.
Commenting under a RU-vid music reviewer saying “you’re only talking about Kanye because you’re making money off of it” is like going to McDonald’s and telling the cashier “you’re only taking my order because you want to make money” Yeah. That’s what they chose to do. This is apart of their job. Move on. You understand the nature of their job, if you dislike it then why did you choose to come here 😂
If anyone actually gave a shit about Kanye as a person, they would be advocating for him to get help, get offline, and spend more time with his family instead of his paid followers.
Nah they're too busy trynna give this man a pass and santize his public image. Someone they've never met. Celebrity culture in this country is just disgusting. It just disenfranchised the "average" American.
Kanye wants to spend more time with his family Everytime he goes off in public that’s the main thing he is always talking about, the fact he wants to be in his families life and it’s being made difficult for him and no one helping him.
Its not our responsibilty to help him. Ye has more resources than we could possibly imagine and a support group that he pushed away over the last five or six years. I care more about the Jewish kids I dont know, listening to Ye's rethoric being repeated by the kids who revere him.
Its crazy how people say Fantano's reviews don't mean shit and that he is a horrible music critic unless their favorite artist gets a "good" review And as you see the main fanbases that always have issues and bring up the man's wife or ex wife(don't care about that man's personal life) its always the Drake, Kanye, and Carti/Opium STANS that take his reviews too seriously
If your getting so pressed over someone’s opinion to the point where your bringing up their divorce you should probably take a break from the internet and get a hobby
No one would care about fantano's opinion if he had not garnered an audience or had a platform. He would just be another nobody with trash takes. I think it's simply the attention and notoriety he has in the hip hop community that pisses people off. It makes it seem like his opinion is worth something
@@brawler5785 I’m not saying there’s a better or worse evil. However Carti hasn’t been in as many public headlines for his outrageous behavior compared to Kanye. But as Carti gets bigger his negative actions will follow if he don’t clean up, and soon!
The thing with carti is that he is literally a rat. He came from asap mob and since there he had just been stwaling things from others just like rocky, bari, ian connor and more. Carti has never been a good guy, his fans just ignore everything he does.
It’s not that Carti is worse than ye …. Ye has some controversial beliefs … Carti doesn’t talk no bs like politics and try to be more then what he is so ion see the comparisons aside from the artistry
@@losk3442 His good qualities if he had any were practically nonexistent compared to the evil he is responsible for. I can't even make an extreme comparison to show how ridiculous it is to discuss Hitler's good qualities. Not to mention the fact that it goes both ways, If I were to say how ussr had vastly improved russia from it's previous state and funded the arts that according to George Lucas had more artistic liberties than usa I heavily doubt you would sit there silent.
@@losk3442 that’s not all he said tho. If u watch the entire interview you’ll see what I mean. He also went on a rant about how his doctor was Jewish and how that was the reason he was misdiagnosed. Not to mention he openly endorsed white supremacists like Nick Fuentes. When you’re as big as Kanye West and have people who look up to you and are influenced by you, you can’t just be saying shit like that. Its extremely dangerous.
The livestream was way worse. The internet actually got to him to the point he was openly talking about his divorce for the first time ive seen. It was straight hating as a result of the fans of the album going at him.
Fantano: I’m not separating the art from the artist because his views reflect in the art and I don’t agree with that. Ye fans: You’re being unfair to the billionaire rapper stop being so mean to the anti-semite, *insert random whataboutism here*
The same Fantano that reviewed Varg Vikernes, known neo-nazi and convicted murder, and then said, I quote: "I don't give a shit if he burned down churches, I don't care if he murdered a guy, I really don't care if he's racist {...} if you like the music, who cares what he has to say"
@@battlerifle8642 brother that was 12 years ago, i’m not a fan of Fantano but he really didn’t start thinking the way he does now until like 2017, he used to be very edgy and cringe like Ye is rn. Also, this is another whataboutism like cmon LMAO
@@battlerifle8642 Anthony, as opposed to Kanye, started out kinda as a right-wing troll and slowly changed his views over time to reflect the feedback he got from the world around him.
i genuinely appreciate how much effort Shawn put into explaining both his and Fantano's views. Said so much with little to no anger. Very mature and articulated.
Well I’m a Kanye West fan, but I don’t approve of the stuff that he’s doing now. And the last album that I had listened to of he’s was The Life of Pablo. I can’t support the bullshit that he says and supports now. And it wasn’t just him saying stuff about Jewish people. It’s also the stuff that he said about black people. And I’m black myself. So I just can’t defend him anymore
@@andresciahooten9598on god, his ancestors were probably tortured and killed not even 300 years ago and he STILL thinks it's fine to deny slavery and genocide? I'm no activist, but how the fuck he has any black fans is insane to me.
Stans of any celebrity are mentally ill freaks who won’t be rational. Kanye has mental health issues but his personality is also naturally like this. Fantano is a hypocrite which is why he’s probably getting stick for his stance on Kanye now
@@ShoujoSnailthere was a time where kanye really was for his people and i think thats why. if kanye came out the gate from the beginning saying that stuff it wouldnt fly. but he had a history of being for black people and since he switched his fans are stuck on the old kanye so they let new kanye slide with whatever.
thats why i dont understand these comments saying that he shouldve reviewed it. what? he would be honest and give it a max rating of like 2 and kanye stans would be even more unbearable lol
interesting that you address that “most regular people don’t have time to dive into this as much as some do” because I remember seeing that Kanye dropped this new album, feeling excited, but also weary because I remember hearing little things here and there about his controversial claims but not diving into it. and so upon casually playing a few songs i immediately was turned off by 1. the way the quality is nowhere near the Kanye i grew up with, and 2. many things he said were off putting. so now watching this video im both playing catch up and connecting dots
Bro is it your first time hearing about an age gap in dating? Do you think your parents are the same age? It's not like he's smashing 16 year olds, he's dating adults. Bianca is a grown ass woman
@@JACK-OMARI knowing his sanity, he probably will smash 16 year olds eventually 😂 oh, and better yet, he’ll make an album about it to justify his actions and his fanbase will try and lecture us into why we should leave him alone 🤣
and to those kanye nerds that bring up melon dude reviewing a nazi band before, I went back and watched the review. He openly states at the end he will no longer be reviewing his music because the dude is a literal nazi. That band is the band kanye has sampled and wore merch from/used their imagery for the base album art before changing it.
"Who ain't entertained by my pain? Who ain't cashed a check off my name?" Kanye knew exactly what he was talking about. Melon needed to pay his month's rent
Fantano is a good music critic. People who say otherwise are salty Kanye Stan’s. Kanye spews super harmful rhetoric. He knows he’s wrong but does not apologize.
Because Shawn is black and has actual values built on real-world standards and life lessons; Fantano was swept up in the madness of Ye and got mud all over him playing in the pigpen.
Fantano got caught up in the twitter echo chamber. I’ve deleted that app long ago for that reason, you legitimately cannot have good discourse about anything in there.
He has done nothing but rage over it online for a week, literally has made more posts about it than any other project in recent years yet claims it isn't worth covering lol, some people are genuinely mad but those people are losers but personally it just looks embarrassing don't cover it all is the better option than what he's doing
@@goodguybrian9764what does that have to do with anything I just said? I don’t have Twitter but even if that’s true why are y’all this pressed over a RU-vidr?? How are y’all more mad over a RU-vidr not reviewing an album than Kanye saying anti black or anti semitic ish??
@@QuandaleDingleBarnacleJonesIIII think the the answer to your last question is self-explanatory. Why else would they not be more mad at Kanye. Hmm.... It's a mystery.
They're mad because when people have principles and morals that they abide by, some people trying to find justification for their own actions take it as an attack on their person.
He pretentiously paraded that he was on some moral high ground.. when in reality - he’s a hypocrite - he reviews people who did MUCH worse. Not to belittle antisemitism. He insulted bro’s wife on twitter - called his fans lives “meaningless” and does that fake laugh - to say he’s not bothered but clearly this is on his mind.
I mean Fantano also just continuously engages with that behavior for no actual valid reason online. It genuinely seems like he just wants attention from it at a certain point. I appreciate how Shawn handles these types of sensitive situations so much more
@@littled5986 bruh i mean what else is the point of stans, yeah? lots of kanye fans, myself included have found this album disappointing, but stans are obsessed so they gotta give the album a 100 on 10 in the first minus 10 hours of it's release
Fuck no lmao, you get so little out of saying some shit like this is "not good" and moving on, so little context for Ye as a person. That's why you shouldn't grade this.
People are trying too hard to intellectualize this matter like we’re obligated to never draw the line. Some things really aren’t worth separation. Some things are about principle and that’s okay.
makes no sense since he reviewed carti who beat him pregnant wife and travis scott who was responsible for 8 people dying yet pretends to care when its kanye so he could virtue signal 😂
@@joshwhite5730 I'm just wondering if Kanye stayed talking about jews and whatnot, but never brought it up in an album would Fantano still care? I honestly doubt it at this point, I feel like he'd still bring it up because of all the backlash he got from the fans.
You can't help anybody who doesn't want help, doesn't think he needs help, and cuts off anyone who does try to help. The irony is as self-aware as Kanye is about the vultures around him, those are the only people around him because those are the only people left willing to capitulate to his narcissism and disrespect. Kanye Stans' behavior towards Melon reflects that.
who is trying to help him? who did he cut off that was good for him? people like u around him would just make him worse, and hes not a narc mostly just paranoid and probably has adhd and got misdiagnosed with bpd
@@Z4NKA1 Pfft. I wouldn't be around Kanye because I have a little too much self-respect, integrity, and well-calibrated BS meter. Conversely, it sounds like you're projecting the fact that if he was around you, he would be worse because all you'd do is enable his self-indulgent tendencies.
@@Eiuol81853 you would enable it more 😂 you have 0 self awareness, and you couldnt even answer the question on who is actually trying to help him. only person who supported him is dead the rest just use his mental illness against him or try to manipulate him for money/clout
@@smaaron_j_46 mike was the one who cut ties with him because he didnt like his work schedule. big sean is irrelavent, pusha is just as bad as kanye and was using him, and hes friends with kudi again who is also mentally unhealthy
Edit: kept watching when i got back home and i actually agree with the point you make about how planting seeds of bigotry is alot easier to do than making someone a full bigot e.g. in this case an anti semite. Thats fair and I can definitely see how that might be the case w/ ye's audience based on the interactions i see them have online "Future is not the person that made people not treat women right" Shawn if ur reading this, i hope this doesnt come across the wrong way, i understand most of what uv said in your video and agree with a whole chunk, not tryna argue for the sake of arguing or ruin anyones day, ig im just tryna show that there are reasonable people who are ig not on the other side of this issue but have contentions with how public figures are handling and responding to the kanye dialogue. So that being said, i found the fact u said this to be interesting, bc from my perspective as far as i can tell that type of logic also applies to kanye. From what iv seen online, being in alot of kanye spaces over the years and now having to distance myself, kanye didnt convince his pre existing fanbase to become anti semitic. Kanye developed a new fanbase by attracting a bunch of people who were already anti semitic and or alt right. I do not think that anything kanye has said on his platform has been coherent or cohesive enough to convince anyone of anything they didnt already want to believe on some level - because he was clearly just going on schizoative paranoid delusional rants because he is an egotistical person who thanks to his schizoactive paranoia mixed with bi polar and all the crap he was dealing with in his life went down an illuminati type rabbit hole, yet people like fantano intentionally choose to ignore this part of the dialogue and treat and criticise him in the same way you would trump or alex jones or actual evil bigoted dishonest actors. To be clear, IM NOT SAYING WE SHOULDNT BE USING OUR PLATFORMS TO CRITICISE KANYE OR THE STUFF HE SAYS. What i am saying is that if we are going to, we need to be more open and honest about the full picture of what is happening here, because as someone who suffers from bi polar and cptsd, it is honestly heartbreaking and feels gaslighty watching everyone continue to dismiss the very big role kanye's instability is playing in all this, treating him as if he has the same level of self control, awareness or even understanding of what is happening as anyone else while he is clearly mid episode. Alot of people dont understand alot of mental health disorders other than basic things like anxiety and depression, and kanye could be a really good starting point for a dialogue about the seriousness of different mental health conditions and how they can deeply affect your understanding of reality. I think Kanye is a perfect example of how bad it can get. And ig as someone who while not delusional has had alot of my perspective on life jarringly flipped upside down in different periods of my life because of my cptsd and bi polar, it hurts knowing that this is all the world will ever be willing to do to understand us. People want to spread mental health awareness but they never want to truly understand. And ig that hurts, life is not easy for me at the moment. I'm constantly at risk of being in d ward and the only thing that stops me is even tho im not safe being in d ward triggers my ptsd making shit worse because hospitals are a trigger for me. Anyway, peace and love to everyone, i really hope people read this, im not here to try and make anyone think kanye's behaviour is ok or it isnt important to push back on the things he says because like shawn said they are dangerous ideas and thats exactly what people should do with their platforms. Ig i just wish we tried to have a more human understanding of these situations. Lord knows i have done some things i regret in mental states where i didnt feel fully in control, and im lucky im not famous and the only people that know are people who actually know me and dont unfairly judge my while character, which i feel alot of the time people like fantano seem to do with kanye. And i think thats unfair and dangerous in its own way. It certainly turns off audience members like me i feel as much as him ignoring the anti semitic comments would for his jewish audience members. P.S - apologies if this isnt very coherent, it was actually really hard to write this without getting emotional and my thoughts were all over the place. Its embarrassing to admit but its the truth so eh no point hiding it
I also have bipolar disorder (bipolar 1 w/ psychotic episodes to be exact). I somewhat can relate to what Kanye is going through (minus the bigotry) because due to a series of psychotic episodes I went through I was also paranoid and lashed out often. However I did get help and also was able to find a good therapist (after 3 attempts). I do grade Kanye on a curve because I can understand what he is going through, but I do think people’s criticisms are fair because he refuses to get help. However I completely agree with you that people don’t want to take the time to understand how mental illness can cause someone to act, which requires having sympathy for someone, which a lot of people aren’t willing to do
@@Tsuenciagait’s like the Norm joke. “There was a horrible man who came to power in Germany in the 1930s. I don’t want to dignify him by saying his name.”
Kanye is def on a musical decline, and i dont expect him to make an album better than his first 6. But personally, im always gonna be curious what the music sounds like even if its only getting worse. Cause kanyes worst is still more interesting and refreshing than most music out right now. Def wont be on repeat, but im still gonna see wassup.
@@jakobplscook someone out there who likes Carnival would argue that it’s “experimental” 🤦🏼♂️ in this case, it’s just a buzzword to justify mid quality
@@jakobplscookstill, the quality and consistency are there and that's what people largely expect from Ye now considering his decline and his age in general. His politics are and have always been a function of his mental illness since the rant in South Carolina. I tend to believe the only real allegiance he had to people like Nick and Milo were that they would entertain his bullshit and no one else liked them so Kanye could keep playing victim while he did Nazi agitprop for a fake presidential campaign. With that said, Vultures is only a win to me becuase he's making club tracks. That's it.
@@vopcracker3193 Well the quality and consistency isn’t there when I listen to it, this is the first Ye album that I wasn’t able to like a single song enough to add to my playlist
@nickgehr5853 bro your username is nick gehr aint nobody taking a fucking thing you say seriously when you got kahoot usernames mfers thought were funny in middle school
@@nickgehr5853nah bro gotta be joking. There is no creativity in there, not a single bit. Just a recap of whats blowing up on hiphop rn, kanye used to be the one helping hiphop to advance, now he is just a joke
@@justastupidduckwithahat6393fr, keep seeing everyone try to be pretentious and overcomplicate it, the album is pretty good and it'll probably age well like donda
I’m 30 (just fyi) I used to be a Ye super fan until his outlandish takes on his own culture and his descent into caping for white supremacists, nazis and FUCKING hitler. This is a shit album. Ppl hear some OK kanye production and they just instantly forget what sort of person he truly is. Over the years of seeing a man I once looked up to creatively/ artistically start to morph into someone I didn’t even recognize anymore is sad BUT it’s realistic. That might come off as dystopian but it where I’m at regarding all things Kanye. He became what he despised when he was first making music. All that to say: Shawn, you’re not missing out on anything by not listening to this album. You won’t suddenly be flushed with confidence or joy or inspiration like his previous works before Yeezus once did. So in a way I 100% agree with fantano’s take.
Thanks man for reacting to the fantano video with some wisdom and genuine perspective cause man fantano is receiving some toxic reactions that he don’t deserve.
I feel like this conversation is much more nuanced then shawn gave it credit for. Like his whole point that fantanio SHOULD be advocating against the album because he has a platform and he should fight against what kanye is saying and that kanye is different to future in what his views are is faulty or not seeing the big picture for me. Lets be real here, rap as a genre is incredibly misogynistic. Alot of the views young men have on women in todays culture comes from rap. Drill rap, melodic rap, alot of these genres talk about women in a very negative way. Even in the 90's this was a problem. This isint even getting into drill rap and how negatively that has effected young black men. (Of course that isint specifically the core problem, but it dosent help. But the misogynistic point has had a HUGE impact on how young men view women and how they are viewed irl and in media.) So at this point, shouldent fantano talk about all of those rap albums, and call them unreviewable? What that chatter said about future, while obviously future isint the main perpetrator if we use their logic and say MOST of rap, their point would stand. But fantanio HAS reviewed those albums and has called alot of them GOOD. And you cant say separate the art from the artists because those views ARE in the songs. At this point you can ONLY listen to conscious rappers like kendrick, or j cole. What about all of the albums mentioning drugs and glorifying drugs etc. There is more problems I have with shawn cees points in the video, but this is the main one I just hard disagreed with him on And as an actual review of vultures, its a 6/10 album 7/10 if im being generous
Shawn i genuinely appreciate your approach to respecting kanye's mental struggle because im bipolar and its hard to see how people can throw kanye under the bus with regards to how he handles himself and it feels a lot like kanye becomes the main example in people's mind of how bipolar people are and it can be upsetting to see people treat him like he's super crazy because it feels like thats how people would treat you when they hear you have bipolar
I think its ok to criticize kanye and not even listen to kanye during his episodes but the answer isnt that he is crazy, the answer is that he needs to deal with his episodes in a less public manner because that only makes it worse.
Kanye is a self-absorbed asshole contrarian so refusing to get help with his mental health issues was HIS choice. The only person to blame for his downfall is himself
@@5t33lo Ty is not always a good writer. The takeaway is that he did he things. He delivered good choruses and vocals, especially on Beg Forgiveness, dude killed it.
@@greenimpact8266 yes he has his highs and lows on the album, but some bars are just so corny and basic, had me wondering why they let that stuff slip on the album. I do agree he has a great voice
@@5t33lono i feel it was more of the mixing, the mixing on those songs sound so ass but yo u gotta listen to VULTURES 2 snippets if that’s the track list then damn we lookin foward to potentially something great! a lot more variety in Vultures 2 can’t wait for listening party hopefully they make the final cut
But he won’t do that cos he’s money hungry. Bro tried suing a multibillion dollar company for using a copyright free audio clip and got countered sued… if he don’t like what ye is doing, don’t say anything lmao. By him making this vid he just caused thousands of convos about ye
I think Sean did a similar thing but the difference is when he said whilst one of the reasons I don’t want to listen to the album is to platform the white supremacist co-signs and anti-Semitic comments the main reason is I’d just rather not listen to the album being such a big Kanye fan of his old material and I haven’t enjoyed a release from him for a long time (because tbf sean didn’t even like kids see ghosts lmao) so he hasn’t gained enough faith in the fact he will like it. That’s his opinion whereas Fantano did a half-arsed review and just spoke about Kanye at length and criticised him, which btw were valid points imo but you can’t call an album unreviewable and proceed to review it super half-assed after going on a rant when people watch his videos for articulate music critiques. But tbf to Fantano it is hard to separate the music from the artist when the content is still about the controversies that have happened but still
To be fair fantano did a live reaction like he does every week for new releases. It’s not like Shawn hasn’t turned in half assed first listens before because he gets caught up with chat. Ultimately fantano reviews a lot of material, so it makes sense that he wouldn’t be inclined to revisit and give it another listen outside of livestream, especially when he had stated he didn’t care to check it out at the moment given the state of mind Kanye has had. People shouldn’t take his review to heart, same for Shawn’s feelings on this. It makes sense that they don’t want to use their platform to platform kanye right now. Chat definitely got to fantano though, but I can’t imagine what his feed/dm’s have looked like since he initially stated his distaste towards the music and Kanye’s statements
Shawn stuck to his words, melon was making vids on ye all throughout the rollout, started bitching on twitter, called the album unreviewable then reviewed like 2 songs. Afterwards when the vid got attention he reacted to it live. He either wanted attention which he got or wants to keep arguing with literal kids having fun listening to music who were not around for yes peak . And he reviewed burzums album wno is an actual nazi not just an anti semite( both is terrible). Ye apologized in hebrew , burzum didn't n won't, but calling yes album unreviewable cause of anti semitism n reviewing an actual nazi is mad hypocritical
@@balls5064 He has called burzum out multiple times after that review, he reacted to the ye album live before he dropped the main channel vid, and if people start flooding other artists reviews with comments about ye like they did now, its fucking annoying and taking the spotlight away from the artists. How could he have EVER known how easily these ye fans can turn into harassing little goblins if ye gets any form of criticism
idk if you watched the burzum review, but at the end of the review, he literally said he wouldn't be reviewing anymore of their music because of the fucked up things that they did. It's not hypocritical. when he learned more about them, he changed his habits accordingly. @@balls5064
I don’t have any social media but I’ve been using twitter again just because I’ve been trying to keep up with this one artist I follow but holy shit the discourse fucking sucks I’m sick of people every which way talking out they ass saying shit that’s just not even true and giving their 2 cents without actually saying anything
Thats also what triggers me the most. Like just dont review it. You telling the world you dont review it because u dont want to give him or his fans a platform yet make 10 minutes video about u r not reviewing it IS the definition of giving them a platform. Leave it the fuck alone. We all thats being objective in this situation knows Melon want the exposure and the heat that comes out from that video. Fuck kanye and everything that he stands for but its mindblowing to me melon or even shawn blame Ye diehard fans for doing what they'been doing to the point fantano "dont want to review it". Like what the FUCK do you expect?
To get some attention, I think. unreviewable 1 is his most viewed video of him in a while. I agree with some points in the review, but 9/10th of the review is not about the album. It's ok, tho.
I feel like Shawn handled the situation a lot better, he didn't want to review it and didn't spend time constantly tweeting about either and I barely see anyone hating on him for it. If Fantano knows that Kanye's stans can get wild it's best to avoid constantly baiting them. I wonder if he'll keep the same energy for Ken Carson/Destroy Lonely fans as well since they leaked his divorce papers.
Bro the Gabriel cover was so bad. All they had to do was just get Chris Brown to resing it ,but they made such a cheap sounding jersey club beat and even though the og had those weird vocal effects it used them sparingly which made it special and they did it for the entire 2ne verse which just made it cheap. I really can't believe they commondified a UK and South African classic just to make that piece of garbage. I'm so salty about that especially since it could've been great since the three artists are so talented.
@@baddonkeyworld7254 but we have to separate the art from the artist, Shawn might still be racist towards Latinos, but his takes on this video are pretty good 👍🏻
Talking about Future not being respoble for the misogny he might spread to his fans from his music because misgyny is a really old concept is a hilarious argument, because it implies Kanye created anti-semitism or at the very least anti-semitism in rap.
@@RADIOACTIVEYOUTHBrother I’m saying, Shawn actually defended murder to shun Ye 😂😂😂 wtf is wrong with these people. These “moral high ground” guys are in reality the most obnoxious and pretentious people on the internet.
No, it just correctly acknowledges that latent misogyny and latent anti semitism are on VASTLY different levels. If the sort of insane shit Kanye has been saying were as mainstream as misogyny you'd have a point. As it stands, you're talking complete nonsense.
@@nozers not really it makes perfect sense why Fantano wouldn’t want to review this album, it’s trash and then to make it worse, Kanye fans IN THE THOUSANDS are coming for him on Twitter like it’s really that good. Probably sending threats and everything over an album
@@Someone_Unknown90 yeah that would make sense, IF HE DIDNT REVIEW HIS ALBUM. Fantano is legitimately a walking contradiction. Stays on good morals by saying he wouldn’t review it while simultaneously making a video reviewing the album. The guy has had just as big of a downfall as kanye, ever since some guy painted him as an alt right creator, he’s been trying desperately to rebuild his image. It’s sad really
@@nozers no it’s more like he’s trying to make sense of a senseless situation, and also his review wasn’t an actual review and more of a video explaining why the album is so trash it’s not worth reviewing. Half his video is just trashing Kanye’s actions as a person and the fans that blindly support him. And that’s the thing you can’t review this album properly without talking about the outside context. Also calling a music reviewer who reviews mostly hip hop albums a “alt right” creator is actually the dumbest thing I’ve heard today. That just doesn’t make sense, I think a lot of people hate genuine criticism from things they like and hating on Fantano is just coping.
26:30 This comment in the chat is so dumb, yes Anthony Fantano might have some anti-Semitic fans but he obviously does everything he can to not appeal to those people, where as Kanye has made openly anti Semitic statements.
@@malum9478that's why leftist targeting antisemitism as a most important thing is a lost cause. Powerful Israel government and Jewish organizations on a U.S./Israel paycheck are rightist/fascist leaning
Nah 2:20 Shawn is really goated for this take. When I brought up the issues I had with how my former friends had treated me, they immediately brought up my borderline and how I’m just having an episode and that I was being completely unreasonable and yeah they tried to gaslight me out of how I felt so knowing that it does in fact happen to other people makes me feel so much better about how I reacted and how I moved forward.
Famously, Chris Brown's critic ratings didn't drop after his controversy. I think its pretty normal for reviews to be soured by the artist. Its the same way Im not gonna work hard at my job and be a total jackass, and expect a positive review on my work despite that quality of output. People remember
People real quick to call out Antony Fantano and pick every word apart and in the same breath defend kanye's endless stream of bigotted bs. If anything Kanye should be held to a higher standard than Fantano. Yall sad hypocrits not taking shockingly f'ed up behavior seriously because you at one point felt something when you listened to his music. If you don't understand this you are part of the damage Ye is actively doing. Period.
To be fair, most people who are bipolar aren’t one of the 25 most famous humans in the world. I think the whole “I am Hitler” stuff and white supremacy stuff is his way of saying “nothing I say can stop me”. It’s kinda like how people say the most famous people have the weirdest kinks. Like only millionaires are having golden showers if you know what I mean. After a certain point, you run out of things that make you feel good when you can have anything you want in life. Kanye in 2005 was focused on getting to the top of music and fashion. By 2015, he felt he was getting there, but it wasn’t the same satisfaction with it due to constant stimulation. He needed something new. So his music shifted to releasing anything he wants (poopity whoop) music wise and fashion wise (releasing bland grey clothing with holes and stains for hundreds of dollars a pop). Now it’s 2024. He hasn’t gone anywhere and releasing more music isn’t increasing his power or influence. So, now he’s gonna do the same thing he did in other paths. He’s gonna say anything he wants knowing he’ll get support, in hopes that it also boosts his influence. His plans to run for President are real, if he lives for 20 more years then there’s gonna be a year he has a real shot and I think he knows that. Don’t believe me? Trump ran for President 4 times before he got elected. All his fans think he ran for the first time in 2016. Thats influence.
I 100 percent agree with Fantano stating the reason why he won't review the album, but he just looks like he's raging in the way he delivers this. Just say you don't care for Kanye's anything, and move on.
I will say he should’ve never streamed it, reviewed, or at least cut the stream off before he went on a rage fueled rant on live. Shawn had it right, don’t review this shit you’ll get hate from either fans or people who see you giving a platform for bigotry, and as a result of the hate you may even baby rage on live and in a RU-vid video towards minors still in development.
@@NachoLibreGOAT Thats not what Shawn said 💀💀💀 he literally said if you have a platform that it is your responsibility to push back against harmful rhetoric
@@NachoLibreGOAT its old bald men too plus why would fantano play fair when Kanye is a living piece of trash and would be better of locking himself in for the next 10 years
i hate when people act like fantano is just some guy on youtube like he doesn’t have massive influence himself. fantano helped launch careers, and also has a cult following. i just feel like this is all so performative. i understand disliking ye, but this man is parading around the fact he gave sexy red an 8/10 like he did something amazing for feminism. when realistically he just likes triggering weirdos online.
sexy red can get an 8, but someone like isaiah rashad can drop a near flawless album, all chill music, no bars about liking h*tler, and get no more than a 5. why can he critique our art for a decade, but no one can say anything about anthony because it’s his “opinion” . no if you post something publicly then people have the right to respond and say whatever they please
@@millieworld1012 they can argue about his opinion, but the way Ye stans did it was so bad faith and used little to no critical thinking to discuss it.
@@smaaron_j_46 kanye fans are toxic and annoying, but fantano gets more and more out of touch every year, i can’t say it isn’t deserved. he didn’t even listen to carti’s verse on carnival, which is quite literally the best part of that song, and a highlight of the album. he turned it off after 2 bars 😭 music critic not even listening to the music. i don’t think fantano should have a voice on modern hip hop.
@@millieworld1012 I mean, if people like Carti on Carnival, more power to them, but I honestly didn’t even know he was on the song til I opened up RU-vid lol. Probably because for one, the features are hidden, and two, I didn’t hear his iconic baby voice. Just loud, abrasive production and Kanye giving his most offensive verse yet 😂
The reaction was definitely towards the fans. If he doesn't like the album or dont wanna review it because of the stuff surrounding it; platform white supremacy is a better way to frame the optics of the review. The politics within the music ruins some of it, but to alienate a portion of his audience that just doesnt care for the political angle isnt smart imo. But i think there is a portion of Kanye's audience be coming uncomfortablely loud who i think the people upset at Fantano dont wanna be associated or grouped with.
@@prodigion1 Imma give 2 responses so it's not one long ass thing. 1. Fantano saying the album is un reviewable primarily because the artist is heavily putting his politics into the art, or the artist themselves being a questionable person comes off as hypocritical. He's reviewed People like Tom McDonald, and Killer Mike who spit hateful,ignorant and uninformed information and create bigoted people similar to Kanye. Like Shawn said although it's not to the same degree of outreach of someone like Kanye West it doesn't take away the fact that those artists are who they are . Also from the stream , and the timing of the review it seemed like Fantano didn't want to genuinely review the album. I'm not saying this is true,I'm explaining how he came off to some people.
@@prodigion1 2. Generalizing an audience of Kanye size to Nihilistic teenagers,Cultists, and White Supremacists.That literally Alienates a huge ,and probably the largest portion of people; who aren't attached to Kanye or his antics, don't notice even some of the bars fantano show cases , and just want to listen to the music. Like Fantano said there was a large portion of people who were just hip hop fans , but he's talking like that crowd suddenly merged or doesn't exist anymore. The implications that group doesn't exist anymore puts people in the situation where they are unfairly being associated with a group of people they don't align with, or they simply don't matter. Again I think most people aren't upset with Fantanos underlying message , but some things he said didn't come out well thought. He conveys this thought Better throughout the video;that Kanye is attracting ,and creates x types of fans.
@@Synical02 Thanks for the effort to respond. I'll say this: 1. I don't think that having reviewed a bad influence in the past makes you somehow morally obliged to review another bad influence. People are obsessed with this 'hypocrisy' but they're not even arguing against any of Fantano's takes or choosing a side - they're just arguing that his takes aren't consistent, which is not a valid counter-argument imo. 2. When he talks about Kanye fans, I think it's clear he means people that like Kanye, i.e. Kanye supporters, not people that listen to his music. After all, Fantano has enjoyed Kanye's music. Therefore I don't think he alienates anyone.
@@prodigion1 That's why I said I think many people aren't upset with his underlying Messages ,and what's he's trying to convey , just how he delivered it came off in a way that rubbed people the wrong way that gave off the idea he felt a certain way. Obviously with the context of his stream people understand the stream DEFINITELY set him off a little bit . But the point of his inconsistency is that it is a different argument; I don't think necessarily think he's obligated to review X bad person if he's stomached X bad person too. I think the unreviewable; It's just surprising to a lot of people because ,he's reviewed certain people like Tom for example who he despises and is harmful as well,but went through with it anyway so the assumption was he could stomach this too . I still am glad Fantano stands on his Morales and ideals even if he doesn't please everyone .
Fucking massive props to Shawn for being one of the few that recognize their platform is powerful, and that they have what is essentially a moral obligation to speak out on bullshit that could harm others, especially when it pertains to their field: music, in this case. I also had no idea (because it's his business and he was nice enough to share it) that Shawn has and helps a disabled friend like that. Lots of people in that position don't have friends or even family showing up for them like that. I don't know either of them, but I can probably assume that friend is extremely grateful and that Shawn has helped improve their quality of life in some way.
I don't agree with the misogyny point by Fantano. He constantly reviews rap music and NEVER complains about misogynistic lyrics. My guy hasn't said shit about Future, Lil Pump, Migos, Gucci Mane and tens of other rappers that say much worse things about women in their music.
People dont want to "platform" Kanye but will endlessly talk about how they dont want to "platform" Kanye. The ONLY reason I knew about Vultures dropping was because of the Fantano vid and now I keep hearing about it because this guy keeps popping up in my feed.
1. How the hell can you platform someone with an infinitely larger platform than you who gets covered pretty much everyday by the media for whatever reason. 2. Like Shawn said multiple times throughout the video because idiots like you keep bringing up this point and it’s that if you have a platform and morals and ethics (something kanye does not have), it makes sense and is completely necessary that you voice your opinion as well, if someone is hates racism yet has to wake up everyday constantly hearing that this one famous guy keeps saying and doing more racist stuff, would you still ignore it? 3. The people saying that melon is just “virtue signaling” and the he actually doesn’t give a single shit he’s just doing it for the money he’s going to get from all these videos are again incredibly stupid as the haters are the ones watching his videos giving him money anyway and even if it’s wrong, the same people complaining about this are the same people literally streaming Kanye’s music and giving him monetary gain, more of a monetary gain then what fantano will ever receive. The Kanye fanboys just need to accept they’re wrong with this one and anything and everything they say to go against fantano and defend Kanye is completely wrong and can be disproved instantly. I get it’s hard to accept that someone who used to be so great is now horrible but trust when you do your life will be so much better.
If someone has a bigger platform than you already, you're not 'platforming' them. You're punching up. Most people are not like you and only heard of Kayne's album because of Fantano. That's a rare case.
I still stand by separating the art from the artist. Its like people forget that there are other parts of the music that can be appreciated whether it the atmosphere it creates, the production, vocals flow etc. Absolutely, lyrically its not his best but its so evident when people are simply hating on the album due to the person and not the content.
Yes of course but fantano also makes a good point that kanye is bringing the problematic into the music, in the lyrics. Unless you explicitly ignore lyrics id find it pretty hard to look past it
@@niclinker619 he does but again that depends on how you choose to listen to your music. If you place a heavy emphasis on lyrics, then chances are you will be disappointed and even offended by kanyes album and even other albums that are lacking in the lyric department. My personal take is that if you're a critic, you're going into every album open minded and not just focusing on one element. I have listened to albums that had questionable lyrics, ideologies that I dont agree with at all, or just lack any lyrical substance. But if the other surrounding elements make up for it, then I don't have a problem
This isn't about whether or not you should separate the art from the artist. It's about the best way for Fantano to review (or not review) the album, given his power and influence as a music reviewer. It's about responsibly reviewing music that is intertwined with Kanye and his political ideas.
Y’all keep saying the same thing about Kanye over and over again. This is not going to change anyone’s opinion on the matter at this point it’s becoming redundant. If u truly believe all Kanye fans are bigots like fantano then what’s the point in trying to convince them. It’s ether they believe the shit Kanye says or they don’t. it’s been a year very few people going to change there mind at this point.
i completely changed my mind on kanye after hearing all the shit hes done. Its not just "you believe what kanye has said or not". A lot of ppl either disagree with kanye but think what hes said isnt going to affect anyone or anything, or they just dont care at all and just stay on their knees defending him because hes kanye west. Not all kanye west fans are bigots but if you genuinely support what hes done instead of just listening to his music youre defending bigotry.
@@goebor2422 A bigot is someone who stubbornly clings to or opposes an idea or viewpoint, without reason or justification. The words "racist", "anti-semite", "conspiracy theorist" and even the term "bigot" in its modern connotation are, themselves, bigoted rhetorical devices meant to pollute certain ideas and prevent them from entering public discourse.
my thing is, you cant be half-half on your opinions. you need to be able to stand firm and hold onto your resolve if you want to take sides. You cant say kanyes album is unreviewable, then listen to gangster rap and give them praise when they talk about a triple entendre about killing people, it just doesnt make sense to me.
A tweet saying “i dont want to rate the album due to kanye’s recent statements” wouldnt have gotten as much hate but the fact he just decided to moan and whinge about it on a video and talk down on people enjoying the music like some white saviour is what left a bitter taste for me
Then you didn’t watch the video, it’s not about not enjoying vultures because Kanye is a bad person it’s that a review of Kanye isn’t worth the time because Kanye’s fans aren’t listening to any critiques of him and Kanye’s detractors hate him
people like fantano end up being even more racist than kanye and they never notice it cause they think they can do no wrong and are protecting the poor little minorities with no privelage to him 😂
I don’t get the hate. Just let Anthony be a hater cause bro was clearly hating for the sake of it. His “review” was unprofessional and irrational. I love his content and watch him quite often but this “review” and his reaction was just different from the rest of his other stuff that I can tell he let his personal feelings get in the way. I honestly don’t understand why he feels that way since X was known to be a women beater and even after his death it was confirmed that he put his hands on his ex gf and yet melon did a review for both his posthumous albums. Plus he did do a brief retrospective on acid bath (a sludge metal band from Louisiana) and gave them their flowers despite their albums containing themes of rape, violence, and pedophilia so I just don’t understand why this album urks him so much when there have been much worse people and things in the music industry.
regardless of how fantano feels ab vultures, that album has some of the worst ye verses oat flow wise lyrics the way his vocals are mixed and mastered etc.. it’s a huge disappointment
@@stellar1252 absolutely not... have you heard only 2 albums this year? little simz EP alone washes this BS... half the beats sound like demos. shit's crazy
What's crazy to me is Shawn says Future and the like are not nearly big enough to be a root problem when it comes to other morally wrong things such as misogyny, murder and the like, and that other rappers/singers who have murdered and killed are not big enough to have an affect or change people's perspective on certain topics (which isn't true btw) but then says it's him and Fantanos responsibility to push back against Kayne because they have large platforms so essentially and he is one of the biggest artist in the world. So what I'm can infer is - Kanye is the root of Anti-semitism? It definitely hasn't been in inherent problem in the U.S and been openly a problem for a long time now - Murder isn't as accepted in society so no need to push back against it? - If you aren't as big as ye you don't need to be talked about? - You only push back against people if it's popular These are the arguments I heard, I know there are going to be dweebs bringing up nuance and the articulations of the situation but the reality is you either push back against everyone who has said or done something "bad" bad, or wrong or you don't talk about it at all and go back to making "unbiased" music reviews otherwise you are the definition of a hypocrite plain and simple.
didn't miss the point just addressing some problems I personally find with your and Fantanos arguments regarding the situation. Anyway love your content@@ShawnCeeLIVE
Rap as a genre was founded as an expression of the systemic struggles and adversity that black people faced. Things like murder, the over sexualization of women, and general crime of that nature is very present in rap because it’s the conditions that these artists grew up in. When you grew up in those areas, you probably joined a gang and yes probably killed people. That’s the experience that is forced upon black people. Things like anti semitism aren’t a product of a forced experience and instead are willingly taken on and learned, thus it’s not nearly as acceptable. I do however have a problem with homophobia in rap, and how it’s hand waved away as being a product of their time, but imo if an artist is a bigot, then they aren’t worth revering in any capacity. Or at the very least should be openly disavowed for their views until they change for the better. For example Nas made it a point to remove all the homophobic slurs from illmatic when he had last performed it live. Stuff like that I think makes it more acceptable to embrace their legacy in the genre, whereas as far as I know DMX never reconciled with his homophobic rhetoric in any capacity. The hardest point to reconcile though for me is how not just rap, but most genres degrade women regularly and it’s seen as okay. I’ll openly admit I’m hypocritical because I enjoy music that does degrade women, despite having a problem with it, but I would genuinely love to see that change in all music
I think generally when it comes to things like murder and misogyny in music, we should attack the systems that cause these problems and not the people who are victims of the system
I think the reason hate his video on Vultures so much is because he keeps saying that he doesn’t want to give Ye a platform but then immediately talks about how bad of a person he is like 2 videos later which inherently give Ye a platform
I think Fantano was way too morally invested in the terrible things Kanye was saying and too riled up by the annoying antics of Kanye fans to make a genuinely unbiased review like he normally does. I do think he was being too emotional and going at Kanye fans too but I think that for him, in particular, it was unreviewable. I’m gonna keep his opinion on the music, itself, in the back of my mind when I listen to the album but I do agree with his statements on Kanye and his fans
he called everyone that listens to ye a nihilistic teenager, nazi, or racist...those might be a percentage of his fans but it's not all of them by a far shot. it's a wild thing to believe and openly present as fact.
@@gourmetghost I get that not all Kanye fans are Nazis, nihilistic teens, or parasocial wierdos but every Kanye fan I’ve had the displeasure of conversing with (at least online) has been either a nihilistic teen or a parasocial weirdo (I’ve yet to meet a nazi). As someone who is a genuine hip-hop head, but doesn’t have an emotional connection or investment in Kanye or his previous work, It’s impossible to talk about nuance and genuinely criticize kanye and his music without being labeled a hater or trying to be woke
@@eddiecampos they’re the brand new equivalent of Eminem stans. Just obnoxious, angsty teens that think they know what music is and shouldn’t be criticized
"Nobody is forcing him to review this." Sure, not literally, but how do you think this would go if he hadn´t said anything at all? Don´t you think that people are going to start to ask questions?
youre a music reviewer either review the music or dont make a video but dont try to cash in on the hype anyways with some weird video where you just insult people for liking an album youre 38 years old
19:00 To add to this, it's also insanely discriminatory to compare a billionaire turned nazi to someone that dealt drugs while being poor. Context here is extremely important like you said. Nobody, sane, is saying murder and drugdealing is good, there are people that agree with Kanye though.
Thanks for this video Shawn. It was refreshing to see someone break this all down in a calm and clear headed way without diminishing the point Anthony was trying to make. I think he sometimes gets lost in waves of negative discourse cause of the sheer volume of his audience and how young (and devoted to Kanye) they are. It makes it hard to back him when in all honesty his reaction to the record was more than fair, as is telling Kanye to get lost too
it sucks how people just attack fantano instead of have actually criticism, just saying how fantano is insane cuz his wife left him or some shit or just calling him a jew like i feel like that just makes the kanye fans look even worse
Lets be honest, the album wasn’t great. It doesn’t change the fact that hes got 4/5 solid tracks on there that will be appreciated more as the years go on. But an albums an album and it must be judged as a whole, not a few tracks. Hopefully the second volume is better
I surprisingly enjoyed it but lyrically it’s pretty fucking bad. I’m a carti fan (and fan of other similar artists) so I don’t generally care about lyrics that much, especially when I was going into the album aware that it was going to be more club oriented and shit, but man some of these lyrics are hard to ignore with how wack they are
If its unreviewable dont call the video a review. Fantano is such a narcissist. You wasted my time with a bs rant because you think what you have to say is "so important".
In the first 5 seconds he called the album unreviewable. If you continued to listen to the rant after that with the expectation that there would be a review, you wasted your own time. Then you decided to watch this review of the not-review like some how it was a more productive use of your time. I think the problem here is you.
So basically its the job of the music listener to hyperanalize the artist they're listening to, or don't listen to the music whatsoever because it would thus lead to supporting someone that may have a negative agenda? Welp ggs, can't enjoy music anymore.
When you say Jews are killing Palestinians it sounds kinda… weird. You could say the IDF is commiting genocide against the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank… but not group all Jews together…
It’s crazy how all y’all will say this and that about how Kanye needs help and his fanbase isn’t helping, but then hype and listen to artist who speak about gangbanging and that’s cool and normal Shawn literally reviews 21 savage. Someone who raps about shooting people talk about ethics and health lol. Shawn is low-key boring bro yeah Kanye needs help but not more than other people, that y’all listen too! Just because the other artists can act “normally” lol.
Brother. Kanye also raps about the same, i remind you kanye downgrades woman, is racist, is antisemitist, he has more than just a few songs that show that he might be a pedo. The point is not going out the drawn line between being like 21 savage and being a literally 50 year old insane man trying to be cool acting mysterious and doing bad things. Kanye is not only a married 50 year old man, he has also 3 childs and he should chill down.
Stop acting like yall want morallly consistent musicians why demanded such an odd request? Policing artists is unreasonable compared to just choosing who's art you personally enjoy.
Shawn , I respect your opinion so much. As a black man in this society, I believe racism towards black ppl is culturally accepted. I feel like a point Ye was trying to make with a lot of that was, “how come their feelings matter more than ours”…I actually thought Ye brought up some valid points…. Ye said he loves Hitler, I feel like that’s equivalent to a blk persons everyday. Our last names come from slave owners, we walk by statues of slave owners, go to schools named after them. America constantly reminds us of how much they love our “Hitler”.
Ye also said that slavery was a choice. Even if that’s what Kanye means when he brings up Hitler, compares himself to Hitler, etc., he’s already openly denounced what our ancestors have been through so I don’t see how he can get benefit of the doubt.
@@BlkStar99 you know… there were a lot of slave rebellions in the 1800’s….. they were were all stopped by black ppl, being afraid of the repercussions (those same slaves later were hung anyway)…so honestly , it was a choice for some
@@topfloorslimey An apology is not sth that immediately means you are truly sorry for your actions and should be forgiven though. But anyways, nothing against ppl that still listen to Kanye
@@gourmetghost like damn I’ve been dealing with racism my whole life but this is od like we still givin Morgan wallen a career and he ain’t apologize cuz nobody cares
Nah you don’t have to talk about Kanye’s actions when speaking on the music. Also getting upset over Kanye saying he has a preference while also being cool listening to people talk about ending other people is peak cringe.
Yeah because somehow Ye’s bipolar autistic rants are more harmful than an entire genre being promoted to endorse generational drug abuse and criminal activity. It really is amazing the levels of cognitive dissonance it takes to hate Ye when his mission is light.
