Pritch, the front of the Canyon Speedmax is an integrated water bottle. And that Canyon Speedmax was used by Jan Frodeno at Ironman World Champs last year, as well as Lionel Sanders, so it's fast. The Specialized Shiv Disc fairing on the back is also a water/ liquid reservoir, and the tubing goes through the frame to a straw that comes out of the stem. The Ventum also has a 1.8 litre water bottle built into the top tube frame. Us Triathletes need lots of nutrition for our 112 mile non-stop, non-drafting Bike leg.
2 accounts, use the meet up where you can only see those in your meet up. Set one off at your 360W steady and then get the other one on his wheel, from there you can tweak the second one's output up and down to see what power will hold the wheel, if there's a range of powers that will hold the wheel in the sticky draft... Then change the output of the front rider and do the same, is it a percentage power saving you get for in the draft? Is it a constant W/KG saving in the draft? I think to get the comparison in the test that you're asking for you'll need to work out what the front guy would have to output when the rear guy is keeping his steady 360W then you're keeping the power output's steady for comparison purposes. But... I'd say do it on tempus fugit first time round until you get some answers there but then take it up a hill, does the saving change on the hill? You may have to sit and keep altering front guy's power for the figure 8 lap depending on up hill, down hill etc to keep him just in front of the steady 360W
Chris slacking on the avatar change in the top right... 5:03 should be the Shiv Disc and 6:25 should be the P5X, but is still the Felt. Just like to wind you up 😂 All your videos are great 👍🏻
What's your aim? If it's a race, then roadbike and drafting will get you to the bottom of the climb faster anyway. If it's a TT, then go full aero TT bike - shiv disk makes up more ground leading up to the climb, than it loses up the hill from my experience.
@@richardbecton6879 I did the alp in erg mode, same avg watts. The TT bike with 808s vs tarmac pro and lightweights I think but it could have been the 808s. 224 watts at 80kgs, I did 1:07:46. The TT bike was only 1min 27 seconds slower. And this was in general game play, so the road bike had some drafting effect from passing riders. Even if it was the 808s I used, and time could be made with the lightweights, that's a very small time saving over the climb of the TT course. So if it's purely a TT event, I'd put my house on the TT being far faster.
Another interesting video Chris. Why not use the new meetups feature to test the draft? Set up two bots with your standard power/weight round your usual course. The might keep swapping positions but I'm sure it would average out. Or if you know the approx. draft gain percentage, set the lead bike to that above your baseline and let the second bot suck his wheel?
8:30 well let's see that draft comes to play... one thing got me wonder... is this is the faster bike comming from the TT bikes ... can the top 2 or 3 beat the road bikes as well? great vid CP.
a quick calculation pegs the road bike at needing approximately 395w of average power to match the result of the TT bike for the same rider conditions. my guess is that a rider purely drafting and not pulling will need about 285w
To calculate how many watts you save by drafting you could set up one rider at a set wattage then another behind, keep reducing their wattage until they drop of the back?
With some of the road bikes being faster on the climbs but slower overall (than other road bikes) wouldn’t this give you can advantage in a race? Being on a flat or downhill you can get ‘towed’ by the group and be a few seconds faster on a climb with less draft, in most race situations 2 seconds on a climb could mean staying with the pack or being dropped off the back, would be interesting to see the road bikes in a pack formation to simulate a race, and to see how much quicker they are when drafting.
Set up two riders on one course offline with one account being host of a private bike ride and the second account joining. Have the host on a P5x doing the 360 watts whilst the road bike account drafts, note the NP of the drafting road bike. Then have the road bike do the same course but on their own holding 360 watts. If the delta in watts to draft and non draft is greater than the delta in time between drafting and non draft then drafting is the way to go. This would be more difficult to do on a hilly course so you'd be better off on a flat course, makes sense as this is where you'll see more TT bikes.
Can’t you use several user’s in a meetup without others in the world and then set the avatars into auto mode like you normally do for these tests? That way the one on the front can go slightly harder than the one that’s supposed to draft.
use a meet up and run the test the same way only one rider would be set up and the other rider would just follow but try it in meet up , you would need two systems running swift
I'd bet the roadbike will easily sit on with the draft. I often wait for strong TT riders (ant+ cheats) on tempus fcukit doing 5+wkg and can sit on them at well 3-4wkg.
You can test the bikes in isolation if you use meetup race with a friend, or 2 or as many as you want. Your group of friends will be the only ones on Zwift 👍
@@chrispritch ahhhh! What about setting the front bike at a given watts and then just have people draft behind it? I'm sure you've thought of everything already. Just throwing my 2 cents in there. Love your channel though 👍
What I have always said does the fastest bikes make any difference when in a blob, same with wheels. And if there is a difference is it worth worrying about in for a race. I've been running the lightweight wheels and a Cannondale CAAD 12 for the last 3 Tour For All races and personally don't think it made much of a difference compared to the the optimal setup for each race.
At the end raw power would be most important. But if you have same power as your opponent, best setup could give you few seconds faster (unless you use mountain bike on time trial.... haha). In real world its difficult to feel the difference but in controlled environment you could see the number.
