That’s the idea in a fanfic I’m writing, he is permanently imprinted on the force and is able to rebuild himself physically by the time of the sequels. Rey and the OC’s essentially become the Belmonts to Vitiate’s Dracula
@@jakobrenner2230 Agreed, master and apprentice both manipulated. In the end, I would have liked to see him here assist in putting an end to the nightmare that cost him and Revan so much.
7:59 Meanwhile, Palpatine will eventually give it the old college try to outdo Tenebre. And with either timeline, it’s certainly not for a lack of effort that he’ll come up short all the same.
It was originally supposed to end like this with the ghosts of the past Jedi all appearing and giving Rey their power to defeat Sidious, instead we only got some voices thanks to Kathleen Kennedy ( she even cut out all Anakin scenes with Hayden Christensen)
@@Greekhalo2010 Tbf even that idea wouldn't have been good enough to save the story. Palpatine returning to die within the same movie was far too cheap
@@Greekhalo2010 Kathleen Kennedy does not eliminate anything, that scene was eliminated by the members of the story group who know this universe well and know that not all Jedi transform into force spirits after death, to acquire that form a Jedi needs special training, even Lucas introduces this concept at the end of Episode III and explains it in detail in The Clone Wars series.
I still consider his death in kotet to be his real final death since that was his spirt, this was just a shattered memory of himself, But I really loved the ending where all those people show up. It brought back so many memory's of when I met them earlier in the story.
I think of it same way I think of rise of Skywalker. Basically digging up the corpse and burning. They were defeated before bow let's make sure they cant come back
Well to be honest. It is long known that the Sith Emperor has achieved immortality. One way or another. And Tenebrae who lived in an era where rituals, magic and alchemy were THE most used things and not just mastery of the force abilities. He survived without a body when he was killed by Jedi Knight. He survived without body even after Ziost and then went to Valkorion. We destroyed him in our mind but then again he still lived even while not in our body. I still think Valkrion still just showed to us rather than living in us. He was just scared when we throw our lives away because he needed us. Also, a reason why he could show up to Senya or to Vaylin. Now we have destroyed Tenebrae who has ritual carved into his body and God knows what else the ritual can do. It kept his Tenebrae spirit intact while other kept changing bodies and evolving into Valkorion. The reason why he was angry at him and at Vitiate. So this is not just pulling someone long dead card but pulling character that just can't die one way or another. And for all we know he can now be hiding in body of a farmer. Like he said. He can be anyone. Farmer or craftsman. Time is nothing to him. Also, I think we are still waiting for this quote to come to life: "Remember me when you Alliance burns to ash." Which can be related to us making a mistake destroying him or he will come back and end the entire alliance and lives of those we love. Or that he and only he had the power to stop Alliance from crumbling. Just like Vader and Palpatine and power to save Padme.
@@balrok9959 It just the way he acted in Satels mind, He doesn't recognize my sith warrior who was his personal enforcer a few years back and he says it himself, that he learned about recent events through Satels memories. Tenebrae here was just his last save file. Valkorion was the peak of all his power and knowledge that he has gathered through out his life.
Balrok99 well in EU lore it's said that his presence finally disappeared from the Galaxy around ~60 BBY. So yeah, my manz was still out there. But instead of trying to manipulate people and be defeated once more, he just settled down somewhere or did whatever he wanted to that wouldn't gather much attention to anyone for the next 3 millennia...
Vitiate literally completely overpowered Revan and melted his face into his mask while he was calling on both sides of the force at the same time. No, “Revan Reborn” was nothing to Vitiate.
@@ieatmyveggiez5029 NICE TRY kid. I VERY clearly have what the fuck are you even talking about. YOU clearly haven’t read it. Vitiate ABSOLUTELY melted Revan’s face into his damn mask you blatant fanboy. He completely overpowered him. Whether or not Scourge betrayed them or not he was fucked either way. That was the whole POINT, he NEEDED Meetra Surik’s help to even have a chance to defeat him you’re incompetent. Revan is nothing compared to Vitiate sit back down fanboy.
If you think about it, this is the true ending to the KOTOR “trilogy”. Revan returned. Meetra returned. MC using Malek’s death quote. It all finally came together for this one moment.
I love this final, final ending for him. 'Cos my current laptop can't really handle SWTOR, I decided (after practically being raised on the kotor games, the Revan novel and a few other comics and things) to just pore over all the lore of the Emperor and his story and the emotions oh god Seeing everyone is just such a powerful moment for me, particularly Revan and Surik. Revan was always, to me, a favourite character but Surik's fate at the hands of Scourge hit me like a truck and I hated Scourge for a while afterward (though her being a force ghost for a while to help Revan provides some solace) I think of Vitiate as being the ultimate big bad of the Old Republic era and this takedown of him was, for me, so satisfying and epic. Just the sheer amount of emotion imagining every game, comic, novel, etc has led to this. The death of this man who's been alive since the Great Hyperspace Wars and has been influencing events in the galaxy to some degree as far back as manipulating Mandalore the Ultimate into starting the Mandalorian Wars, which is what ultimately pushed Revan (and by extension, Surik, Malak, and so many more) to do what they did. I'm sorry, I feel like I've gone on quite an overflow of words here. I just get so emotional at this. The Old Republic has always been my favourite era of star wars and this feels like the end of the story that I've been following on and off since I was a kid. I'm sure more story will still come. But this just has such finality to it for me. A fair few overarching stories in star wars haven't had an end that I've resonated with so much and so I'm glad this one did. Edit: Oh, and, slight turn of theme, but do my ears deceive me or is that Kotor 2 music playing around the start there? (sorry, am too lazy to timestamp) 'Cos I think it is and that just makes it better
@Moss Alyssa Marr and Satele: Darth Vitiate is the most dangerous and powerful and destructive being in the universe. Abeloth: Hold my pool of knowledge and font of power.
Would explain so much about Snoke. His shattered form could be result of being filled with so much Dark Force to the point where every new body started to fall apart after few years. The plot could be about him wanting to make Ben a perfect vessel for himself and ultimately succeeding and coming back one final time, this time with a body that is resilient enough to handle his Dark Side forever, the Knights of Ren could have been other people that he thought could handle it, but ultimately were not enough, but made them his knights. The plot about him could have been far more complex too, about him learning about how meaningless this search for power is and decided to come back to go away, explore other galaxies, not be bothered by anything. Just leave the Galaxy in state of total "peace" created by his First Order.
I am so happy they gave Vitiate an updated design for this. It would have been a bit weird if he stood next to Tenebrae and Valkorion in those plain, low rez robes he had on in the Knight storyline
In the very end Tenebrae was nothing more than a memory. Clinging desperately like a hunting ghost to that which he stole from his countless victims, Life. Now the very power he used to sustain himself and even claimed mastery over became his undoing by seeking what it’s always sought in every era, Balance…
I like the way all three avatars die here. Kinda feels weird though that Valkorion was the first to go, since out of these three he seems to be the most powerful avatar of the three. Here it kinda feels like the three die from weakest to strongest, and if that’s true then Valkorion is the weakest avatar, Vitiate is the second strongest avatar, and Tenebrae being the most powerful.
I think that's pretty much the he case Valkorion being the weakest and Tenebrae the strongest. If i'm not wrong the Jedi Knight managed to beat Vitiate because he was weakened from his attempt at absorbing worlds and the MC in SWTOR never faced the full might of Tenebrae in his Pureblood Sith body, only Revan, Meetra and Scourge did it, explaining why we only face a body controlled by the Emperor when playing the Jedi Knight, because when facing Revan he met his first equal
@@desolatortrooper7196 Well we do know that Tenebrae is the real original body of the Emperor with him transferring his essence into both Vitiate and Valkorion who were both different vessels.
I think it's more like... Latest avatar to Earliest. Valkorion was his final avatar, Vitiate was when he was Emperor, and Tenebrae was his first, true self.
Bioware: „Don’t worry, he‘s dead for real this Time!“ Me: Oh good, thank God that‘s finally ov-.. Bioware 2025: „Somehow Palpatine is Tenebrae“ Me:….MOTHERFU-!
@@treystroeder5506 I mean the Ghost of Darth Bane appeared to Yoda, and Revan was going to appear as well, soooo... It's not too far fetched... And it seems Palpatine has the same habit of coming back
I mean that would be great for continuity bc Palpatine was always stated to be the most powerful Sith ever and I always found that odd bc Tenebrae obviously demonstrated much more power than Palpatine
I spent all the time of my isolation in the force to meditate. I realized that then it was too early to absorb all the force in the universe, through the very small mistakes that my enemies made to defeat me in that time I came out of my oblivion and now I'm ten times more powerful than before. your strinings are now truly insignificant, let your death be the same.
They defeated the "most evil and destructive being in history"? I dunno about that -- Kathleen Kennedy is still ruining the Star Wars franchise as we speak.
@@randomcenturion7264 Never stated in lore, and Palpatine was able to crawl out of it. It took all of the Jedi ever to live and living to seal him away for eternity. (Dark Empire Comics)
Never played these games or had and idea about the characters of Star wars outside the films, then last week I randomly stumbled upon CivilizationEx Complete History of Reven lore. WOW! I was blown away by how good Reven and Vitiate are, By far my fav Characters in the Star Wars Universe. Nothing I've seen in the films comes close to the power these 2 possess - Reven was everything Anakin/Vader should've been, the story in that Lore vid was way better than the story of the films that it makes me sad and angry they didn't make that story the focus of the films instead, or the last 3 films at least as we didn't need any of those story wise and could of used those to launch a new set of trilogies based on the Old Republic as the Characters, Stories and scope was far greater in those times, instead they give us Rogue One, Solo and a boring Mandalorian TV show.
4:48 I've got to ask, did you use arcann customization 2? Became Satele mentioned arcann and senya going back to odessen meaning they're alive but I see this appearance which is seen when he dies
@Specter Marr and Satele: Darth Vitiate is the most dangerous and powerful and destructive being in the universe. Abeloth: Hold my pool of knowledge and font of power.
@@NefariousSpecter Vitiate is more evil but Abeloth is probably more powerful. He'd have been blasted into oblivion if he'd been there when she nuked kesh city with what was described as "nearly inconceivable amounts" of Force energy.
@@Valkyraw Abeloth is too powerful. We know from what happened on kesh. She released "nearly inconcievable" amounts of force energy. Ironically though, despite being the ultimate villain of star wars she's actually less evil than he is.
Considering _The World Between Worlds_ is a thing now in Disney Canon, and it establishes a sort of greater Star Wars multiverse, anyone else expecting The Emperor to try and pull a fast one and personally make the jump from legends to canon, legends history fully intact?
I can't wait for the good jedi master Palpatine of earth-87 to visit the main timeline and implore Luke to help him against the evil Yoda of earth-90 from conquering other universes
@@EternalEmperorofZakuul _Star War: What If…._ That actually sounds like a show that not only can reasonably exist but would ABSOLUTELY make bank, especially since the idea was always popular enough ever since the prequel trilogy wrapped up.
I wish it could have been a real expansion like KOTFE/KOTET, but I liked the way Tenebrae finally goes out, it is a rip off of Endgame but I thought it was a satisfying why to end Tenebrae’s story.
Antany Baines in EU lore, his presence doesn't leave the galaxy till ~60 BBY. He might not have had a corporeal firm anymore (I think) but he was still out there just existing. After this defeat, I'm sure he realized if his spirit takes anymore damage it will truly be destroyed forever and fall into chaos...
Untill he comes back as the main antagonist in the next star wars trilogy. ( I hope at least.) I'd actually like it if they make it that he truly is immortal and he has to be defeated every few millennia by the most powerful warriors at the time.
I am very confused. I just saw this cutscene out of the blue with no explanation. So I know that all three of those Sith Lords are one person but how are 3 of them living at the same time? Is vitiate just controlling all 3 or something? Or is it just the same dude in 3 bodies
Essentially, long before the events of SWTOR and even the KotOR games, after taking the form of Vitiate, Tenebrae performed some kind of ritual on his now-discarded, original Sith Pureblooded body (the red guy shown in this cutscene) that imbued it with a fragment of his soul, kept dormant. It was a sort of backup system in the event he perished in one of his other bodies and his spirit was unable to take over a new one, which is what happened when we struck down his spirit at the end of KotET. Kira and Scourge had uncovered and destroyed Tenebrae’s original body, but all that did was release some kind of plague that infected them and anyone else who tried to help them, the latter being Satele Shan and her new students. Kira and Scourge were able to overcome its effects because of their connection to Tenebrae, but Shan and the students weren’t so fortunate. It turns out that fragment of his soul Tenebrae had imbued into the body dissolved into the plague, and it was infesting the minds of those unable to resist. The events of this update in-game are essentially the player characters teaming up with Kira and Scourge to go into the mindscape of Shan to confront and destroy this echo of Tenebrae for good before he can re-manifest into the physical galaxy.
I don't give a shit what anyone says, Revan should have had the final kill on the emperor for all the hell he went through. He should have sacrificed himself for the win.
The power of all the people he manipulated, betrayed, and murdered combined their power to destroy his last vestiges. In the end, it was too much even for him to overcome.
It’s sort of a splintered consciousness type thing because at times they act like separate people but other times carries out an entire conversation across his 3 variations
