The Forgotten Hive Fleet - 40K Theories 

Wait you really don't think that's exactly what he did? I bet he even pulled out the "Father" kraken 50 times the size of his boat and said "Nah, too small" and chucked the confused beast back into water.

it is ALSO what the norse god THOR did, when he caught the midgard serpent. so it might be inspired by that.

But still wearing his power armor

Im just happy i wasn't the only one with that visual in mind

Brutalyte616 that explains how they attack from diffrent places. They were passing the galaxy because they haven’t found any notable life because of Necrons sleeping in Tombs. Then Astronomicon lit up and become a light bulb attaracing Tyranids.

@@batuhangocer6642 Actually that is explained by the Hive Mind coordinating a pincer maneuver, entering the Milky Way from several angles within the same relative timeframe.

Or they were cubstomped by the Old Ones and Necrons during the War in Heaven.

@holysoks1 Actually that's to their benefit. Conflict between Hive Fleets bolsters the survivors and allows them to recuperate virtually all losses on both sides, consolidating as a single larger Hive Fleet with the genetic information and biomass of defeated foes, as well as data collected from enemies that have posed enough of a challenge to send the Hive Fleet off course into the path of another. It's essentially the Tyranid equivalent of war games, only death has little consequence to them, so they can afford to go all-out. The Hive Mind could just have them all cooperate instead of acting like animals, but this hands-off Darwinian approach ensures that Tyranids do not stagnate and keeps them ready when the overarching Hive Mind isn't actively directing them, and potentially allows something greater than the current Hive Mind to develop; if a Hive Fleet went rogue and managed to subsume the rest of the Tyranids, it would result in an even more effective superpredator that would continue to perpetuate the Tyranid species. And each individual Hive Fleet does have different doctrines, with some even cultivating Tyranid Agri-Worlds behind the advancing forces, presumably to ensure a slow but constant stream of biomass.

That makes far more sense than it should

can verify, im fighting a loosing battle against a trygon

So that’s why they lost against „Emus“ Thanks for my new headcannon

@@hazel5092 no the emus are the only things holding the great devour at bay

@@Epic_747 that is something A GENE STEALER WOULD SAY BROTHER BARACHIAL GET THE HEAVY FLAMER

That is what I came to conclude, they weren't Tyranids. But the Tyranids had used them as genetic material and had used the bio-morph weapons to morph themselves as they were biological in nature and could be assimilated genetically.

SilvaDreams that's the issue with analyzing a highly adaptive species aint it? If the Nids would consume the milky way and let's say humans and orks would flee to another galaxy (let's say there is one not already consumed) - they would share a genetic profile with the Nids on their heels cause the Nids consumed heaps of them. A shared profile proofs nothing - you could be a form of Nid OR they just ate enough of your species.

I mostly agree. The only difference would be, well, they heard how manly Leman Russ was. They just had to take a gander, for none were more manly then they, in their galaxy. They show up and they find SANTA! His bag is full of huzzah, and his hands are itchy to punch holiday cheer!

Or perhaps the Zoats created the Tyranids and were being destroyed by their own creation.

@@spencerschaepman7239 I think the space bugs were kinda a control/alt/delete button for the old space gods. They can salvage the genetics from the bugs and revive anything they ate. Either that or it’s a galaxy sized multi-celled organism and humanity got unlucky. It could have even been made by some other god like creationist species for all we know.

I mean it’s not the worst idea, that and sending them into the warp sound like good ideas. Creating a black whole near their heart/brain/main mass was another fun idea I heard about.

@@RomanvonUngernSternbergnrmfvus "I got pissed at the bug nest in my backyard so I sent those retards back to the War in Heaven." -Local Necron Overlord

@@DISTurbedwaffle918 now that’s funny, they came to this galaxy thinking it was a all you can eat Buffett and it turned out to be space Brazil/Detroit and then to top off they get sent back in time to a point in space brazil/Detroit’s history that was somehow even worse is even funnier. People fear the space bugs when they don’t realize the space bugs just got told “welcome to the rice fields” aka “if you think orks are bad just wait till you meet the krok” I honestly almost feel bad for them . . . Almost

@@RomanvonUngernSternbergnrmfvus I'd like to see Tyranids fighting the C'Tan prior to their shattering.

Filthy Zeno your only giving us target practice. Lots and lots and lots of fast moving razor sharp target practice

Hive mind- 'I'm never eating orks again'

Yes you killed my great great great grandmother

Hive Mind: Dude, where's my Bio-Ship?

Basilhs Mpikas and wasn't that also a necron world?

I don't recall anything about necrons but I has been a long time so I cant be sure.

My mistake as weldonwin pointed out bellow..It was the last ditch..anyway my point was that there is a mention of hive ships roaming the gallaxy even before the great crusade.

True. The planet they were on was called Nusquam Fundumentibus. Cain had originally been given credit for stopping an Orc invasion some decades before. He returned to deal with a secondary outbreak of Orcs with the Valhallan 597th. His transport crashed on the ice planet and thawed out Tyranids that had been frozen in the the ice which then proceeded to wake and revive others so trapped. According to the Imperium's records first official contact with the Tyranids was in 745.M41, while the Ordo Xenos records suggest contact with Tyranid bio-forms as far back as M35. But the Hive Ship fragment that was found on Nusquam according to Magos Izembard has been there for at least a thousand years longer. So Tyranids have been in the galaxy far longer than anticipated.

they were some native creatures eating throught ice (not that lethal) the necrons on the same world+orks another story

MY LEVIS

And selling the jeans to flayers

This would kill canada as they live in Jean Jackets

But who is the pet? The Lictor or the Inquisitor?

Will Rogers That sounds a awful lot like something directly from "Humans are Space Orcs". Eldar 1: "So you are telling me that a human managed to SEVERE a Carnifex from the Hive Mind and then TAMED it? You must be joking! There is no way to tame a Tyranid!" Eldar 2: "I'm not joking! And said human uses it into battle!" Eldar 1: "I now understand why our Empire at its golden age lost against them..."

Honestly, why not just make an artificial hive-mind and forcefully link rogue Tyranids to it, thus gaining control of it? No need for risking an attempt at taming lost Tyranids.

@@therexyogaming I don’t trust anything that powerful tbh unless it’s big E himself and he is sadly busy, it’s grim derp where we have super space marines instead of painful and costly evolutions of the raptor project. Go look at how they fuel warp engines.

I believe that the Kraken of Fenris that fought Leman Russ appears to parallel the story of Thor fighting Jörmungandr. Thor first fought the creature during a fishing trip.

Out of curiosity, the description you provided for the Zoat hivefleet ships reminded me of www.angelfire.com/games2/warpspawn/WHF.png Would that be close to what they would look like?

And Leman went fishing for Kraken too. But Thor did not threw Jormungandr back into the sea - his scared shipmate cut the fishing line. The emperor almost getting killed by Horus Lupercal primarch of the Lunar Wolfs resembles the story from the Edda when the Fenriswulf fights and kills Odin, the chief god before getting killed as well. Artwork depicting Big E on the golden throne heavily reminds me on Odin, the crippled god sitting on a throne in contemplation while his raven collect intel and whisper knowledge to he humans.

Many tabletop players agree tyrranid inter-fleet hostility is much like the inter-colony hostility between ant colonies. Even though they are the same species, each drone is strictly loyal to their respective queen (norn queen in the case of tyranids).

Was it the "Last Ditch" or the "Caves of Ice"?

It was The Greater Good, which is a follow one from The Last Ditch, because it featured the remains of a dead Hiveship that was killed at the end of The last Ditch. The caves of Ice I believe had Cain fighting Orks and Necrons

Probably yes..my mistake

Eldaari, humans, orks are all capable of interspecies warfare. Why not Nids?

I'm kitbashing a Venator Gang for Necromunda, and one of my champions is a Zoat that uses heavy weapons.

Fucking Horus!

@@KallenMalefic We all know it was really Erebus.

Self-imposed handicap.

Internet Zen Master space aids

imperfect strain, not good enough

MirrorMajishion Can improve. Will give back; better.

They got reabsorbed. That's why in the codex you get the Ymgarl bio artifact.

Rebellion against Nids with Jeanstealers (remember, the pant thieves are a "new" human genetic basis nid species and not exactly fully integrated into the swarm) which results in the complete Leviathan fleet entering the Milky Way.

Brandon Aughtman The Zoat were literally tyranid agents imo. They tried pulling a genestealer by trying to intergrate themselves inside of imperial space/society since the imp is the largest threat to the tyranids military wise and when they were refused they tried doing as much damage as possible.

Not sure, but it would make an interesting video topic to consider.

No cause that happened 64 Million years ago and several changed into birds, so they didnt realy go extinct.

Spacefrisian actually smartass, it was between 64-66 million years ago. Though some did evolve into birds, over 95% of land animals went extinct. Anything over about 10 pounds died out. That's why it's called the great KT extinction, not the KT evolution revolution. And since we're talking about a period of time that no human was around to record in detail exact date/time groups, and it's a fictional universe, I would recommend not being such an arrogant ass.

michael howell Lmao youre a dopey sluy

They didn't appear 65 million years ago, they went to sleep 65 million years ago

the whole bird to dinosaur thing i iffy at best, after all the oldest bird is older than the oldest brd-like dinosaur, in other words dinosaurs evolved similar traits to birds after birds had already evolved. not to mention bird lungs and lizard lungs are too dissimilar that many scientists argue they would have to evlove alot earlier if its possible at all (some going as far as to say that birds need to have their own evolutionary tree going back to fish due to how different bird lng systems are). also no dinosaur has been proven to have feathers, the closest thing is 'proto-feathers' which are structurally more similar to hairs than anthing else.

IMO, combining old and modern fluff (nids know of the warp/warp knows of nids, nids bend gravity to travel but dont have a problem traveling in the warp if sent there by another party) to make the "small sections of nids from the future that were sent into the warp got spit out by chaos back in time" explanation seems like the best option to both have actual nid ships and swarms around long pre M39~M40 in weird locations while also not having to deal with "but why didnt the rest of them come along to nom up the galaxy back then"?

Was just pulling from a Black Library novel, and if I am not mistaken, it is canon. They don't say how they got there, only that they were there. Also, while it may not count for much, the 'nids of Nusquam Fundementabis, the ice world from "The Last Ditch," are from a previously unknown hive fleet with a unique color scheme and a hive ship entombed in ice. Possibly more than one if the world is unlucky. Suggests one of two things, 1) these tyranids did get "displaced" from their original fleet via the method you described. Or 2) they never left in the first place. I had heard a theory that the 'nids are basically a creation of the Old Ones gone completely nuts, much like the Orks, and were sent out from the galaxy during the War in Heaven. Only to be drawn back by the Beacon. Its possible with the second theory, that during the War, this group of 'nids was left in this galaxy and eventually drifted to Nusquam and became entombed in ice. Or during the war, the 'nids were flash frozen by some unknown weapon (there were tens of thousands of different bioforms already deployed on the surface, and when freed of the ice, began to dig up their kin. Possible hint of fight on Nusquam but nothing beyond circumstantial evidence to prove it.) Edit: another possibility is that the vast majority of 'nids were displaced outside of the galaxy while a few scattered groups were for some reason, not and continued drifting.

@@zachrich7359 It is canon as far as I'm concerned, what is more interesting is how the cortical node can be used to jam hive mind communications because this would point to the different hive fleets not only being able to interfere with each others communications but also giving an explanation to why they tend to fight amongst themselves when in close proximity. Also Cain meeting the Death Korps of Krieg makes these two my favorite books in the whole series.

Yeah, I had a similar assumption. The Devil, Kraken and other similar creatures were just advance scouts sent super far ahead of the rest of the Hive Fleets. Interestingly enough I also think that most/all of the Death Worlds in the Milky Way are the way they are because of Tyranid influence. Tyranid micro organisms landing on a world and altering the flora and fauna on a genetic level in order to survive being isolated from the Hive Fleets.

Because then they'll still continue being assfucked by Old Ones. So unless you send entirety of Necron race to help Necrontyr wreck Old Ones without C'tan it's not going to happen. And if it does it means Necrontyr will not become Necrons, so no Necron race is going to time travel back to help kill Old Ones, meaning C'tan will be made and Necrontyr will go through their rebirth to Necrons.

one would think that a race as advanced as the necrontyr would be able to figure out how to extend their lives to a satisfayable degree. I mean, as backwards as the Imperium is, it is child's play for them

It's because Old Ones forced Necrontyr to only be able to colonize systems and planets similar or same as their home world, so to keep them "unchanged". Main reason Necrontyr got a humongous hateboner for Old Ones is because they saw them as gods and asked to help them cure super cancer they're all plagued with due to their species evolving on planet super bathed with super radiation and Old Ones basically said "lol no that would change you" and prevented them from colonizing non-radioactive wasteland planets or systems. Even if they somehow manage to cure few cancers and extend their lives for a decade or two they'll still suffer from literally hundreds of other cancers. Living as a Necrontyr was a lottery in how long can you live before you win super cancer. Even if you manged to cure the first 14 cancers that ail you you'll still die to that 15th one you don't know how to cure and you'll suffer through all 15 equally.

One of the less known assassin temples already tried this. It didn't go well for anyone involved. I'm saying that the reason it's "less known" is that this was that temples only project, and after it went rogue and nommed its way through enough biomass they closed the lid on the project and then followed up by closing the lid on most of the personnel involved...

I've wondered about that too. Even if they aren't time displaced, they could just be a sub-species of Tyranid that arrived in the galaxy far, far in advance of the Hive Fleets.

If they stop themselves from become Necrons they stop themselves from attaining Chrononmancy, which means they can't stop themselves from becoming Necrons. Repeat ad infinitum.

^ What he said. *applauds*

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Bay-hay-moth(umlauts required) is more appropriate. Be-he-moth is a mispronunciation by a people who have literally no claim or understanding of Hebraic speech or pronunciation.

Makes sense, especially considering that a big-ass chunk of one of the Hive Fleets (I think it was Behemoth but not certain) got dragged into the Warp when that one Emperor-class battleship suicide-rushed them and detonated its Warp core. Who can say where, or indeed, when, those chunks got spat back out of the Warp?

Will Rogers Yes, and not just Behemoth, but Leviathan too, when the Great Rift opened up and swallowed the vast majority of the hive fleet. I'm certain there are mentions of how elements of it have been scattered across the galaxy in the wake of rift. Who's to say that some of them were not sent into the past or future as well?

Skarbrand got to big for his boots and tried to cheapshot khorne who in turn bitchslapped him so hard that he went a little insane

Malal is basically Chaos Undivided, he's the essence of Chaos in the warp, can't ever be truly killed or removed, just put in the nursing home.

Idk if you're being sarcastic, but it isn't. Remleiz has a bunch of weird pronunciations in his videos

Fun fact, his pronunciation is accidentally pretty close to the original Hebrew, in which the "h" is very soft, so "behemoth" would be pronounced closer to "beyamoth"

If the Tyranids are biological weapons unleashed by surviving Old Ones then its likely that the Hive Mind is the mechanism the Old Ones use to control the Tyranids and Hive Fleet Colossos may represent what the Tyranids were before the Old Ones created the Hive Mind to bind the Hive Fleets together under their control.

Imperator Crispico you mean properly?

Fun fact, his pronunciation is accidentally pretty close to the original Hebrew, in which the "h" is very soft, so "behemoth" would be pronounced closer to "beyamoth"

I would like to think this is the true history of what happened, seeing as the technology during this period was the pinnical of science. The men of iron totally dominated the first Tyranid incursions into the galaxy destroying causing the Hive Mind to stop further attacks until given a better opertunity with those creatures that remained becoming feral monsters across multiple planets.

robots and ai would be the perfect counter to Tyranids... shame it won't happen

@@ed8212 T'au: are we a joke to you?

@@Triumph263 yes.