The Forgotten Stretch when Michael Jordan played Point Guard 

Who are the other two guards that were better rebounders?

@william… I’m terms if rpg #2 Jerry Sloan, #1 Tom Gola.

@@Nysdaddy Thanks.

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Lebron through 13 years in the playoffs averaged 33.2 percent on 3 pointers, this is the same as Jordan’s full career in the playoffs. Jordan took 446 3 pointers in his playoff career, 13 years in the playoffs lebron took over 670 more 3 pointers at the 13 year mark in the playoffs than jordan did and still maintained the same percentage. For those that don’t want to or cant do the math in their head this is equivalent to 1,116 3 pointers attempted in a 13 year playoff career. Clearly lebron is a better 3 point shooter. This argument is for those that would make the argument that jordan was a better 3 point shooter simply because lebron‘s 3 point percentage is lower in the playoffs. If you took the 2019-20 playoffs and 2021 playoff average he would’ve averaged 33.7 percent. His percentage dropped below Jordan’s however because in the 2023 playoffs he took 106 3 pointers but only made 28. Leaving his percentage .01 lower than Jordan’s while taking over 943 more 3 pointers in the playoffs for his full playoff career. For the majority of lebron’s career, he took more 3 pointers but also made more and did it at a better percentage than jordan did. Jordan is not a better 3 point shooter than lebron. He shot way less 3 pointers, and shot at a shortened 3 point line for 3 years. Try again.

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Uneducated basketball fans...

Yeah that 28% from 3 was proof possitive he's the goat. Almost as impressive as when the league changed the rules for him to beat detroit.

@@andrewcook1246 no, otherwise Curry would be the GOAT and Steve Kerr might be in the conversation too. However going on a stretch of 626 games without ever losing more than 2 games in a row in the process winning 6 titles in 8 years does. That was also during the time when scoring in the league consistently went down even compared to the high scoring avg. of the 80s despite whatever rule change you might have in mind (which applied to everyone anyway). Btw in his 1st threepeat Finals he avg. 42% from 3s, showing that when mattered the most, he still can shoot quite well from 3s even before the line was shortened.

@@paulusrumanouw3176 Except he didnt win in the 80s and only jordan was whining to the league for rule changes. I have multiple in mind. Plus lets be honest, if they shortened the 3pt line to accomodate bad shooters the internet and media would lose their shit and juat like the bubble or anhtbing else it would have a major asterisk. If theu gave bron flagrant 3's, or if they banned zones.

@@andrewcook1246Spoken like a true LBJTQ representative

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If was that guy he would've been that guy but he wasn't

@ber… Instead he became the Goat playing SG.

@@Nysdaddy that's your opinion

And it’s right.

​@@bernardwade8096He avg 5 ast while being an elite off-ball player in the triangle. Assist alone don't determine how good of passer/playmaker you are. In the 91-Finals Jordan avg 31ppg & 11ast. The most ast in the finals by anyone besides Magic Johnson

you mean LeBrick .. low 30% outside of 5 feet for his career. oops

Way below average teammates.

@@xtucs with Wade and Bosch?

If you don’t watch it. How do yall comment on it?

I agree with ya Randy. They just don’t understand.

@@ScoutsHonor. No Sir I still watch games now and then and familiar with the stars of today just saying none of the current will make me sit in front of a tv religiously and passed on social events for them simply not worth the time like it was with MJ

@@randychoi3637 because you were young, dude and nostalgia has taken over your brain. You stated even his missed shots were exciting. That’s wierdo fanboy stuff. All that tells me is that the media made you think Jordan was a god because it’s no other way a guy playing basketball can make you feel like that unless you were manipulated. Basketball has improved and people don’t like improvements. We still like when tv shows had grain in it and we have to use antennas to get the right connection.

@@ScoutsHonor. I was born in 77 so I am flattered you considered that young? Improvement? No one said anything about skills and athleticism not constantly improving and peaking (duh this a natural progression) but what you neglect to noticed is how the game is evolving guys are playing 1 side of the ball the league thinks sports is purely entertainment therefore defense is nonexistent just dudes running up and down the court shooting 3s or dribble the rock for 20 seconds before a desperate handoff for a desperate shot. Funny thing most stars from 80s and 90s cannot make the cut in todays game because they are slow and un-athletic so why are guys like Jokic and Luka both hella slow and un athletic dudes dominating the league right now? If you can’t even figure that one out then there’s nothing to speak of far as my basketball preference. To me sports supposed to be competitive if you don’t understand how soft this generation plays the game again this is on you not me. Anyone who watched basketball in 80s 90s and witnessed MJ in his prime would say guys are better now lmao?

They call them plumbers because they just dont know. Lack of basketball knowledge. Simple.

96 Supersonics with Payton and Kemp was a very strong 64 season winning team, not 47.

@@paulusrumanouw3176he’s talking about that season

Sonics had Ellis, X-man, Mckey, McMillan, etc. Ellis was avg 27.5ppg on 50% & 47%3PT on 5 attempts in 89.

Plumbers and firemen were way better than players today who are youtubers and podcasters😂

My all time starting five would be: Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan, and Hakeem Olajuwon. MJ and Kobe can constantly switch between facilitator and shooter. KG can help the guards defend on the perimeter, and act as a point-forward if he needs to. Duncan and Olajuwon would be the most unstoppable defensive anchor duo imaginable.

The stats are all correct. I went to look this up because I didn't remember or believed it. Jeezus

Not like it wasn’t needed he never proved he could win anything outside of a system bron plays in the bron system mike played in the triangle

Triangle what u think that is genius ball movement Mike been since as a rookie was a ball dominate take alot of shots turn over the ball westbrick slash James harden minus the three basketball 🏀 that why pip said before he got the team he was a horrible player he would of been ya king less ring uncoachable Stat player look at the game he played point guard in the 89 season

@@warreno.bryant4406 is what I try to tell this morons mike was losing those games he played point guard he wasn’t good at running an offense like magic or bron if u put mike at point especially in the 80s u will loose now in the 90s was a very weak era so he might have still won

And Bird, ironically.

Pretty much, but they were young, still maturing, and Collins offensive schemes sucked. Phil and Tex, got them over the hump.

​@@chrisbrooks6756triangle wouldn't have made a difference at that point. Look at the 06 & 07 Lakers. Collins was put in a far more difficult position than Phil. Phil took over a Conf.Final team expected to win it all.

@@sideshowbobsaget8876 Nobody cares about anything you just said. The combination of players maturing, and an offense that moved the ball, happening at the same time, made the difference between making it far, and making it all the way. EVERYBODY(teammates, opponents, MJ himself) all say this to be true, but yeah, let's listen to some dipshit with a crystal ball that likes to play the "maybe, would have wouldn't have game". You're an idiot.

But when he won, he played a variety of ways too...passing in the 1st Finals, the 3-ball in the 2nd, putting up crazy points in the 3rd. Also, he still lead the league in scoring that year so not sure how that got the coach fired.

Actually Jordan's style wasn't more successful. He just played worse competition

@@sportstalkonly1442 whatever you need to tell yourself 🙄

@@sportstalkonly1442 typical LBJ fan talk without real evidence. MJ faced more 60+ winning team in his 6 finals runs than LBJ's 10 finals run, yet MJ still won more in less time!

@@paulusrumanouw3176 he won more facing worse competition. That doesn't make him a better player. If it's about wins lebron beat a 73 win team and that ends the discussion.

@paulusrumanouw3176 there are only 82 games in an NBA season every year unless there are unforeseen circumstances that causes the season to be shortened. The majority of teams that have been to the finals in the modern era have won 50 or 60 games. And there have only been two teams in nba history that have won 70 or more games. So jordan facing more 50 or 60 win teams or teams averaging a similar amount of wins shouldn’t be a surprise or a groundbreaking discovery. Teams aren’t breaking records every year. And excluding lockout seasons the 2021 bucks and the 95 rockets since the 80s every nba team that has won the nba championship has won 50 or more games. Plus this argument is only used so that Jordan’s competition doesn’t actually have to be broken down. Which makes this argument a logical fallacy.

Jordan wasn't an elite passer/playmaker? Don't expose yourself

There was a lot of offense going around in those days too. Lol. But I have to disagree with you. In 1983-84, Magic averaged 13.1 apg and cooper 5.9apg. They were the only 2 players to average over 3 assists per game. The team overall averaged 29.9apg. In 1988-89, MJ averaged 8.0apg. Vincent average 4.8, paxson 3.9, and pippen 3.5. 4 guys averaged 3.5apg that season. The team overall averaged 27.0apg. So that shows you are not correct. The bulls shared the ball more than the lakers did even though MJ was playing point. It clearly shows that players other than MJ touched the ball. Also cooper came off the bench that season. So there is a high chance that most of his assists came with magic off the floor.

@@justamessenger4577 well made argument. Nicely cherry picked season of magic. But. Why was jordan never put back at point? Sam Vincent HATED playing with jordan because of the lack of ball sharing. He had played with a historically great passing team, and thought jordan incapable of such play. Phil Jackson tried to take the ball out of his hands as much as possible to prop up other players confidence. It would never have happened without pippin taking the point forward spot.

@@seanmolloy2172 I didn’t cherry pick. I picked the season where cooper had career high assists. You cited seasons where magic had 12+ assists and copper had 5+. So I went by your criteria. The other seasons where cooper averaged 5+ were the same as that one. The point still remains that the year MJ averaged 8.0apg, other players averaged 3+ apg as well, 3 of them and Hodges was at 2.8. Which is equivalent to what the lakers were doing. So it was not MJ getting all the assists. I showed you that other players touched the ball as well. Even when MJ was the PG, other players got 5+ assists in those games as well. Some got as many as 8 on the same day MJ had 10. “Why was MJ not put back at point?” Because Jackson took over the next season and didn’t want MJ to do so. As you said, they would not be able to win that way. But also the triangle wouldn’t work with MJ playing that way. I don’t disagree with you on that point. And even after that, MJ still averaged 5.5+apg for the next 4 seasons. The funny part is MJ accepted the change and won as a result. Lebron, however… Anyway the main point I proved is that MJ was not the only bull in 1988-89 who got touches and spread the ball around just as much as the lakers did.

Not true. Put Jordan on the Lakers and they win more than 5 rings. A undeveloped team upset 2 teams better than then, and almost took out the bad boys who almost won it all the yr before. Put Jordan on the Pistons and it's more than 2 rings. Coach Smith said he thought Jordan should play PG

@@sideshowbobsaget8876 I don't think the lakers win 5 with jordan. Or at least not the same 5assuming he's a rookie in 79. Early in Jordan's career, Cap would have had issues with not getting the ball enough. One of them would have to be traded. I do think the pistons win more with him, the team was constructed differently. Though that team was predicated on ball sharing as well. Thomas has spoken of how his stat's going down helped the team win.

Well no but the closest to that claim was made by Larry Bird so I value his credibility more than you or anyone else who never play a single NBA game let alone face MJ.

@@paulusrumanouw3176 Larry: Calls MJ "God" Also Larry: Sweeps God Whats a God to a nonbeliever? Edit: Larrys also on record saying players today are better. So theres that too

@@andrewcook1246 correction, the peak Championship winning caliber Celtics with Larry swept the under construction Bulls with newly acquired MJ. You understand basketball it's a team sport after all, not like tennis or boxing right? Did Larry specifically went on record saying any of those today "better" players better than MJ?

@@paulusrumanouw3176 I know basketball is a team sport. Jordan fans don't.

​@@andrewcook1246 do you? Ironically it was me who reminded you from your incorrect comments above. If now you know then good for you then, enjoy getting mad watching endless supply of MJ videos out there!

But MJ ran point in his 1st Finals under Phil...and that's how he ended up averaging over 11 assists. He was actually leading Magic in assists until the very last game.

Did you watch the video? Did you listen to anything? He was put at point for a stretch… no one said he is PG. The point of basketball is to win championships. That’s why they play. Not for MVPs, not All-NBAs, not scoring titles, not runs of 10pt games… and not to merely share the ball. To.. win… And that’s what happened. The Bulls won. Oh… MJ is the GOAT