I used to live in the middle east as a child and there was an event where my family and others would go into the desert, a good two three hours deep and set up tents for night out, you don't know real peace until you smell the sand at night and hear the gentle wind, it's an almost clean smell and not a single car in range.
@@normandy2501 hehe, the sense of smell can be in many ways a burden (just like all senses). the smell of milk can ruin my day and make me gag. even things without milk can smell of it. but all senses can be in some way burdensome. you should read "the ascent of mt carmel" :^)
The thing about the Jihad is that Paul foresaw it via Spice-induced prescience and he wanted to prevent it, but could not. Even if he died, the Jihad would go on anyway. Paul also foresaw the Golden Path, but flinched from it. Leto foresaw it and stepped onto it. Leto's death, Siona's invisibility from prescience, and the Scattering were all intended results.
It was always gonna be screwed. You dont get that popular and lead a giant rebellion as a result of you being "prophesized" without things getting horrendously out of hand. Religious fervor always goes the whole 9 yards, for better or for worse...
The only way it could’ve been avoided was if Paul, Jessica and every single one of Stilgar’s Fremen died in the water cave. Paul felt the opportunity quickly arrive, and just as fast, slip out of his hands like sand; but he didn’t know until it was too late, and by then the Jihad was again the only possible outcome. It’s incredible just how unavoidable the massacre is, *it* will _always_ happen.
@CodyAdams-pf9unPaul used his messiah image to make sure everyone he cared about survived at the cost of the great houses. He made things better for his people but sacrificed the many. In perspective it depends on who he made things better _for._ Regardless of the message, humanity still would have died had Leto not sacrificed himself as a tyrant.
I had an older sister that passed away but before that I remember how utterly hooked she was on Lynchs film and Herbert's world building regarding the Dune Saga. She'd always tried to get me to watch it but I was too little to really fall into it and let myself get immersed in the lore like she did. I decided to give it another try for her when the new one came out just because I'm sappy like that and wanted to give it one more go to see if their was something I'd missed back then. Holy...Sh*t am I obsessed with this now 😆 the fact that Herbert created this in the 60s with an entire world and religions and dang..just everything blows me away. To tell a story that spans that amount of time and through so many people and dynasties yet still never lose the focus and convictions/motives behind each personality and end goal is just amazing. I can totally see what she always bugged me about now and it's never to late to watch the entire saga unfold now with everything else that's due out in the universe especially thinking about how she would feel about the comparisons between directors, etc.
Massive amount of thanks for the comments guys and or girls truly and sincerely, thank you. I've never been one to throw around words like "masterpiece" especially when referring to anything that's had a decent amount of public opinion/consumption however in this case, it honestly is nothing short of one. Best wishes and looking forward to the next film.
Funny how Paul kills jamis even though Paul's vision shows jamis being his friend and showing him the way of the desert, jamis' hostility is the way he shows the ferocity of the desert and in killing him he shows Paul how it truly is in the desert.
In the books, Paul cries when the funerary rites for Jamis are being conducted because he thinks his death was unnecessary and he feels guilty. The Fremen are awed, as tears in their culture are seen as "giving water to the dead" and are an almost mythical thing, reserved only for a close friend or loved one. This is one scene that drills into Jessica's head the importance that the Fremen give to water, and confirms Paul and her as the ones spoken about in the Lisan al Gaib prophecy since he passed the Amtal test. I was honestly shocked they omitted it from the movie. "I was a friend of Jamis," Paul whispered. "Jamis taught me... that... when you kill... you pay for it." -- Paul Atreides
One of the reasons Herbert wrote Dune was due to the distrust he had of charismatic leaders and how the people are fickle, manipulable and surrender their freedom (with the respective critical sense and necessary distrust to the government) to follow the various scoundrels that infest the global history. The sight of JFK and the charisma he exuded - just remember the romanticism of his government and person that emerged after his assassination. The best passage of the 6 books is in the dialogue with Stilgar in "Dune Messiah": Genghis Khan killed 4 million, Hitler killed 6 million, and I sterilized planets." What a magnificent "hero" Paul Atreides was. And how the followers of a leader expand the mistakes of their leadership (religious, political, etc).
I personally thought Paul's vision in the tent was one of the best part of the film. It really showed Paul's terror and disgust in at the idea of the jihad.
Messiah would be the best film to adapt because theyd simply summarize it to 2.5 hours and make it less boring Book faithful? Probably not Enjoyable, im sure
@@sparklemotion8377 because large inspiration for the setting of dune and the culture of the fremen in particular was drawn from middle eastern culture and Islam in general. Edit: I should say middle eastern ARABIC culture.
I'm really looking forward to the sequels, and I'm curious as to what the visuals will look like when Paul takes the waters of life. Shits gonna be epic.
"Do you know of the Water of Life? The bile from the newborn worms of Arrakis?" "I have heard of it." "It is very dangerous. The Bene Gesserit Sisterhood use it to see Within. There is a place..... *_terrifying_* to us, to women. It is said -- _A man will come, the Kwisatz Haderach. He will go where we cannot._ Many men have tried." "They tried and failed?" "They tried and died."
@@jessepollard7132 The navigators navigated. They used prescience to see the safe path to the destination. The ships systems handled the jump. Navigators are not pilots.
@@jimclark2824 As I remember, they were the ones that initiated the jump, and the power required for reaching the destination. And that makes them pilots.
@@jessepollard7132 The Holtzman Effect is what provides the power and ability to fold space. Navigators only provide the safe path. Ships are capable of jumping without a navigator with a 10% failure rate.
It's really interesting to think how similar the Fremen of Dune are to the Aiel in the Wheel of Time book series. Both cultures are based in the desert, water is prized beyond measure, clans and family relationships are very important, honor and obligation governs one's behavior, and physical prowess in combat is a must.
Leto II deliberately bred Siona to produce humans who could hide from prescience. She was, as he said, an achievement. It seems as though this was something to do with Duncan Idaho, as he commented on how much effort it took to turn a recessive trait into a dominant one.
Siona didn't really "develop" the ability to evade prescient sight. Leto II waited until one of his sisters descendants was born with it. He then, quite deliberately, let her cause his 'death', though it seems to have been more of a dispersal of his mental powers back into small fragments within the sand trout and reemergent sandworms.
Its Ironic that Sarduakar despite having much more brutal culture they werent able to go on equal terms with fremen Also its much more ironic that Paul is able to easily win over a fremen
@@radicalgreek99 he also saw the paralel scenarios where he and that warrior were allies It has more to do that Paul too was keenly trained since his birth
Yo if you think the fremen were badass, wait till we see the fedaykin, Paul’s personal troops. They are the golden ones we see in the vision kicking ass alongside Paul. One fremen will easily defeat a Sardaukar, but a fedaykin will annihilate a group of them without breaking a sweat!
This is what always knocked me out, or took me OUT of the film’s experience for the first Dune Movie. They were all really - really - really - white, understandably so given the time period but that always stuck in my mind. These people reminded me of middle eastern / african lands / cultures.
I think they are supposed to be originated from the Egyptians, something about the valey of the Nile river. Thought it is fair to accept that through the ages and their travels any number and kind of ethnicity may have been picked up in the way.
@@BadioTheAfricano Specially when you take into consideration Frank Herbert based the Fremen culture on his understanding of Islam. I have no idea how accurate he was or how well he understood Islam but I know he very much respected the peoples of Islam. edit to add: in response to your post: This is what always knocked me out, or took me OUT of the film’s experience for the first Dune Movie. They were all really - really - really - white, understandably so given the time period but that always stuck in my mind. These people reminded me of middle eastern / african lands / cultures. 3
Another important effect of Melange is its geriatric properties that extend life expectancy. I believe it was the geriatric properties of spice that most of the nobles and commoners (who could afford it) desired. The side effect of the benefit of extended life was the requirement to keep taking melange in quantity. Stopping would result in a fast painful death. This addiction to melange was what drove the spice market economy for everyone outside of the Spacing Guild and Bene Gesserit. Prescience, was more of an elevated and technical effect, but it required large quantities of spice that anyone outside of the Imperial House, Spacing Guild and Bene Gesserit couldn't afford. Even House Harkonnen didn't use their vast store of spice for prescience, but rather as a commodity to be traded and saved as value. They, like the major Houses, used their spice for geriatric purposes.
Like in the real world we live in, spices have medicinal, therapeutic and preservation properties. This refers to the spice trade set by Portugal and Spain. The value of spices cost a fortune on that time. Dune book i believe, is a mix or crossover between silkroad and spice trade
Great video! Glad to se someone covering Dune that understands it. I would be so happy to watch any video you make regarding Dune, and the factions and main characters within.
Trivia. Read Wilfred Thesiger's Arabian Sands about a late 1940's crossing of the Empty Quarter and you'll find the inspiration for Frank Herbert's Fremen in Omani and Yemeni Bedouin tribes. In fact, Herbert uses several direct lifts from Thesiger's work.
wilfred thesigers book on the Muslim Yemenis and Muslim Omanis? u sure frank Herbert was inspired by him? from what I recall he was mostly inspired by his number one most influential book which impacted his trilogy lore, known as " the sabers of paradise," it was about the muslim fighters against the Russian invaders of the Caucasus.
Rereading Dune, I noticed a big mistake in the new Dune movie. The scene where the Sardukar kill Kynes. Kynes is directly working for and reporting to the emperor, so the Sardukar would believe whatever Kynes told them. Which is why the baron has Kynes killed away from the Sardukar. Although, the scene in the movie was pretty cool. Amazon really screwed up. They should have used that billion dollars to have DV make a 50-60 hour Dune Saga and just keep everything in from the books. Instead of whatever they did with LotR.
Dune is more or less unsutable as a movie or trillogy. Like you hinted at, the best format would be a series. There was 2 series made about 20 years ago, that are pretty much true to the first 2 books. They are cringe to watch though, bad acting and weird costumes etc. But if you like a more pure Dune adaptation, thats the closest you get. In the movie some creative license have been used, like changing the sex of Kynes, and they way "she" meets her death. But thats not the only changes done compared to the books. And there are too many to list here. For me though all the changes works, all the necessities are still there, its still Dune.
0:04 ok. For those who don't know that dude in the very front with the fancy two sword set: thats Duncan Idaho. He 's the only one to carry a pair of Atredes blade and you can clearly see his features when the Camera zooms in.
Most important thing about them is that they were enslaved and escaped on the first fold-space ship using a holtzman engine and the first navigator siona. the arrived on Dune by accident but although it was a harsh desert, they were free at last.
THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!! ....For adding the part about the winner of the duels being responsible for the wife and children of the loser. This was cut from both the Sci-Fi mini series and the David Lynch version and left as "cut content". And alot of people get confused as to the two boys standing next to Paul for the rest of the (David Lynch)movie, not realizing those are Jamis' sons and the lady the Saudaukar kill in the miniseries before killing Paul's first son is Jamis' wife, who was basically like a housekeeper to Paul and Chani!
I couldn't live on that planet. If I did I would need the ability to levitate just so I won't attract any sandworms. Imagine in Godzilla was on that planet
My father used to work on the oil fields in kuwait during WW2 and he used to tell me about sleeping under the stars . so stunning and how they would draw a lot be around them where they slept by burrowing with there hand and pour parafin in there to stop the scorpion s entering
I'm a huge fan of Dune and I think Herbert's first novel is a true masterpiece of epic science fiction. Unfortunately the second novel Dune Messiah left me a bit perplexed, it didn't have the rhythm of the first one and there wasn't much significant or interesting happening. Other Dune and sci-fi fans themselves argue that the first novel is the best. I don't know about the novels written by the son. It could have been an even more fantastic series of books...the movie was cool, waiting for the second part
I’ve read all 14 books. In the original series, Messiah and God Emporer drag and drag, but Heretics and Chapterhouse pick up the pace and lay out a badass story. The prequel trilogy is..fine. The butlerian jihad trilogy is pretty good. Hunters and Sandworms of Dune are absolutely worth the payoff
In the late 2000s while in high school I got really into Iron Maiden and started reading all the books their songs were based on. Eventually I heard To Tame a Land and read Dune. I loved the first book and it, along with The Doors of Perception by Aldous Huxley, is the reason I became interested in psychedelics which led me on a ten year quest looking for God and meaning. This search, which was ultimately the result of ego death and existential crisis brought on by my psychedelic use, led me back to the Christianity I was raised with and grown tired of. It’s weird to say, but my fascination with the effects of LSD and mushrooms led me back to Christ, even if my Pentecostal family doesn’t like my now being Catholic. All that to say, Dune had a huge impact on me when I was younger and after all these years, I’ve started reading the books again. And I really wish I had kept reading them, I am amazed at how intricate and well thought out the universe is. I especially love how it presents a future of humanity that grew out of technology and instead seek to improve themselves, elevating the human mind to extreme but believable levels. I’m really enjoying reading these books and I am extremely grateful that this amazing RU-vid channel exists to help me put everything in context.
Nope nope nope nope nope the god emperor did not die because one of the fremen found a way to be invisible to his visions. Leto actually reused the Bene gesserit genetic manipulation program to create a human race that could not be predicted by anyone even by him. This is known as the Golden Path. This is also why upon his death humanity is scattered and actually splits dividing itself in two with two different evolution paths. This is also why he lets the Theilaxu recreate Duncan Idaho over and over and over again since he needs Duncan's genes to achieve his goal. He carefully planed every steps that would lead to his own death. What people tend to forget is that Leto saw the end of the human race and how to avoid it. That also what his father Paul saw but failed to do something about. The powerful sect is not really a sect. The Hnored Matres are what the Bene Gesserit becomed while being separated from their base. They started ruling their part of the universe as much as the Bene Gesserit did in their own part of the universe. The bombs they used to destroy Arakis is not of their own making by the way, they stole these bombs a lot of their weapons from an external force. It will be later revealed that they stole these weapons from an AI that escaped the Butlerian Jihad and then evolved and prepared for a future confrontation with the human race. This is what Paul and Leto saw in their visions and what Leto prepared the human race for. The Honored Matres are not just a sect but are actually ruthless warriors that used their knowledge inherited from the Bene Gesserit to find their own way of fighting. The bombing of Arakkis was in fact to deprive the Bene Gesserit to access their source of power: the spice. While Leto had let the fremen terraform Arakkis he kept a small tribe of fremen that would keep the memory alive of the fremen way. When he died his inner skin went back to carp and the whole terraformation of Arakkis got reversed, bringing back the sandworms (while he was alive Leto was the only source of spice). One of the sisters of the Bene Gesserit is actually an Atreides and the new sandworms react to her mostly because they have residual memories of Leto. This is why the Bene Gesserit can captiure a sandworm and bring it back to their homeworld before the Honored Matres destroyed Arakkis.
I've never understood how the numbers are supposed to work. The Fremen originate from Dune and number, maybe, in the millions. You have to completely ignore the scale of the galaxy to imagine this tiny group waging war successfully against the vastness of the empire of Dune where the total population would number in the trillions.
Spice to fly and travel is a commodity so even if they could move over an entire empire’s population, it would probably be like asking for rocket fuel to get billions off the planet earth.
The first book is easily the best but I’d love to see the God Emperor adapted. The great scattering is where I like to jump off the Dune train and end it there.
I kept telling myself to finish reading the book which I left off at page 209 back in 1996, but realised I should probably start over to fully get my more adult brain's perspective, but yeah that didn't happen.
I'm glad I haven't watched the movie and have been listening to the audio books because what you showed in the beginning pisses me off, why change that scene, Paul overcame jamis and jamis challenged him based on that, as a fremen he knew he couldn't challenge a sayyidena. You could make the book word for word it's just so well written
You act like they made a Major change. His motivations were tweaked but it played out the same way minus the funeral and crying unless they add that into part 2
What I dont get about the Fremen is, what are they eating? They're always banging on about water but what do they do for food? Im sure this is explained somewhere but I don't see how they'd grow crops or keep livestock and there's not really any wildlife on Arrakis?
There is wildlife, and in the book they grow crops. Arrakis (slight spoiler) is a harsh desert planet, yes, but it actually has a lot of water. It's even said that it could've been a paradise. Fremen use technology and such to harvest moisture to grow crops and such
When I was young I would, for a time, abandon my family to wander out into the wastes of Irvine, California. The sodium lights would illuminate sidewalks and newly repaved streets in a golden hued glow. The manicured landscaping smelled sweet, like a tongue of Colitas in an Eagles song from my parent's record collection. My skateboard was a portal to Del Taco, Slurpees and Tommy Burgers - A way of life unfathomable to those not born of The Irvine.
Shadout and sayadina aren't the same thing shadout is the water keeper and the sayadina keeps the water of life, I can see how that might get confusing if your just reading a script.
Niyat, I thoroughly enjoy all your videos (thoroughly = I've watched many of them more than once! Or twice.) But I'm pleasantly surprised to notice that I favor your work on video game titles. Maybe you could expand in that genre a bit more? IMHO it seems that as studios appear less willing to gamble on financing films that aren't based on a tried and tested intellectual property, perhaps video games may be the last bastion of original ideas. Maybe I'm overgeneralizing, and I do still have hope for the industry, and your videos and others like them give me a nice reprieve from all the politicking in and about film right now, so...Thanks! Keep up the great work!
It’s so funny to me that David luncheon is embarrassed about how bad his cut down film is that he won’t see the new ones but you can absolutely see direct influences from his version in the Denis avenue version.
3:55 Today we have found out many deserts on earth was caused by over farming. Many countries with deserts are now healing the land and growing forests.
