@@mvpdustin843 that's cause engine mode. I'm a Ferrari fan for life but even I know that shits not in a good place. But if it's not the case then the regs are the same as last year and they should use last years aero package.
But I don't think it is the engine. Alfa is at the spot wer they were las year. Maybe it is a little bit slower but not 13kmh. Last year Ferrari was faster on the straights than alfa. If they added downforce like they said, they would be around alfa or a little slower. But not 7kmh slower than alfa. And Alfa does not have an that efficient car like mercedes. So maybe with the new update for the 2 race they can reach alfa an be a place 4-6 contender( I think max and mercy are not in range on this track/ season)
Pretty sure alfa also lost like 6 or 7 tenths vs last year. Same for haas. Ferrari lost 9 tenths but also lost 2 or 3 tenths in the corners on the lap.
Go learn some fluid dynamics and you'll see at those high speeds, 20HP will account for for about 2 to 3 kmh in speed difference, less efficiency in aero will account for way more, Ferrari's back end looks absolutely disturbing in its design nevermind its front end is chunky, they may have more downforce but it's not being produced efficienctly, and that's more than likely 80 or 90% of the cars problem
padam19 haha. Instead of getting merked, though - aka hit with $50mil fine. They get a confidential agreement. Aka a slap on the wrist that leaves a red mark. If it were any other team...
@@krungstar4541 they were off the pace start of last year too, only reason they pulled back was clearly abusing the power unit regulations leading to said agreement. They ruined theyre own season and thats coming from a scuderia fan
@@DhruvaDevOnline sadly you are probably right. Theyre down a second a lap on the shortest track of the season, which means probably 1.5 seconds down on the long circuits. Easily going to get lapped.
Red Bull Sauber Petronas it means nothing too, we will see in Hungary after the Upqrades from Ferrari, but it seems obvious. I mean, why are all Ferrari Teams on Laptime over 1/2 Second slower ? Alfa is on straights second fastest, why haven’t they won the race ?
RP is improving after every race . Soon they would be on the opdium and their cars are always just a fraction slower than the Mercedes , that's some sick shit right there .
It's just crazy how Mercedes can be so good year after year, regulation change after regulation change, while ferrari, with the same monetary resources, is completely lost. Must be something in the water in Stuttgart since Porsche is similarly dominant.
Mercedes don't care who they employ as long as they do the job right, Ferrari want mainly Italian only staff, often ignoring better international talent
becasue fia or british need new hero aka hamilton 7 wdc if last year engine ferrari still legal it will be good season any ways why there is no team protest or question about pink mercedes and original mercedes smokey engine accelerarion at first lap after first corner of austrian gp its likely oil burn usually redbull aka helmut marko doin this
You are delusioned if you think merc didn't know about hybrid engine changes. They were working on it from 2 years even before the start of the hybrid era. Rbr and Ferrari aren't such bad team or they operate on a lower budget that they couldn't have figured it out.
Exactly, I commented something similar. The time they spent finding and exploiting that power illegally was time the other teams were able to make actual progress.
I think it would now be illegal, because just bringing last years car, would basically be a modification to the chassis and the suspension. and those are frozen.
thomas locatelli That’s not necessarily true. For whatever the rules don’t cover, the FIA decides what is legal and what I isn’t, and it’s totally up to their discretion. Ferrari could have been developing technology they had hoped would be within enough loopholes to be legal, only for the FIA to go the other way. They could also have been trying to apply a legal concept from one component onto another, different component. This has already happened once: Mercedes split their turbo without issue, but when Ferrari tried to apply the same concept to splitting the battery, the FIA deemed that illegal.
It’s because FIA installed a new fuel flow sensor that’s resistant to the ‘aliasing’ trick they were almost definitely using last year. Instead of a regular 2000hz interval, the sensor now randomizes its measurement times. They would get found out in a second if they used the old engine now. FIA just couldn’t prove it last because the old sensor could be beaten.
Right.. and Mercedes is not.... fact is every engineer will tip toe on the line.. sometimes crossing it if they can keep it invisible.. It pays to have the best engineers.. its why they pay the most out of any fucking team.
Alfa was 3 last and are 3 now? They went 2kmh slower and said that they added downforce over the winter. So not that bad. I think it is mostly on the aero and A LITTLE bit on the engine itself, like 1-3kmh
@@thehuggingsimmy1765 Haas. But the aero is definitely a part of it. The speed Haas and Alfa Romeo achieved are in line with the rest of the field, with Ferrari at the bottom at a significant gap.
I think vettel has lost it. These last three years he seems to always be involved in confusion. Newer drivers have also been audacious, but without the mess. LeClerc has outshinned Vettel
@@mikahan0410 he's won two championships which were under a lot of pressure. Those rookies you're talking about must be better than Hamilton, since Hamilton as a rookie couldn't win with the best car in 2007.
You have to comply with the 2020 regulations, 2019 engine is not legal anymore. You just cant bolt 2020 parts in a 2019 car, center of gravity, weight distribution, etc. is different so it will be even worse.
Yes the 2019 was "legal", but the FIA had a talk with Ferrari after redbull wanted an investigation. I guess they had to slower their engine but I think that's not fair. If ferrari found a gap why arent they allowed to use it? I mean Mercedes can use the DAS this year too
Yeah..high downforce aero built for a much more powerful PU. That would result in a car slow in every aspect. But its still an undrivable car and even that high downforce aero doesnt give too much downforce, just more drag and less balance it seems...look at Vettels onboards from the race and what he said after the race, he was lucky AF he didnt spin more than once and not only that..he also said that the car was behaving very differently to what it felt in the days before and that he didnt "recognise it at all"
Embarrassing package. It's obvious Ferrari last year was working on a loophole or some new technology that they don't want to disclose as they're probably planning to use it in other fields or competitions. Obviously the FIA was cornered to forbid it, but couldn't penalize it as in the past various other loopholes were allowed by other teams and then banned for the following season. Example, double diffuser and exhaust blown system. The big question mark here, is that since none of the other teams knew what it is, Ferrari cleverly opted for the classified sealed which they're entitled to as per the rules. That aside, it's shocking that with it already happening since last year October, Ferrari didn't change the direction of the engine in time for the new season. Yes, it takes time, yes they got chained by the pandemic and the new rules. But this engine is slower than the 2018 spec. So, I agree, there are some serious correlation issues, not only with aereo, but across their departments.
They aren't allowed to update the engine that much anymore. They could change minor things, the engine is basically still the same as in March, as they where in Australia only to see the race get canceled. E.g. all teams had to agree in order to allow Honda to modify the engine and bring big updates as they came back to F1.
@@wehtam61eoj it wasn't, it was deemed illegal after the loophole was discovered. It's basically the same as the DAS, with the difference that the das couldn't be banned for this year even because Mercedes asked FIA if it would be legal. In fact, FIA said they would bei banned from next season after everyone discovered it and every not-mercedes-engined team started attacking the federation.
a weak Ferrari is better for the sport. Remember the mess that was the Schumacher era, when all the rules and regulations were bent in order to keep Ferrari's dominance? sheesh....
It is possible it is Aero, dont forget the 2019 Williams was dead last by 2-3 secs with a Merc engine. If so, Binotto is in big trouble. Haas and Alfa weren't exactly top 10 last year either with a "killer" engine
awannagannaful no Haas and Alfa weren’t but Haas was still able to qualify decently well and Alfa was the best of rest on multiple tracks last season. Kimi qualified 6th in Austria last year. So I think the engine is definitely playing a factor here
F1 put up a chart that shows the gains/losses for each team on the qualifying lap compared to last year and its pretty damning. All the merc engines gained about .3 from last year. Hondas were about the same as last year and all three ferrari teams were much slower. Haas lost about .7, alfa .9 and ferrari a whole second.
Joe Sheppard I want to believe that they weren't, and that the stuff they won't release is just some weird tech on a grey area that they want to keep quiet just in case it is allowed under future rules... but they aren't helping themselves, and the longer it goes on, the worse it gets. As a Ferrari fan I wish they would just hold their hands up and be honest, because everyone accepts F1 teams push the boundaries. It makes me wonder whether the secret agreement affected the veto, because that is the big thing that you wouldn't want competitors to know.
Explain why it was dodgy? It wasn't against any rules. So can you blame them fore being innovative? It was only AFTER the FIA saw what Ferrari did and decided to regulate it. I'm sorry but you can't knock the hustle. It's just more hating because that's what everyone loves to do. SMH
As a former technical director Binotto is failing miserably. Taking a leading team and turning it into a midfield team. I am also not happy how he handled Seb . The way things are going Charles will be looking to leave the team. I think Binotto should go.
Was just gonna say that, although i don't know if the 2020 rules are the same as last year because if they aren't, Ferrari might not be able to do that.
I appreciate all the numbers you showed in this video. Particularly, I like that you showed the relative team performances as percentages. It really shows how optimized these cars are
You realize that the rules are going to massively change and anything could happen in 2022 right? Not saying they will have the best car then, but just saying that the performance now doesn’t affect next years(apart from 2021 of course).
I'm afraid they've gone Italian again (passionate but ultimately without the execution needed to get the job done). They throw the baby out with the water when they get rid of people like Aldo Costa, James Allison and others when obviously they would later found success with Mercedes. Aldo, from what I've known is the second in command in the technical department at Ferrari after Ross Brawn and is a great technical mind. But Ferrari post Schumacher, Brawn, Todt, Byrne and Martinelli are too impatient in getting the desired result when it is obvious that you need a bit of time to let the new guys play their hand and lead the team to success again. I'm afraid that the current Ferrari is not going to be able to win the championship unless they have a much more systematic approach about the their technical and racing side
Todt was the main cog in that group of wheels. It's amazing how he was given the time to build up to Michael s arrival, then a further 3 years to win the first constructors.
@@animalcol1 Absolutely. From what I've read, some Italian media dismiss their 3 year target to win their first championship, not being able to look at the fact that you need the ingredients to be absolutely perfect before you can capture the glory. And the result after those initial 3 years speak for themselves
@Ray Banner Yeah, I think the problem isn't this year. It's been since 2010 when the post Todt era didn't take off immediately, and since then have been running in circles playing musical chairs. The loss of Costa was ridiculous, but that was also Alonso's camp's fault pitching forking for the sub-par 2011 car. Of which instead of building on it as it had fair foundations, they revamped everything from scratch to give us... 2012, held together by luck and Alonso.
If Ferrari really was looking to increase slow corner performance by increasing downforce, it’s normal to see a slower car. This seems to have been the case, judging from the testing figures. The engine is obviously slower, that’s hardly surprising, judging from the engine settlement. My inference in this is that Ferrari tried to overcompensate on the lack of downforce from last year, and while they seem to have more downforce, they have added a lot of drag. The SF90’s main advantages were a slippy car that made the most of a questionable power unit, and now both are gone.
When you realize that Ferrari uses F1 to test things for real life cars and have made LaFerrari , Enzo , F50 , F40 ( they have 80 cars on the best 100 cars of all time ).... F1 is just a place to test and try things for real cars dude ... and without the Ferrari there is no F1 ...
@@davidecardinali9998 the F1 cars are real too, I know you mean road cars. Anyway, don't think Ferrari doesn't want to win, they have a history in motorsport and I'm sure they don't want to end it
Your contents are always indepth and excellent but you need to seriously improve your audio quality because it's really hard to hear your voice without the headphones.
If their engine was illegal the FIA would've stripped off their points from last year, like they did with McLaren in '07 albeit for a different issue. I don't think it is illegal but I think they came up with an amazing innovation which is not fair to the rivals according to the FIA and now they've gone in a very different direction with the engine in a short amount of time.
Finally found another briliant formula 1 channel like Driver61. Wasnt easy to find, I had to scroll way down after searching formula 1 to find this channel.
tbh the petronas Yamaha(Quatararo/mobideli) is doing much better then monster Yamaha....mostly because of Quatararo's talent more than anything i suppose
Can they possibly run last year's car for the next race in Austria, and then go back to the updated 2020 car for Hungary? I guess they would still have to use the 2020 engine in the 2019 car because of the new technical directives... Could they at least run the 2019 aero package on the 2020 chassis?
It is easier said then done. There's a lot of paperwork probably necessary for that to happen with all the entry list of chasis and what not, the drivetrain registry and installation on the SF-90. All that hassle and the fact that the SF-90 was behind on pace last year anyways doesn't seem to be as great of an option at the end, not to mention the time and resources spent on that aeropackage for the SF-1000 for the Hungarian GP that will go to waste.
@@armands3153 True, I guess using last year's chassis is out of the question. But they could still implement last year's aero package on the car for the next race. Sure the chassis may be different but they could still do it. I guess it's too late now to make the new parts, but they would for sure benefit, their car after the mid-season break was super fast on the straights and had high downforce. Regardless I think it's pretty shameful that the team with the biggest budget in F1 cannot stay competitive, whilst Mercedes take out 6 championships in a row. I personally am a Red Bull fan but truth be told they are a smaller team with a smaller budget than Mercedes and Ferrari, so winning the championship will always be harder for them till the new regs come in. I have absolutely nothing against Ferrari, they are a great team and the most important team to this sport, but McLaren have half of Ferrari's budget and they are ahead, Racing point have a third of Ferrari's budget and they are ahead (they did copy the merc though). The last 6 years have shown that the teams with the bigger budgets get better performance, and yet Ferrari have screwed up big time, they're in the midfield. Also I think the difference in straight-line speed between this year and last year, makes it glaringly obvious what was going on last year. Sure their radically different aero design will reduce their straight-line speed, but not by 13 km/h. Again, I have nothing against Ferrari as a team, but this is shameful.
@@anotsosexysaxman5914 It's always been about the application of those resources rather than the quantity of it. I still don't understand how could they go backwards with the car instead of some kind of stagnation at the very least... Sure it has to do with all that lockdown from which Ferrari suffered the most, but the winter test seemed way more promising than the outcome of this GP. Is the new car completely different from last year's? Does none of the last year's setup and experience carry over to this year's car? How did it turn out THAT disastrous?
I’m a Ferrari fan, but there’s something about a struggling scuderia that excites me. Maybe they’ll be able to push out of this and get ahead on the up swing in a year’s time? Maybe it’ll force them to reflect on internal culture problems and rethink their approach? Idk, I love to see them win, but i think the struggle and finding a way out of it is the true proof of greatness. I’m sure they will be in contention for a title again someday, but until then, I look forward to watching them fix what’s gone wrong and come back into winning form.
Exactly they put all their efforts in something that wasn't legal and gave a large performance boost, now that is removed they have lost a year of development. But i don't think that's the bad part. Refusing to admit and making a deal that isn't public has done so much damage to the Formula one as a whole that i wouldn't be sorry if they leave the f1.
They are fast tracking the upgrade or at least some of it and bringing it to the Styrian GP before Hungary . This is a very good idea as it means the team will actually be able to if the weather stays dry do a direct fair comparison between the old car and the new updated one as of course the Styrian GP is the 2nd race at the Red Bull Ring the same circuit as the Austrian GP. This 2020 calendar has provided Ferrari with a unique opportunity for direct comparison they wouldnt normally get during a season from one race to the next.
But they will have the problem of learning a brand new track all over while trying to fix the issues. Where the hell is Styria anyway, can't find it on any map ....
dindin duckduck cause they apparently know the problem with aero and I assume a team with money like Ferrari would come up with some sort of a solution
Ferrari 90 years Enzo Ferrari : where is 11 years ? Matthias binotto : not your job Jean and Ross brawn : let us join Ferrari Charles and vettlel : yesssssss!!! Others : best midfield team
I've been a ferrari fan since 2004, i was a young boy back then. I never feel this much of dissappointment. What's a ferrari without straightline speed?
I know nothing about designing the chassis or the engine but 1 second is a huge amount of time to make up and I have never seen a F1 team make that up in a single season.
The engine performance is down from last year, yes from the FIA decision. And they might have turned it down further because of reliability which incidentally was to their benefit as Austria goes, maybe it’s better to finish a race than to be faster than every one and not complete a race.
They are down on power post their settlement with the FIA and it shows, the aero may play a factor but the crux is power. They can gain some mph with aero on the straights but no where close to enough to match what they had last year
Why does everyone enjoy it when Ferrari struggles? Especially fans in the UK. Doesn’t everyone know that if Ferrari leaves F1 it would be the beginning of the end for F1.
Considering Alfa went from 1:04:056 to 1:05:175 and Haas went from 1:04:072 to 1:05:094 they both lost a second as well compared to 2019 qualifying. It paints a pretty clear picture in my opinion, especially looking back and seeing Mercedes unable to pass Ferrari even when using DRS in Monza, or Charles and Max last year here, Max had the inside and DRS, yet Charles was still able to overtake him before the end of the straight somehow, before Max overtook him again the next lap for the win.
If this is a design problem then its probably not going to be solved in a few weeks , in the past when testing was allowed they could , really now you can only test new parts at the track during fridays running , they may not be able to resolve this at all this year , Ferrari may have to end up fighting for the runner up spot in the championship.
once the aero update comes in and they confirm what the aero update is for then we can find out if it's down to drag or what. I don't think it's just the engine. Most of it is the engine but drag plays a part to it you can't be 5 kph slower than a honda on engine power alone
Only criticism of the video would he the length of transition slides which is a very picky thing to say sorry lol. Other than that great video and very informative 😁
Ferrari has lost what the british teams were crying about for years : in season evolution testing . Ferrari had the ultimate advantage to produce and test their parts in fiorano right away to see what is working and what is not , the British could do the same but it was way more expensive for them so they were not able to do it like Ferrari , in 2009 for ''reducing the costs'' the banned testing , so Ferrari as a team was no longer efficient and still is today
When Schumi was driving, Ferrari raced for Ferrari and were an impressive force. For the last two years they've shown that they actually support Mercedes, what with this year having the biggest failures, what a let down.
Im going to be blatant. Vettel is the reason why this year Ferrari is slow. He want a car that is better on corner, which mean possibly more drag. Notice that this year car is faster in corner, but slower in other place. Ferrari should stick to 2019 concept which focus on reducing drag and add a bit downforce, which suit Leclerc well. Vettel has cause more damage than Alonso when both of them in Ferrari. Leclerc should lead the team
Is Vettel also the reason why Haas and Alfa Romeo's cars have slowed down? It's all about the engine. The aero-drag balance is just a blatant excuse from Binotto. He has lied in the past, he lied once again.
I heard somewhere that specifically a Ferrari has problems inside the chassis and the engine is overheated. Supposedly they bring a new package in Hungary and should fix the results. It's possible that a new engine design creates a problem for all the Ferrari's engines. We wait Friday
What was weird is that during the middle of the race, Leclerc’s trap speeds was 285kph and then towards the later part of the race he was doing 315kph.
The pace loss probably comes half from the engine, half from the aero, considering Alfa Romeo and Hass didn't loose the same amount of time than Ferrari, if I remember correctly. BUT, Ferrari is the only team investigate by the FIA. I would like ALL teams to go through the same investigation. Renault and Honda were poor engines until now, and now Ferrari engine would be even worst ? I think this make things suspicious for Ferrari, but also for all other team.
Drag increases as a square of velocity. It should therefore be possible to calculate from those 2019 and 2020 speed trap figures (all 3 of them) whether the drop is due to power unit performance or aerodynamics. If plotted on a line, a more draggy car with a similar engine should at first accelerate quite similarly, but closer to top speeds it should have a clear and sharp drop in performance. It isn't an exact science though without engine mapping information, but should give a relatively strong argument one way or another.
So, by my quick calculations, the differences between Ferrari speeds in 2019 compared to 2020 are: Speed Trap: 4,29% Finish line: 3,77% Sector 1: 4,90% Immediately we face a problem. The Finish line speed is very much interlinked with the apex soeed of the last corner. So, if someone has Leclerc's Q3 apex speeds from the last turn from 2019 and 2020, that would be helpful. The same goes for Turn 1. If we suppose the 2020 Ferrari has more downforce and drag, it should be able to carry more speed through the high-speed corner, thus bringing down the speed delta at the Finish line. There's also another interesting approach. The required power to push an object through a fluid (such as air) increases as the cube of velocity. If we assumed the 2020 Ferrari speed deficit is down to engine power alone, counting from the official speed trap figures it would mean Ferrari has lost 15.4% of its horsepower in qualifying Most likely it is a mix of the two. I might go into this in more detail if I can get the apex speeds from somewhere. On top of that, I'm frankly quite poor at maths. Oh, while we're at it, is there any way to get lap-by-lap race speed trap data from somewhere for both 2019 and 2020?
Ferrari lost their way when Todt left them, they don't have be a leader and continue to make a lot of mistakes, they stupidly let Allison go to Mercedes...
I think James wanted out. I believe it was to be closer to his family at home in the UK. However, he's no fool and would have seen what way the wind was blowing.....
Just too much reliance in a fast engine and not in a fast car .Red Bull has a slower engine but a great car . Now they have a slower engine and lots of work to do
