The Future Of Paper Magic Is Not What We Thought | Dies To Removal # 40 

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Editor doing the little zoom in and focuses on who's talking every now and then to give the episode a more animated feel than most fixed camera talking podcasts, your work is seen and appreciated

I feel sad as I ve only attended one major GP and at the time I thought "thats fine, I ll grow up, have more money and will visit a plenty more GPs". Now I'm a grownup, I have money to travel (around Europe at least), I have cards but there are no more GPs and travel is very restricted as well.

im always gonna prefer paper magic over online. it just feels better.

I love kitchen table magic. I believe that it is the purest form of magic the gathering!

The pauper protest is a great story. Props to those madlads

The joy of Taco Bell is that eating it is one of the most forceful reminders of the sheer banality of life. That seven-layer burrito is incredibly... there. It's inoffensive. It has flavours, but nothing that would cause you to remark on them. Its presence is its feature.

The episode we reference, The 5 Year Plan To Cut Paper Magic Support can be viewed here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-MMVZpPlCCE4.html It also includes "Steamed Hams, But Magic The Gathering."

There is nothing quite as satisfying as sleeving up a heavily played Demonic Tutor. Relish in the history, the love,

The magic club at my school is mainly commander. Some new people came in with their 60 card decks, so I sat down for the first time in years and played some casual 60 card games and it was crazy fun, way more than I got from commander games in the past. I still enjoy both, but I think 1v1 is my favorite

New Dies to removal without huge gaps between episodes… life is good 🤩

Paper Magic for me as someone who started back in Winter of 1996 with "Deutsch Limitiert" (German Black Border Revised with Duals and all), Homelands, Ice Age, Mirage etc. i have fond memories of being 10 years old and going to the small Fantasy/TCG/RPG Shop in the next bigger Town and spend all Day going through the MTG "5 Pfennig(Cent) per Card" Cardboxes with Friends and start collecting and then playing on the Floor in that Store and at Home and i've been collecting since then. That Store Owner had a half-burnt Alpha Black Lotus framed above the Counter, back then an Alpha Black Lotus was about 300 Deutsche Mark (so like 300-400 bucks) and even back then we thought "Wow! a Card is worth 300 bucks! and he burnt it accidentally!" - I wonder what that Owner thinks about his half burnt Alpha Black Lotus now, i bet it's still framed haha. But yeah Paper Magic is essential for me and most People i know who play and collect as long as i do. Thank God Saffron Olive isn't an e-sports/competitive MTG Player, he's one of the last people who plays Brews & Jank and doesn't care much about the Deck being competitive. Too many Content Creators (Not you two either, thank god!) always play the same Decks or purely Tier 1 Decks, which gets boring very fast. Prost & Cheers from the Snow-Covered Bavarian Alps here in Germany

They totally realized how much work would go into keeping arena working.

Sometimes it's not only about the Wizards. In some countries a lot depends on the local distributors WHO work with Wizards, the distributors who are responsible for all paper magic and promotion of the game within a certain state. I can say that in Russia for instance the distrbutors' activity has been in a constant decline for several years (it started before the pandemic, so we can't blame it on that). We haven't seen any promos for Commander legends, nor the ones for Love your LGS etc. Now they are telling us that the release of Kamigawa and Double feature is going to be delayed for some weird logistics reasons. From what we can see in our local community - distribution of Magic in Russia has been locked up in some person's hands (literally, it's just one or two individuals doing that) for quite some time, and currently these persons have got tired (or just lazy) of doing their job but at the same time they don't want to let it go. This confusion and almost total lack of support is now building up in our community and we are about to create a collective petition to the Wizards in order to make them look at our problem and solve it somehow.

Never caught one this early Im sure it is going to be entertaining

Every episode of DTR is a gem, the chemistry between you and Vince is genuine and creates real honest discussion and original thought. So happy it’s made it so many episodes, I certainly appreciate the both of you and what you do for the community.

I've got weekly kitchen table magic games that are more memorable and sought after than any online match I've played. Same goes for any draft or event.

I’ve been buying various draft boxes to play later with a group of friends. I love having the cards in hand. I use arena to learn, but ultimately I want tangibility and hanging out with people who play.

Just started playing magic in December of 2021 and I can’t get behind arena I personally love paper cards and started using spelltable to utilize webcams to play online with friends. Spelltable is really cool with a bit of work on the video card tracking it would be perfect.

I spent the first minute of the video waiting for the funny part of the skit to start up and then realised that you'd eschewed the cold open this episode

Fun agriculture fact: Some crops grow best if you burn them after harvest, leaving the ashes as fertile soil for the next year's crop. So your metaphor is pretty on point.

I'll be honest, I can absolutely see a future where you bring a tablet to a friends house and play magic with your digital decks. This opens up a lot of really, really cool ideas that I saw come to life in Japanese arcades over a decade ago. That being said, seeing the state of arena, that future looks grim.

great episode but im honestly just impressed with how much the audio has improved. I watched the referenced episode when it came out and didnt think much of it but your newer videos sound amazing

I play a lot of paper Magic via zoom, whereby, etc. allows me to enjoy Magic with friends across the county and in Europe, and is much more enjoyable for me than Arena or MTGO. Playing in person is still my favorite, but this has been a good workaround.

I'm 30 years old and growing up, I learned about Magic from watching 3 older cousins play it. They were playing multiplayer. I'm from a small town and it never had a local game store of any kind. I didn't even know that there was competitive play until I was in college. I learned the game playing multiplayer with my two brothers. Then in college I learned about EDH and have almost exclusively played that and have played it with at least 4 players. I wonder how unique my experience really is. I've never known about FNM or GPs or any of that before watching it mentioned it in RU-vid and the idea of playing head to head with a stranger is just not very appealing to me whatsoever. None of my friends or family have played competitively in all this time. Yet we all love the game. When I think about Magic the Gathering, I think about multiplayer. Just felt like sharing my personal experience, I guess.

The problem with broadcasted magic tournaments is they never had good broadcasting personalities that could take the lead and make it entertaining for a general audience

When it comes to me spending money as a customer. I'm not going to pump money into an app but I will invest money into magic the gathering cards....paper cards get my paper.

I Loved the idea of Taco Bell tokens in 50:30... It is funny because I have a 'devour deck' in which I use PISTACHIOS as SAPROLING TOKENS; and when I 'devour' them, I eat all the Saproling tokens (the pistachios) It is funny and delicious ! I liked this podcast a lot. You have many good points that the community has thought about. But you have put words to our thoughts. Thank you. (Edit for typos)

DTR is the highest quality MTG content on the platform, thanks Prof and *Vince*

A great morning video to start the day with!

I just think about how, in 50 years, if the game has gone completely down the drain and online support is gone, at least I can bust out these old paper cards and tell my grandkids about what it was like

Paper games with my friends at home is by far my absolute favourite way to play magic

Professor is awesome. I love that they have no shoes on. Like two buddies talking shop in the living room. Very down to earth.

...........and right after this podcast Alchemy was born. R.I.P paper magic (1993 - 2021)

I always enjoy your lowkey economical talk about distribution and the thought processes behind that ^^.

I was hoping another of these would arrive soon 🙏

On the secret lair conversation. I had quit for about a decade. A secret lair came across my feed and that's actually what brought me back

I died laughing immediately upon seeing this thumbnail. I'm only sad because I'm still catching up on the podcast. Stellar content as always. Was a good laugh.

Whew,what a relief! I saw the thumbnail and thought,"My God,who are those two old geezers,and what have they done to the Professor and Vince?" 🤣🤣🤣

The premium game store thing is so weird. I live in the Boston area, there is not a premium store that is less than an hour away from Boston. The legendary Pandemonium Books and games of Cambridge, where basically everyone who plays magic (and many other games) and works or goes to school in Boston goes to play is somehow not one. New Hampshire, where I grew up, Vermont, and Maine do not have a single premium store. You either need to go to that store an hour out of Boston or I guess be SOL. At least for NH, it is not like it is hard to find a LGS, growing up I couldn't throw a rock without hitting one. What a weird program.

You know that was the longest skit you've made yet for this show, I'm impressed.

I will say; I was an off and on Magic player pre-pandemic, but got really into playing Arena for about the past year during the pandemic. However last night I went to an actualCommander draft for FNM and it was so fun to actually talk to people, rather than alone at my computer screen. I also bought a bunch of product to play paper more often. I hope paper stays strong!!

Great conversation. It would be really interesting to see what you would have said about alchemy in the context of paper v digital and the longevity of the later. Thanks again.

Great talk as always.

Prediction: "someone is going to make money out of Magic" You guys should have a Horoscope channel.

The best part about Magic is The Gathering. Gathering with friends in person to play games is always going to be leaps and bounds better than any online game. The peak of multiplayer video games was the system link days because you may have been playing a video game but you were gathered with your friends in person.

For some reason I only noticed pleasntkenobi being aged up in the thumbnail. Was wondering why the prof was speaking to slavoj zizek.

I like your point alot about 1v1 catching up to commander. I learned to play magic through Commander and have played other formats very VERY little in the past 6 years of playing. Yet I find myself gravitating towards other formats more and more these days, as I am wanting something a little different time to time.

When I first started playing Magic: The Gathering, I was told that once you get good, you can make money since Wotc pays you in tournaments, that’s what compensated the overly expensive packs. I’m starting to think most people don’t believe that Wotc owes something to competitive paper mtg players

What a great way to start my day. Time to watch!

As much as I love over-the-table TCGs in a casual setting the digital clients are almost always going to be my preference for competitive play. No calling a judge over rules conflicts, no worrying that your opponent is doing something underhanded, no oppressive smell of body odor, and the cards are far more accessible than they are in paper.

I think all of the evaluations here are correct with one minor tweek. They are now intending to cycle through focuses every couple years. Focusing on different product sets every couple years spikes interest and generates more money. It will cycle back to online again in a few years

Thanks for another excellent video!

Professor- Seeing how Wizard's has behaved in recent years, I'm wondering just how much of this is prediction and how much of what they're doing is life imitating art.

Genuinely hope this prediction of paper magic booming turns true, as recent times has not looked good. If they can genuinely get organised play events for paper sorted out (go Huey go) then maybe there's hope, but the damage is already happening to local stores. The longer they delay, the harder the climb back might be.

Prof bringing up the "Donut" comment again at 45:24 again absolutely cracked me up!

Thanks for mentioning Pokémon. As a 41 year old man with 4 young kids that grew up playing MTG I am now all in on the Pokémon TCG. I would really appreciate more content about it. I will shortly join your Patreon and make a request there as well. I haven’t been watching for a couple years and now I am just as enthused as ever to play some table top games again. I didn’t know that Wizards of the Coast developed the Pokémon card game. It now makes more sense to me why I used to watch the gameplay at my LGS in Las Vegas and be intrigued somewhat by the gameplay. Your a gem amongst youtubers my friend and I am happily back enjoying your intelligent content once again! Take care and I raise a glass to you good sir!!

Arena fails on two points: Cost of entry to play and the basics of what Magic is: a TRADING CARD GAME. Without a thriving card economy and being able to buy tickets and trade for cards you need it just fails. Zero interest in putting money into that hole.

The idea of 1v1 being a palette cleanser to commander really resonated with me. I want to play with all the guild kits again!

You both look fantastic in the thumbnail. No matter what the future of magic looks like, it looks like your guys future is looking bright

Great episode :)

I still do everything I can to try and go to the Lgs just to try and play commander with people even now, it’s the only thing keeping me interested in the game

Nice Video Man! 👍 🔥

I'm sad there wasn't a skit at the start of the episode, they make my day I hope they aren't gone forever.

The pure joy of cracking packs not knowing what you'll get is what got me into magic in 1998. Digital will never replace that feeling for me.

Watching this latest DTR talk about the state of MtG arena while also having witnessed the launch and reactions to Yugioh’s new Master Duel, it’s all very quaint really. Konami, one of the most shameless and greediest Triple A gaming company on the planet, knew how to get things right about a digital card game platform that’s also influenced by its paper product.

WOTC saw the secondary singles market and thought, "how can we get into that?" ... and secret lairs was born.

i just got to say whoever did the old prof and kenobi makeup did a fantastic job.

As someone who joined by playing commander, Arena actually got me into 1v1 magic. I loved Historic (until Alchemy) and it actually got me to start playing modern at FNM. And just like you said, it's been the perfect palette cleanser for games of EDH. It scratches a competitive itch I didn't know I had, and it's help me be much less salty than before.

I hope you guys do more webcam recordings because you guys tie with Drive to Work and Good Morning Magic for my favorite Magic content.

I would love to see a video explaining more about the pauper protest you talked about

The old Vince and Prof are amazing, very well done. Made me laugh.

Got to love the old man in the Vans t-shirt

I feel like seeing those passionate people in the community draw in a lot of new players, especially in the lgs.

I think you were partly right about prereleases Professor. The Kamigawa prerelease window is Feb 11-17, but the tabletop release date is just a day later on the 18th. In addition, the Arena release is Feb 10th! I think its safe to say that prediction was at least partly correct.

Yeah, I like my dice and life counters and mats too much to give up on paper. Oh yeah and then there's no hassle when wanting to play with your friends. It's livelier and you don't have to have headphones in order to talk.

Just watched the NRG series Legacy on Twitch and loved it!!! I sure hope some GP type tournaments will come back after the covid.

‘Yo quiero pay the one’ is my new favorite phrase and I want it on a shirt.

MTG vegas was a huge boost and I hope more events like that happen. really helped showcase what magic really is. art, friends, and fun games.

Evaluating prior predictions is crucial and more people need to do it.

I always catch myself dancing in my seat at the outro music

What an hour of delightful banter.

I literally brought up building 1v1 decks to my commander playgroup before this video dropped for the exact reason you stated haha

Might be Can Highlander that's the 1v1 format that takes off as I see more and more players in my area picking it up. Although they use proxies for the "High" end cards.

That editing bit at 41:50 was hysterical

THE OUTRO SONG IN THIS VIDEO WAS AMAZING

Old School magic is completely player driven and we have tons of tournaments throughout the year and all over the world. As long as there are people who enjoy playing magic, there will be magic tournaments with or without wotc. #micdrop

oh mylanta that thumbnail is marvelous

I would love for weekly or bi-monthly episodes of DTR. Even subscribed and *belled* I unfortunately never notice when a new one is uploaded so I get a few backlogged and then a lot of topics are typically out of date.

I've only been in magic for about a year (great channel by the way! Huge help) and I wanted to mention that the pandemic has been getting a bunch of people (like me) into more tactile and physical hobbies because of how much went digital because of COVID. I think this might year of profits might be a huge boom from new players that started playing recently, and so much fresh blood might- hopefully- pressure wotc to pay more attention to paper magic in the future. But who knows, it might not be as much of a boost of new players as I'm thinking.

I really hope that I do get to watch "The future of Magic is 1v1" two years down the line. I really want the part of magic that I enjoy to reach the same level as the part that I am not a fan of.

I think major events going to third parties could have a positive side effect that's kind of hinted at with the mentioned Charmander tokens, which is to say, the allowance of proxies. If specifically unsanctioned events become a thing, who's to stop event organizers from allowing some form or another of proxies in, say, a Legacy tournament they choose to run? In a roundabout way, it could _improve_ accessibility into formats like that, specifically with reserve list cards. It would also be an opportunity for WotC to circumvent the list as well by selling, say, some kind of special "commemorative" version of the cards that "aren't tournament legal" except, you know, as proxies in events WotC doesn't sanction (like gold bordered cards).

I'm so old school... maybe because I'm 50 too.. I love the feel of paper in my hands and I used to not play with sleeves!! I know ! I know! I finally sleeved up ..but yeah I looked back on playing with unsleeved moxes and beta rares... 😬. But still love the paper.

I have by weekly games, cube draft and commander, my paper collection is always growing

I prefer paper magic but having a computer shuffle for me in .02 seconds is a beautiful thing

Thumbnail looking real. Time is scary concept.

Prof, what to you think about Wotc interest in Pauper and the creation of the "Pauper comittee"?

My favorite podcast. Two old men yelling at clouds. Cheers guys.

Is there a compilation of "YOU HAVE A RU-vid CHANNEL?!" out there? If not... I need to get on that.

Thumbnail is amazing.