The Gay Urge to Compare Female Divas

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Nicki Minaj vs Cardi B, Beyonce vs Rihanna, Whitney vs Mariah carey. These stan wars and debate have existed for years and continue to persist. I wanted to take a look at what these stan wars could mean within the context on queer folk. What has our relationship been to our female divas over the years and attempt to explain our weird devotion to them. What are your thoughts
The patreon version of this video with extra chit chat and some hot takes is currently being edited and will be up for your viewing pleasure by 8 pm tonight.
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@SaveThatMoney411 Год назад

This man is well-moisturized.

@concernedg7636 Год назад

It's killing me. He is literally glowing. I need a skincare video

@ensulalachance8353 Год назад

😂😂😂

@gaylefranklin 6 месяцев назад

He certainly is. And the pleasure of seeing a comment that doesn’t address his “eloquence”, “diction” and “articulation”………. I swear, I shouldn’t be ready to fight in these comments but our allies are shakey af and he deserves so much better.

@trashketchum9782 3 месяца назад

@gaylefranklin yeah there’s quite a lot of that. Herby is genuinely an amazing speaker and orator so i get the urge to compliment him on it. but there are other ways to express that without the racist undertones

@petercampbell8284 Год назад

I actually like his use of academic vernacular to popularize the conversations that would normally take place inside the walls and echo chambers of college classrooms. Continue to grow Herbie into the public social commentator and public intellectual that you can be.

@notcosteffective9920 Год назад

I disagree. Im not a fan of using academic secondary language to describe issues felt innately. It’s corny.

@TheeRealKamesha Год назад

I say this every time I watch his videos . His level of intelligence is great . A very well spoken/ educated black man !

@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024 8 месяцев назад

@@notcosteffective9920Girl bye.

@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024 8 месяцев назад

@@TheeRealKameshaWell spoken?

@gaylefranklin 6 месяцев назад

@@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024 I know…. WHY in AD 2023 do ppl who would normally present themselves as an ally or progressive… WHY do they not see the problem? They breezily hit post, tweet, send without a clue as to how they reveal themselves.

@remytherat2929 Год назад

“That script teaches us how to hate women not how to love them. we’re trying to love them but we’re failing” whewww I fr said damn out loud when I heard that

@kinkycoconutx Год назад

“You can’t build a house with a sponge and a dildo. It just will never work, beloved!” ON THE FLOOR😂

@killingthemood2000 Год назад

In honor of your request... "A *diva* is a female* version of a hustler" - Beyonce The way this woman has guided every era of my consciousness. I finally acknowledged her power during Lemonade and I never turned back. It's great to have a better understanding of why I stan and respect her presence so much

@senescence57 Год назад

Tell me why I wanted to make the same reference?

@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024 8 месяцев назад

I acknowledged her power in Destiny Child and stayed forever 😭

@sabrinabaskerville Год назад

I LOVE this video. I often say that other people forget that Gay men are still men, and likely had some level of socialization that supports that. With that being said I also make sure I paraphrase Audre Lorde right after that, because Patriarchy truly does not care about your gender identity or sexual orientation when it comes to choosing who to oppress. It takes on unique forms whenever it worms it’s way through any community. It’s up to the people within those communities/intersections to identify, analyze and hopefully work through what those forms are. Another well thought out sociological analysis! 🙌🏾👏🏾

@FlyestDesign Год назад

As a straight man who wishes to have a deeper understanding of all spaces. Your delivery is eloquent, witty, and charismatic. Bravo

@nameisamine Год назад

Not you and Khadija posting at the same time! Your contribution to her video essay was 👌 👏

@commandery3574 Год назад

interesting question but i’m curious if/how much colorism plays a role. i noticed that in your thumbnail, you had primarily lighter skinned singers and then of course, the late legend Whitney Houston. There’s a connection in my mind with (some) darker skinned gay men in particular and their almost worship of these lighter skinned divas. I wonder if that yer another iteration of the colorism we see in the community with (some) straight black men. It’s very interesting to me. This stuff goes deep.

@cmg25 Год назад

Short answer: Yes.

@chanellllllll8190 10 месяцев назад

Wow.. didnt even think of this. I love how intellectual everyone in this comment section is, i learn something new every time.

@samkeefer7193 9 месяцев назад

Yup, colorism/desirability go hand in hand in our society

@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024 8 месяцев назад

Idk, I see alot of them worship Darkskin divas more than anyone else

@fluffbytepresents Год назад

female diva. just found u today thru the collab u did in Khadija Mbowe's new video. thanks for starting hard conversations about intersectional issues in the queer community -Thornbyte

@OE2023 Год назад

whaaaaaat they did a collab I'm so glad my recommended brought them to me loveeeee

@noahzero9380 Год назад

Yes yes. I have an insatiable urge to put Beyoncé above all celebrity women. This needs to be addressed.

@lexidimaria927 Год назад

As a messy gay that you are of course you will say that. Nobody put beyonce above others singers only her fan base just like other singers fans put their favorite singer above every other singers

@lexidimaria927 Год назад

This unnecessary hate agaist beyonce needs to stop always comes from messy gays like you

@PerryPerfectPerson Год назад

Well, Beyoncé is the best of the best of mainstream. It’s just fact.

@CHEETAH69 Год назад

It makes sense though.

@Morning404 Год назад

Mariah for me.

@doodle3446 Год назад

female diva! Whew this topic is a good one, the obsession with pitting women against each other with numbers, sales, appearance, streams, past incidents, and private life on stan twitter is disturbing. It's amazingly wild that so many of the gays dedicate all this time calculating the success of one woman just to tear down and attack another woman. It's almost like a sport at this point 😒

@pj-ge8er Год назад

Thank you for doing this. It's one of reasons I left Facebook. Janet, Mariah, Madonna, Beyonce. One has to go 🤦‍♂️

@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024 8 месяцев назад

Madonna can go. 💀

@gaylefranklin 6 месяцев назад

@@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024 It’s cute watching you try, but Madonna will hold her seat. Now, would you be a lamb and tap Mariah Carey on the shoulder for me?

@n2essence Год назад

In a weird way, this is really made me cry. And I'm not sure why. But it did.

@marklouis1890 Год назад

New subscriber. I'm queer and proud. I do not need one month of validation or praise. I am queer 365 days of the year 🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍🌈. Love your content, so far 😊😊😊

@marshmello3455 Год назад

I like how you highlighted the potentially dehumanizing and objectifying nature of pedestalization. It's something I think about quite a bit from the inside. I'm obviously no Beyonce, but I have interactions with people who perform a much lesser version of this script. "We're trying to love them," is right, I think. It doesn't come from a malicious place, but it can still hurt. Anytime we interact with a person as an object (be that an object of derision or worship), it can hurt because we are failing to acknowledge their base humanity foremost.

@Torihaze00 Год назад

Heyyo, bw here! Just want to say this video essay is amazingly thought provoking and so eloquently done. I love the self reflection and the deep thought and I feel like your points were so easily understood. I feel like I learned something my damn self lol. We really are magical when we all come together 😂❤. Also love your collab with Khadija. 🔥👏🏾Happy Pride to you and your loved ones. 🎊

@torileslie530 Год назад

Omg we have the same name 🥰🥰 I liked the breakdown of this video. I love how a gay man is calling out the almost “negative” side of the tendency that some gay men do such as pit them against each other. I feel like it should be talked about more by ppl in their own space/community.

@Torihaze00 Год назад

@@torileslie530 ohhh yayyy twins!! 😂 And yeah I agree I like video essays that are more self reflecting of one’s own community.

@thestylingtwins 11 месяцев назад

Yes! Totally agree! Loved his honesty.

@chloeperdue5046 Год назад

Female diva!!! This was an awesome video! It reminded me about a video I saw on the Wild West that is tiktok, where a gay man was talking about the vagina in a not so great way, but then another gay man stitched it and reminded ppl that this is misogynistic, which is very much is. I think this video was great in opening up conversations in the gay community!

@wandisilesomdyala6834 Год назад

The comedic relief of the fan going the wrong way gets me EVERYTIME😍😂.

@yvonnenoel7206 Год назад

I adore listening to you. You are so Brilliant. Happy PRIDE 🌈

@jeanoediaw8945 Год назад

When I listen to female artist it feels like they give me the permission to be my true authentic self 💖💖💖💖💖💖💖 they make me feel appreciate it, they make me feel like I can take on anything in life 💖💖💖💖💖💖💖.

@KhaosTalks Год назад

The vocabulary alone is everything‼️

@Chuuzus Год назад

"and if you are white and confused" lmaoooo!

@thiccums277 Год назад

Yes this. They are horrible on Twitter and ik it’s all jokes but at some point it stops being funny

@daniellemoxey9940 Год назад

Female Diva‼️ The disection this dynamic was so perfectly done!!! Not one word wasted, not one point incorrect. Thank you for putting language to the intricacies of our lives. As a cis-het woman I'm finally happy to have the words to describe the reciprocated love between black women and black gay men/femmes, furthermore our united love for our Divas. It's so helpful to unpack that even in my fandom if certain elements go unchecked, i too can peddle in mysogynoir/misogyny. You deserve a doctorate for this dissertation 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

@ProspectivePlans Год назад

FEMALE DIVA!!! HAVE THE A PRIDETASTIC PRIDE MONTH & thank you for making my life more colorful 🌈 with your content

@JGWatches Год назад

This is a great discussion and it reminds me of something that happened a little while ago. I am with this group and we were all asked to list people who inspired us and I naturally listed Beyoncé lol and when I was explaining why, this dude was basically like I guess and said he like Michael Jackson and his music. In my mind, I was thinking this goes beyond music lol but I could not find the words to express how much bigger the connection is for me and I think other people in our community. With this discussion, you really put it into words and I would love to see more literature about the connection.

@ahmarindungu9010 Год назад

When I see gay men especially black gay man it hurts I’ve seen three group together to drag pregnant women and their bodies Nobody should be talking about peoples bodies but seeing men do that is horrible

@lolomar Год назад

im a gay man and have seen gay men judging women’s bodies, but i’ve never seen a gay man make fun of a woman who was pregnant, that’s a new low lol.

@ahmarindungu9010 Год назад

@@lolomar yeah I’ve had to report many of them they were calling them big and talking about their waist and butts……. Then after all that of people defending them they proceeded to say the babies were born a year or more ago so they should’ve snapped back 😟

@KnowledgeSeeker78491 Год назад

@@ahmarindungu9010 Now was this online? In real life black gay men aren't in the best shape themselves

@ahmarindungu9010 Год назад

@@KnowledgeSeeker78491 online and real life I would’ve never thought someone would be so bold

@BozeDoesGodsWork Год назад

@@KnowledgeSeeker78491Nah some of them actually are on their P’s and Q’s and tend to mind their business. It’s the younger ones that are more rowdy and bold when they’re with their friends. This behavior usually last until about 22-23.

@raneshawilliams5847 Год назад

I love conversations like this.❤ Thank you😊

@eddyquara Год назад

ATE! I’ve been mulling over this topic for a minute. Thank you for synthesizing these idea 💕

@cadyg2531 Год назад

Always coming through with the conversations and topics we wanna dissect 👏🏾

@traceeford2914 11 месяцев назад

Love this kind of work. It's thoughtful and thorough. Thank you.

@jackputnam4273 Год назад

just found your channel thru khadija’s videos and i’m so excited to watch!!

@sharonbaker3007 Год назад

Ooh great timing Herby!!!

@h.r4017 Год назад

Sharooon!!! Thank you friend. I try chile 🥹🫶🏿

@flyfye6458 Год назад

You speak very eloquently❤ I thoroughly enjoy your contact. I look forward to your growth as a social commentator

@no-one00 Год назад

These conversations you have are very helpful. I’m gonna be a future superstar and I have been moved with your work.. the future has been touched by you fr.

@h.r4017 Год назад

Oouuuu this is gonna be interesting

@cindyfleur808 Год назад

Female Diva!! Loved this dissection. Always putting out amazing content! Giving you your flowers RIGHT NOW🌹🌹🌹 Thank you 💕

@kelly-annmaddox Год назад

Wow. I was a minute in when I subbed. ❤ The script for this video is immaculate and so thought-provoking.

@1-of-1 Год назад

This video solidified why everyone should subscribe to this channel. ❤ Amazing job, iconic takes, and worth every millisecond of my time. Keep killing the entertainment/social industry we need you Herby.

@msellaloca Год назад

Yes!

@mme1vis Год назад

Female Diva! These videos are not long enough! Could listen all day

@EmauniSimone Год назад

I love your channel you hit topics on the head every time

@keilime7 9 месяцев назад

Female Diva! Pure YES to this entire video. Your content is *everything* I needed and didn’t know I was missing. Keep doing your thang, boo 💜

@Tthomasia1 Год назад

So happy I’ve l found your channel I’m about to binge watch

@MD-zr1wy Год назад

This video was very entertaining, and I absolutely love your enthusiasm, expression and intellect. You are a true entertainer ❤️

@SatansRoerhat 11 месяцев назад

I'm so glad to be here 🎉🎉🎉

@LockandKeyHyena Год назад

found you through khadija’s content and you’re so good! instant sub

@rayvenrivera8745 Год назад

Female diva😁😁😁 love the discussion. Can't wait for next week discussion sounds very intriguing!!!

@rayvenrivera8745 Год назад

Oh I'm A #Lamb

@aniahmiles8686 Год назад

Female Diva ✨ Luv u tew bad Herby 🥰 always a good time when we clock in

@ohladysamantha Год назад

female diva! I'm subscribing between this and your collab with khadija... I'm loving it!

@mrsparkle9048 Год назад

Love your vid, I caught you on your cameo over at Khadija's channel. The parasocial analysis around 22:20 was especially good. Keep it up!

@KingZeusAntonio Год назад

I’m at work, but I’ll be watching once i get home.

@essbee1641 Год назад

I just wanted to I discovered you through Khadija Mbowe's most recent video and have been bingeing your past videos. Subscribed!

@fumanimabilane7366 Год назад

I’m early this time 🇿🇦…❤️❤️❤️

@hazelverse Год назад

new to your channel and about 5 min in and i’m living for your vibe. 💕

@hazelverse Год назад

i am a FEMALE DIVA 💕🙃

@senescence57 Год назад

A trans version of this convo would be really interesting too. I find trans women to be less likely to participate in queer stan toxicity, but I think there's overlap in the expectation for the (hyper)feminine to shield queer people from cishet patriarchal attack.

@dejstoney Год назад

My theory is trans women have transition to women. So they don’t feel like they need to worship the standard of women like gay men since they have already become the standard.

@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024 8 месяцев назад

They very much do participate at the same level 😭 They’re just less toxic and more intelligent.

@roach2420 Год назад

14:21 thiss !! you made so many good points omg! cant wait for the next video lol alsoo i came from khadijas video, you did a great job covering bi men! :) female diva ;p

@tlg- Год назад

This was a thoroughly excellent video I---

@HoneyGoldJasmine Год назад

Love your content Herb!! Female diva 💖

@18sln Год назад

Female diva! This was a great video and I'm really looking forward to your next one!

@msintutive8694 Год назад

Female Divaaaaaa!!!! Sending love from New Orleans hun❤️🥂

@obusisayo Год назад

lloooovve this video💕 female diva!❣️

@endinek 11 месяцев назад

female diva 💕💕 thank you this video healed me

@eronibale2942 Год назад

Female diva. Love this convo. So true.

@AllieoreoCraii Год назад

“it just wont work beloved” LMFAOOO PLS u just got a new subscriber 😂 i love it here!

@AllieoreoCraii Год назад

female divaaaa💋✨💖🫶🏾

@chanellllllll8190 10 месяцев назад

I love your channel sooo much, you deserve way more popularity. You have such a beautiful way with words, keep it up! ❤ (dont forget me when you’re at 100k subs)

@missrespectful Год назад

You gagged me in the first 9 minutes 😱

@UNDERC0NSTRUCTI0N Год назад

“Female diva” great video 😘

@Kenny-lz3gh Год назад

The title of this video is just perfect😂

@Beccathree Год назад

Female diva omg love you first video I’ve seen and won’t be my last

@CeeMeeZee Год назад

First time here. When you popped that fan, I fluffed my pillow. 😂 Let's see what it do. Leggo!

@coreyo.conner7897 11 месяцев назад

19:28 hit me like a frickin 🧱

@charnellduncan9932 Год назад

Female Diva😛, this video is everything and more!!!

@popkultureguru1596 Год назад

I definatley agree that gay men can absolutley be misogynistic towards the women we stan, however i do feel like some not all of those critiques are rooted in homophobia for sure.

@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024 8 месяцев назад

Explain?

@popkultureguru1596 8 месяцев назад

@@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024 i feel like artist particularly straight female artist only want gay men to “shut up and buy the music” but the moment u give an opinion and move out of the Gay Best Friend or Gay Hairstyles archetype and give commentary or thoughts about said artist then all of the sudden “where men in women’s buisness” which to me is a homophobic dog whistle. Cause were we not “men in women’s buisness” when were gagging at ur music videos or buying ur album/ tour tickets. What changed? 🧐

@KAM-rl6tz Год назад

Female diva. Subscribed!

@artisthonyajta Год назад

Thank you for making this video. It's been so nasty the way some queer men treat female artists who have given so much to the community. The wars between Janet, Madonna, Whitney, Mariah, Beyonce, Ariana, etc have been so nasty and a lot of the time it involves body shaming. A lot of queer men forget that evil though they are queer (and that has so many hardships with it), they're still men who were conditioned in a society that was ingrained to dislike women. As a community, we gotta stop disrespecting women and putting them against each other.

@WodaCorkaTkaczki Год назад

Female diva, I'm so happy that I found Kadija, and thanks to them i found you Homegirl❤

@vitoria.no.c Год назад

2:00 in and its 🔥🔥🔥

@Cflenoury Год назад

Heyyy Herby. Hope you’re doing good lovey 🫶🏾

@lilidonna Год назад

female diva. ps. the drama with the iconic fan was pure delight

@alexislove7743 Год назад

About the Judy garland thing, I think you have to think about the gay men on that time and the difference in expression and what empowerment was back then

@pastorprosecco6429 Год назад

Female Diva! Made it to the end!

@tonidiane6153 Год назад

Sidenote: I love watching you fight with that fan. 😂

@FabalociousDee Год назад

22:40 Sir. SIR. 🤣🤣🤣

@fatimazehrademiriz1730 Год назад

let’s go to istanbul pride togetherrrre love ya energy ✨💖🫶🏼

@notyourfriend8881 Год назад

"Dookie booty" took me out!

@june45628 11 месяцев назад

Just found your videos! Amazing content #femalediva

@tacrewgirl Год назад

Good dissection of this type of misogyny and where it comes from.

@gtg488w 11 месяцев назад

Wow you are so smart and fabulous, I need to read some books or something

@noraheist 11 месяцев назад

I find it really endearing how you describe the para-social relationship of gay men living through women, like a helicopter mom would to their teen daughter who has all the youth she doesn't have anymore a career and power she could have or already has that SHE could no more. Maybe that's why the gays had such an attachment to the Disney villain QUEENS. They saw themselves in them.

@lanzinator4734 Год назад

💖💖💖

@PourLaMourDeLargent Год назад

excuse me ma’am, may i ask that you drop the link for the super ICONIC hand fan you’ve brandished in this video pls?

@malaikatyembile5049 Год назад

Female Diva purr 💅🏾

@ThePointlessChoice Год назад

female diva❤️❤️

@moonlitegamer Год назад

Female Diva!!!! Lol. I'm curious because I always felt like queer/gay men are black women's allies true and through although some black women are not in allyship with gay men some of us are and it's a beautiful symbiotic relationship.

@edwardcalloway2661 10 месяцев назад

Love to you queen. We appreciate you and are in solidarity 🙏❤

@moonlitegamer 10 месяцев назад

@@edwardcalloway2661 💜🩷

@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024 8 месяцев назад

I find it extremely beautiful as well. And I LOVEEEE IT!💖

@karsan412 11 месяцев назад

Female Diva! 💖

@kat_the_mouse Год назад

the way I CACKLED when they searched for white versions of the people they were talking about and went straight to Joan Rivers. I'm actually crying a little bit, wow. ps- female diva :)