The Ghosts Above | Renan Ozturk | Sony Alpha Films 

💯 We had the exact same thought! Just unimaginable to do all these things at the same time. It really shows how Renan's passion and mission fuel him, even in the worst moments.

It's not really that hard though.

They had to pin this comment because otherwise ya'll would see the truly horrible ones lmao 😂😂

That’s way you practice

'Blown away' by its' winds . . . or, is it 'bl

Amy mountaineering film shows you how selfish these people are. And they all act like all accepting all knowing hippies to compensate

What a crock! At 26:00 describing why he’s there. For his friends, family and us, the viewer. Going looking for a long dead climber is all about those that planed and payed for this trip. Totally selfish, in my opinion.

the sherpas are more scared of the Chinese government then someone dying

Climbers were liars. No honor in that.

The Sherpa's have 4 things hanging over their Heads; their lives, their clients lives, the iceberg at Hillary's landing and the Chinese CCP intelligence branch who are monitoring their every movement. During Irvin's climb, they had just come out of the trench warfare of WWI, China started their invasion of Tibet, and Russia was having their color revolutions. These two were the first westerners, paving the way to trek to the very top of Mt Everest. Later, China wanted to beat their chest to claim the first country to conquer the 26k foot mountain, but they could hold that claim as long as Irvin and his partner's bodies were somewhere up there. China had the incentive to look, retrieve and conceal Sandy Irvin's body because it was widely known he was packing cameras w/tripods. Camera means evidence, to support or disclaim the assertion westerners were the first to get to the top of Mt Everest. Sandy Irvin's partner's body was found in the late 1990, renewing the possibility the CCP may not have found Irvin's body and cameras.

Yeah, narration was SUPER weak. For all their skill in other areas of videography etc, they should've had the respect to hire a professional to do it. Also, the sound mixing was off. Hard to hear the narrative basically the entire time. Oh yeah, and complete disrespect of the Sherpa people taints this entire endeavor. I'm surprised they thought that this would land any other way with viewers. And, oh, if they DID find Irvine, the reaction would have been the same!! What a waste.

Those dudes are very experienced, the Sherpa’s were a formality

I'm so sorry for your loss

condolence

@ankurdhar_Im so sorry you lost your brother. You have some bittersweet memories to hold forever.

How tragically sad, I’m sorry. 😔

BUDH

That is not "climbing" that is disturbing!

Climbing is selfish, self centered and narcissistic, I love it. What a dichotomy!!!

@Himey Lemkin Look up Wim Hof...

@@georgeshaw8925 What "climbing".....climbing not exist, only pendulums of idiots bipeds! So pathetic and naive idiots that without ropes, without sherpas, without jacks, without ladders, without ropes, without oxygen and without nails, you don't climb a single meter! Failed fools!

Perhaps for some.... Climbing is an adventure.... and adventure is a wonderful part of life.

@@sergeantcrow but it is greed because that ambition and adventure enriches you and you alone, particularly when you pursue it at others' expenses like this group did

I’m pretty sure the monk was right!

@@sergeantcrow I came back to watch it again. I checked in on my comment. I thought it was important to say that I have climbed over 400 mountains, including a couple in Tibet. I've been to the Ronbuk monastery.

@@SolaceEasy Thanks.. That's impressive.... and a lot of valuable experience and education.

They did and the sherpas said they wouldn't go because they would get blacklisted for attempting a search mission. So instead, they tricked the sherpas into risking their lives and livelihoods by saying they were going just to summit.

Agree. Completely shameful. And they have the nerve to documented.

​​@@pavelclaudiopatino419It was all about the summit! Nat Geo, threw this Irvine thing, as a bonus! $$$ Chinese , does not allow such routes, to be used! Its like the wild west out there! They catch you , taking a different route, other than, the modern route! There likely to, make you have an accident! Especially, if no one is looking! They would just say, oh, that climber fell! The Chinese, do not want anyone, poking around up there! They have to protect, they were the first ( 1960 ) expedition! Which, I truly believe, they didn't summit! 😂

@@christopherreinsmith1401 I completely agree with your last sentence. Pictures or it didn't happen.

If the Sherpas don’t reach the summit during a season their ranking goes down which might mean less pay or unemployment next season. It also looks really bad if your tourist dies. They just want to go up, come down, get paid and go home. It’s a job

That’s a Raven most probably. Only they can survive at such low temperatures and fly at high altitudes. Ravens are also incarnations of dead mountaineers according to some climbers. They are also ominous, protecting climbers.

I did not enjoy this, I have to be honest. No respect for the sherpas. No respect even for their own lives.

@@veronicafernandez7211 Those are two separate criticisms but with regard to the second one, undoubtedly the searchers wouldn't respect themselves if they didn't make the effort and keep their word to themselves and others.

they use the lift that the mountains create to conserve energy

The birds feast on the dead climbers.

All mountaineers seem to be insufferable middle class w⚓s.

SERIOUSLY

I almost went off on you. At firsts I thought you were being offensive towards the Sherpas

Just when I was thinking I would be the only one feeling this way💔, I came here and read your comment first

People make out these Sherpa’s to be magical beings. They have an advantage being born and live at altitude. These guys are normal people they aren’t saints some beat their wives some are hThey make 6 figures a year and complain they don’t get paid enough.

Putting up with what? He took his own risk.

Ego rules

Couldn’t agree more. Typical elitism.

Privileged ignorance,

You have no clue who you're talking about. The irony, People talking about privilege and what someone hasn’t done for the people. Maybe go look him up first

He went something like 20 feet off the trail for a short rest to pay personal homage to an historic figure he had studied. It didn't even look dangerous to me. This whole kerfuffle, rife with indignation and judgmental moralizing, is way too overblown. IMHO.

Rich climbers? 😂 Renan was a dirtbag climber for like 2 decades.. you’re probably not a climber so I’ll just let you know, dirtbag=homeless

Well said

Absolutely well said. 💯

Well said...breathtakingly well said

it's particuarly puzzling given that someone was obviously flying a drone... why not use the drone to search target areas for irvine's body?

@@ordinaryhand so true

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@@MeanGeneSanDiego people make mistakes, settle down.

@@ordinaryhand the body is most likely buried or else he would have been found by now. Only Mallory's upper back was visible and the sun and weather had bleached it white.

To be fair, they had no way of disclosing the intentions up front as the Chinese will not allow any searches for the "old English".

Yeah, I think another issue is that once you release that info about the most prestigious/high-profile find on Everest (Irvine's body), you'd be flocked by other teams trying to get in. It was why the 1999 Mallory find was so secretive, they didn't want anyone on the mountain (apart from the small team of highly experienced climbers) to know they were looking for Mallory. Even when Conrad found the body, he used their code 'eat some Snickers' over the radio, which meant Mallory had been found.

​@@arneboveng3756 that's not true. that's the Sherpas' jobs.

If that had been the main objective they wouldn't have wasted time summiting. Looks more like a ruse to get Nat Geo to foot the bill to me, but of course I can't say for sure.

@@skullsaintdead Fascinating! Thanks the info...

The garbage or the mountain?

@@snowturd The eye of the beholder. 😉

Couldn't agree more, that's what was going through my head too. It was a real unprofessional expedition without the team aligned on a common goal. That's how people die on expositions and all for the glory to be the ones who found his camera.

Sounded like a bit of a mistake. At the end of the day didn't it amount to just a few minutes?

I was confused in general about this--because the whole "plot"/"purpose" of the film really ended up being one guy climbing like 20 feet in a different direction, which was barely even filmed? Was that really worth disrespecting the Sherpas for?

@@gbaker125 Yes, quite the search...🙄....

@@gbaker125 You could not have said it better. ;) Overall, the cinematography was amazing, but the storytelling lacking. The movie became a strange, self-involved pity-party "Oh I'm so serious and this is all so dramatic", and the attempt at poetry became just randomness. If they wanted to emulate Terrence Malick... this is not how he does it. That being said, the visuals are exceptional, stunning. Also, he definitely did want to be there. No one forces you to go by gun point.

…..and they lied to the sherpas

100% agreement on both counts.

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They should be aware of the ghost

Stunning is correct! I was thinking the same thing. Especially when he said, “not only were we risking our livelihoods, but also theirs”...

He was discussing few truths in the best possible way 🙏🏻🌏

okokomm hj Kmmm

Definitely not unintentional.

@D. W. llll

😂👏🏽👍🏾

Modern day slaves 😢

Yes if you want to climb a mountain you have to have little brown men to carry your clogs

Not if the mountain is smaller.@@juliesheard2122

Well ya, because they’re climatized much better and it’s their job

Yeah, it was a bit disappointing they explained that quite late. Was there a reason for this?

Perhaps they would have refused to go if they knew

I totally agree that is was disrespectful and manipulative. Bad mountain vibes and etiquette.

The Chinese would not have approved it 😐

Yes, disrespectful and manipulative, but I appreciate how they at least worked with the Sherpas on a compromise and (except for the guy at the end) respected the Sherpa's judgment and position on the climb.

Mmmmmm - cup of tea and a kit kat in the Death Zone and if it all goes horribly wrong at least i'll recycle into a back rest for fellow ' adventurers '. Summit Fever ? Sounds and looks like a very expensive form of self harm to me.

@@twiglet2214 lolll

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He is a champion of indigenous people lol,

Well said

Yup, dangerous vanity project dressed up in ridiculous verbosity.

Totally agree.

Agreed. This left a bad taste in my mouth.

Totally agree

Created drama to enhance the script.

To me they're wrecking the mountain. Where is the dignity in that?

@@cindykauffman8294 well every bit of that which is left behind will eventually return to the earth from whence it came.

@@cindykauffman8294 I agree. Every scrap taken onto the mountain should be removed. In Europe you often pay a city tax as a tourist. Why not tax climbers for a clean up.

@@user-jt1jv8vl9r Cleaning up everest is not an easy task. Hence why it's scattered with stuff.

None of that garbage is hurting anything. It's just metal and plastic sitting on rock. No different than if was in a landfill or storage shed.

Yupppp

I can see why this may seem that way. I asked myself the very same question. But what the sherpas wanted was to summit while Renan and Mark did not care about that since they had other plans with this expedition. I didn't know this detail before seeing this either but app the sherpas can get blacklisted by the Chinese government if they don't summit. So the fact that Mark went off trail did not go against their plans even though the sherpas were not happy about it. The biggest problem the sherpas had was to not summit which ultimately they did. That's my interpretation anyway

they're also some of the best mountaineers on the planet. And its bad regulation that they have to be there with the sherpas (they should be on their own without the sherpas but the Chinese government is dumb). Their much more experienced than the sherpas.

@@alexsavulI think the point was that the sherpas wouldn’t be there if it wasn’t for them in the first place. It’s pure negligence only going up some of the way knowing that they had to go all the way.the fact that they did summit doesn’t negate the initial Lack of respect those men had for their lives.

Yes, yes, that’s exactly what they did.

Nobody is on that mountain against their will.

Well put.

@@jonde4445 What kind of a job are you in?

@@jonde4445 the Chinese threatened to blacklist those sherpas if they stayed with their original plan. There is more to this story than is being told to the public.

@@zach_jameson_ How so?

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some of them are the best mountaineers on the planet. The sherpas shouldn't even be with them but thats what the Chinese government requests. And thats how the sherpas get paid

@@snsproduc I thought this was Nepal's side

@@Lilmickcrocodiledundee0001 It's Nepal's side. The China thing is just to justified some lies and deception to the Sherpas so they don't feel guilty if any of the Sherpa died.

@@nutzhazel it's the Chinese side. The north side. Mallory and Irving climbed from that side as it was in pre war Tibet and British

100% I felt like it was a lord of the rings trailer lol

Stunning. Other worldly.

I was wondering how they kept the camera locked in place for that whole timelapse !!!!

@@vidiot57 there's a Tibetan monk that lives up there and all he does is hold the camera for the tourists. It's 100% exploitation.

I have no proof but I think climbers knew where Mallory's body would be. Until then no one had the initiative to find him.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was higher. The number of people actually making 8000 meter climbing the end of a long apprenticeship of decades in the mountains.

Guess you've never had climbing fever before ..

100% of these people.

100% of these people don't belong up there

@@kdavis4910 could say that about the moon but we still went there..

Sherpas risk their life for money,plain and simple.

@@gpr5259exactly. It’s a high risk job but they’re doomed to crushing poverty as Nepal has no industries for them. Have to risk it for a better life

ru-vid.com/show-UCYccrJeUGMXgsq0nlOb-dwwvideos

Why was that week to try and anchor the narrative in the reason why they were there in the first place or ever at all????? I’m not sure what you presume as the shadowy underlying purpose since they all had vowed to never go there and climb that mountain let alone summit because it was ethically against everything they believed- which is the foundation of the ultimate narrative in which they become the thing they hate the most. So of course the reason they were there was to find him and that’s the only thing that was able to bring them there at all after years and years of never wanting to or needing to climb that mountain. It wasn’t important to them personally to summit.

Lol i feel like the whole plot was just to make a everest summit video, but they tried to twist it into something bigger for the views and to be ”politically correct”. They just wanted to summit, one guy took a of turn of like 20m from the route, which was barely even filmed... i don’t think they had any REAL intention of finding the body from the get go. Just a way to make a summit video more interesting.

@@Zezam_ definitely not, these guys have way more impressive summits in the bag then everest

Interesting supposition.

It not being an empowerment group from the start is a leadership failure of this expedition imho.

@@Zezam_ even more insane...this is only one of the docs of this expedition. Lost On Everest, which i think is the main doc for Nat Geo technically, spends over half the run time talking about Irvine and consulting with an Everest historian who spent *years* researching where Irvine's body could be. i was simply stunned to watch the last 30 minutes of them focusing on the summit and not even having a plan for a search. i almost wish it had always been an excuse to summit, but if it was, it was insanely cruel to a lot of people.

Hey, Thank you!

I totally agree 🎉🎉🎉

Then, you have not watched John Gupta

I totally agree. Disingenuous.

I was thinking the exact same. Seemed a little gung ho about their mission. Seemed a bit novice. I wonder if it was an idea about not being there that was decided afterward, and while filming was more focused on actually wanting to be pro climbers striking on a mission on their own.

Claims to know Sherpas very well. Gets surprised when they object all not summiting idea. Seems strange

@Terry Johnson this was after the lie of omission

@@Cody-gr2kc If that's what they wanted, that summit is very very very far from pro mountaneering: jumaring to the summit with oxygen tanks carried in the back of a bunch of sherpas. Not piolet d'or stuff precisely. The shots were beautiful though

Idk it seemed like more of a request to me, and what better way to convey your respect than in person. I could see the film going the other way by respecting the Sherpas declination of the idea and highlighting that storyline.

@@westonzor how.. they litterly risked other people lives to promote a camera and get a shot...

and not enough food, no spare regulator.......

they gave the sherpas the ultimate say in the end which is extremely fair.

@@westonzor You are manipulating the word respect to suit yourself. Despite the flowery rhetoric from this guy no respect was shown to the sherpas either at the time of hiring or at base camp or let's not forget after the summit.

Could it be that trying to solve this mystery was only a smoke screen for their wish to summit? That maybe they just came up with this alleged "detective agenda" in order to not have to admit to having the same profane dream that other mountain-tourists have, that is to just once be at the highest point on earth and to snap a picture of themselves?

You summed it up well 👍😏

If it weren't for them, they'd have no money, it's like a tourist attraction, and they live of wealthy people. If sherpas didn't help, there would be very few people trying, and no job for sherpas

@@lukamajetic1290 Sherpa is an ethnic group, not a job. They were there long before mountaineers showed up. Not suggesting you’re completely wrong as there is some truth to why you say for SOME, but you definitely don’t know much about the Sherpa people by that statement.

Thats colonialism for you

Yes, they are quite incredible!

Agree... the community of mountain climbers talking about beauty, environment, are nothing more than abusers of a local ethnic group, corrupting them with money, polluters of a desolate area, all for a selfish goal... and we are to admire these people? It's not as if they are exploring the unknown. The status of exploration has already been awarded... It's for a personal trophy - status and recognition in the community...

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Glad u said that,I saw those cans and other garbage everywhere.

@@ClaraLV878 I understand one could smell the stench from human excrements accumulating on a daily basis without disposed of properly.

@@Nugliscious yes and it seemed like its becoming Great Wall of China,bodies everywhere

I have yet to see a video on RU-vid re how they clean up the mountains or what plan is in place.

Well said.

taking the risk annihilates the fear , the more cautious one is the more are the chances of getting back.

U X illegally occupying it, what else.

@@user-np1vy7oo2h don't hero's on mountains just folk you can trust and you obviously don't know any better

it was probably not that dangerous - the dude behind the camera was part of the 3 person group who summited Meru for the first time; Everest is a cakewalk in comparison. ie. these guys know how to handle themselves out there and likely did not need guides.

Place is probably haunted too

Why exactly?

I agree 110%

They communicated with sherpas and changed their route, they could not disclouse their plans from the start dew to the restrictions China imposes on every climber. They could be denied to climb at all. Maybe watch the whole dicumentary and analyse the info before speaking up?

@@ar_tseg653 I watched it all, they acted like spoilt children, thanks.

Morals? From people that go to climb Mt Everest?

Nope, you don’t have it wrong. Deceit and lies throughout. Pure lip service.

I couldn't agree more. Massive ego trips disguised with the "gentle soul" trope. I'm beyond tired of the mountaineer narrative : You chose to get there ; assume the consequences and shut up. You live, you die, it's on you ; the drama is yours. If you make a spectacle of it, you're an egomaniac who wants to profit from your own suffering or your friends'. Change the tone : Show the pictures and don't douse the whole thing in melodrama.

Here come the Americans with their Nikons and drones. More Woke mountainneering blathering about Life/Death and My Famous Career. You guys just don’t get it.

But the documentarian said that he never even wanted to be there! Right at the end he said it. Sure, literally everything else was a total lie, but he never wanted to be there, believe that.

@@phpn99 I agree. I'm not a climber, but I've done enough to have respect for the strength, stamina, and will power to climb Everest. Even still, I was fatigued by the incessant drone of music and monotoned narration, and confused as to how one supposedly reveres the lives at risk while remaining determined to put them at risk. And even hurdle corpses on the way.

That's exactly right! How could they ever claim that the search for Irvine was the main goal if this same search only takes up about 0,5 percent of the movie's running time and the main focus of the movie is really getting amazing footage from the summit? It's more than fishy!

ru-vid.com/show-UCYccrJeUGMXgsq0nlOb-dwwvideos

They should be ashamed of themselves

@@tanner791 yeah, truly deceitful, pretentious and self-absorbed.

Idk man I think they screwed up but I think that is the point. “climbing has become selfish”. They’re proving that sherpa’s point with their own failure of an expedition. Proving the greed that is climbing these days. I think it is a warning.

Lol. Climbing Everest with Westerners is Sherpas main and sometime only one job source. No retraining programs in this area.

Isn't that what every single climber on Everest does on every single climb?

Also--terrific music throughout-