I doubt that they'd worship him, because even when he was ALIVE, his own Legion didn't respect him much. Although... Conrad was meant to be a sad figure because he didn't WANT to seen as a monster, he just thought it was the only thing that worked for keeping order, and it's the kind of missions Big E got use to sending him on. So if posthumously later generations of Night Haunters started to estactically REVERE him for being a monster, it would be an on-brand tragedy.
Jiado I think its kind of weird that everyone seems to think Conrad is dead even though it was purposely supposed to be iffy as to wether or not he died
I believe I can fly Kill Imperials with my deadly cry I think about it every night and day Spread my claws and slay away I believe I can soar Dream about it while I lurk the Warp I believe I can fly
“I’ll eat your eyes.” When that comes from a Raptor that’s no idle threat. On that note, I think the quote referred to Lucoryphus from Variel was “You look like a drowned corpse.” As for the use of vox amplifiers, that particular trait is common in both the followers of Slaanesh as well as the Night Lords Legion. One of their favoured tricks is to deafen their prey with a scream that has all their vox amplifiers turned up all the way. I believe Talos uses it in the second Night Lords book on the bridge of a ship. I don’t remember if it was when they stole the Echo of Damnation from Huron Blackheart or an Imperial Vessel. Similar can be said of the Raptors delight in inflicting fear and pain on others as it also is a common trait among Night Lords.
Weren't all Raptor Cultists originally worshipers of Konrad Curse/The Night Haunter as their own twisted version of The Emperor? Wasn't it hinted at that, that was slowly turning him into a Minor Chaos God? You know, eventually setting up his return since Konrad was more evil due to circumstances, like Angron, but had never devoted himself to one of the 4. What's with this new shit lore of them just worshiping any Chaos God to hamfist them into the story. Especially fucking Slaanesh, when it's ideology is so antithetical to Curze's/Knight Haunter's. At least if it was just Khorne and Khorne accessories, it could be explained that their Primarch's duality of Wrathful Murder and Incorruptible Justice in the face of evil drove them towards the Crimson God due to similarities in beliefs.
@Aaron B I'm fairly certain the emperor didn't want to become a god, yet here he is. It's not a matter of it they'd like to be or not, it's a matter of how many people believe he is.
Isn't he tasked with investigating some vault guarded by the Black Templars on whatever that planet was called? Emperor granted him a rank of Inquisitor for that very purpose
Phreak Azoith I would actually shoot myself if I heard that through the vox while defending a planet against night lords straight after shitting myself from learning that the night lords are on the planet in the first place.
@Jakub Bończak I love those books, also I love the concept of there are many other chaos gods other than the four main gods of Chaos, and I wish that GW remake those old books too.
In my own head canon Konrad Curze is a minor Chaos god of Fear. He wanted true oblivion as death is nothing compared to vindication. Unfortunately his use of fear and terror and the use of it by tyrants and crime lords throughout the years dragged his soul from the warp into true godhood as the embodiment of fear. It is the most 40k thing I have thought of. The man who wanted to die so badly to spite his father is instead forced to exist as the embodiment of fear and terror.
The night lords are the most human like of Chaos space marines, in their novel they talk about how they have their own life outside the carnage of war and they would even mock other chaos space marine for their demonic devoted mutations behind their back
The Night Haunter is already trapped inside of his crown, if the prayers and worship of his cults were to reach him then he would...escape and grow a new body like a Wraithlord?
The fact that they all have similar mutations, behaviors and hunting tactics indicates to me that they follow the same god. Slaanesh seems the most plausible.
I am currently on the second Night Lords book, Blood Reaver where these guys appear...they are so weird former astartes, crawling on all fours, like beasts, but awesome nonetheless :D
One of the best Warhammer book series my friend, I read its entirety in a weekend. Couldn't stop. Talk about getting goosebumps, definitely pulled me in.
I've been under thinking for awhile now that the Raptor models we see for CSM are just stray groups of Night Lords that have hired on to the the warband. For one thing, a lot of the Raptor models are biting the style of the Night Lords anyway. But mainly because the Night Lords (the chapter with the most Raptors) is also the most scattered without any command structure. They were all a bunch of literal reprobates, so I think that they just look for battlefields like carrion (or Chaos Furies) so they can hire themselves out, loot stuff, and kill for fun. I doubt that they'd worship Kurze, because even when he was ALIVE, his own Legion didn't respect him much. Although... Conrad was meant to be a sad figure because he didn't WANT to seen as a monster, he just thought it was the only thing that worked for keeping order, and it's the kind of missions Big E got use to sending him on. So if posthumously later generations of Night Haunters started to estactically REVERE him for being a monster, it would be an on-brand tragedy.
The joke has ceased being funny. It ceased being funny a while ago. Especially when it's reiterated by multiple people on any video he is even briefly mentioned in.
This reminded me of something in the 7th edition Khorne Demonkin codex. From what I remember, the Raptors within the force are described as seeing Khorne as the galaxy's apex predator, within themselves as his most favoured devotees of course...
The funny thing is that GW has such a big world, but a relatively small pool of “dark and awesome” words/animals/cultures to reference, so they start getting Re-used. “Raptors! No, they’re not related to the Raptor Project, that’s a different thing.”
Could worship of Kurz for 10K years manifest him into the Warp as some sort of Chaos God of Fear? Effectively resurrecting The Night Haunter? Also should do a video on the minor Chaos Gods
The response to Raptor Cult prayers and offerings, from their respective deities: - Khorne: "Yes ... BUT STOP PLAYING WITH YOUR FOOD! Just kill, kill and kill! GET ON WITH IT!" - Slaanesh: "Don't stop! Make it hurt more! Increase the tension! (moans)" - VIII Legion Primarch Konrad "The Night Haunter" Curze: (facepalms) "Ah, look at the tryhard raptors. I'd be more saltier in response to these birdbrains, but after my own legion replied 'How shall we "f--k off," oh Lord?' I've given up answering to my idiot sons." (growls, "Learned it from watching you, DAD.")
The one thing I truly dislike about 40k is how much they retcon stuff. It is like they have no respect for the IP. Sometimes even invalidating 40k novels that had prior approval. I don't mind them changing game mechanics, though some of those I hate to see when the game is working well. I just don't like the fluff being rewritten so often.
I could see some demented fusion of the gods to bring back one of the dead primarchs. It would make sense for Curze since different raptor cults follow different gods. Just my two cents. I read somewhere that Night Lords Raptors generally avoided the religiosity of the gods and worship and such but clearly there are many cults. So who knows. I would like some models for different raptor cults for different gods.
Missed one other option that they might not be aligned to any chaos god and just be a manifestation of the raw power of chaos. Raptors share a common trait with another non aligned entity of the warp.... that being the furies. Furies side with which god is ascendant at the time, have wings and talon/claw like apendages . They toy with their victims, prey on the weak and often hunt them relentlessly then kill when they offer no more amusement. Sounds awfully like the modus operandi of all variants/alignment of the raptors tbh. Maybe the furies see a kinship with the raptors and meld their essence within them as a form of chaos possession undivided, then it's up to the individual fury/raptor to form an alliance with a major god or not
Bar ghul or bar gul? Think it's just a specific deamon in red tithe that represents fear...though one would assume that would either be Nurgle Tzeentch or the neutral beast as the duality of fear and hope are probably the strongest emotions in Warhammer.
My guess is that the Raptors may worship any god they choose, but the consistency of their transformation says to me that might be tapping into the power of a Chaos God other than the four major powers, like some primal god of beasts. I mean, if the Warp is a reflection of all life then shouldn't that mean there is a god that represents the basic impulses of all life, even if that god isn't necessarily sentient?
Well, some Beastmen in both Fantasy and AoS worship a Chaos God of their own called Atagro in the old lore, and Morghur in the new lore. He represents nature, night, wildlife, terrible beasts, predators, hunt, mutation, evolution and adaption etc. He's an ethnic Chaos God like Hashut of Chaos Dwarfs, Horned Rat of Skaven and Mermedus of Norsca, yet acknowledged by the Wood Elven lore as a Satanic figure.
I don't believe The Bleeding Eyes (Night Lord Raptors) are solely devoted to any Chaos God but more than just warped and mutated due to exposure in The Great Eye. Lucorphyus even admitted to not denying the gifts of the Ruinous Powers. They don't follow any Chaos God but embrace the warp itself as a whole.
So, the Raptors will seek out the Aeldari to please the Dark Prince of Pleasure? | 10:35 - Fiction's 2nd most horrific version of Batman. (The Batman Who Laughs is now worse)
I would go for one of the Great Four. A lesser deity wont offer a lot in terms of "blessings" to the cult members. Khorne likes the blood to flow no matter whose blood it is. But using scare tactics and having utter joy in targeting the weak does not sound like his favorite type of warriors.
I hope future GW writers explore other Chaos deities. The Star of Chaos itself literally stands for infinite posibilities, so the idea of only four Chaos Gods is bullshit at best.
