The Gospel of Thomas | Dr. Mark Goodacre

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The Gospel of Thomas -- found in 1945 -- has been described as "without question the most significant Christian book discovered in modern times." Often Thomas is seen as a special independent witness to the earliest phase of Christianity and as evidence for the now-popular view that this earliest phase was a dynamic time of great variety and diversity.
In contrast, Mark Goodacre makes the case that, instead of being an early, independent source, Thomas actually draws on the Synoptic Gospels as source material -- not to provide a clear narrative, but to assemble an enigmatic collection of mysterious, pithy sayings to unnerve and affect the reader. Goodacre supports his argument with illuminating analyses and careful comparisons of Thomas with Matthew and Luke.
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@History-Valley 4 дня назад

➡📚Get his book! [amzn.to/3Lc8Szt]

@sciptick 2 дня назад

Dr Goodacre stands head and shoulders above almost all guests on this channel. The more I see of him, the better. But David Oliver Smith or Tom Dykstra speaking on Mark's adaptation of material from epistles would be a good complement.

@ian_b 19 часов назад

He's a pleasure to listen to. Sort of like having a really nice friend who's an expert and you can just listen while sharing a beer.

@EvanGrambas 4 дня назад

This is an old fellow talking here, been studying for years my background is medicine, you are an up and coming star. Also I'm a massive fan of Mark Goodacre he is an absolute gem.

@tsemayekekema2918 4 дня назад

Same here-only I'm below 30!

@ji8044 2 дня назад

Goodacre is an excellent guest. Please invite him back.

@jackpatterson8389 3 дня назад

brilliant I thought I was in for a long video. then I was disappointed when it ended. thanks to you both. more please 🙏😉

@Theprofessorator 3 дня назад

The missing middle makes Thomas sound like a study guide for proselytizers. It sounds like cue cards.

@tsemayekekema2918 4 дня назад

Almost as if Josh reads my mind! For the longest time, I've been wishing to either have free time to read, or have an opportunity to hear more about Goodacre's arguments for familiarity with the synoptics-from the same methodology based on which he rejects the existence of Q

@mcosu1 4 дня назад

Great questions, Jacob! Well-prepared interview (as always)

@riley02192012 3 дня назад

I love his channel. Interestingly enough, I was listening to his channel last night.

@ronaldanderson7111 4 дня назад

I will buy really soon .....keep giving us great information thank you.

@EvanGrambas 4 дня назад

Thanks

3 дня назад

good interview thanks

@seoigh 4 дня назад

I don't see what Thomas is not Q + time + interpolation from a neoplatonic/gnostic source. It isn't Q, but it's another puzzle piece pointing to it.

@solomonessix6909 3 дня назад

Recently, I've been noticing the term "Like a lion" used several times while reading Homer's Odyssey. If I'm not mistaken, James Tabor was reading some scripture that was related to the scene where Jesus was having lots drawn for his belonging. If I remember correctly Tabor was saying that the "Like a like.........my hands and my feet" has some relation. Now you are mentioning Thomas with mysterious "lion". I have no expert credentials in the field, but I wonder if the trail of Lion references lead back to Greek Homeric roots.

@tsemayekekema2918 3 дня назад

@@solomonessix6909 why rule out the possibility that there was a specific context & event Jesus was referring to for which he used the lion metaphor (there are any number of serious historical scenarios in which lion could have been used as a metaphor for a powerful man in late 20s AD Jewish geopolitics capable of killing)? Using your methodology, anything I say about myself that coincidentally has Homeric or biblical similarities will be dismissed as mimesis!

@solomonessix6909 3 дня назад

@@tsemayekekema2918 I have no answer for you. I'm sharing what I feel in hopes of receiving some credible feedback or sources. Just hoping to learn.

@daveg5420 2 дня назад

Psalms 22 refers to lions, bulls, dogs attacking someone and includes piercing hands and feet.

@daveg5420 2 дня назад

It’s used to tie Jesus to the Hebrew prophecy

@solomonessix6909 2 дня назад

@@daveg5420 Thanks

@komaichan99 4 дня назад

Please call Dr. April D Deconick.

@tsemayekekema2918 4 дня назад

What is he known for?

@notanemoprog 4 дня назад

@@tsemayekekema2918 She. Lots.

3 дня назад

@@tsemayekekema2918 she's a NT prof at Rice U. Specializes in gThomas and gnosticism, and known for having divergent opinions.

@komaichan99 3 дня назад

@@tsemayekekema2918 Her ideas are mind blowing

@tsemayekekema2918 3 дня назад

@@komaichan99 examples please. I tend to be selective of videos due to time constraints

@FacePaster 2 дня назад

Elaine Pagels makes a case that Gospel of John knows Gospel of Thomas and is explicitly countering it

@FacePaster 2 дня назад

Right as I typed that Mark addressed it, oops.

@oker59 23 часа назад

Is this is in "The Johannine Gospel in Gnostic Exegesis: Heracleon's Commentary on John." or "Beyond belief : the secret Gospel of Thomas"?

@FacePaster 13 часов назад

@@oker59 I read it in Beyond Belief

@oker59 12 часов назад

@@FacePaster makes sense - thanks for the response.

@Justin_Beaver564 4 дня назад

The Mythicists in the comments are really starting to get under my skin. They're just an atheist version of an Evangelical apologist.

@History-Valley 4 дня назад

Ya, that's why I don't usually waste my time with them. Here's a link to the HV Discord server, I think you'll find it to your likening. discord.gg/pHYQZebhN5

@DrWrapperband 4 дня назад

Ha Ha Ha, so I'm some kind of Atheist Heretic now, how amusing.

@tsemayekekema2918 4 дня назад

@@History-Valleywhat is Discord & what is it for?

@seoigh 4 дня назад

many of them are former evangelicals -- and they have replaced an old addiction with a new one

@Justin_Beaver564 4 дня назад

@@seoigh Exactly. It's not about actual history for them. I want to know what really happened in classical antiquity.

@I_Fish_In_A_TIE 2 дня назад

Could James the Just have written Thomas?

@Okaydokie001 3 дня назад

you asked if he created it when it says it’s Jesus’s words in the beginning of the gospel.

@DrWrapperband 4 дня назад

Jacob Berman's channel is one of the greatest on RU-vid, but Jesus never existed.

@notanemoprog 4 дня назад

Well, you're literally half-right

3 дня назад

@@notanemoprog so youre saying JB is not one of the greatest? pretty saucy.

@notanemoprog 4 дня назад

This is kind of an old video right? Mark Goodacre hasn't uploaded anything or posted on his blog since September 2023

@sorenaleksander2670 4 дня назад

I think this is fairly recent, according to Mark's hairline🤷‍♂️

@notanemoprog 3 дня назад

@@sorenaleksander2670 Well that depends on your idea of "recent", but judging by the papyrus discussed it was end of September 2023

@DrVictorVasconcelos 4 дня назад

Feels like half the "oral tradition" claims are intended to avoid saying that someone sat down one day and invented a bunch of stuff. I don't want to overstate this, but sayings, parables--we have ancient Greek philosophers using them and we don't say they're oral traditions.

@theespjames4114 4 дня назад

If it wasn’t for Oral tradition society would never have survived the gap between oral language and written language. Survival skills , hunting skills, agriculture techniques, medicine, were handed down Orally before the invention of written language

@tsemayekekema2918 4 дня назад

Nothing is wrong with thinking that invention is less likely than not. In fact, there are many critical historical Jesus scholars that remain firm that the historical Jesus spoke all the parables attributed to him, even in 2024

@theespjames4114 4 дня назад

@@tsemayekekema2918 The overwhelming majority of Christ teachings and parables (origin’s) can be found in ancient Hebrew texts.

@tsemayekekema2918 4 дня назад

@@theespjames4114 the overwhelming majority of Jews were familiar with the stories in Hebrew texts, and therefore, a Jew like Jesus would certainly make fictional parables based on elements in hebrew texts! It's just the same way high-class British people are familiar with Greek classical works & stories-and cannot speak for more than a few hours without mentioning something dependent on Homer or Classics

@theespjames4114 4 дня назад

@@tsemayekekema2918 Let’s understand the Paleo ( Original) Hebrew. The original Hebrew was a Coded language written without Vowels or even Vowel points. What does that mean? It means that the original Hebrew was designed to hide the Oracles of God , Paleo Hebrew was impossible to translate or even read without Prior knowledge of the text. This is why with all the resources of the King Ptolemy he couldn’t translate the Hebrew text and relied on the Jewish translators supplied by the High priest “Eleazar” in the 3rd century bc to create the Koine Greek translation. According to Philo a renowned Jewish scholar and philosopher living in Alexandria, when the Hebrew text was translated to Greek the vast majority of Jews didn’t speak or read Hebrew. This was certainly the case through the first century ad. Hebrew like Latin in Catholicism was a temple language only taught to the elite , it was the language of authority .

@mikemelcher1705 2 дня назад

Its so bizarre to me that you express openness but only seem to consider that the biblical Gospels are the original and the others take from them. Maybe these other newly found scriptures are the original and the biblical Gospels are taken from them. Im not saying either way but certainly consider both and lean towards the Gospel of Thomas being the original.

@robinstevenson6690 4 дня назад

This isn't the first time that Dr. Goodacre has expounded his somewhat closed-minded and at times heavy-handed views about the Gospel of Thomas (mirroring his equally closed-minded view on "Q"). I think he gets it completely wrong. I much prefer the open-minded and highly scholarly views of his predecessor, Dr. Helmut Koester, and also of Koester's student, Dr. Elaine Pagels. Psychologically speaking, my clinical impression is that Mark Goodacre may an "anal retentive" personality. This would help to explain his objections to "messy" texts, such as Q and Thomas, both of whom he objects to in the most anally retentive ways (i.e., with utter revulsion). My clinical impression isn't simply based on the content of Goodacre's remarks regarding "Q" and the gospel of Thomas. It's also based on the fact that his voice is and has always struck me as being a bit on the "retentive" side of the ledger. That is to say, a bit on the "prissy" side.

@tsemayekekema2918 4 дня назад

An academic cannot be passionate about his academic theory without being called profanities disguised as psycho-analysis (pardon my harshness, but even without a doctorate in psychology, I'm a medical doctor, hence my familiarity with psychology)?

@notanemoprog 4 дня назад

Lol. Goodacre presents a TEXT-BASED case about Thomas being dependent on the canonical Gospels. If you are capable of making a counter-argument, let's hear it. Nobody cares about this faux-clinical psychobabble you are posting.

@notanemoprog 4 дня назад

@@tsemayekekema2918 I suspect that 66 from the handle is Robin Stevenson's age, and 90 is his/her IQ

@carsonwall2400 3 дня назад

Could you possibly be even more of a weirdo?

@robinstevenson6690 3 дня назад

@@notanemoprog The esteemed Thomas scholars Helmut Koester & Elaine Pagels view Thomas as being a very early 1st c. document. Thus, it (or the vast majority of it) predates the four gospels. Any textual similarities may indicate that some of the gospels have drawn material from Thomas, or from a common text tradition that overlapped with parts of Thomas.