The Greatest Showman Is A Problematic Classic (Feat. Pretty Much It) - Guilty Pleasures Ep. 62 

“Counterpoint: Vibes” is the funniest shit ever.

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i think we did, i think that’s what the whole “i don’t see color” era was lmao 😭

I don't usually watch the ones for movies I haven't seen but I'm sooooo glad i listened to this one 😅

30:33

it’s perfect! a bigger cinematic masterpiece than the movie, honestly! (just a joke; the greatest showman stans, don’t attack me LMAO)

39:06

I saw this comment and was waiting for that moment and it did not disappoint 😂

39:06 I nearly fell out of my seat XD

I didn't even realize that was Miles Miles if not for this comment! 😂 That's one of their funniest commentaries for sure.

SAMEEE

Not the only one

its like bring your child to work day

Agreed, by tying Barnum to it they ended up romanticising a terrible person. I don’t really care if they romanticise an awful person, but it still seems like something worth avoiding for those who do, and for the sake of not misleading children.

The fact that that ISN’T the worst thing he’s done is terrifying.

2nd to the 50 shades of grey ep which will always have my heart 😭🙏🏽

Glad to see you on the trypod! 🎩

gonna need you back on this podcast one day

Could not agree more !

And we see the same thing every day when the "news" tells us about how well the "economy" is doing without mentioning that the actual productive workers can't survive on what they're paid.

@@nancythomas5387 or when the news mentions that people with pre-existing conditions are more likely to die of covid.

Don't really disagree but PT's life (and those of some of the most famous performers associated with him) are more nuanced than that. What I'm basically saying is your giving PT way too much credit - and by extension some of the performers way too little. Some turned out way more successful than him in the end... Still extremely abusive to animals, that part is really awful and sad, very little nuance found

@@mishmashmixofstuff, and portray it as "the good news!"

Why is the Dear Evan Hansen story problematic

This makes SO much sense

@@GiveMeTheRicethe whole show is about Evan lying that he had a whole ass friendship with a guy who committed suicide and cons a whole grieving family and the world 😭 don’t get me wrong, I love dear Evan Hansen and everyone is super talented, but the story is wack

@@nellurso Character doing bad things ≠ bad story

@@GiveMeTheRice I never said it was bad, i said it was a crazy story :)

I don't think anyone is gonna come for you, we all hate him-

I honestly thought about this the moment they mentioned it.

yea basically

He said that and I was like..... oh

She was way too young to think about this at the time, but I imagine it was very difficult to cast a black woman to do this for role considering the movie doesn’t mention once that Barnum treated them like animals in his life. My guess is older black actors would be incredibly disinterested in contributing to that narrative after a quick google search of the subject matter.

I've been binging Sad Boyz all of this week!

I didn’t catch that at all and I’ve been in a relationship where the guys parents wouldn’t take our prom pics because of my color. Knowing zendaya is black, which Garrick isn’t arguing at all, and understanding that complete strangers would know she is black and want her not to be with their son, is the issue he is highlighting. It’s not believable especially in that time when dark coloring white people were a lot more Common for very sad reasons we both know and I won’t explain. From what I understand, between them not once discussing their race as a problem, and zendaya being visibly white passing yet causing racial tension with strangers who wouldn’t know she’s black, is what he’s highlighting. Like Arab girls who looked white at my school had no problems. Arab girls who are black or brown did. He’s highlighting a very non problematic and obviously hilarious plot hole in this movie. A less controversial thing to compare it to is say there’s a show where one of the siblings is Latino. Him being Latino is not at all ever discussed or explored and is not written into his character to be highlighted. If that show then had an episode where everyone gives that character hell because he is Latino it would be bizarre. Likezendayas plot line it wouldn’t make it invalid or not believable it would just be so out of left field. And on a more serious note for poor Garrick and other poc watchers, how cheap of an unexplored B plot racial tension was in this movie is one of its many many many flaws. I only watched some of it following this hilarious podcast but it’s an unequivocally unwatchable for so many reasons good god… glossing over the dangerous and oppressive racism was just one of its many sins

@@zerocraic3966 Zendaya isn't "white passing" her skin is brown and her features are that of the typical african american, especially her nose. A bigger problem is the erasure of mixed race people from their peers. People should maybe educate themselves instead of expecting people to fit into a box they think they should fit in. I'm mixed race and had no problem recognizing Zendaya was not white.

"THAT'S REDISTRIBUTION "