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Guest Right is Sacred, but what happens if you break it ? Well let's find out as we take a deep dive into each time Guest Right has been broken and the consequences that ensured.
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Contents
00:00 Intro
00:49 Guest Right's Origins
02:57 Each Time Guest Right has been Broken
11:47 Do the Gods exist in Westeros?
16:09 The Magic Pact

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@fabianbinder3681
@fabianbinder3681 2 месяца назад
If my recollection is correct, Lady Dustin explicitly states that Wyman only eats and drinks food and beverages he brought with him, therefore he isn’t bound by guest right in Winterfell at all.
@fabianbinder3681
@fabianbinder3681 2 месяца назад
In my head canon the wildlings made the same choice, but there is no evidence in the books.
@TheFandomeClips
@TheFandomeClips 2 месяца назад
Offt! That would be a brilliant catch if true! Does it have to specifically have to be the hosts food? Or just food they share? - Thom
@TheFandomeClips
@TheFandomeClips 2 месяца назад
Wow that's a neat detail! Wyman is one wise cookie that's for sure! Thansk for tuning in as always Fabian! Liam
@aprilmae274
@aprilmae274 2 месяца назад
I literally just posted about this ha! Yep. manderly brings ALL his own food and fodder to Winterfell...and NO hostages. He ALSO gave them Freys Guest Gifts. He is not bound by Guest Right at ALL. Barbrey AND Manderly are in at ALL together. Barbrey brings Roose into it after he gets back North-notice how the focus shifts in text FROM the Boltons TO Ramsey. Down to Barbrey's 'the North Remembers' speech. Also-manderly's speech to Davos regarding the North and how Davos gets uncomfortable for the part where Manderly goes wolf-North? THAT is because Manderly is qouting Barbrey Dustin. SHE was AT White Harbor ALREADY. SHE is why Davos is spared-that is HER idea. Barbrey and horse connections should NEVER be ignored. I could go on-but I PROMISE you that in text, Barbrey is a REAL Player. She has her 'fingers' in a ALL the 'pies'. She even has connection to Little Finger through Brandon Stark..and now also-Jeyne Poole/Arya.
@fabianbinder3681
@fabianbinder3681 2 месяца назад
@@TheFandomeClips wow, thanks for pinning! I somewhat conflated two things: 1. Lady Dustin tells Theon that Roose at the feast eats anything only if Manderly ate it first. It’s implied that Manderly brought the food and only ate „his“ food. 2. Therefore some people came up with the theory that Manderly again found a loophole to guest right if he didn’t get/consume any food from the Boltons after the feast, too. I do think that it has to be the host who shares the food, as Catelyn urges Robb to eat anything offered as fast as possible at the Twins, they could have sped it up if they brought something along.
@deathdeathington
@deathdeathington 2 месяца назад
The origins of guest rights predate the rat cook. The rat cook was cursed BECAUSE he violated guest rights. If guest rights weren't a thing when he did what he did he wouldn't have been cursed.
@roentgen571
@roentgen571 21 день назад
that's a very good point. The Guest Right custom must be truly ancient.
@alek7998
@alek7998 2 месяца назад
"My Son came to the twins a guest, he ate Lord Walder's bread and salt and hung his sword along the wall to feast with friends, and they MURDERED him, murdered I say. And may the Freys choke up their fables." -Wyman MOTHERFUCKING Manderley, the single biggest chad north of the Neck. And are we even surprised he is bending the knee before the One True King?
@TheFandomeClips
@TheFandomeClips 2 месяца назад
😂 Trust me Alek we are not surprised in the slightest, big man Manderly is a boss. I can't wait to see his revenge come full circle in the books! Thanks for watching matey! Liam
@MadManManderly
@MadManManderly 2 месяца назад
What can I say, the North Remembers.
@pwnanubasaurus2950
@pwnanubasaurus2950 2 месяца назад
@@MadManManderly The North does remember, now go get those Bolton scum out of Winterfell with Stannis if you didn’t already, I haven’t read any books yet 😂
@user-qt2zp2ms5l
@user-qt2zp2ms5l 2 месяца назад
And the mummer's farce is almost done
@roentgen571
@roentgen571 21 день назад
The Manderleys are proving to be the truest, most loyal Stark bannermen, and hell yeah to them.
@KaiHung-wv3ul
@KaiHung-wv3ul 2 месяца назад
The breaking of guest right is a grave sin, an affront to the Old Gods, and the New. And the ancient powers are waking, "the trees have eyes again."
@tarvoc746
@tarvoc746 2 месяца назад
So I see this in terms of the literary genre of Magical Realism. As I see it, GRRM is doing something similar to authors like Gabriel Garçia Marquez, in that magic in ASoIaF is often symbolic for the momenta of social relations. If you break guest right, what you're doing is undermining an institution that is essential for the functioning of feudal societies like the ones in Westeros. For example, without guest right, it becomes utterly impossible to have any kind of peace negotiations. If you erode social cohesion to this extent, it *will* come back to bite you. People will stop trusting each other, but primarily, they will stop trusting *you.* What the story of the Rat King essentially says is that if you act like an animal, you will become one, in the sense that people will start to see and treat you like one. It's symbolism, at least thematically.
@benparrish672
@benparrish672 2 месяца назад
In Greek mythology, Zeus has "worse than Death'd" a few people for breaking this. 1st werewolf
@roentgen571
@roentgen571 21 день назад
One small detail from the books I thought was awesome... After Jon let the Wildlings south of The Wall, the carved faces started showing up on trees that weren't weirwoods...oaks and soldier pines and others. The North Remembers.
@tengotenma
@tengotenma Час назад
@@benparrish672 Lycan(thrope)
@The_Malcontented
@The_Malcontented 2 месяца назад
"The balls on Wyman; no wonder he can't ride a horse" Liam comes up with the best freaking lines
@TheFandomeClips
@TheFandomeClips 2 месяца назад
Haha thanks Mal, ive got to give Thom the credit for that one though! Thanks for watching! Liam
@jeremy1860
@jeremy1860 2 месяца назад
Given all the weird magic stuff we've seen in this story, a legit curse definitely isn't something people should rule out 😅
@aprilmae274
@aprilmae274 2 месяца назад
Well-there is definitely one curse in play for the books, the Eleni bloodcurse with them icey blue eyes.
@AlyssMa7rin
@AlyssMa7rin Месяц назад
The curse of Harrenhal, the curse of Old Valyria, the curse of Undeath
@jordyschuurman485
@jordyschuurman485 2 месяца назад
That even tywin is happy to let the freys take the credit 😂
@arianweneverett3910
@arianweneverett3910 2 месяца назад
Because Tywin didn't break guest right. Tywin wasn't at the Red Wedding, nor did he have any direct authority at the Twins. To apportion any blame to Tywin for the Red Wedding, you have to completely negate Walder Frey's agency. Walder was the Lord of the Twins. The reason Robb had to make a deal with him in the first place was to use the Twins to cross the Trident and to gain access to Walder's fighting men. Yes, you can argue that as a Tully bannerman, they were owed to Edmure, and by extension Robb, but Robb and Edmure didn't have a means of enforcing that compliance in the middle of a war where they couldn't afford to waste their troops doing so. So Walder held the cards in the Riverlands, both when he negotiated with Catelyn and during the Red Wedding. Tywin could tempt or threaten Walder, but Walder had to carry the Red Wedding out in his own home. Tywin's is lord of Casterly Rock. As far as we know, guest right wasn't broken there, thus Tywin didn't break guest right at the Red Wedding.
@peterwindhorst5775
@peterwindhorst5775 2 месяца назад
@@arianweneverett3910 probably all Tywin did was send a letter saying "I give you a pardon, you know what I am capable of. I will give you a shit ton of gold if you turn your army on Rob for breaking your marriage deal". Tywin expected Frey to use a military battle and attack Rob from the rear or something - not the Red Wedding. The Red Wedding began as soon as Frey met with Catlyn, he had no plans on keeping up his end of the deal - he was planning to kill them all - because you slighted me years ago at my last wedding.
@t-rexcellentreviews1663
@t-rexcellentreviews1663 2 месяца назад
Tywin knew exactly Walder was going to do and even he knows it was a grave violation of the rules of warfare, which is why he went to great lengths to avoid having his name associated with the slaughter, to very little success.
@arianweneverett3910
@arianweneverett3910 2 месяца назад
@@t-rexcellentreviews1663 I never said Tywin didn't break the rules of warfare. He most definitely did. What he didn't do was break guest right, which is a completely different thing in Westeros. One is regarded as dishonorable, the other is the second worst crime a person can commit in Westeros, topped only by kinslaying. There's a big difference between the two in Westeros.
@Courageous91
@Courageous91 2 месяца назад
"When have the iron born ever gotten anything right?!" I cackled in my car hearing this. I'm not gonna lie
@TheFandomeClips
@TheFandomeClips 2 месяца назад
Haha thanks matey we aim to make people smile and thanks for tuning in as always! Liam
@georgeprchal3924
@georgeprchal3924 2 месяца назад
Even the savage Wildlings North of the Wall hold it sacred.
@TheFandomeClips
@TheFandomeClips 2 месяца назад
And those guys wear eachothers bones and eat eachother 😂 thanks for watching George! Liam
@soxpeewee
@soxpeewee Месяц назад
​@@TheFandomeClipseating a fellow guest counts as guest right for the living guest?
@tengotenma
@tengotenma Час назад
Free Folk.
@aprilmae274
@aprilmae274 2 месяца назад
The Guest Right gig-and the Freys. I don't think it is a coincidence that the Freys have a 'rat-like' look about them and Walder Frey has SO many children. After Stevron dies-Walder goes ALL OUT Rat King.The Red Wedding IS the Rat King story ALL over again playing out, lowkey.
@TheFandomeClips
@TheFandomeClips 2 месяца назад
I can dig that! Thanks for watching April! Liam
@The_Malcontented
@The_Malcontented 2 месяца назад
"Fun" fact about how Wyman's pies are allegedly pork pies: according to IRL interviews with people who have eaten human flesh (in some cultures, to eat one's deceased relatives was the greatest symbol of familial love because the deceased are strengthening their surviving family members, and the surviving family members are honoring their deceased relatives by accepting that gift,) human flesh tastes very similar to pork (hence why the euphemism for it that dates back centuries is "long pork" or "long pig.") So maybe Wyman knew that and he claimed they were pork pies so that as the others were eating them, the taste would be similar to what they were expecting
@travismcnasty4239
@travismcnasty4239 9 дней назад
That or he heard about it much in the same way you did. I've never eaten human flesh, nor dog meat. But I have had monkey. It's like a half step between venison and pork, but there is this extra sweetness to it.
@frenchsterr4708
@frenchsterr4708 2 месяца назад
In the books Wyman is lowkey an absolute savage..his fierce loyalty to the Starks is unbelievable
@The_Malcontented
@The_Malcontented 2 месяца назад
"But since when are the Ironborn right about anything" 🤣 Amazing
@treppie
@treppie 2 месяца назад
Even the gods thought Joffrey had it coming.
@TheFandomeClips
@TheFandomeClips 2 месяца назад
They didn't need to intervene they knew that people would eventually have enough of his crap 😂 most satisfying death in TV history lol. Thanks for watching Treppie! Liam
@JohnDoe-vy6ju
@JohnDoe-vy6ju 13 дней назад
@@TheFandomeClips "We are the gods, guest right is the most sacred thing and we will never tolerate any--oh, that shithead? Okay you know what that one's on us, have fun."
@eddieford9373
@eddieford9373 2 месяца назад
The stongest dieties in planetos: the godess of poetic irony and the god of plot armor
@TheFandomeClips
@TheFandomeClips 2 месяца назад
Damn, can't believe we forgot to mention them! - Thom
@carastone3473
@carastone3473 2 месяца назад
“We need the last two books, GEORGE!” YES!!🙌
@MangoMann072
@MangoMann072 2 месяца назад
Walder Frey literally cursed his entire House for petty revenge. And some fools consider him an actual player 😂
@TheFandomeClips
@TheFandomeClips 2 месяца назад
Yeah he's literally one step up from Balon because he understands the concept of allies but not much more than that 😂 Thanks for watching MangoMan! Liam
@soxpeewee
@soxpeewee Месяц назад
Even a bad player is a player that affects the game
@woodyhorton8537
@woodyhorton8537 Месяц назад
The lannisters think he's an idiot too lol
@iErnie56
@iErnie56 Месяц назад
@@soxpeewee he's not a player, he's a pawn
@The_Malcontented
@The_Malcontented 2 месяца назад
The Rat King story is definitely the oldest account of Guest Right, but given that the First Men held and continue to hold it sacred as well (even moreso than the Andals,) and the First Men came to Westeros thousands of years before the Andals, it almost certainly predates the events of The Rat King by a significant margin, and either weren't honored in legend before the legend of the Rat King, or the legend(s) have been lost to the mists of time.
@chainsawing
@chainsawing Месяц назад
Another cool note about this theory: multiple times, castles and keeps are referred to as being “woven” with ancient and powerful magic that protects it from outside influence or magic, such as Melisandre needing to be within the walls of Storm’s End to make the shadow baby work… Guest Right might have a lot to do with the magic of the actual locations and what the simple ritual of guest right sort of “trigger” inside the walls. Just a little spice on the theory! Great video!
@soxpeewee
@soxpeewee Месяц назад
Or if not the location the blood of the nobles
@Mathemagical55
@Mathemagical55 2 месяца назад
Spontaneous blindness? It's the bitter drink that Arya is given every night that keeps her blind and she understands she can refuse it and regain her sight in the morning.
@TheFandomeClips
@TheFandomeClips 2 месяца назад
We know Math, we were approaching it light heartedly 😂 thanks for watching! Liam
@kylecharles4333
@kylecharles4333 2 месяца назад
The way honour is such an important part of Game of thrones has me thinking it's more like a law rather than divine punishment, feels like it's made for the lords to do business in safety, just later adopted by everyone else because it makes sense to keep track of who you can trust in a world that seems so easy to die, love the video and look forward to seeing what's next.
@TheFandomeClips
@TheFandomeClips 2 месяца назад
Thanks for coming by Kyle as always matey! We've got a LF video and an Arthur Dayne theories video in the works and so much more lol. I think there's something to guest right, just not sure its godly and maybe more magical. Thanks for stopping by as always! Liam
@thepunisher6674
@thepunisher6674 2 месяца назад
I think Arya robbing the hound isn’t guest right revenge it’s just her leaving him for dead since he’s still on her list even though he’s protecting her and she’s robbing him because why leave valuable silver
@TheFandomeClips
@TheFandomeClips 2 месяца назад
Its definitely one of the weaker cases, especially when you consider the events that lead to it been a punishment are show only events, the whole deal with the farmer doesn't take place in the books, in fact The Hound actually honors his word to the village who pay him to do some work. Thanks for watching Punisher! Liam
@TV-ge3uj
@TV-ge3uj 2 месяца назад
"Dead men need no silver." - Not to mention that he is the worst sh!t in the Seven Kingdoms.
@thepunisher6674
@thepunisher6674 2 месяца назад
@@TV-ge3uj You clearly haven’t met his brother
@TV-ge3uj
@TV-ge3uj 2 месяца назад
@@thepunisher6674 But the man he killed did snore ...
@thepunisher6674
@thepunisher6674 2 месяца назад
@@TV-ge3uj And his brother did play with his toy
@keirangrant1607
@keirangrant1607 2 месяца назад
HAHAHA! "But since when are the Iron Born right about anything?" Hehehehe, banger!
@TheFandomeClips
@TheFandomeClips 2 месяца назад
Come on you know its true Keiran 😂
@jonathanward9584
@jonathanward9584 2 месяца назад
Cold Hands is confirmed to not be Benjen Stark as far as the books are concerned. That was a show only thing
@The_Malcontented
@The_Malcontented 2 месяца назад
Guest Right and the taboo against kinslaying are basically the only 2 things that everyone, from the Wall to the Summer Sea, from the Sunset Sea to the Narrow Sea, ALL agree upon.
@performingpersephone1603
@performingpersephone1603 2 месяца назад
In ancient Greek culture there's this thing called "Xenios Zeus", which basically meant protection for a guest. Every house had a shrine dedicated to Xenios Zeus and it was regarded as a great hubris to not uphold it. I think that's what inspired Martin.
@TheFandomeClips
@TheFandomeClips 2 месяца назад
It probably is. I know guest right was also a thing in Britain at one time. The Red Wedding is based on a real event called The Black Dinner. Very interesting to hear about its origins in ancient Greece though! Thanks for watching! Liam
@LordBloodraven
@LordBloodraven 2 месяца назад
I chalked up Guest Rite's retributions to idiots tempting fate. Pushing kids out windows and slaughtering the groom's family and friends at a wedding reception invited retaliation, even when the deed was done in secret (like with Jaime). It's not necessarily the Gods responding to the deed, but the inevitable reaction to such things. Bran fell despite being a great climber. This raises questions. The Starks were slaughtered at the Red Wedding in a manner lacking subtlety, inviting rebukes from the Faith as well as other lords throughout the Riverlands and North.
@TheFandomeClips
@TheFandomeClips 2 месяца назад
There's definitely an element of Karma to it my lord. In some of these cases especially Ellaria and Walder its definitely more a case of cause and effect I find. Thanks for tuning in as always mate, always nice to see you in the comments! Liam
@The_Malcontented
@The_Malcontented 2 месяца назад
I LOVE your Magic Pact theory. Never thought of that but it makes so much sense!
@haloman117fanatic
@haloman117fanatic 23 дня назад
The other thing you’ve got to take into account is that by breaking guest law you are also breaking your word. And that by breaking your word your believability and credibility go through the toilet. I think and they lived long enough the phrase “never trust a Fray” would have become quite a popular one.
@haydenhodgson8716
@haydenhodgson8716 2 месяца назад
Another great video guys, absolutely love it. Also, liam is just so carasamatic with his voice could listen for hours. Keep it up guys you deserve so much !!
@TheFandomeClips
@TheFandomeClips 2 месяца назад
Thanks Hayden I honestly appreciate that! Its nice to have my voice liked instead of being compared to Matt Berry from the IT crowd 😂 thanks for watching as always matey! Liam
@thesoupofthebrain2446
@thesoupofthebrain2446 2 месяца назад
I'm pretty sure this falls under the power resides where you think it does. For a long time this was a rule that kept the peace. Anyone who was caught breaking it had major consequences. It tried friends to enemies swiftly. I would say the gods didn't have much to do with it
@TheFandomeClips
@TheFandomeClips 2 месяца назад
I think this is a pretty good explanation. The biggest hole in the theory for me personally is the fact that some of the stronger examples come from the show, and DnD likely aren't as watchful for avoiding tropes as GRRM is. Still its an interesting idea though! Thanks for tuning in as always Soupy! Liam
@hastur3201
@hastur3201 2 месяца назад
Watching some scenes from the show I just realized how cool it would be if Hafthor played the role of Hodor instead of The Mountain
@TheFandomeClips
@TheFandomeClips 2 месяца назад
The first guy was definitely the best guy to play the Mountain in my opinion. I like the original Hodor actor to be honest, he was really good at showing us that child like simplicity. Thanks for watching Hastur! Liam
@hastur3201
@hastur3201 2 месяца назад
@@TheFandomeClips Yeah, they guy did a great job with his childish facial expressions, that's true. I just finished the second book and now reading the third one, and it's mentioned on multiple ocasions that Hodor had supermuscular arms and upper body, that's why i thought about Hafthor.
@thehalfmanTL
@thehalfmanTL 2 месяца назад
Baelish is an enigma.. outside of time and consequences 😂
@TheFandomeClips
@TheFandomeClips 2 месяца назад
He certainly bloody was season 5 onwards 😂 thanks for watching as always Halfman! Liam
@TP1988
@TP1988 2 месяца назад
I’m afraid it turns out you’re really good at these fan theory videos. My condolences.
@TheFandomeClips
@TheFandomeClips 2 месяца назад
Haha thanks TP, Thom has already told me to get another one in the works lol. Thanks for watching as always mate! Liam
@counterspellgoon6854
@counterspellgoon6854 2 месяца назад
jaime didnt kill bran, so the gods only returned the favor and maimed jamie of the same hand he pushed bran out with and crippled the boy.
@TheFandomeClips
@TheFandomeClips 2 месяца назад
See i thought it might be the same hand, but we're never told which hand it is in the books and in the show he does it with his left hand, can't believe the show missed the opportunity to reinforce that idea. Thanks for watching counterspellgoon! Liam
@counterspellgoon6854
@counterspellgoon6854 2 месяца назад
@@TheFandomeClips I think the show is a misnomer. And while yes we haven't heard explicitly through the books it was his right hand. We can however infer it as such given the other guest right breakers circumstances after such events occur
@11bluekitkats
@11bluekitkats 2 месяца назад
Man you guys gotta make some more theory videos this was awesome! It makes me wonder is there any instances before the show where people took revenge after guest right was broken?
@TheFandomeClips
@TheFandomeClips 2 месяца назад
Already got the next one in the works SW danger good buddy! All the mysteries around Arthur Dayne! And some day I'm hoping we can get to luke vs luke! Thanks for watching as always matey! Liam
@11bluekitkats
@11bluekitkats 2 месяца назад
@@TheFandomeClips That should we another great one! I’m so pumped to work on Luke vs Luke with you guys!
@Gunleaver
@Gunleaver День назад
The Rat Cook story is not the origin of guest right, rather it is merely a story illustrating the extreme of the custom. The actual origin is, like the rules of warfare, rooted in practical necessity. Basically, people have to be able to trust one another when offering or accepting shelter. Inns, such as we know them from inaccurate fantasy stories, were not much of a thing in a medieval era, and came about much later (the region of Middle Earth from which the Hobbits come is more inspired by modern times than the actual middle ages - that's why the Fellowship doesn't stop at any other inns after Bree). If you were going to venture far from home, which few people did, you would need to be given food (ditto above re: restaurants, even more so) & shelter by others. So for travel to be possible, the idea arose that you HAD to be welcoming to guests in need of shelter, and in turn, guests had to behave scrupulously well toward their hosts. There are real world legends of Zeus or Odin (depending on the culture; others besides the Greeks & Germanic folk had similar legends & fables) traveling in disguise to test the hospitality of people they meet along the way, and rewarding generous hosts and punishing the niggardly or inhospitable. It's like respecting truces and parlays in warfare, and treating captured wounded enemies or surrendering men well. The point is to avoid degenerating to a state of vicious brutality, every man for himself and conflicts playing out to the brutal end. These customs allow men to surrender, saving the lives it would take to finish the battle by killing them, and allow enemies to take a time out to talk through their issue and find ways to resolve a conflict with less bloodshed. This is what we see playing out in the last two books, after the Red Wedding, and even starting the Epilogue to the book where it takes place. Merrett Frey is thoroughly harmless. His death brings no great aid to the enemies of House Frey, nor does it hurt them all that much, or cause them much grief. And as the Brotherhood plainly acknowledge when doing it, it means an end to any ransoms of captive Freys, because Walder is not going to trust a second such offer. And Merrett came in good faith, under an implicit truce, to ransom a captive. It is in everyone's interest to make such exchanges go well, so each side can get what they want. But because of their transgression against hospitality & guest right, the Freys are considered fair game by the religiously devout Brotherhood. Furthermore, they are so hated and people so outraged at their transgression that the prospect of future ransoms does not interest them nearly as much as the chance to kill two rather pointless Freys. We see the same thing at work with anecdotes of other killings, including some by men who have clearly surrendered in expectation of having their lives spared. It is at the root of the Blackfish's refusal to accept even the most generous terms from Jaime, because the Lannisters and Freys have a track record of unreliability in this regard, with Jaime's breaking of his oath of service in the Kingsguard compounding the loss of credibility his father & Walder Frey earned from carrying out the Red Wedding. The Freys & Lannisters broke the rules, so the rules no longer apply to them. You don't have to respect their rights as your guests or hosts (Tom O'Sevens is almost certainly conspiring with his brethren to massacre any Lannisters & Freys they can catch in Riverrun, despite the fact that by taking service there, as he indicates he plans to do when speaking to Jaime (and trying to entice Jaime to stay to here his playing, including a rendition of the Rains of Castamere), despite that being a similar violation of guest right and allegiance. We see it at play with everything Wyman Manderly does, such as telling Davos that when dealing with liars, an honest man must lie, and murdering three men in cold blood, while conforming to the bare minimum technical adherence to the laws of hospitality, in giving them guest gifts to formally end their guest-host relationship, all the while probably setting them up to be murdered the moment they set foot outside his door, if that.
@t-rexcellentreviews1663
@t-rexcellentreviews1663 2 месяца назад
After the mutiny at Crastor’s Keep, their were nine surviving mutineers, Ollo Lophand, Clubfoot Karl and Dirk among them, their would have been ten, one of Lark’s cousins, but he broke his neck from a fall while chasing one of Crastor’s wives, later five of the mutineers were killed by Coldhands, with Ollo Lophand being confirmed among their number by a one handed corpse being seen through Summer’s eyes, since Coldhands was originally a member of the Nights Watch and the Mutineer’s killed several of their own black brothers during the mutiny, Ollo in particular killing Lord Commander Mormont, their deaths at the hands of an undead Ranger doing the bidding of both Bloodraven and the Children of the Forest, and by extension, the Old Gods as well, is very fitting end for them, especially since afterwards their remains were eaten. As for the remaining four, of which might or might not include Clubfoot Karl and Dirk, we still don’t know exactly what happened to them, they could still be alive at Crastor’s, but given that they have now lost over half of their original numbers, it’s quite possible that Crastor’s wives could have overpowered them and slaughtered them as well, and even if they haven’t, I don’t see them lasting long when the Others eventually show back up at Crastor’s Keep, expecting a new baby to transform into an Other and they mutineers will have none to offer, besides their own bodies as future Wights.
@TheFandomeClips
@TheFandomeClips 2 месяца назад
I think that's a great point about Coldhands been a former nights watch member! It does actually help back up the theory in the books! Thanks for watching! Liam
@andreasul2608
@andreasul2608 Месяц назад
Moral of the video: If you live in westeros, betray people you fed only if you're just about to die. Effectively sending a message to the gods as a bonus.
@cart3rsh0rt47
@cart3rsh0rt47 2 месяца назад
Little finger died grasping at his throat just like Joffrey
@TheFandomeClips
@TheFandomeClips 2 месяца назад
Someone else has pointed that out to us Cart! But appreciate people pointing it out as its really good point in favour of the theory! Thanks for watching! Liam
@TV4Fun2
@TV4Fun2 2 месяца назад
Technically, Craster broke guest right first by attacking Karl. Karl was just defending himself. Would the gods have considered Karl's verbal insult to be enough to break guest right first?
@TheFandomeClips
@TheFandomeClips 2 месяца назад
I think it might be who causes the harm first, while Craster may have attacked first I don't think he managed to harm his guest at all, Karl was the one who actually slew his host, I'm sure guests and hosts can have rows and little bust ups as long as they don't do any serious harm, otherwise I doubt people would choose keeps as a place to negotiate with their enemies or people they don't get along with lol. But you do raise an interesting point, what is the threshold of harm in which it takes to break guest right? Thanks for watching TV4fun! Liam
@thegreatpage5912
@thegreatpage5912 2 месяца назад
Tanner also gets a sword through the mouth, like he did Craster. If the rat cook was a member of the Nights Watch how does he have children to consume in the first place. Aren't they forbidden from fathering children.
@TheFandomeClips
@TheFandomeClips 2 месяца назад
Don’t ask questions! 😂 Maybe he was a cool but not a nights watch member 👀😂
@phnompenhandy
@phnompenhandy Месяц назад
Great video, fully convincing, but you might have strengthened your case by mentioning 'the one that got away' - Renly's peach. Had Stannis bitten the peach, he would have inadvertently accepted guest right and would not have 'fathered' the shadow baby.
@jordanvangundy975
@jordanvangundy975 2 месяца назад
I’m confused. Roose Bolton wasn’t stabbed. He was poisoned by his enemies.
@TheFandomeClips
@TheFandomeClips 2 месяца назад
😂 Bloody brilliant stuff Jordan! That got a really good laugh out of me! Thanks for watching mate! Liam
@SerunaXI
@SerunaXI Месяц назад
If it's possible that Arya isn't quite herself anymore, but one of the faceless ones, then she might be a punishment from above.
@alanmike6883
@alanmike6883 2 месяца назад
The manderlys are faithful to the starks. Since we know magic exists in this world, and it's resurgence since the rebirth of danys dragons, i totally buy into the curse
@TheFandomeClips
@TheFandomeClips 2 месяца назад
They bloody are, I can't name a single one of my family members who would kill my enemies and bake them into a pie for me 😂 Thanks for watching as always Alan! Liam
@alanmike6883
@alanmike6883 2 месяца назад
@@TheFandomeClips Starks should intermarried with them don't you think? 😁
@voltronsbluelion
@voltronsbluelion Месяц назад
Ok you finally sold me -- on the part about Guest-right being the ONLY force in SOIAF that has a tangible, predictable result re-balancing the justice. That's something to fear no matter where it comes from, especially in an un-just world.
@soxpeewee
@soxpeewee Месяц назад
Olenna doesn't violate guest rights. It was her food and Joffery's home. Joffery didn't give her guest rights... Jaime doesn't break guest rights either as you cannot harm your host or guest within the walls and Bran is outside and the ruins are no longer used. Technicalities FT!
@exilhannabal
@exilhannabal 2 месяца назад
Guest right appears to me the kind of magic law kinda thing that either just kinda exists the same capacity as Threshholds for vampires due to the inherent intent Ppĺ have respected it so long that it _is_ and you cant just violate it because either the universe will punish you or other people will punish you Magic reinforced karma, basically
@TheFandomeClips
@TheFandomeClips 2 месяца назад
I like that idea! Thanks for watching Hannabal! Liam
@devinm524
@devinm524 2 месяца назад
16:12 on the topic of theology in ASOIAF, Many of the actors did some readings of narration one of my favorites was Jorah Mormont talking about the statues of the gods in Vaes Dothrak starting with the Horse Gate ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-z3bA13LKSxU.htmlsi=vmv9CSlKXDI4Zsxw "through it is the god's way, where the Dohtraki dragged the sacred idols of the cities and peoples they have broken, on one side, stone gods look down on you from cracked thrones with chipped and stained faces, their names lost to time. Across the road monsters watch you pass, black iron dragons with jewels for eyes, roaring griffons, maticores with barbed tails poised to strike and other terrible beasts from every corner in Esos. But there is nothing to fear, if these gods and devils had any power, it never would have ended here." so very matter of fact and poignant, the disillusionment alone is romantic. and for those that want to correct me that the video is talking about religions in Westeros, i circle back to the timestamp where the question was about religion within the ASOIAF universe, and remind you that R'hllor was from Esos
@TheFandomeClips
@TheFandomeClips 2 месяца назад
All of Ian/Jorahs narrations were absolutely amazing. I love stuff that approaches it from an in world perspective. Thanks for watching! Liam
@layelaye
@layelaye 2 месяца назад
Karl fookin Tanner did not brrak guest right. It was Kraster who attacked first, technically Karl just killed him in self defence
@TheFandomeClips
@TheFandomeClips 2 месяца назад
I would say he still did to be honest, it might be a case of who actually causes harm first, Craster may have attacked first but Karl is the first person to do actual physical harm. You could also argue that intent plays a role, Craster may have attacked first but you can't deny that Karl Fookin Tanner is the one who starts the altercation with his insults. Its not self defence if your actively provoking someone to attack. Thanks for watching Layelaye! Liam
@thepunisher6674
@thepunisher6674 2 месяца назад
I do not believe the gods or even prophecy is real in the ASOIAF universe but people in the universe believe they do, rheagar believes in prophecy and that drives him to manipulate Lyanna and start Robert’s rebellion. The gods may not exist but people do believe in guest right and will now be coming for the Frey’s (even those who weren’t involved) with vengeance on their minds either way
@TheFandomeClips
@TheFandomeClips 2 месяца назад
Red Wedding 2.0 is a very popular theory with lady stoneheart concluding affairs with the cutting of Walders throat. -Liam
@thepunisher6674
@thepunisher6674 2 месяца назад
@@TheFandomeClips Yeah it probably will happen and Jaime and brienne will probably get roped into it and either brienne or Jaime will put lady stone heart to rest
@Shadowwind4
@Shadowwind4 2 месяца назад
Great video I love the concept of guest right in game of thrones!
@TheFandomeClips
@TheFandomeClips 2 месяца назад
Thanks Shadow! Yeah it definitely seems more perilous than our real world equivalent! Thanks for watching matey! Liam
@ashsuna7774
@ashsuna7774 Месяц назад
I only recently got into GoT (was too young to watch when it came out) and I'm enjoying it a fair amount but I'm constantly in a state of understanding amusement at the rage of "WE STILL NEED THE LAST TWO BOOKS GEORGE"
@TheFandomeClips
@TheFandomeClips Месяц назад
Absolutely! Winds of Winter constantly feels like it’s just around the corner 😂 - Thom
@Uzair_Of_Babylon465
@Uzair_Of_Babylon465 2 месяца назад
Great video keep it up you're doing amazing things 😁💯
@TheFandomeClips
@TheFandomeClips 2 месяца назад
Thanks Uzair! We'll try our best! Liam
@NathanWeeks
@NathanWeeks 2 месяца назад
I feel like people are being overly critical of Walder Frey. Sure he's nasty about it, but he's basically playing the same game the other lesser houses are. He tried to marry off a daughter to potentially the next king, when that failed he shifted allegiances, married a daughter off to the soon-to-be new Warden of the North, and got in good with the ruling family of Westeros. Sure, he lacks the cunning, charm, or hygiene of the Tyrells, but he's not that different.
@priximus2254
@priximus2254 28 дней назад
Magic is power, and like Varys says, power resides where people believe it resides
@someguyoutthere110
@someguyoutthere110 Месяц назад
Even if "gods" don't exist, that doesnt preclude the existence of very powerful humans (or Children etc) acting as gods. Maybe time-traveling Bran is just punishing everyone who breaks guest right because of what it did to his family.
@aprilmae274
@aprilmae274 Месяц назад
Can Olenna Tyrell violate guest right if it is ALL her food, etc?
@prico3358
@prico3358 23 дня назад
❤🎉How Ghost became Lord Commander of the Nights watch: - Ghost took his vows with Jon and Sam at the heart tree. - He remained at Castle Black during Jon's absence, indicating his commitment to the Night's Watch. - Ghost stayed behind during the Battle of the Bastards, adhering to the Night's Watch's neutrality. - He joined the Battle of Winterfell only after the Night's Watch abandoned their post. - Ghost bravely fought in the Long Night and assumed leadership after Edd's death. - Even in Jon's absence, Ghost continued to guard Castle Black. - Ghost's actions exemplify loyalty and duty, making him the unspoken leader of the Night's Watch.
@carastone3473
@carastone3473 2 месяца назад
Great video!
@TheFandomeClips
@TheFandomeClips 2 месяца назад
Hey Again Cara ! Glad you enjoyed it :D
@user-wj6dl6dt2r
@user-wj6dl6dt2r 2 месяца назад
Where did the great commanders video go? Demonitazion?
@gamebawesome
@gamebawesome 2 месяца назад
Hello, I hope you don't mind me bringing this up, but I think you Best Commanders video got taken down. Can't seem to find it anywhere, and I loved that video.
@TheFandomeClips
@TheFandomeClips 2 месяца назад
No problem at all! It was taken down and we'll be reupping it in the future :) Hopefully bypass those pesky claimers at HBO! -Thom
@walksaselk40
@walksaselk40 2 месяца назад
GRR martin is watching this going "yeah, I mean't to do that... what of it?"
@OurHiltsHurt
@OurHiltsHurt 2 месяца назад
Yo how did you animate Lord Maderly lol
@TheFandomeClips
@TheFandomeClips 2 месяца назад
Thom is just wizard Hilts, he proves the existence of magic in our world lol! Thanks for stopping by mate! Liam
@acouplegamerz3340
@acouplegamerz3340 2 месяца назад
Joffrey and Little Finger both die clawing their throats and choking on their blood.
@TheFandomeClips
@TheFandomeClips 2 месяца назад
South Park Cop meme- Niiiice! I wish we had made that connection! Bloody good stuff 👏 Thanks for watching acouplegamerz! Liam
@mathewparry9256
@mathewparry9256 25 дней назад
Hopefully Frey dies of old age, less clichéd, however the house of Frey is going to end up eating itself, foreshadowed and already in motion in the books.
@Gunleaver
@Gunleaver 23 часа назад
There is a difference between being an atheist who writes a series where people are on their own, and not having gods in the story. What it appears in aSoI&F is that just as gods were invented in the real world to explain natural phenomena like death, the seeming movement of the sun and weather, at least some the gods of aSoI&F are similar legends applied to preternatural or paranormal entities, like demons, or magic beings. We know there are such beings, such as the Others or the demon summoned by a mage who bought Varys. R'hollor or the Drowned God might simply be labels that humanity has slapped on beings of this type. Where Martin's atheism comes into play is that these beings are no more interested in humans, or fit their priests' description of their desires and ethos and benevolent intentions toward humanity, than the sun does for the priests of the many, many cultures who worshipped it over the millennia. I think the Drowned God is at least as likely to be real as any other deity in the setting. Not that the Ironborn are right about "his" nature, but there are a few references to the works of HP Lovecraft tied to the Ironborn, such as the mysterious nature of the Seastone Chair which the Greyjoys use for a throne, the recurring name "Dagon" (an underwater deity in Lovecraft's mythos), the description of the Codds not being too dissimilar to the people of Innsmouth, and even the main prayer of the drowned priests, "What is dead may never die, but rises again, stronger and harder" seems to have been inspired by the infamous poem about Lovecraft's Old Ones, such as Dagon and Cthulhu, “That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die.” I think the Drowned God is a Great Old One type of creature, a primordial being completely removed from, and indifferent to, humanity. Not the stern patriarch that Aeron envisions, but a monster with just enough magical side effects or power trickling down to humans who work hard enough for it, to be the basis of a religion. I believe it was an encounter with the Drowned God that changed Patchface and gave him his very real powers of prophecy and I think Euron is preparing a rite to summon it in Winds of Winter which is going to be very bad news for Oldtown and maybe the rest of the Reach. I think R'hollor is the same sort of being - a powerful entity that is NOT the source of life and goodness that Melisandre and co preach, and has its own concerns, that are not necessarily protecting people against the forces of darkness and liberating slaves, but nonetheless, does offer power for sacrifices and allow humans to glimpse the future. The thing with most of the gods is that it is hard to say what is actually prayers being answered and what is simply magic that is being done by humans tapping into a source of power in the world. The old gods of the Children of the Forest seem to actually be the spirits of greenseers and whatnot who still linger in the collective weirwood consciousness, so they are almost entirely the powers of living creatures being mistaken for godhood. Meanwhile Melisandre uses magic with spells as well as chemical tricks and credits it all to miracles granted by R'hollor. But one spell she uses, the glamor that conceals Mance Rayder's identity we see being used in The Mystery Knight by Bloodraven, who is never shown to be affiliated with R'hollor in any way. SOMETHING kept Patchface alive under the ocean for days, when most people die after mere minutes, so maybe the Drowned God is actually granting some power to revive drowned men, or maybe the priests have somehow discovered a mental technique for tapping into that power to bring them back, or maybe it's just mundane life-saving techniques. It seems a little uncanny at least the Aeron has never lost a man to the process, unlike any other living priest. Is it possible to be THAT skilled with pumping water out of people's lungs? I'd think the constitution and conditions of the drowning would have more to do with the survival rate than the talent or ability of the reviver. Maybe it's a natural technique augmented with some sort of preternatural power, but who is to say whether it's a natural spell, like the disguise spell that Melisandre & Bloodraven both use, or a bloodline talent (like the warg talent of the Stark children) which the Greyjoys have more of than most Ironborn, or the result of actual contact with a preternatual entity, like happened with the guy who gelded Varys.
@batosi3112
@batosi3112 2 месяца назад
The old gods and the lord of Light definitely exist in ASOIAF. I do agree magic has alot to do with it.
@joels5150
@joels5150 2 месяца назад
When is Guest Right allowed to be revoked? What if a guest has overstated their welcome by a few months? What if they keep raiding the pantry without ever contributing and they sleep on the couch all day? There has got to be a limit to how much hospitality you are required to provide 🤷‍♀️
@soxpeewee
@soxpeewee Месяц назад
Sharing with an invitation...I think if you revoke the invitation and the guests take anyway then it doesn't count. For example, the nights watchmen who were actually "kicked out" by Craster after HE broke the guest right.
@DominionSorcerer
@DominionSorcerer Месяц назад
Guest right is extended each time the guest accepts food under the host's roof. By not offering someone food the host is making it clear they will not give them guest right, by not accepting food the guest makes it clear he is not accepting guest right and will soon leave.
@sakonaga1
@sakonaga1 11 дней назад
Does Danny in Quarth count with Daxos?
@neodigremo
@neodigremo 2 месяца назад
I've got to say I disagree with the conclusion that the God's of Westeros do not exist. As you say about R'hllor at least that the followers do have legit abilities that others do not. The combinations of prophecy and resurrection alone suggest there is some entity or force that gives them power. Now some of what Mel does (the shadow baby) is more general magic, but the bringing back of Stoneheart and Beric is kind of out there compared to everything else. It all hinges on what you mean by a God. In ASOIAF it seems to be a term applied to some sort of entity with abilities beyond human powers able to be called upon for favours. The only question is if the force that gives priest of R'hllor power is an entity of some other kind of force. Is there a mind there. If so then it fits that definition of a god. Now whether the characters are right about the Gods, or the Gods being benevolent, is a separate question. I think it does kind of fit the aesthetic of the world that the most probably real God is a complete prick who wants human sacrifice.
@TheFandomeClips
@TheFandomeClips 2 месяца назад
Oh the lord of light definitely screws with the iron clad atheistic argument that's for sure. The other faiths you can chaulk up the abilities to just general magic usage. But the sacrifice element to TLOTs rituals is definitely the thread that keeps the idea that there might be devine in the world hanging. I think that's what makes it so intriguing, just enough to say MAYBE but no where near enough to say YES. Thanks for watching as always Neo! Liam
@TV-ge3uj
@TV-ge3uj 2 месяца назад
In another video it was stated that the Seven may have the least evidence on their side, but they are also the *only* deities expected to answer to mere prayers, whereas any other deity gets sacrifices (usually in blood). The Old Andals gave sacrifices themselves to the Seven, and they are said to have received gifts in return.
@Gunleaver
@Gunleaver День назад
This video is incorrect about the book fate of the mutineers, and it was VERY ironic. Don't think for a moment that the hack show bettered Martin in such a literary manner. The mutineers are, in fact, dead, killed by Coldhands (whom Martin specifically denied was Benjen in a note to his editor or publisher). The information is not explicit, being filtered through Bran's awareness of events, but at one point in their journey together, Coldhands turns back to deal with a threat, and from what we see through Bran's warging and comments Coldhands makes on his return, he definitely killed the deserters, some of whom were already being eaten by the wolves Varamyr once controlled, and which Bran encounters in Summer's skin. When Coldhands returns to the group he has acquired pork, which they eat. Allegedly, somehow, Coldhands found a life pig when even the wolves could not find any game and were scavenging old human corpses. LOL, nope. The pork used to be a mutineer. So yes, the mutineers, who violated guest right desiring food and shelter and fearing to fight the undead, end up being murdered by a sort-of undead for food to keep some humans alive to continue the fight the mutineers abandoned.
@jenny_of_oldstones3523
@jenny_of_oldstones3523 Месяц назад
Fun video guys!!!!
@aprilmae274
@aprilmae274 2 месяца назад
Manderly is not skating a fine line. He gave them Guest Gifts-Barbrey is behind THAT sweet loophole move. Manderly brings ALL his own food and fodder to Winterfell and NO hostages. Ie will not be breaking Guest Right. And hey! Take a closer look at those nice little ponies Barbrey gave the Frey Boys. In text, Manderly does not plan on living much longer at all and he has set HIS part of THE plan in motion before he ever leaves White Harbor. I'm gona skip to the Gods/Old Gods but I had to say, Barbrey is behind almost all of the North plotline currently. She is even starting to figure out how LF is screwing her with the Fake Arya. So the Gods. They exist to the characters in text-but they are in fact Game Masters of a sort. The House of the Undying, in text, was also a GM. THAT Heart. Another is in the cave where Blood Raven and Bran are in text currently. Guest Right exists for the same reason the other FEW basic rules exist in text...to further the Game. So the Players have neutral ground to meet on, etc. In text-there are Rules set down throughout. A few Unbreakable Rules that are SO important to the Game that to transgress offends BOTH Gods AND Man. THOSE Rules are Game Rules. In text tere are 2 stories playing out-one is the surface 'reality' and the other is the Game. You have to Know YOUR Name to start Playing. Little Finger spells it out for Sansa on his boat after Joff dies. Theon as well in his last chapters. There are 'hidden' GM's in text and THESE are also the God's. Euron is a character who is finding these God's/GM's and killing them. Dany has killed a couple..and Bran and Arya are about when the books pick back up. Bran is going to kill BR/the Children in that cave and Arya is going to take out the HoBaW. Pretty sure Euron just took out Starry Sept by the end of Forsaken chapter. He says only old women left in Oldtown/the Reach so yeah-that region has fallen. That's gona be a few more Gods/GM's gone. These books are genius like crazy fun-I think it might be why so many peeps get confused. Because it is hard to just accept that it is SUPPOSED to be literally insane to read. It is insanity laid out beautifully in a way that would make Lewis Carroll, C.S Lewis and Terry Pratchett practically jealous. Honestly-most authors should be SO impressed with this ENTIRE storyline. Nothing like this has ever been written SO well.
@user-cq1cw8xz7f
@user-cq1cw8xz7f 2 месяца назад
I really like it being a sort of magic ritual that binds guest and host, I'll use it in dnd campaigns for sure
@seldomsane5278
@seldomsane5278 2 месяца назад
Great vid. Yeah, I follow a similar train of thought about the gods. More likely it is a moral of respect passed down. Other than fantastic elements like magic and dragons, it is a world not too different to our own, at least at a human level.
@TheFandomeClips
@TheFandomeClips 2 месяца назад
Its a fascinating topic when it comes to the gods, there's just enough evidence to say hmmmm maybe, but nowhere near enough to say yes for definite. Definitely wouldn't mess around with TLOL and his followers though, magic or gods they can out their money where their mouth is, no wonder Stannis backs them lol. Thanks for watching SeldomSane, always good to see you in the comments! Liam
@seldomsane5278
@seldomsane5278 2 месяца назад
@@TheFandomeClips Cheers mate. Yeah, not sure I've missed a vid since I started watching your channel. Solid content as always.
@joshwells3782
@joshwells3782 Месяц назад
I love how grrm does the horrors of war i dont like it but it's real we suffer when the elite play at war
@vexi1231
@vexi1231 2 месяца назад
Question.. Is high garden in king landing? Would Olana's family be there?
@TheFandomeClips
@TheFandomeClips 2 месяца назад
High Garden is in the Reach. When we're referring to Olena watching her family die we're referencing the show where the main players of the Tyrell family are wiped at during the sept wildfire explosion. Thanks for watching! Liam
@jasmineolivine
@jasmineolivine Месяц назад
What about Bloodraven inviting the Blackfyre heirs to KL under a peace banner and then having them executed? I feel like they broke bread and salt when they arrived, am I misremembering...? Interesting that someone with such intimate knowledge of magical forces in the world would disregard this so brazenly and then go on to magically outlive everyone of his time.
@DominionSorcerer
@DominionSorcerer Месяц назад
Bloodraven offered Aenys Blackfyre safe conduct to King's Landing, but had him arrested and dragged off in chains to be executed as soon as he arrived at the city gates. Aenys was not offered guest rights, but Bloodraven was still sent to the Wall for this murder.
@mistmanjones3555
@mistmanjones3555 2 месяца назад
What real world taboo do you think is just as powerful and reviled as breaking guest right? 🤔
@TheFandomeClips
@TheFandomeClips 2 месяца назад
Guest right does actually have its basis in our history. The laws of hospitality were held sacred in Britain and it was considered taboo to break them. The Red Wedding is actually based on a real massacre called The Black Dinner. Thanks for watching Mistman! Liam
@dakotalange2858
@dakotalange2858 2 месяца назад
Got the 👑!
@magicaljagical647
@magicaljagical647 Месяц назад
Weren’t the Wights created by the Children of the Forest(who worshipped the Old gods) the ones who created them during their war against the First Men or was that a show only thing that was revealed?
@DominionSorcerer
@DominionSorcerer Месяц назад
Show only thing (so far).
@CastlesLaw1911
@CastlesLaw1911 Месяц назад
I take it you only believe in what you can see and hold? Like a breeze or gravity?? Every “character driven poetic justice” could easily have been inspired by the gods. Just because it seems “convenient”, doesn’t mean it is untrue or impossible. Open you mind
@runkelpokk9
@runkelpokk9 2 месяца назад
the coping is strong in the asoiaf comunity
@TheFandomeClips
@TheFandomeClips 2 месяца назад
Oh lighten up sour pants, its just a fan theory 😂 Yhe community has got to do something to keep us entertained till we get the next book
@datnoob4394
@datnoob4394 2 месяца назад
On the Gods and Magic point, at what point does that make a difference? Maybe the Magic users that cause the evidence of the Old Gods are the old gods? And on the point of Goerge being too good a writer to betray the arc of his narrative, I don't think he has a choice, the story demands the narrative arc of anarchy be betrayed.
@TheFandomeClips
@TheFandomeClips 2 месяца назад
I think it honestly depends on what you would classify as a god to be honest. Someone like the Three Eyed Raven would certainly make the cut for some cultures, as would Drogon for others. Its quite subjective for ASOIAF. I think that's what makes it so interesting, just enough evidence to say maybe, but not enough to say yes with certainty. Thanks for watching Dat Noob! Liam
@hilaryhongkong
@hilaryhongkong 2 месяца назад
Wouldn't the unique existence of Lady Stoneheart itself be proof that it's a thing?
@TheFandomeClips
@TheFandomeClips 2 месяца назад
I think it depends on how much stock you put in the idea of destiny and devine will. It certainly looks like there is definitely something to it thats for sure! Thanks for watching Hilary! Liam
@alexanderisjesus5358
@alexanderisjesus5358 2 месяца назад
@The Fandome can you make a what if danny won the game of Thrones?
@TheFandomeClips
@TheFandomeClips 2 месяца назад
Its on the list Alex matey! Those vids are a lot of work (we try to at least get some of our points right 😂) but don't worry its on the list, same as Littlefinger and Dorne and so on! Thanks for watching! Liam
@jenniferodonnell2394
@jenniferodonnell2394 Месяц назад
My dumb but thought that the lord of light, the faceless man god, the great other were all part of the same religion. I am saying that because in pagen religion are more than one god/goddess.
@happybee7725
@happybee7725 2 месяца назад
Yes I think the asoiaf gods are real but I’m not sure in which form they exist but I think it will be some kind of earth bound being or beings with a visible form. Not an invisible entity that resides in heaven like a lot of the gods of our world. Obviously these gods will have some kind of magic. I do think they are influencing people and events. Like when they find the wolves and Bran getting crippled for example.
@TheFandomeClips
@TheFandomeClips 2 месяца назад
Thats an interesting theroy, especially when you consider the great other! I suppose it also comes down to what you define as a god. In some cultures, beings like the three eyed raven, The Others and even Danys Dragons might make the cut. Thanks for watching Happy Bee! Liam
@happybee7725
@happybee7725 2 месяца назад
@@TheFandomeClips Yes I agree it depends on what you would consider a god.
@chipkolat4055
@chipkolat4055 2 месяца назад
who are the strongest gods in game of thrones there a list for you. you have the lord of light, the 7 , old gods , gods of winter , drown god and thats just westeros
@TheFandomeClips
@TheFandomeClips 2 месяца назад
Rhlor. Question that and we may have to burn you... :p -Thom
@chipkolat4055
@chipkolat4055 2 месяца назад
@@TheFandomeClips i counter with the deep ones whats your god of fire god going to do to me under the deeps of the sea
@soxpeewee
@soxpeewee Месяц назад
Storm God is doing something in the background
@bungalowfeuhler1541
@bungalowfeuhler1541 22 дня назад
The gods do exist. They are George.
@johnaverill6308
@johnaverill6308 2 месяца назад
You missed the biggest evidence that the drowned god and all the gods are real: patchface
@TheFandomeClips
@TheFandomeClips 2 месяца назад
Bloody patchface 😂 that guy is one scary MF. Might be cthuhu in human form in all honesty 😂 thanks for watching John! Liam
@zachnichols6434
@zachnichols6434 2 месяца назад
You forgot that Carl F-ing Tanner put a knife in Crastas mouth and then, Jon put a knife in Carl F-ing Tanners mouth. Good video, but you forgot so...1 star, better luck next time.
@TheFandomeClips
@TheFandomeClips 2 месяца назад
😂 haha we understand, such an oversight deserves punishment of the highest order! Thansk for watching Zach! Liam
@KarlTriebel
@KarlTriebel Месяц назад
"Frote" 😀
@Felzorful
@Felzorful 2 месяца назад
The gods are just powerfull magic user of the time. Like imo dany ending is that she replace the 7 as the mein 7 kingdom goddes.
@TheFandomeClips
@TheFandomeClips 2 месяца назад
Are your sure Danys ending isn't a knife in the gut like it is in the show? 😂 I agree with you though, the gods are likely to be just the more powerful magic users in the world. Thansk for watching Felzorful! Liam
@Avatar1977
@Avatar1977 2 месяца назад
Wyman Manderley is a fucking badass
@TheFandomeClips
@TheFandomeClips 2 месяца назад
People say its his weight that makes it so he can't seat a horse but let's be real its his colossal balls that hinder him 😂 can't wait to see his revenge come full circle in the books!thanks for watching Avatar! Liam
@tmdwu43
@tmdwu43 2 месяца назад
Did Dany break Guest Right at The House Of The Undying??????
@TheFandomeClips
@TheFandomeClips 2 месяца назад
I don't think she shared food and drink (it has to be both i believe) with the bald dudes so I don't think the law was invoked. Thanks for watching Tmdwu. Liam
@Tohma_Ed
@Tohma_Ed 2 месяца назад
HI TOHM
@TheFandomeClips
@TheFandomeClips 2 месяца назад
Hi! :D
@jenny_of_oldstones3523
@jenny_of_oldstones3523 Месяц назад
I don't know if the gods exist but magic does and magic don't like breaking guest right!!!
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