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The Heartbreaking Tragedy of JR Richard 

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JR Richard was the best pitcher in MLB in 1980, and could've been the Jacob deGrom of the 1980s, but just over a decade after starting the All-Star Game for the Astros, he was homeless. Here's his story.
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@sailorjerry3720
@sailorjerry3720 Год назад
I was a bartender in Houston in the late nineties/early 00's at a pool hall and JR would stop by regularly to sip a beer and listen to old jazz on the jukebox. He had an enormous laugh and if you shook his hand yours would disappear. He was quiet most of the time and knew a lot about billiards and music. Miss seeing him.
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
I would’ve loved to have just one conversation with him.
@johncortez1599
@johncortez1599 Год назад
Sailor Jerry, what pool hall buddy? I'm from Houston also.
@je4292
@je4292 Год назад
@@AndThatsBaseball like this man mentioned, I met him as a teenager growing up in Houston in the 90’s at a church bazaar. He was extremely friendly and kind. His hands were huge and when he shook your hand your hand just got swallowed up… It is an absolute disgrace the Astros have not retired his number…. Not cool at all… more deserving than Mike Scott in my opinion.. he was that good…
@panowa8319
@panowa8319 Год назад
If the Astros would have taken J.R. Richards' health seriously, he probably could have had Hall of Fame career.
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
100%, he was already halfway to the hall. Just needed a few more years at the top.
@panowa8319
@panowa8319 Год назад
@@AndThatsBaseball J.R. was fun to watch, then suddenly he just disappeared.
@bryantlucas6006
@bryantlucas6006 9 месяцев назад
Was he a jerk or was the Astros front office just racists?
@choosecarefully408
@choosecarefully408 Месяц назад
Yeah, well you may run into stupidity like this again. I don't know what it's called, but White people simply think Blacks are more immune to or tolerant of pain than "normal" people. That's what I'm going to call this so long as people keep denying racism exists in this culture simply because we Use 'Correct Terms' for people that still refer to them as separate.
@doublem1975x
@doublem1975x 29 дней назад
@@bryantlucas6006Front office and media were racist.
@Boyso5407
@Boyso5407 11 месяцев назад
Can you imagine today a player this talented complaining of arms issues and being totally ignored? How could you not take care of your own player let alone your best pitcher. It’s insane to think how they treated him.
@ogClownBaby
@ogClownBaby 5 месяцев назад
Just goes to show the astros franchise has always been trash.
@That_C-fo5ff
@That_C-fo5ff Год назад
Rest In Peace uncle 😥🙏🏽 miss you big guy.
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
🙏
@masoncotton2714
@masoncotton2714 Год назад
He was my base all coach for fasb bo porter we all miss him💜
@tommandich-je2tq
@tommandich-je2tq Год назад
Sorry for your loss.I really loved watching him pitch back in the day.
@lonestarstate1981
@lonestarstate1981 9 месяцев назад
JR Richard is an Astros legend and I remember him and keep his memory alive.
@starwarsbaseballboy1
@starwarsbaseballboy1 Год назад
I met JR once as a kid. Couldn't have been kinder to me when I asked how his career ended because I didn't know or was at an age to fully comprehend everything so wonderfully explained in this video.
@je4292
@je4292 Год назад
Same here met him as a teenager in the 90’s. Was incredibly kind to me…
@bobtaylor170
@bobtaylor170 Год назад
Thanks for this. I'm from Houston, and remember this well. The Astros treatment of him was disgraceful, typical of why a lot of people hate the rich.
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
Glad you enjoyed
@avoiceinthechoir5791
@avoiceinthechoir5791 2 года назад
I always wondered what happened to JR Richard. I remember watching him pitch in the all-star game. Unquestionably, the best pitcher in baseball at the time. A very sad story and a forgotten great one.
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball 2 года назад
The worst part is how easy it would have been for the Astros to help him. Houston was the medical capital of the world, there were certainly hospitals that could have prevented the stroke.
@bobtaylor170
@bobtaylor170 Год назад
@@AndThatsBaseball , absolutely correct. And the Astrodome was just down the street from the Houston Medical Center. It infuriates me.
@robertbluestein7800
@robertbluestein7800 Год назад
i was working in the dome as a clubhouse boy the day JR had his stroke. I am pictured in the Houston Post's story about the dreadful day along with paramedics, other clubhouse boys, and Willie Howard, a reserve OF who was on the DL. The Astros were not in the dome when this happened, but I was a 16 year old eyewitness to the kindness and great cajun culinary skills of JR Richard. He was terrifying to hit against. Greg Luzinski admitted he took days off when JR was pitching. I am writing a book, ''Clubhouse Brat'' about the years 1980-83 in the Astrodome. He was so genuine. Make no mistake, I loved Bill Virdon and he kept me in line when I could have gone very sideways as a teenager. But he was distant with some of the players and didn't know what to think of JR's shoulder woes and a lot of this had to do with the fact Nolan Ryan was signed at a $1M contract and was the THIRD best pitcher on that 1980 team. JR was indeed sore about that, having been loyal to the team for a decade. There's A LOT more to the story than we are told, and my memories of that magical time have a lot to do with JR Richard.
@robertbluestein7800
@robertbluestein7800 Год назад
Oh, loved this piece but let me say JR WAS a warm, friendly and good soul. He would slip us kids a $20 here and there for doing small favors for him around the clubhouse. Énos Cabell saved JR after it was discovered that he was homeless and I’ll always love Cabell for his generosity. I can respect the fact that some thought it was due to racism but I just don’t recall that ever being an issue. Then again…I was 16, so perhaps it hadn’t been something I had seen. (I grew up in South Park Houston myself) The practice at the time is what hurt JR. Players went on the DL because they were obviously hurt or Asked to rest a muscle pull or so forth. JR never asked out of a start and Bill Virdon was visibly affected for the rest of his career. I talked with him in 2003 and he STILL dwelled on how he could have done things better.
@christopherfields9785
@christopherfields9785 3 месяца назад
BS
@ClutchCityFan
@ClutchCityFan Год назад
he was a legend. still gets talked about here in Houston. sucks his career was cut short
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
I wish the world could’ve witnessed his level of peak dominance for at least a few full seasons
@chaffsalvo
@chaffsalvo Год назад
I grew up with the Astros through the 70s, and felt this tragedy for the Richards and the team keenly. The 1980 NLCS could have been so different. As the story was revealed, it fostered shame in the organization and love and hope for JR. Hopefully the Astros will honor him, albeit late, in some notable way. He's a huge part of the core that made Houston relevant in the late 70s.
@Gemnist98
@Gemnist98 Год назад
They honored him in 2019 by inducting him into the inaugural class of the Astros Hall of Fame. He also attended the ceremony, so it’s clear that despite the big “what-ifs”, he was ultimately welcomed wholeheartedly by the Astros and vice versa.
@hectorlopez1069
@hectorlopez1069 Год назад
It's a disaster he was homeless and living under a freeway bridge, right by the Astrodome where he was the king of pitching. It sucks to be homeless.
@joshuapatrick682
@joshuapatrick682 Год назад
I’m from the part of Louisiana he went to high school, he should be the local legend Karl Malone is here…but I’ve never heard of him until today. That’s a shame.
@hectorlopez1069
@hectorlopez1069 Год назад
He was born in Louisiana
@mrsmukk
@mrsmukk 11 месяцев назад
He gave me a baseball at one of my first Astros games.......all I remember is that this dudes hands were ridiculously huge.....RIP
@nomorefielders
@nomorefielders 2 года назад
11:47 That’s legit just one of many examples of discrimination in the medical field. Really sad that a should-be-extinct stereotype ended a great career.
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball 2 года назад
Thankfully we’ve reached a point where these type of situations are less common, it’s such a shame that even the highest level athletes couldn’t get fair medical treatment because of their skin color
@bradhorowitz2765
@bradhorowitz2765 2 года назад
To add to that-notice how none of the interviews ppl said what jr insisted what threw really meant when his arm was tired. They all put up good faces rather than say “well he is black and you know that they like to complain..” they were liars. And for the Astros to forget about JR is just as bad. JR reminds me of the time when DC Comics took the Superman copyright from the Seigel team and fired them. One of the creators ended up going to DC comics for aid-employees by the. Had seen how poor financially he was-so they kicked him out again.
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball 2 года назад
@@bradhorowitz2765 That's kinda the thing with medical racism, it's not as obvious as a cross burning, but examples still exist all over the place. Looking back, it's easy to see how crazy it is that one of the top workhorses in the league was being called a complainer, but that type of racism was so deeply embedded, especially back then, that they got away with it.
@candybanks8717
@candybanks8717 Год назад
J.R.s slider was filth incarnate. Unhittable! My dad and I love watching him, which wasn't often here in Colorado. Wish he'd had a lot longer to play.
@seabrook1976
@seabrook1976 Год назад
4:25 I can’t find any clip of it on RU-vid, but channel 13 sports anchor, the late Bob Allen did actually go on the air and admit he was wrong and make an apology during a news segment. I remember that stood out to me because my father said no one else, but him would admit to it.
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
I’d love to see that video. Much respect to Allen for that.
@travismcnamara8919
@travismcnamara8919 Год назад
This is a really sad story, but you did an amazing job telling it. It has an uplifting ending, but man his career should have been even more special than it already was. Hall of Fame was a real possibility.
@ketsen1171
@ketsen1171 Год назад
Thanks for drawing attention to this recently, never seen the video by you. Great story that I had never heard before
@robertbluestein7800
@robertbluestein7800 Год назад
I’m sorry for the multiple replies but you did a Historians job in your research. As you can see, we loved JR. My mom treated JR with reverence and love. You sir told a fantastic story that was long overdue. I knew JR on a more personal level and Of the press, ABC’s Bob Allen (KTRK) did openly apologize and he had the least reason to do so, demanding the team keep sending to doctors until they got it right. I would love to see you do a story on Lyman Bostock too. He came to Houston to discuss free agency but we had no space for him and he quickly signed with the Angels. His story ended tragically and suddenly and way too soon.
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
Feel free to send as many replies as you’d like when you have valuable and interesting stuff to say like this. I’m glad people like yourself who knew JR enjoyed the video, I really did want to show as much of his story as I could find.
@richiepoppin
@richiepoppin Год назад
Great video bro JR Richards was feared what stuff the man had a story of trials and redemption unreal how bad the media and Astros treated him disgraceful RIP JR 🙏🏽You are a Hall of famer in our eyes of life.
@haedyncavanagh
@haedyncavanagh 2 года назад
Excellent video, Enos Cabbell interview hit it right on the head. Very sad. Didn’t realize the similarities w deGrom. LGM!
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball 2 года назад
Can’t wait for deGrom to get back on the field!
@ttmhog15
@ttmhog15 2 года назад
Love your videos and this is truly excellent. You deserve to be huge my guy. Love the way you told the story and wove in the other channels. Really fantastic
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball 2 года назад
Thanks so much man, I truly appreciate the kind words and support!!
@truthyahweh9877
@truthyahweh9877 11 месяцев назад
What a story thank you!
@dirtydavis8308
@dirtydavis8308 Год назад
Most people forget how great JR was! Underrated, ya he had problems but man was he good. Thanks for doing videos on the guys sometimes people forget!
@MainEventR
@MainEventR Год назад
Incredible work!! I had to reference this video in a piece I wrote.
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
Link it if you can, I'd love to read it!
@megsley
@megsley 2 года назад
I'm not really a sports fan of any kind, but I love when RU-vid recommends cool little sports videos like this one!
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball 2 года назад
I'm glad you enjoyed regardless! Most of my recent videos are about stories/characters that come from sports more than anything else, I hope you stick around and check out my newest vids!
@atarijawa462
@atarijawa462 Год назад
Degrom is 34 years old and has 82 career wins. Even with his 3 great seasons he's not making the HOF.
@RoniaProductions
@RoniaProductions Год назад
Your channel is awesome. Entertaining and well researched keep it up love the style
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
Glad you enjoyed! Got more stuff coming soon 👀
@AstroFan428
@AstroFan428 11 месяцев назад
In the late 90s I was just getting into baseball and had no idea who JR was, but one day at a game in the Dome my dad said there was an old Astro sitting a few rows down. He was very nice and signed a ball for me, afterwards I learned all about him and even did projects on him and his career for school.
@libs-Suk-Balz
@libs-Suk-Balz Год назад
I saw JR at his best. The guy was the best pitcher in baseball
@garrettsutherland465
@garrettsutherland465 2 года назад
dang!!! great vid - so inchresting!
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball 2 года назад
Thanks for the support!
@lowrollerscraps2477
@lowrollerscraps2477 Год назад
Great video. Sucks that he's gone. Just got a '78 Topps so he'll hang on my wall.
@hectorlopez1069
@hectorlopez1069 Год назад
Covid ended his life in 2021.
@PrimarySweeper13
@PrimarySweeper13 Год назад
R.I.P legend
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
🙏
@christophergagne199
@christophergagne199 2 месяца назад
Great Work. I started collecting Baseball Cards when I was 4 in 1980. As the son of a Rocket Scientist Physics Professor who worked for Martin Marietta, McDonnel Air, NASA & was a Physics Professor at OSU, LSU & UCF. I was a Math Prodigy thanks to POPs & a Stat monkey as Mom called Me. I loved tracking his stats from the Back of my 1981 Fleer & Topps called and then he Vanished & I had no internet to find JR until I saw a ESPN 3030 type Film about his tragic life to that point. Thank You for keeping JRs story alive. I can't wait to dive through your films. See You in the Comments,
@MatthewBaumgarten
@MatthewBaumgarten 3 месяца назад
Really sad, I remember as a very young kid watching my favorite team the Astros play in the 70’s and JR Richard was awesome, I did not know the whole story about why he suddenly stopped pitching for the Astros. I know he had a heart attack at the Astrodome and knew then also that would keep him from pitching for awhile but not all those details thankyou for posting
@omariparker3769
@omariparker3769 Год назад
So you’re telling me the Astros have always been a classy organization. Sweet.
@bobtaylor170
@bobtaylor170 Год назад
Blame the late John McMullen, who I think still owned the team.
@cristianmunoz2480
@cristianmunoz2480 Год назад
How you gonna blame the current owner for something a previous owner did?
@SchmidtyProductions27
@SchmidtyProductions27 Год назад
I really wish we treated JR better. He was a great man and a really dominant pitcher. Seeing how we treated him makes me more ashamed than the cheating scandal ever did. However, it is kinda sucky to take a cheap shot at a team you don’t like in a video about a player who should be celebrated, in my opinion.
@omariparker3769
@omariparker3769 Год назад
@@SchmidtyProductions27 I don't see it as a cheap shot at all. It's a shot that's well deserved. They showed how they treated the game and they showed how they treated one of their great players. And how about your fans giving Gurriel that ovation after the racist gesture he made against Darvish. My goodness. Stay classy, Houston.
@SchmidtyProductions27
@SchmidtyProductions27 Год назад
@@omariparker3769 like I said, I don’t approve how the ownership treated him. And not every fan gave Gurriel a standing ovation. I for one was appalled when he did it. Stop shitting on my city just because you don’t like us. Houston is a pretty nice place with pretty nice people
@brightgreenfuzzyball3000
@brightgreenfuzzyball3000 Год назад
deGrom also has got his start for the Mets like the Ryan express, but we know what all these pitchers have in common or lack there of. We wish your deGrom all the best for a title someday , thank you so much for all work on your awesome content, from here in Houston.
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
All the nice houston fans in the comments right after the Astros ripped my heart out is conflicting
@raygordonteacheschess5501
@raygordonteacheschess5501 Год назад
in 1980 he was scary and unhittable. A monster on the mound.
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
I couldn’t imagine having to face him and Nolan Ryan in the same series
@JoseJimenez-vc7we
@JoseJimenez-vc7we Год назад
@@AndThatsBaseball Nolan Ryan would embrassed you but Jr Richard oh boy he would set you straight
@hectorlopez1069
@hectorlopez1069 Год назад
Astros were world series champions of 1980. Then, the stroke occur and he was done.
@BaseballAF
@BaseballAF 2 года назад
Ohohoho, this is good Glad to be a part of this project!
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball 2 года назад
Thanks for the help!
@ezekielcaselton5842
@ezekielcaselton5842 Год назад
Wow, just wow. I know him from Diamond Dynasty. Mets fan...wow, didn't know JR Richard (RIP) was that good.
@BarnabyBaltimoron
@BarnabyBaltimoron Год назад
*Brandon Webb* looked like he was going to be the GOAT after ‘06, ‘07 and ‘08. He would be in the HOF if it weren’t for injuries. Let’s all hope deGrom stays healthy!!
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
3 straight top 2 cy young finishes then never threw a pitch after his 30th birthday. Man is only 3 years older than verlander and he hasn’t played since 2009.
@MetFanMac
@MetFanMac Год назад
"Staying" healthy would require "healthy" being the de facto condition, lol
@SteveGee1986
@SteveGee1986 Год назад
It was Dr. Jobe who diagnosed it as muscle fatigue. It was not a front office hack. Dr. Jobe was highly respected and is famous for his work with athletes. Second, White players were subject to the tough guy era as well. EVERYONE was expected to play while hurt back then. Football players back then played "while" concussed. Sports medicine is light years ahead today. HS players are given better medical attention today than pro athletes back then.
@muggsyaxton8085
@muggsyaxton8085 Год назад
Don Wilson, JR Richard, and Nolan Ryan wouldn't been an outstanding 1-2-3 punch had fate not intervened
@islander5858
@islander5858 Год назад
Your content is awsome.. new sub here buddy 👍
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
Glad you liked it!
@RetroBaseball
@RetroBaseball 2 года назад
It’s finally here!! grab the pretzels!!!
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball 2 года назад
It's about time
@smartbaseballyt
@smartbaseballyt 2 года назад
Bro you deserve way more subs keep it up
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball 2 года назад
Thanks for the support boss!
@smartbaseballyt
@smartbaseballyt 2 года назад
@@AndThatsBaseball I wanna collaborate lol
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball 2 года назад
I’m prob not gonna collab for a while after this, I don’t wanna be relying on other people all the time, but maybe sometime down the road
@smartbaseballyt
@smartbaseballyt 2 года назад
@@AndThatsBaseball wow thanks
@joshuapatrick682
@joshuapatrick682 Год назад
The dude threw 76 Complete Games!!!! And I don’t need to elaborate on what all the 70’s Houston “fans” said about him in the 30+ games he started every season but you can imagine it would have gotten everyone cancelled if said today.
@sumner-kv3gh
@sumner-kv3gh Год назад
All the fans bro? Not every Houston fan was a racist
@poindextertunes
@poindextertunes Год назад
But how is he holding that many baseballs in one hand? 😦🤯
@marcyfan
@marcyfan Год назад
jr was magnificent. i especially miss him and stargell.
@hectorlopez1069
@hectorlopez1069 Год назад
JR RICHARD and Willie stargell are hall of famers
@TheSkyline5467
@TheSkyline5467 Год назад
What a shame, man. What a beast.
@j.tshark3313
@j.tshark3313 11 месяцев назад
I love how some people push the DeGrom stats. But when you compare his 198 games played vs guys who 700+? that is pushing the stats logic. I am a stats guy and I get the snap shot approach but you then need to take a snap shot of the 700+ guys for same duration, 9 out 10 time their stats will blow that guy with lessee stats out of the stadium
@jeffha4057
@jeffha4057 Год назад
Great job on this video! You should have way more subs than this!
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
Thanks! I appreciate the support!
@christophertifre2018
@christophertifre2018 Год назад
Astros did him DIRTY!
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
I just wish they’d acknowledge it
@yankmyass
@yankmyass Год назад
They've done that to a lot of people
@Gemnist98
@Gemnist98 Год назад
@@yankmyass And so did you, Mr. Envelope. In fact, while we’re on the subject of racism, you know which one of those two teams excluded black players because of the color barrier? (Sure the Astros didn’t exist back then, but the point remains)
@yankmyass
@yankmyass Год назад
@@Gemnist98 I wasn't referencing racism, I was referencing the trash cans.
@Gemnist98
@Gemnist98 Год назад
@@yankmyass Yes, but the video is about racism. And you’ll notice I brought up the trash cans with the envelope. Or do you not know about that?
@TheTEN24
@TheTEN24 Год назад
Honestly not familiar with his career or story this was super informative. Extremely messed up how this organization treated him. His numbers are so similar to Jake’s it’s crazy!
@ChannelMan434
@ChannelMan434 Год назад
Racism in baseball and medicine literally ended this man’s HoF career and ruined his life, that’s infuriating
@Gemnist98
@Gemnist98 Год назад
I can’t speak for the Astros (though right now they’re one of the most diverse teams in baseball), but I can say the medicine community is now way better, and actually considered the best in the country. Fun Fact: not long after this incident, Roger Maris came here to treat his non-Hodgkin lymphoma, which he sadly succumbed to.
@DemoMan_69
@DemoMan_69 7 месяцев назад
JR Richard is my favorite MLB the Show card ever
@stevenyanchak549
@stevenyanchak549 9 месяцев назад
J.R. was my 1st childhood hero. Only Earl Campbell surpassed him. J.R. should have won the 1979 Cy Young Award. There was no pitcher better & more dominant from 1976 to 1980 than J.R... just ask the players.
@mikepastor.k6233
@mikepastor.k6233 Год назад
Was also a real good hitter. Could have been a 30 hr player if dedicated for a non pitching position.
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
Homered in each of his last 7 seasons, someone that big and strong was bound to run into some
@hectorlopez1069
@hectorlopez1069 Год назад
He could hit homeruns, as well. Wow.
@pixelythegamer3260
@pixelythegamer3260 9 месяцев назад
Just imagine if an fully healthy JR Richard started game Six of the 1986 NLCS
@weevie833
@weevie833 Год назад
07:22 Sid Vicious sighting. And is that Joe Jackson too? Happy meal!
@hectorlopez1069
@hectorlopez1069 Год назад
I met Jr, I shook his hand and he signed a baseball for me. I'm gonna take care of that baseball.
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
I would’ve loved to meet him, I’m glad you got the chance
@hectorlopez1069
@hectorlopez1069 Год назад
​@@AndThatsBaseball Thank you, he was a good man.
@TedTheScientist
@TedTheScientist 2 года назад
WOHHOOOO NEW VIDEO
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball 2 года назад
Lets goooooo!
@eltonrice7392
@eltonrice7392 Год назад
So sad...
@joshuapatrick682
@joshuapatrick682 Год назад
I don’t know when the MLBPA implemented their pension, but it’s cases like this that made it a necessity.
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
I think the pension was around but he was broke before the age where he started receiving payments
@kingofallmediums2123
@kingofallmediums2123 11 месяцев назад
I like the old days when The National League and the American League only met during the all-star game and the World Series 😮
@winstonkostrzewa1585
@winstonkostrzewa1585 Год назад
This is a great video. Wow
@Dave__AC
@Dave__AC Год назад
Bruh no way you can be 3%bf and have enough energy to throw a baseball more than a few times
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
He was definitely lying lmao he was prob 12-15%
@Vincentovich89
@Vincentovich89 19 дней назад
DeGrom is hurt CONSTANTLY otherwise his numbers would not rival Clayton Kershaw's numbers.
@sams5780
@sams5780 Год назад
I'm surprised his number isn't retired even though he's in the Astros Hall of Fame.
@hectorlopez1069
@hectorlopez1069 Год назад
Why isn't his number retired?
@Gemnist98
@Gemnist98 Год назад
Number retirement is usually reserved for franchise staples, and Richard played around the time of other franchise staples like Jose Cruz. For context, Billy Wagner is about to go into the Baseball Hall of Fame as an Astro, and we still haven’t retired his number #13. Not to mention, Richard’s #50 is currently being used by Hector Neris.
@sams5780
@sams5780 Год назад
​@@Gemnist98 Not necessarily relevant, but the Astros first 2 retired numbers belonged to Jim Umbricht (#32), and Don Wilson (#40). Umbricht died of cancer at 33, and Wilson died from carbon monoxide poisoning at 30. Wilson was also the 1st pitcher to throw a no-hitter in a domed stadium.
@philipwall1025
@philipwall1025 Год назад
I thought you were gonna say Nolan was pitcher A,only because they were together whenJR was dominating.
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
If they ever got a playoff run together idk how a team could’ve stopped them
@jeffarmfield2346
@jeffarmfield2346 Год назад
I can't believe I didn't know more about this guy other than the fact that he was a really good pitcher who's career I thought had ended due to more normal injuries. As I sat watching this I was left so angry at how this man was treated that I was literally talking back to my phone lol. But seriously, the way this man got treated is absolute BULLSHIT. Imo the Astros should make this right by at least issuing a public apology to this man's family.
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
The Astros had him to the park frequently in his last few years, but I still think they should do something more. Retiring his number would be a great gesture imo, and I think he deserves it.
@cristianmunoz2480
@cristianmunoz2480 Год назад
Different owner
@upwenvy
@upwenvy 2 года назад
A Mets fan jinx lol
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball 2 года назад
Cmon that’s not fair, we all wanna see a full season from deGrom
@logalogalog
@logalogalog 2 года назад
The Last of Us soundtrack!
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball 2 года назад
It’s so good
@TexasSportsTV
@TexasSportsTV Год назад
The Astros messed up here.
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
Yes
@69ChevyGarage
@69ChevyGarage Год назад
Wonder why he never sought outside treatment especially when your career is on the line, you know there is something wrong with you, even though the club medical staff is saying 'nah'. That would have been sweet revenge to come back to the Astros rubbing those clot results in their faces.
@mkl5448
@mkl5448 Год назад
Well your boy degrom is at dehome watching everybody else in deplayoffs.
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
I’m a Yankees fan lmao
@philipwall1025
@philipwall1025 Год назад
Can't forget they were on baseball cards together 2...
@michaelastorga3187
@michaelastorga3187 11 месяцев назад
JR Richards story is so sad. He would have been a sure HOF had they had treated him. His number should be still retired by the Astros.
@kmena05
@kmena05 Год назад
Imagine if J.R. would've been around for the 1980 Postseason the Astros could've won the 1980 World Series and maybe the MLB would've never moved the Astros to the AL because they were seen as a poverty franchise in the early 2010's and everything that happened since 2017 would've probably never happened. 🤔
@Gemnist98
@Gemnist98 Год назад
I doubt winning a World Series in the 80s would have changed anything for us. Richard would have retired along with Ryan, and we would have rebuilt with the Bagwell-Biggio team, then tanked just like we did. If it happened to the Athletics, it would happen to us, and we’re not exactly a poor franchise; our value is ranked #13 out of 30 teams.
@muchlovegeorge6578
@muchlovegeorge6578 Год назад
"You know he black it’s all in his head" 🤦🏾‍♂️🙃. That’s Messed up smh
@MegaSeth22
@MegaSeth22 Год назад
"It was racist to speculate drug usage..." 5 mins later "although he was on cocaine at the time..."
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
Drug usage had nothing to do with his injury. Point is his concerns were dismissed unfairly, almost everyone did coke at the time. Why was JR singled out in this way?
@MrSEANCARPENTER1
@MrSEANCARPENTER1 Год назад
The 1980 NLCS may have ended differently.
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
JR and Ryan for potentially 4 of 5 games in that series and I don’t see how Philly could’ve pulled it off
@MrSEANCARPENTER1
@MrSEANCARPENTER1 Год назад
@@AndThatsBaseball Yeah,looking back at it now,I don't think so either.
@hectorlopez1069
@hectorlopez1069 Год назад
Phillies got so lucky, JR stroke was the best thing that happen to them, or Astros win the 1980 World Series.
@Gemnist98
@Gemnist98 Год назад
It’s known to be one of the closest, most intense postseason series of all time. Maybe things would have turned out different, but as an Astros fan, aside from Richard’s condition, I have no regrets about losing since the Phillies deserved to finally win after nearly a century of being the joke of baseball. Besides - we got our revenge eventually, hehe.
@slugcult-10_years_and
@slugcult-10_years_and 3 месяца назад
You know, career numbers and stats are great and all, but it all boils down to the rings. If you haven't won a ring, it doesn't mean squat.
@og2tone9o15
@og2tone9o15 Год назад
Its so stupid when people claim that they have had sub 10% body fat , literally only bodybuilding pros walk around that lean no human other than body builders walk around that lean
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
Yeah I’d assume it was more like 12-15% but the layman didn’t know back then so he got away with it lmao
@og2tone9o15
@og2tone9o15 Год назад
@@AndThatsBaseball ya you right and really good video btw I enjoy your channel
@dalepress1581
@dalepress1581 Год назад
Why not account for league hitters strikeout percentage as a whole when comparing pitchers from different eras? I mean, it's pretty obvious that it's easier to strike out hitters in the current era given hitters don't care if they strikeout.
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
Hitters are also a lot better in general than they were at the time. He would’ve probably struck more out but also allowed more walks and homers.
@dalepress1581
@dalepress1581 Год назад
@@AndThatsBaseball Are they better? Hard to argue that swinging and missing more equals better. Hitters are more comfortable in the modern era, with body armor, helmets, warnings for throwing inside, etc. All these hitters that dig in now would have been beaned in other eras. I'd like to see how good some of them are with no body armor. Mostly, however, given that the true high strike is not called anymore. all this launch angle BS would have bee worthless in the past. You ain't lifting JR Richard's fastball at the letters. So choke up I guess. I love you crunch these numbers, but why not take it up a notch and try and explain why the numbers are what they are. It's not always a better now than then or vice versa conclusion. You ever wonder why for over a century batters were simply trying to transfer weight from their back foot to their front foot when hitting? Far different from the rotational hitting approach now, with most weight being on the back leg? Would that even have been possible in the 80's? Sure, but dudes would have hit .110.
@S_Over_Street
@S_Over_Street Год назад
Pitchers who’s careers ended too early or their dominance didn’t last as long: J.R Richard Dwight Gooden Brett Saberhagen Brandon Webb Dontrelle Willis Johan Santana Felix Hernandez
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
Sports can be tragic man
@evilmonkeyspeaks7801
@evilmonkeyspeaks7801 Год назад
If only Doc could've stayed clean.......
@hectorlopez1069
@hectorlopez1069 Год назад
JR richard was better than all of them in this list.
@larsonawitz
@larsonawitz Год назад
So Chris Sale is pretty awesome
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
He is but not as awesome as JR
@larsonawitz
@larsonawitz Год назад
@@AndThatsBaseball True, but the stats in the beginning were unexpected.
@ozzuzzomg
@ozzuzzomg Год назад
I picked degrom cause walks and k
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
Can’t fault anyone for picking degrom in any scenario
@EricGarciastussy
@EricGarciastussy Год назад
OMFG!!! SHAME ON ALL OF YOU IN THE ASTROS ORGANIZATION...you should all be ashamed, my goodness...horrible
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
It really is horrible
@clipobserver
@clipobserver 11 месяцев назад
Surprised he didn't sue the Astros
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball 11 месяцев назад
He did and they settled after the Astros smeared him saying his injuries were because of his cocaine use. His lawyers thought he deserved 25m, he got much less
@GeraldM_inNC
@GeraldM_inNC Год назад
JR Richard gave you innings and wins; DeGrom gives you neither. He basically gives you about as many innings as a middle-inning reliever. On the rare occasions when he's healthy enough to start, he gives you five innings. The past three years he has averaged 74 innings, and even before his arm problems he was barely reaching 200 innings. Best pitcher of all time? Give me a break!
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
It’s a different era. Of course deGrom has to be healthy, but he’s still had one of the greatest peaks of all time. JR was special, the whole point is contextualizing his greatness next to a name that modern mlb fans know. Most fans now have no idea who JR was or how amazing he was.
@GeraldM_inNC
@GeraldM_inNC Год назад
@@AndThatsBaseball When is the last time he was healthy? He's averaged 74 innings the past 3 years.
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
@@GeraldM_inNC at the time I made this, he only had one serious injury in his career. Look at 2017-2020, he was throwing more innings than most guys at the time. He lost half of 2021 to injury before this vid then got hurt in the spring after this vid.
@GeraldM_inNC
@GeraldM_inNC Год назад
@@AndThatsBaseball No he wasn't throwing more innings than other aces 2017-2020, absolutely not. Totally false.
@prestoncarr3452
@prestoncarr3452 10 месяцев назад
I honestly chose pitcher a because he walks less batters
@dalepress1581
@dalepress1581 Год назад
These deGrom comparisons are kinda whack. I'm sure JR Richard and Ryan's numbers would have been significantly better if they set out every game knowing they were only going to pitch 6 innings.
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
Idk what you want me to do then
@dalepress1581
@dalepress1581 Год назад
@@AndThatsBaseball Mention it. Certainly you can acknowledge the difference between max effort pitching in shorter innings vs. pacing yourself as you are expected to throw a complete game. You're making the case that deGrom is an all-time great. Is he? His track record indicates he could not have carried the workload that Richard, Ryan and others did in their prime. Whole lot of closers have great numbers if you want to extrapolate their numbers over a career. But you see, they pitch one inning for a reason.
@JT-ev5jh
@JT-ev5jh Год назад
First video of yours I watched. And I subscribed during. Great content‼️🫱🏾‍🫲🏽💪🏾
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
Glad you enjoyed!
@mikehawk7220
@mikehawk7220 Год назад
It's like you can't find a baseball channel on RU-vid that doesn't gargle the Mets over rated balls. This wasn't a Jr Richard video it was a Jacob degrom fan girl video
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
Did you watch the video? It’s contextualizing Richard’s greatness with the most well known superstar pitcher of today. The entire second half is just about Richard’s story
@bobtaylor170
@bobtaylor170 Год назад
@@AndThatsBaseball don't pay attention to jerks.
@Gemnist98
@Gemnist98 Год назад
I hope you realize that ATB is a Yankees fan. And Yankees fans DESPISE the Mets.
@AnonYmous-jp8uu
@AnonYmous-jp8uu Год назад
JR is and was always my top baseball hero. wtf with all the degrom junk, who cares
@dubiedu7901
@dubiedu7901 Год назад
Mets fans shaking in their boots right now
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
DeGrom is doing the chop
@hectorlopez1069
@hectorlopez1069 Год назад
He said when he was homeless, you are going to suffer with nothing to eat. You are going to live homeless, with hunger.
@baileytoon3123
@baileytoon3123 Год назад
We not talking about drew Gilbert
@AndThatsBaseball
@AndThatsBaseball Год назад
Drew Gilbert is gonna take years off my life if he’s a star
@baileytoon3123
@baileytoon3123 Год назад
I meant Ben joys
@seanarreguin
@seanarreguin Год назад
I'd imagine it'd be hard to be an astros fan considering all the black marks in their history
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