The Hedgeless Horseman Craps Strategy - Live Rollout 

That's great!

Wow, thanks! Really appreciate hearing that!

Yep, it's really becoming a great base from which to branch into 15 directions now. I'm working on one with Greg (555) and Dantana that's a purely right side play that also has a lot of built-in options to it.

Thanks for saying that! Craps is the best game there, for so many reasons!

Super resilient, and it transitions very well to either side. I like it best, where the DP is 2:x or 3x the size of the come bets. Better early 7 returns.

Wow, thanks! That's an older one for sure, but still one of my go to ways to play. I get a little too aggressive with the come out wins sometimes, but I still roll this out when I first arrive at a table, waiting on my turn to shoot, and quite often, I'll hit my win goal before I even get the dice.

Really appreciate that!

Thanks!

Absolutely. Have fun with it.

Yeah, there's so many options. I don't think people see "The Horseman" through these different lenses. Everything thinks it's just 3 simple bets, but you can really "play" with it as you see fit.

You certainly can. Personally, I'm not a huge fan of leaving naked lay bets out there too long to get picked off. I like that flat don't pass bet so much better.

Absolutely!

Bookmarked your variations too. I have even more thoughts now!

Yeah, I'm a huge fan of the 4:1 ... and think about that "4" down there being played as a progression, ladder, or Peroli as you go!

Thanks!

I'm just not a fan of hedging the come out with a lay. The math doesn't support it, nor does my luck. I have burned so many of those that I'm scarred :)

I run this EVERY TIME I go to the casino. It's literally how I walk up to the tables and start getting my feet wet. I like it 2:1, where my DP is $20 or $25 and the come bets are $10. This thing gets my 10% to 20% goal 60% of the time before I ever touch the dice.

@@ProCraps once 1 get 3 comes established i lay max on dc point i mean max / double odds on all come points and wait for 1 hit on anything...............then down all except initial come points obviously............. works......i am ddp1

I'd start by recommending you never do a 5 count. Taking rolls off doesn't change your probability of losing, it just makes it take longer. Remember that 1 out 6 of the rolls you have any bets exposed to the 7, those bets will lose. So waiting 5 rolls and then going out there, you'll just lose on roll #30, which is roll #6 to you. It's all the same. Just play the game if you want to play the game. The math doesn't support that, not matter what Dom's book says ;) The horseman is literally designed to win on the 7 the entire way through and also catch a good run. If you go 2:1 (or 3:1 or 4:1) on the Don't with it, then even after you get the come bets all set, you're basically in a tie situation (potentially a win) on a 7 by roll 4, with the early 7's producing for you the whole way. If the shooter goes on a hot run, that's great the Come bets will win for you. It's got a disaster zone, of course, which I've landed on many times, but this one keeps you in the game and winning on the 70% of the rolls that are garbage.

@@ProCraps thanks, John. I will definitely take that under advisement.

Thanks for chiming in! I've found over the years, and millions of roll simulations, that it's just best not to hedge. Ever. Especially with the 1 roll bets like the Yo or the Horn Remember that over time, they'll help you out based on probability Let's look at it as if things went according to the math, and only looking at the 11: 36 Come Out Rolls with a $2 yo. 2 of them, we lose $25, but win $30 for a net + $10 34 of them, we lose $2 for a net loss of $68 Your total for that sequence is - $58 If you don't do the bet on the 11, then you'll lose $25 on the Don't Pass twice for a net loss of $50 That $8 difference there really adds up over time. Imagine a weekend in Vegas where you play for 4 hours a day for 3 days at about 60 rolls an hour. That's approximately 960 rolls or so. You'll probably have 150 to 200 come out rolls in that time, which means you'll lose about $50 or $75 on those Yo bets. That's a meaningful number. So, unless my DP bet gets way up there (like I parlayed it to $200 or something) I always "go commando" and keep all my bets as clean as possible.

hedging is for bushes,,,,,,,,,, donations all long term@@ProCraps

Yep. I talk about that option all the time. Mathematically, you shouldn't do it, but as a way to lock in your profit, if you're happy where you are, by all means!

@@ProCraps Another option I like is to place the don't number for the least amount possible to cover the don't. Get paid either way if it's you last number in action.

The point of this strategy isn’t really to get the come bets set, it’s to win on the early 7s. Put bets remove that advantage we have. If they get set then we’ll play them out aggressively. But honestly I use this on most shooters because they don’t make it past roll 3.

good point, if i know the thrower then i try two put bets, wait 2 rolls and then i do a larger come bet and one $120 lay and hop the 7's.. i work the comp points. @@ProCraps

Watch em all. I think I have about 20 videos on the Horseman. So many options. I started as a way to win without caring about losing the come out because you’d make it up after. This one has great legs!