The Heresy of Apollinarianism 

William Lane Cringe?

Will look into it and make a video on the subject. I am currently in the process of learning more about Miaphysitism (Oriental Churches) who argue that they do not hold to Monophysitism at all

You do not, but the Apollinarians did. The Orientals believe in Miaphysitism, that Christ is 1 Nature originally from 2, a unification of Divine and Man into 1 Nature. Rather than the Chalcedonian tradition of 2 Natures

​@@Jeem196hello brother I am sadly really confused I really find apollinarianism to be challenging one could argue that a mind is the source of personhood which means that if apollinarianism was false we would have to accept an even more terrible heresy. I Know that the decision of the church is correct because Christ promised to guide the church. But I am really struggling to understand this but this is what I came to (I want advice or instruction if I came to wrong conclusions) a human mind isn't a human person but a set of perceptions emotions and experiences and the limited capacity of thinking and memories of a human person which would mean that Christ would have the infinite divine mind (same as the father and holy spirit) and the limited human mind ( human minds are separate and disconnected from each other unlike the holy Trinity) which would cause Christ to have human emotions perceptions and human thinking without being two persons essentially one conscious agent that is the person of Christ see everything from two minds like a fancy pair of eyeglasses and a pair of broken ones.

​@@kiroshakir7935Christ is both and has both minds human and divine he had everything humans have including sexuality his divine mind may did not but his human mind did. And there is no point if you know the church is true, gnosticism may seem exciting and attractive too some of the also claim christ was only divine not human but stick to the church and pray for understanding and spiritual bread and by God's grace you may understand it.

In what way is he wrong? Protestantism is chocked full of heresies.

You are saying Jesus Christ never claimed divinity! Then why did Jesus Christ said in John 17:5; And now You, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world existed. Do a mere creation would says such things?

Every time you comment you just post stereotypical Muslim assumptions of what we believe, but you make the mistake that most of them do, by saying Christ never call Himself God in the Bible. In Matthew 21:15-17 Jesus quotes Psalm 8:2, and applies it to Himself. Psalm 8:2 is about children and infants praising YHWH, and Jesus justifies the children praising His entry, by quoting this psalm, thus equating the praises toward Him as the exact same praise YHWH is given in Psalm 8:2. I do not even need the Gospel of John to prove Christ's divinity. In Jude 1:1 and James 1:1 they both call themselves *SLAVES* of Christ. The original Greek is slave, not servant, it was changed to servant in English due to connotations with American slavery. You cannot be a slave to a mortal prophet, Abdallah and Obadiah both mean slave of God, Abd al-Masih means slave of Christ. They both call themselves slaves of Christ. Paul is certified and verified by Cephas Peter, Timothy, Luke, and multiple others who actually lived with Jesus. If they thought he was innovating and inventing a Trinity, they would have told him so. The only source of Paul being challenged by Peter is from Paul's own writings, where Peter also accepts him. So you cannot use those verses, since you would be forced to also recognize the verses where Peter accepts Paul.

@@thomasninan6423 Will you be bouncing around all day trying to prove a concept that exists only in your head and club? Jesus is not God and never claimed to be God. Jesus is not the son of God and never claimed to be divine in any way. Jesus directly rejects being God. Jesus directly rejects being divine. Now let’s deal with another confusion you seem to have… when will you actually read the words of Jesus, rather than quote slogans from you club? The entire Gospel of John is allegorical. The ‘key’ to understanding the allegory for the initiate, is given in verse 1: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” When you understand this allegorical statement, that Jesus the man, represents the ‘word of God’ or ‘embodies the word of God’, then you will understand everything that follows in the parable. The non-initiate, like you and the ‘Jews’ (children of satan), who do not understand the ‘word’, keep accusing him of saying blasphemous things - such as being god, or literally his son and on and on… hence, you do not understand and are not his “sheep”. John 17:1-12 After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do. And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began. “I have revealed your name (ὄνομα)* to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word (λόγον)*. Now they know that everything you have given me comes from you. For I gave them the words* you gave me and they accepted them. They knew with certainty that I came from you, and they believed that you sent me. I pray for them. I am not praying for the world, but for those you have given me, for they are yours. All I have is yours, and all you have is mine. And glory has come to me through them. I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name*, the name* you gave me, SO THAT THEY MAY BE ONE AS WE ARE ONE. While I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe by that name* you gave me. None has been lost except the one doomed to destruction so that Scripture* would be fulfilled. By understanding the ‘word’ of God, you too can become “one” with God, not just Jesus and the hundreds of people who follow him. May you also one day follow the words of Jesus and worship God alone. John 17:20-23 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one- I in them and you in me-so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me. Go well and good luck.

@@Jeem196 Ah! There you are - you disappeared from the other thread, where you attempted a different argument to prove Jesus is god. I am happy to play this game with you, as I shall repeat again, that Jesus never claimed to be God and your constant reference to assumption and innuendo should be a giant red flag for you but alas, “seeing they see not” and all that… Let’s begin… Jesus never claimed or said he is God - NOWHERE IN THE GOSPELS. Jesus never claimed to be the son of God (divine) - NOWHERE IN THE GOSPELS. The assumption you apply is the Hellenic salvation theology taught by your club, which claims that God (like Zeus) had a “divine son” who “sacrificed” himself to ‘emancipate’ you from “death” (sin). Also, a continuation of the Hellenic henotheism of the “jews” - animal sacrifice for redemption of sin. “Human sacrifice” was always considered stronger magik. The bible claims that “Human sacrifice” is a despicable practice, 2 Kings 16:3. Your confusion however, is that you believe that these events are literal, even though Paul is clearly teaching an ALLEGORICAL message. Paul’s Jesus was never on Earth and therefore his “crucifixion” was not Human sacrifice. Once again, the blind leading the deaf… Your out of context slogans are really a problem for you, I strongly suggest you first remove from your brain what you were told as a child and reexamine the words of Jesus for what they are and what he is actually saying… Matthew 21:1-16 9 The crowds that went ahead of him and those that followed shouted, “Hosanna to the Son of David!” “Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!” “Hosanna in the highest heaven!” 10 When Jesus entered Jerusalem, the whole city was stirred and asked, “Who is this?” 11 The crowds answered, “This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth in Galilee.” 12 Jesus entered the temple courts and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves. 13 “It is written,” he said to them, “‘My house will be called a house of prayer,’ but you are making it ‘a den of robbers.’* 15 But when the chief priests and the teachers of the law saw the wonderful things* he did and the children shouting in the temple courts, “Hosanna to the Son of David,” they were indignant. 16 “Do you hear what these children are saying?” they asked him. “Yes,” replied Jesus, “have you never read, “‘From the lips of children and infants you, Lord, have called forth your praise?” Psalm 8:1-4 Lord, our Lord, how majestic is your name in all the earth! You have set your glory in the heavens. Through the praise of children and infants you have established a stronghold against your enemies, to silence the foe and the avenger.* When I consider your heavens, the work of your fingers, the moon and the stars, which you have set in place, what is mankind that you are mindful of them, human beings that you care for them? As with your other attempts at scripture, your serious lack of understanding of what is happening in the parable is shocking at best. The “Temple” is no longer a ‘house of prayer’ but rather a ‘den of robbers’. Perhaps you are unaware of the point of Paul’s Jesus, which is the replacement of temple sacrifice of animals, with man-god sacrifice. The term stronghold in the Greek language is defined as a fortified castle or fortress - the entirety of Matthew chapter 21 is the allegory of the END OF THE TEMPLE CULT (the fig tree). The ‘children’ and Jesus are quoting Psalm 8 - Lord, our Lord, how majestic is your name in all the earth!... Jesus was doing ‘wonderful things’ in the temple and did not apply anything to himself. Jude and James using δοῦλος “proves” Jesus is God? Odd, I asked for 1, not 2, just 1 verse where Jesus (himself) claims to be God… I take it you are still looking for it? James 1:1 James, a slave* of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ… Jude 1:1 Jude, a slave* of Jesus Christ and a brother of James, 1 Corinthians 7:22 For the one who was a slave when called to faith in the Lord is the Lord’s freed person; similarly, the one who was free when called is Christ’s slave. Oh my dear Jeem! ʻabd (عبد) in colloquial Arabic means ‘slave’ or ‘servant’. ʻabd (عبد) in the Quran means ‘wayfarer’. Context Jeem, how many times must I explain context to you? Once again, you are quoting a narrative, written for your entertainment, after the fact. The New Testament is a circular narrative which starts with Paul and his Hellenic salvation theology Jesus and ends with Paul spreading that message in the narrative (Acts). The Gospel Mark is the first attempt at ‘literalizing’ Paul’s ‘angel/Jesus’ in heaven. Matthew, Luke and his Acts and finally John are different aspects of the same narrative - Paul’s ‘angel/Jesus’ in heaven who performs Hellenic salvation sacrifice for sin. That’s it. Unless you understand whom, Paul is talking about, you can never understand his ‘angel/Jesus’ and as we see, you continue to quote Jesus out of context and understand the exact opposite of the message - even adding in your own innuendos. Good luck.

@@rae2918 Debate me on Discord, I've made it clear multiple times I do not debate on RU-vid comment sections. Even the Saudi Arian I spoke with was polite enough to move to Discord and stop spamming on comment sections