The Hero Classes of Vanilla 

True. I quit classic for TurtleWoW. I know it's not perfect but yes it's the closest we have as of now.

@@PatRose I should definitely give it another try. Only gave it a shot in its early stages, but now it feels like they've done some serious work there. I remember when everyone there played a paladin because they were given too much love, haha. Hopefully they've balanced it out a little bit more.

@@cekopeko Yeah it seems solid to me haven't seen a single annoyance or bug. Also there are a lot of patches and addons too to tailor it to your taste if that is what you want. And of course it's free lol

Just move on

There's another Vanilla+ server still in development, Azeroth at War, that seems to be promising as well

100% the OG hero class.

It was written in the OG book...

You would. But let's be honest here lad, players like this are in the minority. Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of vanilla plus or WoW going back to it's roots (as success of classic shows, is what many people want) but modern WoW is where it is today specifically because over years players requested WoW to be this way. Convenience after convenience, change after change, this is what players wanted.

That wouldn't work. Old content would be invalidated once new content comes out... is like a part of life... Here.... pretend we are in 2007 and instead of getting TBC, we get a new patch with a new raid.. say Karazhan as new raid in vanilla... Obviously gear gotta be better then Naxx... so if you had been raiding Naxx you gonna move to Kara and only occasioanly go back to Naxx for maybe farm Atiesh... Noone will realy want to stay there long tho, because for most if not all, the new gear will be better... Other way, people wouldnt feel too motivated... And not to mention MC, BWL, AQ would be totaly abandoned... unless... Scenario 2: You need to gear people for Kara raid or maybe you are in a guild that is progressing from zero... Do you realy think people will want to keep runing every raid in succession just so they can raid the last raid? Not to mention, if you are a new player, your barrier to entry an already progressing guild would become impossible... we already see the gatekeeping going on in classic and SoD... cmon dude be realistic... people would quit in droves, not to mention, only adding patches instead of expacs would kill the game because the bulk of the game are the casuals... people that don't do much if any end game at all, like raiding, people that do enjoy questing, leveling, doing the dungeons once or twice.... Ima tell you something out of my persona experience. I been playing since 2004.. and all the way back in 2006 already, i could have told you that an idea such as stay in Vanilla forever was unsustainable. You see... I was in a big guild, and as happens, people would quit or go in hiatus, and we had to refill, or sometimes, we just got new people joining as it happens... to get people to go back to MC or BWL was way too fucking hard. We would schedule runs (and the guild was realy good in clearing the 1st raids quick) to gear up newcomers... and we often rand with 20 to 30 people no joke... and often we had to cancel and not even that many would show up. Expansions gives us a chance of a soft-reset so to speak, for those interested in mostly or only raiding... people could often reroll, as rerolling in vanilla was way to hard, for some impossible... but with TBC many people did reroll, either because they wanted to play the new class avaliable to our faction, or the guild needed a specific class/role for the raids, or simply because they were bored of the class they been playing for a couple of years. Our guild leader would tell people "if you want to reroll, this is your chance" AND like i said, expansions gave the people that enjoyed questing and leveling, the chance to keep doing that. If we had not gotten expacs, and instead, had gotten patches, what we would have gotten would have been much inferior.. say for example, Outlands... Originaly outlands was just gonna be Hellfire Peninsula... would you be happy with just that.. 1 zone? with much less content? In vanilla, patches meant new raids, maybe 1 or 2 new quests, thats it! Naxx brought in a short duration event previous to the deployment of the raid... AQ had the war effort and the opening event, AQ patch in fact was the patch that added the most content, but thats because Silithus was a zone that releazed with pretty much no content and then in AQ we got the content that it should had (tho was mostly dailies and more grind, but hey!) So compare what we got (the whole TBC xpac, 10 levels, like 12 dungeons, all the new raids, all the new zones) to have gotten 1 new zone with some daily content and finaly 1 raid (The Black Temple)... and the Kara patch would had just been a couple quests outside Kara for atunement and then the raid itself, or maybe we would have gotten Black Morass dungeon too, which would be needed for the atunement.. That dungeon had been in development since before vanilla anyway... So no, Vanilla+ is an idea i don't think would have ever worked, nor would realy work right now... only a very small niche of people that are too stubborn in their mindset, or dont want to accept they are wrong, would stay playing that version of the game. You probably would end up quitting the game 1 or 2 years into vanilla+ for good because lets face it, is not realy a sustainable mode.

​@@VValkyr players asked for it but the developers should have been smart enough to not give it to them

You mean like cataclysm, where they rewamped zones to show destruction feathering caused, and opened up zones that were on the map, but inaccessible? Also, I don’t really see how are you supposed to revamp old content, without screwing either levelers, or high lvl players.

That sounds amazing but blizzard would find some way to mess it up as they wouldn't want to devote the resources necessary to pull that off well

I mean Dave who made the original Culling of Stratholme mission in Warcraft 3 plays Turtle WoW and he's spilled some beans certainly. He's DesignerDave here on youtube as well.

Welcome back, have fun.

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No, it was the bad WoW! And you're a bad dog! Bad dog!

The cat federation 100% agrees.

​@@HuffleScrumblo why because it didn't have anthropomorphic foxes you can rp as?

Wotlk was the peak. First hero class, best story, balanced pvp (not at first, dk was op 😅, later became a strong class)

Storywise im not sure tbh. Classic and tbc were very good too. A testament to how good wow was

what about muradin?

It would eventually expand to other races and the other faction, just like it did in real life.

@@thepurpleshade486 muradin was a warrior 100%

shamans definitely shouldn't have been exclusive to orcs. in warcraft 3 you have a tauren unit that is undeniably a shaman (spirit walkers) and multiple troll units that could fit into the role of a shaman (witch doctor, shadow hunter)

​@@thepurpleshade486what about him

its called War Within

Imagine another timeline where they never released TBC and instead we got patches that little by little implemented all the original ideas that they had for vanilla wow

*either blademaster is warrior or rogue would make sense too. Hes wielding a twohanded weapon in wc3, but has stealth. I imagine you could make the bm as a rogue orc too in this theoretical classic wow. Mayve call him bladesmaster 😂

Thank you :) The general information about hero classes early beginning can be found on the WoWPedia page about the subject. An expanation of the original system (in relation to Warcraft heroes), former game designer Kevin Jordan did a twitch stream explaining them some years ago. The spells and items arent really visible on Wowhead, but if you find the IDs from the game files or other databases, they will appear

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Indeed! Most of the information comes from former game designer Kevin Jordan. The original stream link is dead, but there are different shorter clipped highlights still around. Here is an overview of the system based on the info coming from Kevin Jordan: www.reddit.com/r/classicwowplus/comments/dde1ff/hero_classes_in_classic_the_original_design/ The timelines are based on official statements from Blizzard, and can be found in the references of this article: wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Hero_class#Development *keep in mind most links are dead, but wayback machine to 2003-2005 will show the original posts. The items and spells shown are all taken from the gamefiles of the original vanilla client

I can hear this now watching it again. Ill keep this in mind - thanks!

@@lingricen8077 Brother I ain't lying. I started during the end of WoD and only had a lvl 30 Worgen hunter, then I made a Worgen DK. I dunno how it was possible myself so please go fuck yourself somewhere else.

@@lingricen8077 I started during the end WoD and only had a lvl 30 worgen hunter when I made my worgen DK. I dunno how it was possible myself but it was. So go and disturb some other guys day.

@@lingricen8077 Nga I just explained my situation to you, what about that was a hissy fit?

No one cares about that in an mmo anymore, not even in vanilla.

It’s just poorly done. City of heroes did epic classes/sets right. Starts you at level 1 to progress naturally and it feels great.