@@HistorywithCy dude please make vedio's on South Indian history,which is ignored.We have great empires like cholas, who were the most powerful navel force ,who controlled South-east Asia and Rashtrakuta empire, who controlled north india.please reply🙏
Great video! Just to expand a bit on the later Spartan history, in the early Middle Ages, Sparta was destroyed by the Gothic & Slavic invasions, and the Spartans moved about 6km to the north of the ancient city, where they established Mytzithras (later Mystra), a mountainous castle town, which during the Late Byzantine era, became a despotate (principality) under the Byzantines, with one of the sons of the emperor as despot (prince). Today Mystra is a UNICEF world heritage site. Even after the Ottoman expansion to Greece and the Balkans, the Laconians never succumbed to the Ottomans as they were self-ruled when the whole Balkan peninsula belonged to the Ottoman Empire. Modern Maniots who inhabit the dry and mountainous region of Mani, are considered the descendants of the ancient Spartans, they're similarly fiercely independent, warlike, and continue the tradition of being monarchophile. There's also a region to the east of Laconia, called Tsakonia (possibly a corruption of Exolaconia/Outer-Laconia) whose inhabitants, the Tsakonians, speak (or rather, spoke, as their language is endangered) a dialect which experts consider as the sole descendant of the ancient Doric dialect of Greek, called Tsakonian, mostly unintelligible to the rest of Greeks due to its archaisms and the different path it took as it evolved. Nativlang has a good video on Tsakonian
You missed the part about the Spartans during the Byzantine occupation by the Christians, were fiercely resistant to Christianity and their conquest and conversion happened much later, as late as the 10th century. But I do not blame you because the false narrative by the Christians prevails today.
@@chrispantazelos2981Does it really matter? Polytheism isn’t any better than Christianity, praying to deities who graped each other or innocent people isn’t something to look up to. But obviously you wouldn’t happen to have any anti Christian sentiment would you Chris? (funny how your name is even Christian)
Thanks my friend, really appreciate the kind words... I'll do my best to fulfill more prophecies by putting out more content more often! Thanks again for stopping by, always appreciate it... stay safe!
You're amazing my man, haven't even watched the video yet but i know this is something i can sit down and enjoy with some ice cream. You always go in depth and provide the context I've been missing from programs that usually cover this stuff. Thank you!
Thanks my friend, hope you enjoy it and learn something. Speaking of ice cream, if I can just make a recommendation - try Ben and Jerry's Brownie Batter Core...it's awesome!
Since this video is relatively old, you probably won't see this. I just want to say that you're my favourite history channel and I've been binge watching your videos on ancient Greece as well as Mesopotamia.
Great stuff. I find it interesting that there are quite a few similarities between the steppe cultures and ancient Europe. The dual monarchy and origin myth of being raised by wolves/crows are some the most common ones I come across.
Haha yeah it could have been longer, but then it would have been another week or two before I released it. Was glad that I added the machinimas, made it even better! Hope all is well on your end and talk soon!
Fun fact I just noticed I wasn't subscribed to you yet lol. I'd just come to your channel every now and then to watch your new videos so I didn't even need the subscription, it was a force of habit. Anyway, thanks for the delve into Greek history, the Spartans have always been fascinating for good reason!
Haha no worries, you're already part of the channel with you music! Yeah there's so much more I wanted to add to this... I'll probably do a podcast where I just talk about other aspects of Spartan life and society. Thanks again and more to come...and now you'll be notified as soon as it is!
I am really loving your content man! I found you about a year ago. I watched your videos for a little while, and the I stopped watching them. But recently, I have started to watch your videos again.
Very informative and revealing how much more these ancients depended on war instead of cooperation. In the end nobody is the victor as long as their main tool was/is the sword.
Always happy to see a new video! Oh Sparta, what an interesting nation. A shame they didn’t really leave much behind, especially a first hand Spartan account.
Thanks, glad to finally put one out after a couple weeks. Yeah, I guess they were more focused on being great warriors and weren't as bookish a society as say Athens, hence they didn't write too much about themselves. As always, thanks so much for stopping by, really appreciate it... stay safe!
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl Half of the world then are probably fascists. You probably did not understand or do not know much about the way spartan way of life and the era of the time. Peace!
@@earthspeed half the world believes in ruling an enslaved population through terrorism eugenics indcrnating children through all types of abuse to be loyal to the state and not making any art
Philip II was sent to Thebes as a hostage when a youth. He received his diplomatic and military education from Epaminondas, who had revolutionized hoplite warfare. Upon Philip's return to Macedon he turned his petty nation into the most powerful force on the planet in a generation. Epaminondas was a clever fellow. Victor Davis Hanson, "The Wars of the Ancient Greeks" is a great read.
Warlike Aphrodite has been found in Sparta, but it was a Roman statue. She's also been found in southern Italy. There's no inscription, but modern scholars associate her with Astarte, because Aphrodite typically sucks at warfare, but "Warlike Aphrodite" carries a spear, dresses like Mars, and has a "Get some!" expression on her face.
@@Alusnovalotus It may also be that Peloponnesians and Syracusans and such loathed Athens and didn't want to use their mascot, and so created their own war goddess.
Cy, while enjoying this again today, I had an idea. You mentioned Aesop's Fables as something commonly known in Plato's time. That got me thinking There's a lot of literature 'the West' knows little about. Could there be episodes about the classical basics of modernity? A list keeps building in my mind. I wonder about the source of Aesop's Fables or Persian love poems. What was the first peace agreement ever pressed into clay? Why is a replica of it (or is it real?) on display at the UN? What was the story of Homeric story-telling itself about, and how might it have functioned in their culture, (being developed in that so-called Dark Age between the 'Bronze Age Collapse' and the building of the Great Parthenon in Athens?) I could go on, like very early Mesopotamian steles, Enheduanna 's poetry, oh hey Sappho's too lol you know ... Different writing materials and methods ... See Useful Charts on the history of writing. Marcus Aurelius wrote, Claudius Caesar has something remaining? The philosophers, playwrites, prayer makers, remember Enheduanna. From Gilgamesh to the Brothers Grimm, and that really branches off many ways. 🤷🏼👵❤️ Woolgathering ✌️
Near the beginning it is implied that this region of the peninsula started to be inhabited around four thousand BCE. But this means one is only looking at the area after the migration/influence of near-eastern farmer populations. Humans have long inhabited this part of the world, Neanderthals, then modern humans, and of the latter different groups over tens of thousands of years. Untangling these deep roots is challenging, but I think it is important to understand these things to help avoid the eventual nationalism/ethnocentricity that can creep into discussions like these (see for example comments posted an hour earlier than mine, by Meryert Utegali and Yaru Qadishi).
I have come to accept a theory that is also supported by Invicta in his video on the Spartan Myth. The theory is that the Spartans were a leisure class society that enjoyed the rich man's life while the Periokoi were the steam engine of industry, specialized craft, and Spartan culture. The Helots were essentially as you have described them. You actually made a very good point when you used Plutarch's quote that things could be seen going into Sparta and not coming out. That is exactly what I believe as I really do not believe that Sparta's culture was really so stoic. I imagine they were just as colorful as the rest of Ancient Greece, it's just nobody outside Sparta saw that color due to the conservativeness of Spartan society i.e. their lack of wanting to connect with the rest of Greece on a cultural level. Much like communist civilizations we have seen and see today. No one on the outside really knows for sure what goes on inside due to the highly conservative nature of their societies. If communist nations today can still hide so much with all the technology we have, then imagine how much Sparta could have hidden back then. They would've theoretically been able to completely shape how the outside world sees every aspect of Spartan society with the outsiders being none the wiser. As are we....
I didn't realize how much the ancient civilizations and time periods were/are interwoven. I've always thought there was a large territorial gap between all these places and peoples. In school everything was presented as distance to "name of place" from the US. The other place wasn't generally on the American continents.
One thing I always had to laugh about is that IF the Spartans believed in the Iliad in that Agamemnon & Menalaeus were brothers that they would see the Mycenae were related in some way
Greetings my friend, thanks for stopping by, appreciate it! Yeah I need to improve my Greek pronunciation. Even the professors here at university anglicize Greek and Latin words to an extent when pronouncing them, so it's hard to sometimes find the right pronunciation. Thanks for the tip, appreciate it! More to come, stay tuned!
He pronounced it fine. Ancient Greek language wasnt pronounced the same as modern Greek language. 'Oi' wasnt pronounced as ''i'. This only started after the conquests of Alexander and the Hellenistic period. Gradually the 'koine' dialect came to be pronounced the same as modern Greek. In the ancient attic, doric etc dialects 'oi' did not sound 'i'. 'Ai' did not sound as 'ε' as it dies now. Make some proper research on the subject and you will realize this. No offence intended. I'm also Greek and hadn't realized this until i made my own proper research. Prononcuations of words and letters change with the passing of hundreds or even thousands of years. Even most words change meaning as you very well know... 'Ta panta rei kai ouden menei'...
Hey Vangelis. Yes modern sound different. I know the ancient oi or ei was not the flat modern I but though not 2 syllable either o+I. It was an I with sound towards to o, if I can say. I am not expert but this is what professors used to say.
@@LaconianL Yes, his prononcuation is also not the exact same as in ancient times of course, but its closer than the one you initialy wrote to correct him, which is the modern prononcuation. All good. Have a nice day.
Thank You for not glossing over the treatment of people which is still done to much in our modern times of ignoring genocide all over the world. These facts of ancient times must be revealed as has what is occuring in our modern times. Blessings to You for all you do :)
Yeah actually the Spartan constitution forbade coinage so they used iron rods amongst themselves within the city of Sparta. However, they probably stored vast quantities of gold, perhaps not for circulation amongst the population, but for purposes or as a means of exchange outside of Sparta. Thanks for stopping by, really appreciate it! I might do a podcast this summer where I can go into more details...stay tuned!
You mean the name is used as such. I doubt you have a word specifically for that and instead using the name Sparta for it. That the only way it makes sense.
It seems like the enfranchised upper castes retreated into and over time reinforced a unitary martial culture to preserve its dominance over its proportionally larger serf population. This created a martial culture that led the spartans towards outward expansion, for which they had both the internal cohesion & military capability to do so successfully. This expansion of their territory brought an expansion of the serf population, and the material wealth that emerged from their dominance must have increased massively. This increase in risk & reward reinforced the original dilemma between the Spartans and its lower class.
8:25 -- RE: Lycurgus; while I feel your historic concern for placing Lycurgus in a timeline, it seems to me that the key fact of his placement is not the exact year (or even a range of years) but rather *his* recognition of Iron as a key technological development, and thus a cultural necessity. Lycurgus is therefore credited with making "ruined iron" into *the* currency of the Spartans, at least in theory. With that being said, it seems clear from the whole of the historical record that the Spartans did not fanatically pursue Lycurgus' wishes with respect to spurning gold and silver wealth; but where does the Greek Iron Age truly begin? Possibly, with Sparta.
RE: Ruined Iron; needs a video just for itself, in my opinion. Generally, "ruined iron" is described as being iron which had been made red-hot before being quenched with vinegar, rendering a brittle iron useless for the purpose of making weapons.
Haha there are still a lot of groups that I haven't covered yet, including Athenians and Corinthians - have plans for both. Thanks for stopping by, really appreciate it... more on the way, stay tuned and safe!
There's been archeological excavations in Kaiadas, which is the place where Spartans supposedly killed their deform babies. Not a single bone of a child had been found. But plenty of adults. This shows that Kaiadas was a place for executing criminals, and there's no evidence that they were killing their children. These excavations happened for some years now, and it's surprising that many people still choose to stick to that narrative. To the point where you can even tell there is a purpose behind it.
Yeah sorry about that... YT is random with ads, I feel sometimes they put a lot of them to encourage viewers to buy their premium, ad-free service. Who knows. Thanks though for stopping by, appreciate it!
About modern Sparta. Nobody lived in Sparta since the 4. century when Alarich the Goth conquered the city (he would later conquer Rome as well). Sparta was repopulated much, much later. So it has very little to do with the ancient city.
The Spartan have documentations of going south, the city has been revived mate let’s not act as every civilization other then the Brits and French ceased to exist.
Hmmm, interesting point. I've always wondered that. I'm not sure much would have changed though since the Persians, especially the further a satrap/province was away from the core regions, would have likely let the local rulers do as they pleased, as long as they paid tribute and supplied soldiers for the Great King's campaigns. Maybe Cyrus the Great would have freed the helots since that would have been in line with his character, but I doubt Artaxerxes II or III, had they been in Greece, would have done much. Would be an interesting alternate history scenario to explore and have some fun with! Thanks for stopping by, really appreciate it... more on the way, stay safe!
Sparta didn't have wall not because of lack of invasions (which was true) but because it they said their chests where the walls , and it gave a symbol to the enemies that they didn't have walls
"The common Greek tradition is that the Dorian kings as far back as Perseus the son of Danae are as they stand in the accepted Greek lists. ……If on the other hand we trace the ancestry of Danae, the daughter of Acrisius we find that the Dorian chieftains are genuine Egyptians. This is the accepted Greek version of the genealogy of the Spartan Royal house.” - Herodotus, - Privilidges of Spartan Kings Pg 406
The Perioeci and the helots outnumber by more and more, because of one more reason - the Spartans just didn't make as much children. You know why. I don't know why people are just wondering where did the Spartans go, when it is very clear.
Point of clarity... The Spartan boys would not be killed for not passing on to the Agoge. They would be relegated to periokoi status. Which meant they were jo longer worthy ofncitizenship, but were noble enough to dwell and participate in spartan society and events. Think of it like being fit fornthe military. But the militaylry runs EVERYTHING and you really want to be a part of it if you want any sort of priveledge and legacy
