Brendan Lewis those dark ages and gaps in the timeline after all those wars took a toll on the galaxy's technological progression. Sometimes it'd jump forward and sometimes it'd take a big step back 💀
Brad Morales it was well over a thousand years behind on average if you look at the galaxy as a whole. It was more technologically advanced than the extragalactic races that invaded from its satellite galaxies (including The Yuuzhan Vong). But it coulda been reaching low tier Forerunner levels had they not constantly wiped each other out and regressed back into isolationistic sectors of space. The human race at one point could've rivaled the most ancient/powerful of galactic races but learned long before that they should never again try to "conquer" everything since the consequences were far more dire than they'd ever truly know. But what I'm trying to get at is that, the galaxy had its majority united under a strong single government or stable alliance it would have been spamming planetary repulsers, terraforming in months, and siphoning energy from entire star clusters or even galaxies. The main Star Wars galaxy (Sky River) has so much potential to be more but will forever be in a perpetual state of conflict due to their inability to work out relative peace...
Okay, now hear me out on this. Based on the picture that you showed for Darth Revan around the end, I now envision a trilogy set in The Old Republic with Keanu Reeves as Revan.
It's like you can know, but how could you make sure your grandchildren's grandchildren know how important it is to defend yourself, we're talking thousands of years in-between most events
The Jedi, after they decided the dark side was taboo, were close minded. They became fearful, something that they obviously wanted to avoid. And of course, as Yoda said: "Fear is a path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate... leads to suffering."
@Stephen Jenkins Again, you justify Genocide on non-emotional 'wariness'. Since hate would scale up from there. A jedi feeling hate would think the Deathstar too tame.
@Stephen Jenkins more like the Jedi wanted to destroy their rivals or anything that represented an enemy Ideologically or non Jedi force users, the Jedi were extremists, idealists and they believe they're right and everyone else is wrong and religious ideals to then thr Republic became like that to. But still things could've been different.
@Stephen Jenkins the Jedi wanted they're ideology to reign supreme everywhere, if anything they just created something worse and worsened the Galaxy as a whole
It's amazing that the Jedi of the Old Republic all the way up to the original trilogy we're so close minded when it came to learning different aspects of the force. But it's for reasons like this I love the expanding universe, characters like Kyle katarn and everyone else involved with Luke Skywalker's Jedi Academy believed that the force wasn't inherently good or evil, it's how you use it.
Ken Smith that close mindedness is what happens when a religion grows (physically and egotistically) with very few opponents and zero tolerance for "new" or foreign concepts. This all comes down to power and self righteous determinism that ends up harming other via their blinding hubris...
@Stephen Jenkins While I do agree with you on some points. The light and dark are both corrosive. Both represent the opposites of one another, Light being justice/order and giving, while the dark side represents chaos/change, and want. Too much order would lead to oppression and then corruption. People fear chaos because you can't control the uncontrollable but that doesn't mean its bad. There's nothing wrong with wanting something you can't have but it is wrong when you hurt others to get it. Problem with the jedi is that they are so extreme they are blind to their ideals they didn't even see the corruption growing from within themselves and the republic. Like Gen tech said, they killed all those who just wanted to study the dark side, all that were left were the extremist.
It sounds like all this started because the “Jehdi” couldn’t agree to meditate on the force standing up or sitting down. Either way, I see tons of untold stories for movies an tv series.
TheRezro I feel there was more to the response that people had to TLJ than just Disney’s representation of the Jedi within the movie, but Yano we live and we learn...
@@cdlwtamer2119 Well yes, but most of that was nitpicks. I personally do consider new trilogy as average, but amount of unproportionate outrage is just hilarious.
@@TheRezro Lol not even remotely. Most people appreciated the criticism of the Jedi in TLJ. The problem was making Luke try to kill his cousin just because he MIGHT go bad, when he was willing to die to hopefully bring his Dad back to the lightside. You clearly have a strawman in your head regarding those who dislike TLJ, lol.
While I tend to respect the Jedi, their greatest weakness is that when they're dealing with the sith, their rulebook goes out the window. They immediately decided to perform preemptive strikes on an order that made it clear they had no ill will towards the Jedi which led to almost every conflict in the star wars universe, and when Mace Windu found out about Palpatine, he immediately forgot his morals and tried to kill an unarmed prisoner. Honestly if the Jedi weren't so hostile against the Dark Side, we wouldn't see so many conflicts and deaths
@@christophereadgbe2976 Ok, yeah. Palpatine would've put up one helluva fight before being defeated out of exhaustion, but even he isn't unbeatable. With Maces skill and Anakins power, there's a chance they could've defeated Palpatine and made him stand trial. Don't forget, Anakin only lashed out when Mace made it clear he was going to kill Palpatine, something that was against the Jedi way. If Mace had decided to bring Palpatine in alive, chances are Palpatine would've showed his true colors and Anakin would've chosen the Jedi over the scrotum faced sociopath
Like Palpatine said, he is the senate. As much as we love to meme that line, it was true, he controlled the senate. The trial probably wouldn’t even have happened.
@Stephen Jenkins point made. The way things were when Mace rushed in were not in the Jedis favor, which goes into my beginning argument: when it comes to Sith, they rush in instead of using patience and forplanning. If Mace had waited a bit and talked with other Jedi to come up with a plan, they probably could have gotten evidence. Obi Wan could've told them that Viceroy Gunray was on Mustufar and they could've squeezed the truth out of him. Or go in with a recorder on and goad Palpatine into monologing about he manipulated things to get himself into power. As much as the Senate loved him, they would've hated him even more when they found out that their "hero" was the one who started the mess to begin with, and who personally ordered the attack on courascant.
@@etazeta674 not just that, but Mace didn't even take some time to THINK. Imagine- he just learned that their most fearsome enemy was the Chancellor, a person who was in control of the republic- and confederacy- for YEARS. But instead of stopping and trying to understand just how deep the corruption runs and what kinds of "plans b" Palpatine might have, Mace just ran there to kill him. It didn't even occur to him that someone as calculating as Palpatine might have forseen that.
No they couldn't. Coruscant in fact did have decent defenses and Jedi didn't really did that much on the first place. Problem was only that Republic siphon responsibility on them. Also without Jedi there would be no war on the first place, as Palpatine would have open way to rule. Or even one of dozens Sith before him. So no Separatist on the first place.
TheRezro the seperatists (at least publicly) was made because they wanted to split from the republic due to unequal representation in the senate and other things. Palpatine was the puppeteer, yes, but there would still be a revolt with the sith and Jedi or without them
@@somerandomcommunist1327 It was more about taxation (outer rim was non-tax zone to help its development) as even if corporations weren't directly represented they still did have planets supporting them. Also whole conflict become a thing exactly due to Sidius manipulation, as he promised them that he legalize whole thing, what he didn't intend to do as he was actually senator of Naboo most loudly calling for taxation. It was what push his chancellor nomination after all (he obviously blamed Jedi for not delivering promise). Though all that was part of larger plan to instigate the conflict, as Trade Federation didn't actually intend to start war, as it would hurt they business.
The Republic became ideologically extremist the best comparison to America after Woodrow Wilson and his extremist Ideology Wilsonism believing in defending democracy around the world
I kinda wish Hollywood and Disney Star Wars would recognize the potential of story telling, merchandising, and overall money there is in the Old Republic. I might be biased towards the Old Republic, but it was a really cool era of Star Wars, it being followed by Phase II of the Clones and the Empire.
The main issue of the Reformation is the fact that it rendered the Republic vulnerable. One thing is to reduce spending of defense, another is to remove it entirely and rely exclusively on local forces. The best course of action would have been to copy the Imperium of Man organization, with the PDF handling the local stuff and the Imperial Guard doing the rest (with Astartes acting as support). On the Jedi: they should have remained separate from the Republic and that link is what brought them down. Also it wasn't in the Republic best interest dealing with the internal affairs of the Jedi and Sith, as long as they didn't impact the galaxy stability as a whole. That change alone might have avoided a lot of the escalation, because the Jedi wouldn't have had the Republic military backing their purges
I find it funny how the Sith seems like the good guy here, just wanting to be more open minded, and the supposed heroic Jedi were fueled by hatred to this side of the force. Everything bad that happened to The Jedi, such the rise of the galactic empire, could be considered their own fault in a way
Actually, from what I researched, Star Wars weaponry is actually pretty horrible. Blasters alone can cause an incredibly gory wound, vibroblades are a even more so because they're blades, and don't even get me started on the Force Powers.
And then in the beginning of the video, he said someone wanted to create another jedi academy, and still did it despite being rejected. And they said it was an open minded environment. And the lady decided to be Jerks and attacked them
I kind of feel like living in the continental U.S. is like living in the core. You pretty much are living in a bubble world as mentioned in this video. Washington is like Coruscant (the Imperial City) and places like New York, Paris, London are like old, famous worlds like Alderrean, etc. Art imitates life, perhaps.
Allen Kneale except the world is not beholden to a global government. Which like the republic would ultimately inhibit the rise of less developed parts of it
@@grayflaneur4854, fuck that idea. The US could be nuked by countries like Russia, North Korea, or even China at any moment, and we wouldn't stand a fucking chance. So no, it's not like a bubble world. I live every day fearing when NY is gonna get nuked or hit by an EMP.
It sounds like to me that the jedi are the evil ones. Does it seem like it to anyone else? Another thing is that the jedi kidnapped young ones that where force sensitive.
@@atomicarchive3381 I agree with you. But more often than not the Jedi start the war on the Sith. Now the Sith only have hate for the Jedi. So in the end the Jedi created the Sith mind set. Would you agree?
They've certainly done some morally-questionable things, but when compared to the Sith (I remember an Arc in TCW, where Palpatine stole infant children, and then wanted to conduct horrible experiments on them, which is certainly a lot worse than "just" being taken and raised as part of a religious Order), I'd argue they're still the lesser of two evils no matter which way you slice it.
You also forget the fact that Dark Jedi tend to be warlords. Part of the reason why the Republic always gets involved in these Jedi-Sith wars is because the Sith believe Force-users should rule, while the Senate and the Jedi believe elected officials and local rulers should rule.
This is not true, I would say. The Republic often enough was build at least in part from planets which leaders were monarchs (aka NOT elected), and some of them like Empress Teta ruled with a iron fist against those who were not willing to bow, sending them on prison planets with high casualties. By the way, I not really have the impression that the leaders of the Jedi are chosen by one man/woman one vote-style anyway.
@@marcbartuschka6372 Not really. Most monarchs in the Republic are elected one way or another, like the Queen of Naboo. Also, Teta ruled with an iron fist before her empire became part of the Republic. Afterwards, her descendants were demoted to mere lords of the system, not emperors.
true however, the bar for entry though to enter galactic politics is not something anyone can do, even good the good senators, were from the upper middle class or better. Even Padme came from the Naboo aristocracy.
@@grandinquisitor8335 That, and the quality of the senators leaves much to be desired. Instead of public servants, they're at best, bean-counters, and at worst, greedy scum. So some Dark Jedi would rather go rogue than serve a gaggle of incompetent morons that are beneath them in intellect, skill, or courage.
This is the government that deadlocked itself over the question "Is the Trade Federation parking gunships over Naboo a bad thing?" It would make anyone a dark side user after a point, that's why i'm team Fel empire all the way.
One of my biggest gripes with the sequel trilogy is the fact that a lot of the New Republic made THE SAME BLASTED MISTAKE the Old Republic did by ditching most of its military. Without the Jedi, they were even more vulnerable! The level of stupidity is enough to drive me crazy!
It's almost as if being open-minded and reaching out to your ideological opposites prompts your opponents to return that generosity and kindness back to you whereas being close-minded and rigid in your beliefs simply prompts more violence. Weird.
Would be nice if you listed the comic books and novels who took place in that period. I read a lot of Tales of the Jedi, from Dark Horse. I believe they started 5000 years before the movies. But I dont know if the comics book align well with other expanded universe histories.
Yea that would’ve been a more standard route but the army of light more or less replaced the federal military already so it’s a bit different. It would be like if the allies only had a crusader army after wwii
The US _gutted_ the military after WW2. Truman thought that having the A-Bomb meant large wars were a thing of the past, so every branch of service got cored like an apple after the war. Soldiers were demobilized, equipment was scrapped, and bases were closed all over the place. Obviously you'd want _some_ draw-down after a conflict like WW2 ended, because it's unbelievably expensive to maintain a military that large, but this was Starfleet levels of wishful thinking. The Korean War broke out slightly less than five years after the end of WW2, and the US forces sent there to defend South Korea were a bare shadow of what they'd been in 1945. When the war started, the Navy was down to two aircraft carriers from the dozens they'd sent against the Japanese, the Army and Marines were stuck trying to stare down T-54's with bazookas that - when they worked at all - would have barely annoyed German medium tanks years before, and the Air Force's most advanced jet fighter, the P-80, was a rush job left over from 1943. The fact that the allied forces were able to hang in there and not get pushed off the Korean peninsula entirely before reinforcements and better gear started to arrive was amazing.
@@marinerproductions1315 There's a few possibilities, but I think he means things like armored knights on horseback, of the kind you might have found headed to the eastern Mediterranean during the Middle Ages.
Listening to this I think the reason the jedi were kept in the government loop was to try and keep some control or at least information on them. Turn them loose and how far would they go?
Totally see this as being the main reason. I mean, the Force itself is terrifying on its own, without much information on it, so how safe would you feel leaving an entire order of its users just... completely free and autonomous?
A bit of fine tuning for the Ruusan reformation would have been to emphasis the Judicial nature of the Jedi and change them culturally to be lone wanderer hero types enforcing justice in the Outer Rim, at least for a sabbatical or two. Jedi dedicate themselves to righting wrongs and fighting _mundane_ evil in the more lawless regions - organised crime and slavery. They actually work in teams still, and can be requested by local authorities or sent out by Central. But spend most of their efforts as *Knight Errants.* Not only does to keep them busy and out of politics, but it _makes the galaxy a better place for the downtrodden_ and also increases the risk of any large conspiracy being uncovered. As for the Republic military, it is still kept and is active as a patrol force, including rapid reaction units, that's purpose it to deter and defeat piracy and local wars and warlords. Many world in the less developed regions would be, and were, unable or unwilling to field enough forces to protect the region - which is how the Trade Federation got so much power and so many concessions. Having Republic patrol ships be ubiquitous protecting the spacelanes would give a reason for taxation and Central authority. They are providing police/coast guard and maintaining security far more efficiently through economy of scale, training and experience, and (from the local perspective) limitless reserves to hit back against tougher opponents such as pirates that could defeat a planetary fleet or a neighbouring system with a expansionist agenda - and particularly slavers. While the Jedi infiltrate and gather intelligence on the troublemakers and also occasionally cut off the head of the snake. After all what condemned the Republic even before the Clone Wars was indifference to its outer territories and tolerance for corruption and slavery - failing to live up to the standards it had set itself. As for the fleets, the ones assigned to local system patrol can be shorter range, with a rapid reaction central fleet composed of elite fast hyperdrive long range pure combat ships to jump in if any system needs temporally strengthening. And maybe local fleets crews can be rotated occasionally to prevent them becoming personal property of the local rulers? The galaxy becomes a less lawless and much nicer place to live, and people are happy to be citizens for the protection and _guaranteed_ rights.
Had the Republic not demiliterized the Naboo crisis could have been avoided via Republic intervention. They removed a big portion of their leverage options by demiliterizing.
Lolol I’ve been noticing the “Easter egg” in your videos since your scenery change, I was waiting how long it would take for the hand on the shelf to flip me off 😂😂
IMO downsizing the military would have made more sense so you would still have a group of trained personnel instead of having to rebuild from scratch. System defense forces could be defeated piecemeal leaving them with no defense.
Ironically later-generation Sith members would see Xendor as a hero of the Sith cause, even though Xendor was simply a man who wanted to expand his views.
If you think about the Jedi have been responsible for every setback in the galaxy. How far Advanced would everything be if they didn't exist. Or at least didn't take such an active role
It would be great to have a new, extragalactic threat come to destroy all the known galaxy to force both Jedi and Sith to just quit their bullshit and work together in order to survive. Not necessarily the Yuuzan Vhong, albeit they would be cool, but any party or groups of parties united that were more than a match for _anything_ the Star Wars galaxy could throw at them. And make the conflict last LONG. Decades if not nearly a century. To force Jedi and Sith to set their differences aside and live under the same roof for long and long periods of time. Essentially, giving them more time to interact without killing each other. The idea being developing their cooexistance. And acceptance of each other.
I agree, the Jedi should have been removed from the Republic. But in the end, both sides liked the power and authority they gave each other. And, it ultimately lead to mutual destruction.
There is a difference between peaceful and defenseless. Peaceful people have the means to destroy you, but choose not to. Defenseless people, on the other hand, cannot fight back
And then there was the Treaty of Versailles after WWI, which FORCED Germany to dismantle it’s Army, which was also one out of 414 clauses made to punish the Empire from the Treaty’s total of 440.
A final grand solution, introduce a additive to *all* food supplies that decreases midiclorin counts in those that eat it. Except resist the temptation to _clone some Jedi, feed them untainted food and raise them as supersoldiers_ - it's bound to backfire in the end. A couple of generations and no more Jedi or Sith. Or just declare Force abilities as heresy and witchcraft…
Like I do get it there are countries out there with no military but none of these are superpowers, if you are at the top someone will aim for it. And what about less technically advanced systems they more likely were hoping on having the Republic's military to help them (they pay their taxes so it isnt a freebie) but if a non Republic force comes well I guess they're sol. I do get in peace time not having a giant military but at least enough troops to aid in a planet or 2.
If the Republic never demilitarized, then there's no plot for these movies. Palpatine would've had to subvert regular army personnel with the Force and draw more attention to himself so he needs the Senate to bury it's collective head in the sand about the fact that a federal army and navy would solve issues between mega-corporations, pirate cartels, and colonialist powers like the Mandalorians and their own aligned planets. If Mon Mothma wasn't naive and dumb as bricks with her inability to from learn the mistakes of the past there wouldn't be a First Order Crisis, but there'd still be a Hosnian System. Legends Star Wars remembered the need for central military powers not easily undermined by a cackling, scrotum-faced evil wizard and the New Republic was much more able to deal with threats like Thrawn and the Yuuzan Vong so Disney did away with it in their refusal to innovate. So long as there are two people in the universe who don't agree and don't like each other, a fight is due in time.
So basically the problem was *Evangelical Jedi.* Jedi who looked forward to a epic final apocalyptic battle for everything, after which the worthy would be _raptured_ into the Force.
The lack of a standing military showcases the complacency of the Republic. Imagine the U.S. with no federal military, only state or even county based military and when conflicts arise the fed sends monks to negotiate.
Random question What would happen if the darksaber was in combat against a white Lightsaber? Would the light still be taken out or would it be equalised?
Technically, Humans have the High Ground. Worrying about Dolphins is a quick road to paranoia. And then, burning alive and being encased in a cybernetic suit.
They should have at least tried pursuing neutrality not duality within the force. Instead of light, dark, and grey, they should have viewed the force as an infinite spectrum.
@@blackshogun272 Oh I know. I was talking about the nascent post Je'dai who became the Jedi. Even Grey Force practitioners saw the Force as a duality of light and dark which is polarized thus inevitably leading to division. Viewing the Force as just the Force with no sides therefore no allignment does not. No one can take sides if there are no sides to take.😁
Mike Vasquez such talk would have you executed by the Sith and have you be "rehabilitated" by the Jedi. The only course of action to take in the presence of such ignorance and pride is to just leave. But not to give up your faith and start a new and more refined order that isn't biased as hell to a single perspective of The Force. And even if you do choose to align you new Force religion with a specific aspect of it (Light/Dark/Magick/etc) then at the very least try not to become bloodthirsty conquerors, learn to be justly in your actions, and if it can be done, help planets in need of true heroes that aren't seeking publicity, fear, or rewards. Very few Force Orders in Star Wars Legends hold such beliefs but the few that do put the ideals of the Jedi and Sith to shame. *Looks at Blackguard robes*
@@blackshogun272 True. The biggest mistake every divergent group made was informing their original group of their intent to diverge. Playing along then gradually diverging. Is the key.
@Stephen Jenkins well, the early Jedi that wanted to know bout all while the light side radicalized? °^° they kinda just kept nudging each other into more extremes, but it was the Jedi who started the mess (that's what i think)
Cutting back your military is an incredibly stupid idea, you'd think the Republic would learn this lesson after repeating the same mistake several times. If they have issues against possessing a galactic military then simply establish planetary defence forces ALONG WITH a small military of a few dozen ships and highly trained soldiers with advanced weapons and armour, this military won't be enough to conquer whole systems but will be able to handle pirates or deal with situations like the one at naboo when the trade federation blockaded the planet
Wow if you think about it, the Jedi were more destructive than the Sith. Especially since the main reason the Sith became so extreme and destructive themselves was because of the Jedi.
total demilitarisation is always a bad idea because it dont matter how nice and powerful you may be without an army to defend yourself there will always be someone who wants what you have perfect example was the clone wars or even in our own history, after ww1 the british empire largely de militarised only having the expeditionary forces, and the French tho having a powerful army had become complacent allowing the army to become outdated meaning that when hitler gained power he was able to ignore the allies and do what ever he wanted infact i feel like if the star wars galaxy was real in reality something like the clone wars would have happened much sooner and well theres also the fact that it is space as time goes on new races develop and grow, i mean look at us ww2 was only what 70 years ago? and we are at a point where with the right funding and support space travel and colonisation is more than possible so imagine what we could have in 200 years, and so not all races that develop are gonna be peaceful, and if they grow and expand in a quieter region of space by the time anyone notices them its too late and you have an army too large and powerful for local security forces to fight, so always having a military even if its just a small well funded, well trained and well equipped response fleet with a few thousand marines can make all the difference,
