DAVE KNOWS that Ring of Honor is a great wrestling promotion and people don't know nearly enough about it. So it's time to take an in depth look at the beginnings of one of wrestling's greatest companies.. Ring of Honor.
You got/said everything accurate except missed one thing. Rob Feinstein said based on the countless shoot interviews RF Video conducted "what it comes to running a wrestling promotion, we learned what to do and what not to do"
I'm going to see Omega vs Rhodes in April and I saw the broken Hardy's vs Young Bucks last year. SuperCard of honor is becoming an annual tradition for me.
I am a rare Chinese guy who is truly a pure wrestling fan who loves Indy wrestling. I followed RF when he was selling tapes at ECW shows. While I don’t really like Rob I felt he is a fast talking swindler when I was browsing his tapes and saw I was a big wrestling fan that he would push me to buy more. I was curious so I spent $100 of his bad quality Japanese death match tapes. I had been to many ROH shows on his ownership and I was impressed with his shows. I drove to Philly and Boston to watch their shows and was always gone home happy. The best was the first show at the Elks with the big riot that happened. I don’t know if this was scripted back then but I was always on gone to run out of the building if something dangerous would happen. Well great talents came and gone. I must commend that RF did bought in lots of great talent in to the shows. And thus made this company a worth driving for and seeing it live. Today’s ROH is ok not worth driving out for. I lost interest in many of their no name talents but I was drawn back by bringing back some good japanese talents and bullet club. But I missed the good old days when Dragon gate guys and Noah guys came and made it watchable. Now no more dragongate here is sad.
Since you’re such a ROH lover maybe you’ll enjoy this bit of insight. I don’t believe ROH can be called a Indy company anymore. They’re owned by a publicly traded company and have been pulling in TNA numbers for their PPVs back when TNA was on spike between 2008-2010. In 2008 no surrender TNA pulled in 3500. Their biggest that year was lock down 2008 with 5,500. Last year ROH best in the world pulled in 2,876 and ROH super card of honor 9 pulled in 3,500. Numbers like that are very good for a non wwe ppv in the states
Yes, the definition of Independent company is a rough one to lock down. There are those who view ROH as still being an indie fed, but are those who don't... good insight
Great! A video about the history of Ring of Honor. Nice work Dave! I started watching RoH in November last year and I absolutely love it. I would like to see more like these like the history of TNA/Impact, PWG or CZW.
SpinoDino I’ve been watching ring of ring of honor since 2012 and my first introduction to ring of honor was Adam Cole teasing his heel turn before he became Adam Cole baybay and Kevin Owens (steen) being kicked out of his own faction S.C.U.M. In favor of Matt hardy and the beginnings of the blood feud between hardy and Kevin and I knew right away I was hooked
Cody McCollum I saw some stuff/promos/matches with Kevin Steen and I think Kevin Steen is better than Kevin Owens. Well, more creative freedom. I still love Kevin Owens thou.
SpinoDino Kevin is one of my favorite active wrestlers and I think he’s one of the best, and yeah I agree he feels like he had more freedom to say and do whatever it took to get heat and it’s too bad he’s not allowed to use his package piledriver that move alone would get the crowds attention
Great video these days I'm glad ROH is around for those slow weeks on WWE TV ROH gives me the Wrestling I wanna see and they always leaves me entertained.
Dave Knows Wrestling-- Your welcome and it was awesome seeing you on Wrestling With Wregret and I hope that your channel can grow, your content is really deserving of it
I like the olders aspects of ROH more than the newer ones, such as the Pure Wrestling Championship match rules, early version of Code of Honor, and The Top 5 Ranking system for championship opportunity
I haven't seen it recently but I liked the promotion overall except for ONE THING: the tendency of "babyface"\good guys to stand around and seek crowd approval after they did a move! "Heels"\bad guys are supposed to do that kind of stuff!
I'd like to see a video about the history of wXw, Germany's biggest promotion. Went from being an underground death-match, worked shoot style promotion to a promotion full of original characters & some of the best technical wrestling the world has to offer. Aleister Black, WALTER, and John Klinger all got their big break from working for wXw.
I didn't know TNA and ROH used to work together. I've only been watching Impact since 2008 and ROH since 2011. If they want to survive maybe they should do it again. Soon there will be a second mastodon company and the smaller ones will suffer if they don't cooperate. I think New Japan, CMLL and AAA would benefit as well, since they are working with Impact and ROH.
@@DaveKnowsWrestling Thanks. To me ROH is a lot closer to what ECW was. They get how to run a smaller company, they've been around for years and are still growing. CZW is just Violence for Violence Sake. LOTS on controversy around their promotion and definitely NOT for those with a weak stomach. I personally don't like them but I'd love to hear your thoughts. Maybe even compare them to ROH and MLW.
so that's why ROH outlasted ECW, their ownership is constantly changing, where ECW was bought out by Vinny Mac. And ROH original home venue, was right around the block from the old ECW Arena.
im really surprised that you only have 10k subscribers, your content is on the same level as brian zane and the what culture/cultaholic guys.witch reminds me idk if this would work as a video but i was trying to think of what wrestling group i would compare to cultaholic leaving and starting over new. at first i thought maybe N.W.O. or radicalz but its much better compared to Todd McFarlane, Jim Lee, Rob Liefeld and a few others leaving marvel comics to start image comics.
Well thank.. things are just getting started.. spread the word and hopefully I can get way more subscribers, but I am glad you're one of them. And yes, I agree that the Cultaholics leaving is very similar to the Image departure.. the Radicals were my first thought as well
THANK YOU and THANK YOU! So glad that you are a part of it and glad that you recognize my stance on the douchebag. Also that shirt was a present from my best friend and thank you for liking the video
Dave Knows Wrestling care to give a new comer a short hand for your hatred of HKB? I saw you on Wrestling with wregret and saw this video and knew I had to watch
Well thank you for being a part of the channel! And props to Zane! Ask for the michaels thing. I think his backstage politicking ruined the company financially, but he did what he did for himself without caring about the WWF. He is the most overrated wrestler of all time. He has a limited moveset and low offensive arsenal. He has a stupid gimmick. He couldn't whoop anyone in the locker room in real life. And his fans fail to notice he only has good matches when his opponents do all the work for him... I could go on and on
To be fair the ranking system was always one of ROH's weak spots, as they were never able to keep it consistent. The Pick Six for me was the absolute low point. I thought the best ways to determine a #1 contender was always to just make a final feud match of a high profile feud a #1 contender's match and be done with it. Or when they had the Survival of the Fittest winner become the #1 contender.
I like that it was at least different. I agree that it was too inconsistent and I thought it was too contrived. For me it was just more of an "A" for effort kind of thing
I always liked the top 5 ranking system. It was simple and informative. Whenever I bought a new ROH DVD, it helped to get a grasp of who has a high standing in the company at the moment, when they showed the rankings.
ROH has been around for 16 years now wow they put on great wrestling and I love how they work with njpw my only problem with roh is TV it's only on at crazy times so no major deal but they should only use big names and have best matches shown I just think it would help them grow and any videos on tna it's been around but I don't consider current impact the same they can't call it tna but they love to show all tna classics and impact is good it's not tna
Ι αctually don't like ROH, it's great wrestling but that's just what it is : Wrestling. We rarely see original promos or funny segments. Their promos mostly look something like this: Heel: I'm great, I win, you suck Face: You cheat, you don't have my respect Again I'm not saying that's a bad promo style but there aren't many original gimmicks. I mean there are some original stuff and sometimes funny but it's mostly a normal guy with a normal name fighting another guy with a normal name. Where are the Fashion police ? Shark boy (yes I liked that)? The Hurricane ? And that's actually the problem with most indie promotions. They're just pure wrestling and nothing else, no gimmicks and no characters
I do hear what you mean and I would prefer a bit more of that stuff too.. but Dalton Castle has great character work, so do the Briscoes and those guys are just some current. In the past El Generico and Steen were some of the best characters in wrestling
Dionyssis Karkantzos All prejudice and misinformation. ROH had and has some of the best characters/gimmicks and storylines in American Wrestling ever since they started to exist. WWE hasn't had as good a story as the CZW Invasion, the original Summer of Punk, Steen vs. Generico, Jimmy loves Lacey or the most recent stuff with the Bullet Club since at least 1997. Seriously no gimmicks and no characters? The main booker of the show is Delirious, one of the most unique gimmicks of the past 15 years. How could there be no gimmicks or characters with a booker like that. Your Fashion police are SoCal Uncensored or Dalton Castle. Your Shark Boy is Delirious. Your Hurricane is the Villain Marty Scurll. And that's just the current cast.
Very Good question.. I would say so personally. I think especially after Impact almost went under, ROH took the spot. I'm not sure about their financials, but I would tend to think they are edging out Impact
I really think ROH has lost its luster over the years nothing on ROH TV today seems like ROH, it's all just very homogenised and kinda seems like a smaller TNA sometimes even the level of talent has dropped significantly, back in the 2000s there used to be epic 90 minute time limit draws and almost every top guy in the company could claim to be the best wrestler on the planet these days, except for a few, there isn't really a whole lot of really high calibre talent also, it has gotten too goofy, ROH used to be serious pure wrestling for the most part all these things have led to me stopping to watch it every week
I do hear what you're saying. They have begun to try and appeal to a more mainstream audience, which can happen with TV deals and corporate ownership. I think NJPW is changing too in a similar way. I think the Pure championship needs to be around. And I think a big problem is WWE gutting their roster.. especially when they won't use the guys they acquire well
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I hear you my friend. Discovered them in 2007. First DVD was Supercard of Honor II and a few months later went to my first live show, Motor City Madness 2007. Built up my DVD collection to 73 events. A lot of their back catalogue. All the Joe vs Punk matches. Any ROH title change, Id buy the event. I was excited when I seen them on HD Net. Then came Sinclair. Detroit doesn't get them. But keeping up with the promotion, you can see the gradual progression of the company. ROH still has the best wrestling in the US, but definitely more flash to it. Im glad I found this promotion when I did because you could see just how much talent was gonna be good to great. I don't follow the promotion like I used to, but still enjoy it every now and then.
I hear ya.. but I think there have been some great moments for the product outside of that. Dalton Castle, the Briscoes... the work they've done with NJPW. And so much more
Depends on who you ask. Some will say yes and some will say no. From what I can tell, I think they haven't over extended themselves too much. Which is good. While they may not be ideal, I think they are okay for now
They work slow and steady. Haven't taken huge gambles and tend to work within their means. Might mean that they're less well known, but they also haven't been brought to the brink of bankruptcy and ridicule that TNA has. Rumor has it that the Sinclair deal is what saved them at the last minute. I mean, they've lasted longer than their predecessors. That has to count for something.
WOW That pure championship is hokey lol Anyway RF Video started Ring Of Honor? No Kidding I remember The ads for them in the catalogues but I wouldn't have put that together The only Ring Of Honor I ever saw was when it was back to back with TNA on SPIKE for what a month? I let The Bullet Club being a bunch of attention hungry pr*cks poison me on Ring Of Honor Not fair I know but that is just how it is
