C.S. Lewis: “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”
@@mikefawdrey6113 The Third Reich was based upon Christian ideals and was, in the beginning, supported by the Catholic Church, Hitler was a Roman Catholic who was never excommunicated. The motto of the dreaded SS was, "Gött mitt uns!" ("God is with us!") Hitler's book, "Mein Kampf," frequently states that Germany was doing God's work in persecuting Jews and establishing a master race. Stalin murdered millions of people based upon the ideals of Communism, not atheism. He was opposed to organized religion because it competed for power, which he wouldn't tolerate in a dictatorial political revolution.
Executioners were actually low-level nobility in the sense of their ranking in the hierarchy of people in a country. Executioners were not only well paid but taken care of by the state. So if you wanted to pick somebody to marry who you actually had a chance of getting with an executioner was a very good choice. You would always have a job and a roof over your head as well as everybody needs an executioner. Also a lot of executioners at least from our historical records seem to actually carry a lot of dignity in their job and looked at it as a reinforcement of the idea of life and preserving life. Typically if you kill somebody for committing a crime other people won't commit it and you won't have to kill anybody else (thats the hope at least). That's why these executions were always a show. But even if they were show The Executioner, unless told to, would make the kill as quick and clean as possible. They didn't want a person to suffer unless instructed otherwise.
One of the most beautiful things Ive ever heard was when Edmund Campion was dragged by horses on cobble stones streets, and with broken shoulders he managed to raise up his head and nod to Our Lady as he passed an image of her
My Father went to St Ignatius Catholic college in London which can claim Alfred Hitchcock as a famous old boy. Campion was the house he belonged to. Thank-you for a very informative and interesting upload. Subscribed.
Roman Catholicism is not Christianity, it is a pagan Babylonian religion with biblical names. It is the Whore of Babylon of Revelation 17. They deny the authority of the bible in favor of the Pope and his minions. Edmund Campion was a Catholic terrorist. Learn about true Christian Protestant Reformation theology.
@John Carboni It is an idiom; a group of words established by usage as having a meaning not deducible from those of the individual words (e.g., rain cats and dogs, see the light ) - but you can always look the meaning up if you don't understand it.
I love your videos.. found them about a month ago and how you talk and express the situation from that time period is phenomenal. Never any true judgement or personal input but pure facts. I love learning new things about history and you’re showing the what many would call small people who played magnificent parts to history. Some of these people we never even heard about in our history lessons. Truly phenomenal work lad, I love the depth and details you go into for these videos. Keep it up ✨
Campion and others priests were executed for treason, they were hell-bent on assassinating Queen Elizabeth, on the orders of the Pope, and replacing her with a catholic - Mary Stuart.
We, in modern day, don't realize how unique are situation is... We have choice,,, ,, for now.... Mind control of the multitude (Religion is in this category), has always been a component of civilization... Check out the punishment for not honoring the Sabbath in strict accordance with the LAW (Mosaic Law)... Remember, all has NOT been accomplished,, heaven and earth are just as they have always been.... So, according to a renowned historical Sage, Mosaic Law remains in effect... Matthew 5:18
@@reasonablespeculation3893 Yepp. Religion was just a proxy used to control the masses. If you won't obey me then you will obey "the lord." As I rewrite the book to cater to my whim.
I can’t believe this they asked him if he believes in the Queen and he said yes, they offered him his freedom a high place with money and he turned it down on principle knowing he would be tortured , this is unbelievable
@@m4rs12 i feel a bit sorry for people with no religion, no faith, aimless and lost, only expecting nothingness upon death. what irony if you were granted your wish, and eternity of nothingness.
@@Legohaiden Same here . They parade their ignorance and unbelief as if it were a badge of honour .Pretending to themselves that they are superior to those of us who do . " We will not serve " ...who does that remind us of ?
And still its just mumbo jumbo... Think of all the people dying in religious wars, and supression of anyone not worshipping the correct "God" and being straight as an arrow.
"only for speaking out".......religion is dangerous! It is unbelievers that needs protection from religion but religions are up with ethnic minorities in legal protection. We are on the verge of introducing blasphemy laws in Scotland. We should, like the French, insist on a secular society. Anyone can believe what they like but we should relegate religion to a matter of private worship and take away their charitable status
@Anna Maey No, not in God's name. I'm an Atheist, but this has everything to do with increasing one's own power, and solidifying the monopoly on violence, which is Government.
@@picmman Wrong.... This happens in every society with or without religion. As to organize people requires insane levels of violence, otherwise there will be a relentless power struggle, with those that are more brutal coming to power. Democracy was suppose to be a work around this, although, it made for some other corrupt, and underhanded methods to getting into power and maintaining it, and not straight up brutality.
To be fair, Elizabeth, when she started her reign, said she had no wish to build a window into mens' souls. Initially, she was willing to live and let live, when it came to religion. But then the Pope issued an official document, encouraging Catholics in England to openly rebel against her, because by the Catholic Church's standards, she was not a lawful heir, and therefore not a lawful ruler. Even King Phillip II of Spain was horrified the Pope did this, because he knew what a horrible position this put Elizabeth in as a head-of-state. The Pope at that time really did force Elizabeth's hand in this matter, and he put English Catholics of the time in the very difficult situation of having to choose between being loyal to their church or being loyal to their country. The persecution of Catholics during Elizabeth's reign can arguably be laid at the Papacy's feet. If the Pope had kept his mouth shut on the matter of Elizabeth, the religious bloodbath which occurred during her reign could've been averted. And I say this as one who'd been a Catholic born and raised.
@@wayneparker9331 The Jesuit priests were executed , not for their religion, but for treason. The Pope had excommunicated Queen Elizabeth and commanded that it was the duty of Catholics to get rid of her and replace her with a Catholic , presumably Mary . Queen of Scots. A training school was established in France to train priests exactly for this. It is not too difficult to draw a comparison with the present situation regarding the clash of religious beliefs.
Euphonia Carstairs, no doubt you have some similar "reasoning" about her father Henry 8th's butchery of Catholics including Thomas Moore and Elizabeth's mother? A strange moral code which seeks to justify torture, murder and robbery provided the victims fit a profile and a label which the murderer conveniently assigns. A very selective view on tyranny and who is victim of tyranny, much like today where victims of war criminals are responsible for their own misfortune. By the way, was the Pope responsible for the Earl of Essex rising up against her?
@Phoebe Friday His Holiness the Pope was not a completely free agent. The part of Italy that included Rome was at the time under the control of Spain, and he didn't want to offend his political masters by agreeing to the divorce of Catherine, who was one of their relatives.
I found this lovely channel around two weeks ago and have been educated more through these videos in 14 days than I ever was through 12 years of History lessons at school! Also , he has a sexy voice!
Great videos. While historically flawed, the Kate Blanchett films “Elizabeth “ & “Elizabeth: The Golden Age” do bring this era to life for us. Thank you for this video.
I've been reading 'Will In the World,' a biography of Shakespeare. One of the chapters focuses heavily on Campion. What the state did to him doesn't exactly reflect well on Queen Elizabeth, but on the other hand, it's easy to look back and judge her with the benefit of 21rst century hindsight.
I've been to the Tower several times and there is a feeling of souls crying. It's an amazing place to visit. I went down into the torture chamber and the implements were rather an incredible array of nasty pieces. If faced with any other those items I would have said anything they wanted me to. I hope the brave souls that endured those terrible fates were justly rewarded in the next world, they certainly deserved to be.
@@richardmoon3745 Finally, an athiest that respects others beliefs and doesn't go on a crusade on the comments whenever someone says something about religion.
Torturing religious people makes more religious people. To weaken religion, make their lives comfortable and non threatening. Comfort destroys religion.
The churches are liars. Why devote yourself to a group of people who make up stories about sky gods? The priest know they are lying. Conmen, every last one of them.
Comfort does not destroy religion. The people alive in most of the world today have levels of magnitude more comfort in their lives than anyone alive during any other part of history, and yet religion survives.
This is not happening in medieval times - it's drawing to an end of XVI c. It's these things happening, which tell you that Middle Ages are finished. Don't fall for Enlightenment propaganda.
The Tudor period must have been terrifying for people, as monarchs flip flopped between religions. Even if you thought you were safe as part of the monarch's inner circle, that could change in a moment...all it took was an accusation of heresy by a rival.
and then you would have just been killed anyway... but people would know you for the cowardly non-believer, because no true member of a faith would just flip flop to save their skin. Everyone Dies, and no one chooses how to die, but one thing you can choose, is to stay true to your ideals regardless of consequences, and when people remember you they will do it with respect.
@@Legohaiden it's easy to say that not ever having to be in that position. The default position should always be survival, at least these days, as we know more than to put faith in the delusion that religious belief will grant you a second chance anyway. It's easier to be brave when you genuinely but also naively believe you have nothing to fear.
I've come to realize it's not the seekers after truth you have to watch out for. It's the finders. As Feynman said. 'Better to have questions you can't answer than answers you can't question.'
Bless you. It’s not religion that’s leads us to the horrors we see here. It’s wanting absolute control and authority and the lust for power. God didn’t tell anyone to do these things.
I was a theist until I was in my early 20's and my life was a mess, I learned how to think properly and found my out of religious indoctrination and brainwashing and now my life has been completely changed for the better. Mike what swayed you to theism?
@@waveman0 I would suggest that if you were indoctrinated in conventional church life you did not know Jesus Christ at all much like myself. Jesus Christ gave me a new life and a new wife who changed my life totally. You refer to theists who may worship gods made by man as many are such as the car on the drive which needs to be polished and cleaned what is your god
@@mikefawdrey6113 no true Scotsman fallacy. At the time I was very much a Christian and had, what I believed to be a relationship with jesus. But that's the rub, I now know just how silly that is, it's like saying "I have a relationship with Santa Clause". Your relationship with 'jesus' is all in your head (as in a delusion) and I defy you to prove otherwise.
@@mikefawdrey6113 Plus I would add, what's a 'conventional church' and how are we to tell the difference as a child growing up, and know what's true or not? Christian churches abound and they all preach that they are the one true church. There are like 1000+ different christian faiths. Isn't it funny how we are most likely to end up the religion that we are born into......religiosity is almost always matter of location......plus why do parents find it necessary to indoctrinate children into a religion......as they say 'get 'em while they are young' and I wonder why they say that?
Its not as much about execution in the name of religion as it is about enforcing absolute authority and dominion over the people . It would be terrifying having an unhinged bloodthirsty queen going around changing the rules
Wow! Imagine that happening in today's age, where someone talking out against a religion is killed for their believes, such a barbaric thing to do, so glad we have moved on since then.
There is an underlying message that is relevant to what we’re going through these days, many centuries later. No matter what your religion is, government can’t control what your deep subconscious knows to be true. Whether we die or protest in the streets for that is another matter down to each individual. Real revolutionary change always comes from the people, never from the government. It’s a lesson that a few highly privileged people should have paid a bit more attention to when their parents were paying extortionate fees to Eton and Harrow.
I can only describe the brutality of the past and even the present as hell on earth i really do not and will not ever understand torture of any kind to any living thing on this sometimes beautiful earth
What fascinates me is that Christ never raised a hand to anyone and never forced anyone to believe in God or him. I can’t wrap my head around how brutal people were in the name of a man who preached the exact opposite.
This kind of nonsense was what drove my grandfather away from church. He believed in God, not in people and their inconsistencies. I personally don't have any beliefs, but I respect his attitude towards the hypocrisy of organised religion. The idea that you believe in a higher power and still have the audacity to interfere with it by defying free will - a God-given right - would be laughable if it hadn't brought, and to this day continues to bring, such suffering.
The irony, to me, is that the two religious groups involved here are followers of the same religion, Christianity. They just can't agree on how to go about worshipping their same god.
GOD GIVE US BRAINS. YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHATEVER YOU DO. YOU DON'T SEE GOD ORCHESTRATING, GIVING ORDERS TO DO ALL THOSE KILLINGS. GOD'S ONLY FAULT WAS GIVING US THE BURDEN OF FREEDOM.
Blessed be his name & I ask for his intercession for my soul but there are many terrible errors in this video. Thank you for your work and may God bless you!
Henry Walpole: "I am deeply disturbed by that horrible execution that got blood on me" Me: I mean you didn't have to stand towards the front, my guy. Seems like you made a choice there in attending the drawing and quartering. Not sure what you were expecting.
@@robertlehnert4148 I watched it. That scene where the woman was being pressed to death was horrific...it haunted me too. I was watching with my 26 year old daughter. When we first saw a group of people being brought out to the scaffold, she asked if they were going to be hanged...I said, "only if they're very, very lucky."
Benedict - RU-vid comment sections ruin everything: can’t even enjoy watching an old-fashioned religious persecution/torture video anymore whilst pondering the Christian message of Love and Salvation in the Grace of an All-Merciful God. I am a Roman Catholic this week; last week I was Greek Orthodox, and the weeks before that, High Anglican, Calvinist, and Lutheran. In the last months I had in turn been a Sunni and Shi’a Muslim, Lubovich Hasidic, an Essene, an Ebionite, a Gnostic, a Zoroastrian, a cannibal animist, a devotee of Osiris, Ishtar, Athena, Mars, and Baal. Curiously, as the weekend approaches, I find myself reverting to an Epicurean agnosticism which, by the end of Sunday services, always culminates into a polemical neo-atheism...
@@Cardifftoyboy1 Atheism has caused more deaths than Christianity by a long shot. Nazi Germany, Russian, Communism, Pol Pot. My moral compass is right. If you're an atheist it's definitely not.
They loved their sadism in those days didn't they. The "removal of privy parts" freaks me out most. I would find some means to take my own life (make a noose from my shirt?) before I went through that horrific ordeal. It would also deny them the satisfaction of a public spectacle. 9:23 Ravens were at the Tower of London even in those days
@brian elliot It is the people who are responsible. There is no will of the god. There is only will of the people who claim to know the will of the god.
@@rickrandom6734 it's a cliche to defend god/religion and no longer hold any ground as time goes people get smarter. remember, just like everything else the easy way out is to blame on people who're following order! does it even make sense? a good leader would have good followers and evil leader would have evil followers, THERE CAN NEVER BE ANYTHING IN BETWEEN! are you saying god is powerless to stop the evil? or god doesn't know what would happen? what a mess! all knowing but not knowing? all powerful but powerless? your comment is a ploy to save the leader, whose existence has no even shred of evidence.
One of my family’s ancestors was Major General Harrison who was also hanged, drawn and quartered. He had signed the death warrant of King Charles I from what my aunt had told me.
Depends which religion you speak of. Religion can be a force for Good or evil. No religion, as in materialism can and has lead to where we in the west are now. Who can say we do not live in a fallen world where pride and pleasure is the end goal? As for the Roman church, it has lost its way since the split from the east and papal conrol.
@@tommoon5063 your conflation of atheism with materialism shows you lack a useful argument. Atheism and materialism aren’t connected. You had to use the dishonest trick of connecting another philosophy in order to get to a condemnation.
Along with current torys profiteering from the pandemic,while families go without,food heating ,end up homeless,etc,& the targetting of poorest children ,forcing them to starve.no shame.
The Campion School in Hornchurch, Essex, UK is named after him. Opened by the Jesuits in 1962. Alfred Hitchcock, the Hollywood movie director donated money for the chapel there: archive-uat.catholicherald.co.uk/article/14th-march-1995/3/hitchcocks-school-chapel-gets-face-lift
Champion knew the risks when he began his mission in England. It makes me wonder about the mental state of people who can perform such a punishment on another human being, even for treason. I despair of all religions sometimes.
Why is it ironic ? Catholics were persecuted by pagan Romans, then they suffered under Vikings and Saracen raiders, and then had to deal with all this reformation bullshit, and French revolution and 19th century modernism and the nazis and communists, now we have to deal with secularism and islamic fanatics.
Walpole didn't jusy because a Catholic after Campion's death, he became a priest. And about 14 years later was executed exactly the same way as Campion.
