You're right. When you walk in the place the atmosphere is crushing. You can feel the sadness and although I didn't see anything paranormal, others have reported lots of activity there.
Actually, according to many, Catherine Howards ghost actually haunts Hampton Court Palace with many hearing her screaming to see the king in the corridor of what led to Henry's study. I think its Ann Boylen and others thats said to haunt the Tower.
Watching these history lessons, I have to wonder why anyone would have been stupid enough to come within the same galaxy as Henry VIII, let alone have sex with his wife!
It has often made me wonder too! Different times, obviously. The Boleyn thing was obviously a power coup, one bunch against the other, but this was just Nuts! Culpepper was a nasty piece of work, by all accounts, suspected of rape and murder, but got away with it because of his 'connections' People need to stop seeing the Medieval Monarchs as some sort of weird Romance and see the lot of them as Mafia! The Borgias? The Medici? The Tudors? All Gangsters. Stop thinking fairytales and start Thinking Sopranos. These were nasty people who have bequeathed us the Nasty People of today. It didn't stop it just mutated
@@applegrabberenthusiast Read the article to which I referred. There are good reasons to believe that Katherine Howard was NOT the adulterous queen and that she was the victim of a politically/religiously motivated frame-up.
@@ButtonsCasey I have Never judged history by our 'standards' I judge it by human ones. If something is traumatic and disturbing to us, it would have been to them too and actually what happened to Catherine as a child would still have been considered wrong by Their 'standards'. If not why was it carried out in secret?
@@charliebowen5071 many notable historians do think Catherine was the victim of abuse. Especially as a child when she lived with the Dowager Duchess. You should watch the Lucy Worsley programme on the 6 wives of Henry VIII. Dr Worsley, a noted historian, came to a similar conclusion.
From a historic point of view, it is important to point out the sacredness of the royal bloodline in the thought of the epoch; you mention Henry's strong desire to beget a son, which was actually his father Henry VII's behest to him on his deathbed. This meant that the act of sleeping with the queen was interpreted not only as adultery but as High Treason, since it could have resulted in a commoner's son being elevated to the English throne. Such a consideration explains the two punishments meted out -; hanging, drawing and quartering was the established penalty for High Treason by commoners: Culpepper was lucky enough to receive the aristocratic version. While the punishments were brutal, a succession of French kings of the epoch were known for roasting convicted traitors over a low fire on a turning spit, while they sat by and watched, and a queen who had behaved like Catherine at one of their courts might well not have escaped this fate. Though modern people quite rightly regard these standards of behaviour as awful, it is important from a historical viewpoint to see them in the context of their time, thus avoiding anachronism. In other words, the behaviour can best be understood in the light of the thinking that caused it. Henry, terrible as he was from our standpoint, was in his own period actually less monstrous than a fair selection of his European peers, in this matter and in some others.
Thank you for saying this. I think most people today forget we need to judge history and the people of history by their own standards. It is not fair to the story, and it strip's history of it's own merit when we add our views and beliefs on historical figures and historical incidents.
You make valid points. However, there are good reasons to believe that Katherine Howard, was not an adulteress but the victim of a frame-up. Look up my article on her in which I examine the evidence.
@@denisenoe7927 thank you very much. Your article is very good and makes excellent points. I didn't know at all about Catherine's merciful reputation. I think looking on at Henry VIII's chequered life (all the great Tudors were brutal in my view, but he gets the press) there were lots of cases of the biter bitten. ie this was a very idealist man who had an upbringing centered on ideas and music and became King at a young age. As an adult he had a massively manipulative personality that was also fatally vulnerable to being manipulated. This combination, on my perspective of amateur psychologist, often crops up. It certainly would explain a lot about Henry. To make it explicit, I think he was frequently manipulated by intriguers in his court - most typically against his own happiness. In the case of Anne Boleyn, he was malingering himself, whereas in the case of Catherine Howard, he was probably duped. Mercifulness could have made her a dangerous woman to some people. Incidentally, I have a hunch that on Anne Boleyn, people get everything the wrong way round. I think Henry felt obliged to clap down the hatches on his first wife: her relatives were the founders of the Spanish Inquisition. They were starting to get into his court by using his queen as a pretext. Had they succeeded, he risked being sidelined and thousands of Englishmen could have been burned for their religious beliefs. It would take a while to explain why, but this really happened under Henry's daughter Mary. In short, I think Anne Boleyn was a pretext. Henry needed a catalyst to separate from Katherine of Aragon and get away from Rome as well.
@@timdowling6950 Thank you for complimenting my piece. We can't know for sure, but I believe the general perception of the 5th queen is likely off-base. Her being merciful could have made enemies but her religious conservatism may have been the catalyst for a frame-up. Do you think you might read other things I've written?
She did have some close calls. Henry was at one point persuaded to sign a death warrant for her, but she talked her way out of it. Being Henry's wife was definitely stressful.
What damage? He left England stronger than when he took the throne and while his son and Bloody Mary didn’t last long Elizabeth I had a pretty successful run. Let’s also not forget when he took over it was basically a Papal state, by the time he finished he started building the navy, made it a strong independent nation not bowing down to the pope anymore and dragged it kicking and screaming into the Renaissance!
@@punkwrestle yes yes YES! henry was the most amazing and successful king! he didn't deserve the abuse he was objected to by the wench catherine howard. she literally cheated on him! slut!!! we all know henry the child from god whould never. a true man of christ. god save his soul, england did him dirty…
Thing is, Catherine would have probably lived her own life w/o ever meeting the King if it wasn't for her uncle, the Duke of Norfolk, who basically brought her to court and thrust her into Henry VIII's bed to increase his own position in court. At the time, Henry was furious with Thomas Cromwell for arranging the marriage with Ann of Cleves. What better way to get rid of Cromwell (whom Norfolk hated) than to insert 'a pretty young thing' into Ann's household for Henry to 'bump into' in contrast to plain Ann. Catherine Howard was just a political pawn in a game she didn't even know she was a part of.
....His lust... for another male, control & narcissism took over any rational thinking, in my mind. It’s amazing how this King overpowered so many... and did little for the poor... Ty for your lovely presentation. Your voice is very well spoke.. Blessings ~
Thank you for uploading this video; I’m currently starting to write a book on Thomas Culpepper as part of in a book series involving forgotten historical figures. Thomas certainly did have a confusing life but it’s a fascinating one too. Looking forward to more videos soon 🙂🦋✨
1:39 That's not Howard. It's believed to be Lady Jane Grey. Heads were always put over the entrance to London Bridge. Also, Tower Bridge didn't exist at the time. It was built in the Victorian era.
The legend about Jane Boleyn says that she - eaten up with jealousy about George’s close relationship with Anne - provided the false testimony that sent them both to the scaffold.
She is my fave of all the wives. They were all special in their own way but I feel an affinity with her. My dissertation was on Katheryn, Elizabeth of York and Lady Jane Grey. Three of my favourite women of history.
Both of them were in their 20s and both of them knew what they were doing. It is a bit insulting to say that they didn't. The point is they did not have a great deal of choice. Just like women in certain countries NOW
I’ve often pondered why Henry sent for a swordsman from France for Anne, but let Catherine meet her end with the common axe. Probably because he knew Anne was innocent...
@@valentinafangirling it is thought the swordsman was sent for before her trial ,as sending a messenger to France and for him to arrive in London would of took weeks not days
The House of Treason ( Book a well ) was the Howards , all massive in catholic plots to overthrow, the Tudor lot ...about 3 generations of them got their nuts chopped off.
To a previous wife. Henry only beheaded 2 wives, divorced 2, 1 died in childbirth and 1 outlived him while married. Anne or Cleaves also outlived them all but was divorced before Henry married 2 more times.
She didn’t have the guidance or the learning. It’s easy to blame her for being a stupid girl. The reality is she was another victim of Henry VIII. She shouldn’t have done what she did but hindsight in a wonderful thing. She’d be considered a modern women these days.
Catherine Howard admitted she was raped. She was promiscuous because she wasn't brought up well enough and men would and did take advantage of her. I don't know if she had an affair because all the men she supposedly slept with during the marriage were older and knew of Henry's temper and the consequences of their actions if they're caught.
Hi and thank you very much for the fantastic videos of the Tudor period! I've seen various historians who believe that Catherine Howard was closer to 14/15 when she married Henry, the only things that you missed from this video about Catherine is that 1) she managed to escape her jailors and ran screaming for Henry, she got as far as just outside where he was (behind the throne room I believe) before she was caught and dragged back; and 2) the night before her execution she asked the man who was in charge of the Tower (forgotten his title) for the block so she could practice and get it right. When you think about it she was a very young immature girl who was pushed into Henry's line of sight by her family (mostly the uncle who she shared with Anne Boleyn) who was never educated in how to be a queen, I honestly believe that Henry saw her immaturity as invigorating and felt like a young man again. Which was why he was reluctant to believe the rumours, that's just my interpretation of what I've seen/read. Really hope you do Lady Rochford, she was quite the character!
Lucy Bunny he knew she was innocent how did she commit aldultery before she was even married to King Henry and yeah some men took advantage f her including Henry he killed Catherine Howard to hide his own wrongs I read she was 19 when she died but if she was 14 or 15 when married and they were not married as long as Henry and Anne were she was probabaly 16 when she died
This was an acceptable consequence in those days as our thinking processes were challenged prior to mindless texting behavior. Today our alleged leaders exterminate with skulduggery and thuggery but are just as ruthless as good old 'enery.
I am really shocked to listen the Tudors history. At any cost I never support women's execution. The queen,who gave pleasure of, how can the king executed her..
It was confirmed in the marriage bed. The bride was expected to bleed from a busted hymen and the sheets were waved out of the window. The fact that women bust hymens, -if they ever had one just in regular living was not in their scope. Which is why it got messy in KOA's divorce. She claimed he marriage wasn't consummated, the maids said otherwise.We will ignore the fact that the world is literally awash with blood; That on the sheets may not be that of the bride.Not sure if they knew about hymens,but they got the idea.
They were forced for political connections and power for their greedy family members. The Males could climb up the power ladder. Also if Henry wanted you, you would be summoned to his court whether you liked it or not I guess. All pigs
@@lisamariepocza4377 Exactly. Potential foreign brides could and did decline to marry Henry but it was no simple matter for one of his subjects to say "no".
She was meeting up w other men and he’d already beheaded one Queen. I think she should’ve known better. I’m just saying. It’s not right but definitely expected.
I quite, see the same, maybe she tought Henry is old, and didnt harme her, or was realy in love whit Coolpeper, who knows. But unlike Anne Boleyn, she realy commit those things. But that she can knew better, dont change the thing that the king behead a 18 years old teen.
@Anthropology 09 As true as that is, she knew what happened to her cousin Anne Boleyn for bullshit accusations. She should have known NOT to get as close to Culpeper as she did. Being a victim of sexual assault doesn't excuse later behavior like screwing around with a man of the King's court. Death was extreme but that is how it was back then.
There may have been an element of blackmail? If you look at Culpepper's character and background, he is No lovelorn Romeo .In fact he is a very nasty piece of work, suspected of at least one rape and involved in many armed brawls and woundings. Maybe he saw Catherine as 'useful' in maintaining his position. As for Dereham, he definitely used the earlier relationship to blag a place in a world that was far beyond his own reach
@Anthropology 09 She was Not a child when she married Henry. Although her exact age is debated, she was at the very least 16.probably at least 2 years older, which then, like now, made her an adult.
Catherine was in fact in her mid forties when she married Henry and was her fanatical health and beauty regime that fooled Henry. (It"s on her wiki page if you don't believe me)
Wikipedia is hardly a source of inscrutable information... but I think you mean Catherine of ARAGON not Catherine Howard. She was Henry's first wife and legend is that Henry asked to marry her when he saw a beautiful portrait of her. When he met her for the first time when they were to be married (She was from Spain) he immediately wanted to get an annulment/divorce due to how she ACTUALLY looked. Matey got catfished 500 years ago lmao. Pope Clement 7th refused this because it was the fucking 16th century - so Henry was like 'fuck it' and set up his own Church ~of England~ with blackjack and hookers and dissolved convents and monasteries. Whether Catherine of Aragon really was that much of a munter, bless her, is up for debate, but that is the story of how Henry the 8th was excommunicated by the Pope and started the English reformation and incited hundreds of years of religious violence and war amongst Britain's which was continued by his 2 surviving daughters.
@@PapaBrejj *legend is that Henry asked to marry her when he saw a beautiful portrait of her. When he met her for the first time when they were to be married he immediately wanted to get an annulment/divorce due to how she ACTUALLY looked.* That sounds like what happened with Anne of Cleves rather than Catherine, or was it both of them?
@@PapaBrejj Henry knew Catherine of Aragon. She was at the English court where she was first married to his brother Arthur. After Arthur's early death, Henry married Catherine, his sister-in-law. She was dynastically quite a catch for a nouveau royal line like the Tudors. They seemed happily married for many years before their failure to produce a living male heir to stabilise the succession of the Tudors seemed certain (Catherine after several stillbirths and miscarriages was moving out of childbearing age). This was important as the country had just moved out of a long drawn, messy civil war of two houses (Lancaster and York) both claiming the throne. The bad blood could break out again at any time. The Tudors were from the York camp but their claim was not that strong. This background combined with Henry's infatuation with Anne Boleyn led him to remember that biblical text which says you should not marry your brother's wife. On that basis he wanted an annulment of their marriage so he could marry again. It wasn't that unusual in royal families at the time and was usually granted by the pope but this particular pope steadfastly refused due to his own political alliances. Anne of Cleves had a lucky escape. Henry got engaged to her on the basis of her portrait but did not find her attractive in the flesh. What she thought of him is not known. He had to treat her well as he could not get in the bad books of Protestant as well as Catholic rulers. She was also smart or well advised and retired gracefully, richly endowed and lived comfortably in Henry's good graces. Perhaps the happiest of all his wives.
le métier de reine était alors fort dangereux..Le roi aimait les tendrons, mais par contre les tendrons l'appréciaient moins, normal ..la pauvre jeune fille n'a pu se dérober aux désirs libidineux de ce monarque, et n'a pu résister aux charmes de son entourage, quelle horrible fin pour elle qui aurait pu lui survivre ..si elle n'avait pas été espionnée, dénoncée par des âmes viles ..reposez en paix catherine..
Katherine, Manox & Dereham's exact ages aren't known, so you cannot state that they were twice her age as a fact- although you later say Dereham was a teenager when their relationship began, & yes, all evidence strongly points to them being a few years older than her at most: totally unremarkable, consensual teenage relationships. But you can't refute the "abused & groomed" theory without exact ages, & Katherine's well-documented consent (witnessed by the girl who shared Katherine's bed, no less!) is deemed invalid. I get that it's a revision of the "tart" theory, & that's good, but I don't think we need to make Katherine an abuse victim to "excuse" her behaviour. She had all of 3 boyfriends before her marriage, & only slept with one, then cheated with Culpeper- HOW does that make her a tart?? And it *wasn't* proven that she & Culpeper slept together (but my guess is they did.) It didn't need to be proven: she was executed for the *intent* to sleep with him, which they both admitted to, & with Dereham, which neither admitted to, although they admitted to a previous sexual relationship. (Katherine was also executed because Henry passed a law making it treason not to tell the king if you weren't a virgin before marrying him.) Strangely, although the massive & indisputable age gap between Katherine & Henry is criticised- & rightly so- it's not called grooming & abuse, even though Katherine was possibly under 18 when their relationship began. But you can't argue against the "groomed & abused" theory without sounding like you approve of grooming & abuse, or people having relationships with teenagers half their age. Which I absolutely don't, but I'm well aware some people would disagree. I'd refer anyone who's interested to Gareth Russell's recent bio of Katherine, "Young & Damned & Fair" (or yt vids/podcast about it). It looks closely at reliable contemporary records, & shows that none of the accepted narratives of Katherine's life actually fit. For example, far from throwing Katherine at Henry, her uncle Norfolk barely knew her, & had nothing to do with bringing her to court. Had he wanted someone to throw at Henry, though, there were lots of pretty young Howard girls, & someone would've quickly pointed out that Katherine wasn't the best choice... The Katherine who emerges from the records is far more interesting & complex than a pawn, a victim, a tart or an idiot, & I've found some things to admire about her.
Truly sad,and a death sentence if fatty Edward saw you ,i am not big fan of the English royals,but was a fan of the most human and caring princess Diana ,and to marry big ears (Charley boy) who even after married continued sleeping with Camila while her husband slept in other room,clearly he has a thing for horses ,but it does anger me that people bow in front of them,when this was a dirty cheating couple who cheated on the meaning of a princess.
Henry was a disgusting old goat. I do understand though a queen can’t be running around with lovers. Could be a child born with questionable lineage plus make the king look like a chump.
Another thing would you like to crap into a bucket and have a nice bath once a year 'and it wasn't unusual to walk up the streets and people throwing out their piss and crap out the top window into the streets below ' some parts of London you couldn't live in between human waste and the waste of all the horses and mules 'it was a place rife with diseases 'and it wasn't unusual for people woman included 'to just stop in the main street crouch down and crap just there in the street 'or woman crouching down for a piss 'it was a rough place to live
Lets put one thing to rest right now: Mannix in no way 'groomed' the young Catherine, that is just a typical bit of post-modern feminist claptrap. In those days, status trumped gender. She was the granddaughter of the Duchess of the manor and the niece of an even more powerful Duke and she had power and some authority as such. Mannix was just a lowly music teacher. She always had a way with men and was the main conspirator in any mischief in the Duchess' household. There's every indication SHE controlled the relationship and later testified that she refused to let him do anything more than 'heavy petting' because, in her words, he was just a commoner and she was an aristocrat. That doesn't sound like 'grooming' on his part to me at all. Eventually, she ended the relationship and he became the spurned lover. She was in no way his abused victim, that is just absurd. It seems these people have never met a pretty young teenager who doesn't realize the dangerous power of her sexual allure yet, but realizes she has it and that she can use it to control men....until it gets complicated and the situation deteriorates.
