The Institute Would Have Won if the Sole Survivor Never Survived 

Man RU-vid sucks. They stifle so many of my fav youtubers creativity and content.

That’s YT for ya smh

Interesting you're like the second or third RU-vidr I've seen have to reupload content

If the sole survivor becomes the director of the institute, I believe he can turn it into a force for good. Just like the brotherhood of steel in fallout 3

They're like that about everything. I periodically get nastygrams where they're like "Oh your content violates community guidelines, you can't comment for 24 hours." And then they never tell you what it actually was that "violated community guidelines." All this kind of thing is doing is causing people to come up with new words like "unalive" which just eventually end up getting added to whatever secret list they use anyway, necessitating the creation of yet another weird way of talking like "elect to discontinue their awareness."

It’s because they don’t have the Enclave and Bethesda was creatively bankrupt at this point, unable to create a new compelling „evil“ faction.

Yeah its always confused me, they think the surface people are doomed and are stopping the progress of humanity and need to die for said progress, and that they are the only hope for humanity but they dont see synths as human, so is their plan to repopulate with the handful of people in the institute? No doubt having to resort to inbreeding, or what even is their end goal it genuinely makes no sense i dont know how bethesda looked over that

To call the Vanilla Institute a "Mess" is still an understatement. They are so fucking broken, they simply shouldn't exist the way they are. Hell the Head of Robotics thinks Dreams are somehow evidence for Souls, and Souls make Synths living Beings. WTF!?

BOS shouldve been the evil faction in this game followed by the institute. They literally show up in force with a genocide on their mind.

@@Gewalt1984 bethesda loves their fascist power fantasy too much for the bos to be baddies.

The Railroad shouldn't have even been a major faction as they were so inconsequential. Unlike The Capital Wasteland, slavery is barely a thing in The Commonwealth. Yeah we see Billy The Ghoul and Synths under Institute control, but it isn't like the average person is being Enslaved. The Institute absolutely aren't the best hope for The Commonwealth as we see their actions countering Father's words. I like The Minutemen, but the organization just won't last in the long run as there really is no strict hierarchy. Everyone is expected to pitch in and that system never works out in the long run and that's why they collapsed in the past. The Brotherhood are the Best hope even if they have some flaws. They are inadvertently helping The Commonwealth by sending 2 Power Armor soldiers and some Scribes from a Vertibird and taking down groups like Raiders, Ferals, and Super Mutants.

This is one of the two core problem I have as well. Had I, my moral self, been put into that situation I would have joined the Institute because they do represent the best chance humanity has of progressing forward. Finding out there was no way to use that choice to make any long term changes, even that radio message you send out does nothing, reminded me this was Bethesda. Everything you do as leader of the institute can not change the institute. Of all the issues the institute has caused, the only one internal to themselves is how to deal with the Synth. We already know there are a few people who are sympathetic, it wouldn't be hard to begin a slow push to encouraging such a mentality to spread. At the very least you can pull back the production of Synths and stop utilizing them in such a heavy handed way.... Seriously, sit there for a few hours and watch that printer go. What do we need so many personal for? That decision could reduce tensions alone, as we tone back surface operations. The other, by the way: Nepotism does not make sense here. Sure, I can understand that Shaun had a big flaw within his ego and this is how it displayed itself... but the writers haven't thought this through well. Lets say you are one of those head scientists, perhaps of reclamation themselves, and your told the method of succession is changing and this complete stranger is now in charge. Not only that... said stranger is a pre-war vault-dweller turned militarized wastelander. Now you, in your position to hear things, find out bio has some interesting toxins.

@lostbutfreesoul Good points. The Bethesda writing team, I don't think, has anything interesting to say anymore. I started playing their games with Oblivion so that's kind of been the high point for me. Skyrim was fun but not narratively fulfilling...not that Oblivion was perfect by any stretch of the imagination but the difference between the two is stark.

You all forgetting that you as director are universally hated - bioscience legit tries to revolt when you take over. If you were to reform the institute you would have to purge like half the scientists or you are going to wake up in the middle of the night looking down the wrong end of a courser’s gun.

Sure, but you are universally hated from the start. Bioscience literally tries to revolt and seize the food supply the second you take over. What is preventing the SRB from sending a courser into your room when you sleep or The Molecular Relay from “Accidentally” teleporting you with your organs on the outside of your body? If you were to reform the institute it would be either you purging the directors or the directors purging you. You need to remember that the Institute thinks it is, objectively, the best chance for humanity as it is currently - so to them, by changing it, you are threatening humanity’s future.

Well Shaun had a goal I guess, his Goal was to ensure The Institute had not just a foothold in the Commonwealth Wasteland but was the top of the food chain so to speak. They couldn’t stay down there forever and he was getting too old to take the charge himself, which is why he gives the task to his father should he accept it.

@@maylabrown4584 they wanted to be the shit kings of piss mountain and build themselves a throne of dead civilians and slaves. Got it. it was this exact moment i realized the Institute and the legion are basically the same mindset.

When the brotherhood arrived they gained the goal of not dying to them

@@maylabrown4584 There's no way Father is actually Shaun. Its obviously a lie

@@GamingKeenBeaner Bad cope

Exactly, with the opposition seen there would've been an immediate coup after father's death. We already saw evidence of scientists taking over the food supply just after the appointment. In a real world scenario the directorate would have to be taken care of first

Sole survivor has already dealt with a courser at this point and the BOS in the mass fusion building, they are canonically stronger than some dudes in lab coats and probably fairly feared

It'd depend on how the coursers and synths loyalty "proramming" functions. If they're made to be loyal to the director over the board,, they're is going to have a hard time using them against you.

They would fail. If killing the Player was the easiest thing in the world like you say it is then they would have been killed all-ready. The player character will deal with these hypothetical Night Coursers then they will kill the entire Directors Board.

@@Fusseliko we know they're not programmed like that. Their conditioned, so like any leader of troops they usually have more loyalty to the field commander. I would assume the coursers have more loyalty to Justin IO than anyone in the directorate or the Director

i like this idea, the fallout world can be so dark. it’s why i like the ending of fallout 3 turning on the water supply. it would have been amazing to have some DLC where you face resistance from some of the directors for turning the institute into supporting the commonwealth

Yeah but with father gone what stops a direct it from outing you out of power. We saw a couple scientist rebel enable to reprogram synths. In a real world scenario there would probably be an immediate coup.

If you think you can change stuff once you become the leader, then you must be smoking some cheech and chong because its insane. Once you stop playing your opinion goes out the window. When you play they can't die, then you stop playing and Canon says you died shortly after(fallout 3 before dlc) Same thing here, morality goes out the window, youre supposed to be evil and only care about yourself

But synths are ultimate tool for supporting commonwealth, wtf you are talking, infinite manpower and worker resource

@@amalekh the Institute does not have infinite resources stop saying that

Maxon is the pinnacle of Founding Brotherhood values though.

Obviously from a lore perspective Bethesda wouldn't want a mass produced cure for FEV as that would be the end of Super Mutants. As a result in F4 the process to create the cure involves intricate steps, including genetic modification and cellular manipulation. It’s not a straightforward recipe that can be easily reproduced. The cure in question only worked on Virgil

without the sole survivor the BOS is wiped out before they ever even confirm the institute uses teleportation.

Relax girls your both pretty

The Brotherhood doesn't even need Liberty Prime. They just use it to bore a hole into the Institute.

I highly doubt the NCR has any resources to get all the way to the Commonwealth, they’re getting trashed by The Legion as it is and internal civil unrest. The Brotherhood taking the Commonwealth would likely have to deal with whatever rebelling force is left in The Capital Wasteland, likely led by The Lone Wanderer so eventually they’d get BFTO too. That goes double if the Sole Survivor decides to join the offense too, but it’d go either way if the Sole Survivor joined the BoS.

What do you mean you want showers? It's shown that the minutemen have functional sinks in the castle you're 2 steps away from a shower you just don't wanna work for it

I doubt that the NCR has the resources to make it all the way to the Commonwealth Wasteland especially with them getting trashed by The Legion and internal strife involving Brahmin Barons and political infighting. Let alone able to mount a force against a revitalized Prydwen possessing Brotherhood of Steel. The Brotherhood of Steel’s biggest if they manage to take over the Commonwealth Wasteland AND deal with The Institute would likely be insurgents like The Minutemen and The Railroad who’d likely link up with Rebels in the Capital Wasteland and Enclave Remnants.

But the institute would kill you or anyone you knew in an instant if they felt like it.

@@chickenwarriorr I don't wanna shower where mirelurks bang. And is it so hard to ask for a modern feature bathroom with marble sinks and floors?

By hording useless technology and experimenting or slaughtering everyone on the surface? Not really.

No they are idiots

The Institute are just a modern day Vault-Tec and they have no desire to help humanity above ground. Father makes this clear when he is on the rooftop with you and he looks around and talks badly about everything and the people that live within it. They've been around for over a century and have actively hurt communities above ground. They wiped out the only government system in place and they destroyed a major city just over some minor leaked info. They introduced Super Mutants in the area through testing Fev on kidnapped people. They are a threat to humanity even with all of the beneficial tech.

In real life, everyone on board the Prydwen is dead from dysentery within a week, as there are no working sinks or toliets of any kind. It's incredibly on brand, though.

The Institute should not be secret at all, but it is stated that their bunker was made before the war. How would that stay secret though? It would be a big project. Not as big as what we see in game, as they apparently enlarged it over time, but still very large and loud. There should be a ton of records on where they are.

@@ALLMINDmercenarysupportsystem they hid in the basement of the CIT and kept digging down, there was no bunkers under CIT.

@@JohnnyL11 The Institute base is the bunker under CIT. They made it a bit before the Great War, then expanded it after as needs increased.

Wouldn't coursers be sent after groups who spend too much time investigating upper CIT? Sure, you can say scavengers, but the ruins still had gen 1 synths patroling, letting the Insitute know someone is consecutively taking out the small guard.

Why do I hear boots that go jingle jangle jingle?

That's the thing though they don't have infinite resources. Which is why they scavenge and fucking destroy the commonwealth for its resources which are limited.

Eh, I think this is debunked by the fact the BoS' arrival will happen inevitably even if you don't meet them ingame. It can be presumed if the recon squad fails to report back Maxon's zealotry would lead him to go to the Commonwealth anyway.

But thr Prydwen still arrive even if you don't meet Danse prior to killing Kellogg. Even if you go to Danse, he easily kills the ghouls that are attacking them. If he just waits a few days to get Haylen and Rhys to their feet, they'd just go to ArcJet themselves

So you let your feeling get the best of you because you become the leader? And what if your character canonically dies a year later, you didn't do anything, you just rationalize murder kidnapping and being turned into a super mutant so you can...become the biggest evil on the east coast? Institute is worse than the enclave but you keep smoking too much and act like illogical things are logical

To be fair the exact same can be said with the scientiest at the Big MT in NV. Like you can make them work under you and if you have positive karma they'll help the wastes greatly

Mr. House would just show up in force with securitrons eventually, incorporating the institutes tech for his space fetish.

@@hayato1886 That is true, although I'd argue they lack the scale and societal structure that the Institute has. Not saying that couldn't be achieved, but I do think they're a better option. But at this point (since BIOS-related ending is canon), the Big MT scientists may be the only real hope left lol.

Sturges only built the teleporter based on the blueprints of a Rogue scientist. He actually didnt even do all that much. MC still needed to get the blueprints and get the Courser Chip himself.

Also Sturges is a Synth so that knowledge could be inherant.

Sturges is a Synth and his intelligence is off the charts just like Tinker Tom's IQ. You can't put down Sturges cause The Minutemen are the fail safe ending just like Yes Man was in New Vegas. You can destroy every other faction and be shunned by The Institute and still be able to go the Minutemen route. If you tried to destroy Yes Man, he would appear in another Bot and say he can't be killed. There are console commands to put down Sturges and he will reveal a Synth component. This was probably going to be elaborated on by Bethesda, but it was axed just like Danse becoming the new Elder was axed.

Wait explain plss?

​@@cryptic7791You were about to be beheaded when he arrived and ended up inadvertently saving you. If he waited 30 seconds, your character would have lost their head.

@@alexanderbarnes2734 oh right I always thought alduin meant to do that and save you at the beginning 😭

The big bad dragon in Skyrim. Alllll he had to do ...30 secs and the Dragonborne's HEAD would have been gone annnddd the world would have his.@@cryptic7791

Its not a bethesda thing its called a hero thing...like you never played any non bethesda game and realized bethesda is just copying too...

Without liberty prime there is nothing stopping the institute from killing the brotherhood other than avoiding conflict

Without the agitator I’d imagine the brotherhood would use all the power from the prydwyn to start liberty prime

Railroad is dumb in a wasteland. BOS have a point to prevent the replacement of humanity by Synths. And the prevention of future super mutant creation. But fundamentally the BOS stiffle all research and development.

Maxon nor the Institute for that matter are idealistic - their views are reflected in the realist philosophy of “the world is trying to destroy us so we are forced to destroy them first.”

Something along the lines of “with old age comes regret, and wondering what if more often.” It’d have been better with more context on how long Shaun had been director prior to the Sole Survivor being released from Cryo.

@@Mikeh2077But the Sole Survivor wasn’t released. Per the terminals, they along with everyone else outside of their spouse died of asphyxiation. Hell, the whole Far Harbor DLC storyline with DiMa and Bethesda mentioning that Institute Terminal that mentions Gen 3s can use VATS without a pipboy was pointing at the obvious. We never survived. We’re just the salvaged memories of a corpse on ice put into a Gen 3 synth. Hell, when Father says you were my greatest creation, he isn’t looking at the Synth Child Shawn, he is looking at your player character. He had hoped that he could recreate at least one of his dead parents.

While I completely agree about the railroad and bos, I have to disagree about the institute winning being better than the minutemen longterm. For the minutemen, that 1 flaw everybody mentions (if you die, who takes over) is especially present for the institute. They’ve been carrying on how they have for 200 years. The moment the sole survivor is declared director, two departments rebel against it. Can you imagine the difficulty in forcing the entire institute to change their way of thinking/treating the people in the commonwealth? Who’s to say they won’t revert back to doing whatever they want the moment the sole survivor dies of old age (assuming the institute doesn’t try or succeed at murdering them). The sole survivor would need a successor capable of keeping the institute under control and keep it going in the right direction. Which is exactly what the minutemen needs. A capable leader to succeed the sole survivor when they inevitably die off. The only difference is, the minutemen already share the goal of improving the commonwealth and haven’t spent the last 200 years experimenting on people. Of course, without any real definitive ending, this is all just speculation and head canon (which bothers me immensely).

@@Death2all546 I do agree that it could happen within the Institute as well, but by talking to the various people within the institute, I got the impression that they don't really like to interfere with them, Sean and the previous director on the other hand did, that I am sure of with the logs in the FEV lab. As intellectuals they should see a long term benefit of aiding the surface populace, and if we could get that other scientist, Virgil, to return, with a new goal in mind to see if a broad form cure could be made for the supermutants, or some way to neutralize FEV in the area. But the reason I sight the Minutemen, is because they are out there in the wastelands, and they seem to recruit anyone. And opposite for the institute is the insulating factor of the Institute that they don't let just anyone into the Institute. Thereby a successor could easily be groomed with compassion that the previous 2 or more directors have been lacking. Totally agree that due to the limbo of the game no matter who you side with, and the deed is done, no amount of head cannon will help scratch that itch on what happened after.

​@Death2all546 Directors are older than Sole Survivor (biologically, not chronologically), so they would probably died before SS, who could choose some more "calm" leaders for IT divisions.

@@airiannawilliams3181 The Institute's attitude towards Wastelanders reminds me of the Vault City residents. I don't think they would see Wastelanders as equal, but rather uneducated and ungrateful parasites, using all their tech and providing little but gratitude in return. A schism within the Institute due to the Sole Survivors leadership is more likely than one would think. Kind of like convincing First Citizen Lenette that fixing the reactor would help both Gecko and Vault City immensely in the long run, she'd rather have you executed or kick you out of the city than hear a bar of your proposal. Lynette really pisses me off, McClure's a GOAT lol. The only major differences are Vault City used humans as slaves, The Institute uses Synths which makes The Institute slightly more moral than Vault City... Maybe? Iunno, I just HATE Vault City... almost as much as New Reno XD

@@CrackDCat “the institute uses synths which makes them slightly more moral… maybe?” That’s an interesting thing to note about the institute. They made gen 3 synths with the intent of creating something completely indistinguishable from humans. So impossible to tell them apart that even synths who lost their memories of being a synth would have no idea they were one. So hard to tell them apart the only way to be sure is to kill them for their synth component. Synths that even need to eat, drink, sleep, and can dream (though there’s conflicting info on if they do need to, I say they do since otherwise every railroad mind erased synth would realize what they were after a week without needing to do any of those things). And then the institute enslaved them as “lesser beings”. Which makes an interesting question. Is it more “moral” (relatively speaking) to enslave random people off the street or to create sentient beings for the purpose of enslaving them? And it’s also a good point that the institute generally sees wastelanders as uneducated savages. Unless they find one intelligent enough to invite (kidnap) to join the institute.

I agree! F:NV did that so much better with the Think Tank at Big Empty!

I think it's supposed to be a prototype, so unique.

@@ALLMINDmercenarysupportsystem Gotcha. Given pre-war techs couldn't get it going because of power issues it's probably safe to say then the Brotherhood couldn't come up with another alternative before being attrited out of the Commonwealth.

It must be since the Brotherhood have LP online during Institute runs, hence reprogramming it during the final battle.

@kingofhearts3185 They have it able to talk, turn its head, and shoot the laser. We don't know about the laser, but it was completely able to do the others without the agitator. They probably were not able to replicate or replace it because it's still held in the construction frame thing.

@@ALLMINDmercenarysupportsystem The agitator was to jump start the reactor. Everything else could be fixed easily as the video showed.

The Brotherhood has a chance to win, but I would still favor the Institute in a long campaign. Keep in mind the Institute is fighting a defensive war on home territory, they know about the terrain, local pop, can very easily gather intel while Brotherhood can't, Brotherhood can't harass the Institute while the reverse is very easy and the Institute doesn't have to worry about logistics nearly as much, a tunneling operation would be quickly noticed and made top priority to harass and destroy. Secondly they have a considerable numbers advantage, they can pump out gen 1 synths that altough badly armed, in numbers are still very much a threath to even powered armored foes, the Brotherhood probably have a few hundred irrepleacable soldiers that would be taken down little by little, Institute has the courser that altough there are not many, lore-wise are arguably above paladins or at the very least their equals. And third, reinforcements are not going to be enough. Maxon must have taken a good portion of the Eastern chapter in the Prydwen and they are not going to leave DC undefended so no reinforcements from his own chapter. Any other chapters in the East Coast will be considerably smaller and not able/willing to send any meaningfull support. Western Brotherhood being at the other side of the country and still at war with NCR would never send any troops out East. Regarding local militias, the Brotherhood ain't letting "civilians" help out. They never work with the Minutemen and barely tolerate them. They hate sentient ghouls so there goes a good portion of the Commonwealth that won't ever support them. No one in the Commonwealth believe the Brotherhood is here to help the common man, from Tenpines Bluff to Diamond City. Not only do they refuse to work with them, they actively intimidate them into giving them their crops and if they become enemies with the Minutemen they are willing to raid settlers as if they were military targets, so any settlement big enough to be of any meaningful help would refuse to help out. Also the Institute can just replace leaders of communities to make sure no one supports the Brotherhood. All this said, the Institute would send wave after wave of cheap synths, whittling down their numbers slowly and after a long campaign if they are not able to get Liberty Prime moving, they would consider their losses untenable and retreat back to the Capital Wasteland.

The institute has eyes on the brotherhood. They wouldn't give them a chance to start digging anywhere near the institute.

@@ProfileName8904 multiple flaws in your argument First, you need to have a grasp of actual military tactics to even fight this long drawn defensive campaign you talk about. The Institute is comprised only of scientists; none of whom know anything about things like planning ambushes, seizing and holding defensive strongholds, rescuing POWs etc. The SRB is a very effective intelligence gathering organization, but throwing a hundred synths at every threat won't help, particularly against a heavily armored airmobile infantry. This is best observed if you let the three factions slug it out at Bunker Hill - even after all the synths teleporting in, the BoS ultimately gains the upper hand and will be the one faction that almost got to the synth escapees. Only reason they don't is because the Courser sent with you has Plot Immunity till the very end where only you can eliminate him. Unless the defensive side is actually good at guerrilla tactics, the side with superior armor, mobility and firepower will always win. Second, although the Institute can out-produce the BoS, they cannot outmaneuver them. The reason the Institute wants the beryllium agitator in the first place is because the power draw of their Transporter is way too high. They've had to limit the number of times they use the transporter, so they don't suffer outages internally. The BoS on the other hand seem to have no shortage of fuel for all their vertibirds. In fact, this is why the Institute has had to rely on synth doppelganger infiltrators - they don't have the electricity to teleport a hundred synths at every inconvenience and nuisance they face. In a long drawn out conflict, the BoS will starve the Institute of power. Yes, Shaun could have obtained the agitator at any time - then why hadn't he already done so, before waking his parent? On the other hand, the BoS move towards Mass Fusion immediately after securing the stockpile of nukes at Sentinel Site Prescott. And anyone in power armor can just as easily acquire the agitator itself, as any synth can. As for the BoS's recruitment issues, for every Goodneighbor gang-goon or Tenpines Bluff dirt digger, there is a Covenant, Vault 81 or DC resident who shares a lot of their values. Given the armor and firepower the average Knight has, the BoS may not need to recruit everyone in Boston - they can get by with recruiting just enough people.

@@mal1362 Who says they have to? They could start digging miles outside of the Commonwealth. We know that the Institute had the Commonwealth pretty much on lockdown but their reach outside the Commonwealth seems virtually non-existent.

​​@@manofwarbAltough you are correct, the Institute has no military commanders and will be less effective, they don't need to know how to hold a fortress or rescue POV's because they don't need to. The Institute doesn't need to hold any positions on the outside, if they need something they simply go outside to take it and come back, where the Brotherhood can't touch them and will not bother to rescue synths. While they don't have any effective military grasp, both the coursers and Kellog have at least basic knowledge on tactics to know they can't just throw everything they have at a fortified position like the airport, and probably know how to set up ambushes. You are also right on the energy issues and so the Institute can't deploy 100 synths at once. Still, they are able to deploy at least a few dozen in a short time, including coursers, see Defend the Castle. As I said, they might not have great military minds but they know not to attack the airport or police station even when there is no Kellog on the real game story. Couple that with the eyes they have on the surface, they will spot any Brotherhood forces out on the field very efficiently and attack them. It will cost them dearly, but losing an entire squad of gen 1 synths is worth it if they kill even a single Knight or Paladin. Even if the Brotherhood occupied the ruins of the CIT, they still have no way to directly harass the Institute without Prime. And the Brotherhood won't gather much support, even if they started recruiting they won't give the average wastelander the training or equipment of a Knight right away. Covenant is a small settlement, Vault 81 is full of cowards who fear the outside and DC citizens dislike the Brotherhood and is puppeted by the Institute, there is no way they can recruit enough people to make a difference even if they tried. Regarding the agitator, Bethesda needed to have a plot and just made the Institute forget to grab it up until the Brotherhood occupied the building even though they had been planning to upgrade their reactor for years apparently, because all those years they could have just grabbed it, partly why I dislike talking about Fallout 4. Regardless, with Kellog on their side there is little stopping the Institute from sending him or a Courser and just grabbing it while the Brotherhood is distracted with a simple diversion from gen 1 synths, a plan that does not require brilliant tacticians. Only way Brotherhood can win is if they build Liberty Prime, ultimately the war is decided on who controls the agitator and if the Institute has it, it becomes a matter of time before they retreat back to Capital Wasteland.

What makes you think you can reform it?

@@mrdr0161 in the institute ending, you become its leader, and there are already members of the faction who see synths as people. Father had a lot of power to set policies and culture. You will too.

@@PatGunn and you think the Directorate will just accept the changes you make? They have access to the Institutes entire systems. You don't know how run them. They do. They are trusted and valued members of the Institute. You are not.

@@mrdr0161 Father created a number of the bad policies. Leadership means the power to shape. It's weirdly more centralized than the other factions and should be way easier to fix than the BOS. It also helps that at the end of the day most academes are more interested in their research than in policy.

The Institute have the advantage of being able to surprise attack. You know when you're about to be attacked the BOS. You can hear and see the vertibirds and the airships and the power armour. The Institute can just teleport directly into your base with no warning. And synths will never run out. If you kill one wave of BOS soldiers, you should be fine. But if you kill one wave of synths, they'll just teleport more in.

Theory?

I don't think so, Nick who is a less evolved version of the gen 2 synths tells us he can go with us to the glowing sea without any issues. I think Virgil counted on the fact that nobody knew he had mutated and so nobody would think he could survive in the glowing sea. Had he been still human it would have been a death sentence. Also nobody lives there so there are no witnesses to give away the fact that Virgil is there. Well of course there are the crazy atom worshipers but not a lot of raider camps and settlements.

They knew was a synth. She came to them for help like every synth, but instead of having her memory wiped, she chose to join them. The institute aren't even aware of her being a synth because if they did, they wouldn't have you kill her. They would've recalled her. And if she was a spy, she would've helped you kill the railroad

Non canon though but the enclave are in fallout 4 now officially

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I believed in their goals but could never endorse their fascistic methodology in which the very people they claim to care about are viewed as completely expendable.

Yeah bro your logic makes no sense so... All three outcomes where the institute looses is because nate or Nora never wake up or die , so if they never leave the vault the institute automatically wins? What kind of leap or broken logic is that? If 3 depend on nate then so dose the other , if nate dosent back the institute then they will loose , but here's the thing like I already said , the bos finds the institute without nates help and they don't need nate to get in , in fact without him they would just keep nuking till it was gone , three more of those football throws from liberty prime and it's game over for everyone inside

Agreed, it was a lame excuse and realistically they wanted someone that was easy to control and brainwash. had they taken an adult he could have revolted against the experiments or the goals of the institute.

Shawn getting cancer could be totally unrelated? He wasn’t facing the blast when the bomb went off, the spouse shielded them.

@@flyingsquirrell6953 So that's not how radiation works, flesh doesn't block it, having your back turned doesn't block it. Now of course you're right Shawn might not have gotten cancer due to radiation exposure. It might be just bad luck or whatever the institute did to him when they used him to create the synths. However this doesn't remove the fact that Shawn was just as irradiated as the other people frozen in vault 111 and I would say that him being an infant would have made him more fragile and more likely to have alterations in his DNA due to it. So if they could use Shawn they could just as well have used any other person there. That's why you are the backup even though they pretend you were more irradiated. If that was the case there would have been no backup. But you are close genetically to Shawn and are no more irradiated so if he dies they can use you to keep going without needing to start from scratch. Probably they hoped to have both you and your husband/wife as backups but the one holding Shawn resisting made it impossible.

@@flyingsquirrell6953 Good thing flesh stops radiation. 🤣😉