Inverting is an important tool for guard retention and various forms of offense. Is it something that should be avoided? Instructionals and more: lachlangiles.net
Would really love to see more of this stuff doc. Eg: does jiu jitsu lead to neck injury, how to prevent wearing out vertebrae, how to strengthen neck safely etc. Great video hope to make it over to Melbourne once this is over.
Wim deputter has some great videos on maintaining healthy spine when facing pressure passing. Really interesting views on doing the triangle, spider guard, using his concept of ‘rock bottom’. He also says stack passing and baiting triangles is his favorite. His mirror principle’s also cool.
My lower back has been constantly hurting after rolls, sometimes to a point where I can barely stand straight. I need this video so badly. Thank you, this video really helped. Will work my hamstring flexibility to prevent any further injuries.
Buddy, I'd get an X-Ray/MRI for your lower back to see if you've developed a disc problem. Your issue sounds far more serious than your average strain from hard rolls. I know bcz a lot of the blackbelts that I know developed disc problems that went undiagnosed for a long time. Best of luck.
@@anonymousreviewer169 woah.. I didn't think it will get that serious. It usually only happens when I get stacked or play inverts. Will definitely go check it out if it persist. Thanks for the advice man, really appreciate it.
I did a lot of inverting as blubelt in my 20s Not long into my inverted journey i started to develope lower backpain. I quit inverting and took a few years to get rid of the pain with rehab.
Coincidentally very relevant to me. The lockdown had me wanting to get back to BJJ again. I have really tight hamstrings but this motion is needed for granby rolls and some ashi entries. Getting the hamstrings to BJJ working levels is the toughest challenge for me to coming back.
What a lovely analysis! Excellent. The position you are in we call the "modified plough" (in the Yoga plough, as you know, the legs AND the spine are straight so all the bending is happening at C7); we let everything bend, as you do and for the same reasons: you can control the stretch with your feet). A progression for your fans (assuming they are not as loose as you) to get the required suppleness in the whole back line is achieved by resting the feet on a box or something about a foot high - that way there's no strain on the hamstrings or the lower back or the neck and, by bending more at the knees you can control the depth of the end position perfectly. We also recommend all sorts of small movements laterally and further into flexion but under control to make sure that all the spine becomes supple enough to do what you need it to do. And once the feet are on the floor comfortably, then you can walk the feet left or right behind you and introduce a small rotation dimension which will be felt in the lower back and on the side of the neck as well.
It seems like unnatural body position that has high risk due to a person stacking and applying pressure. The back/discs is very vulnerable to pressure reason why lots of grapplers have issues.
I actually injured my upper back being stacked while inverting. 4 or 5 throracic vertebrae cracked in an evil version of chiropractice. But i didnt suffer any real damage, just a sore upper back and frozen shoulders for 2 or 3 days.
What if somebody HUGE SPRAWLS at just the right (or wrong) moment whilst you're inverting? How much of injury avoidance depends on your opponent's choices rather than your own technique? Inverting seems to expose vulnerabilities in the spine that could get ugly if your opponent is big & clumsy.
@@samhangster It will give you pain for about a month or two at most. My friend got lucky and his rib healed back just fine but with me, things reconnected the wrong way and the rib still flares out a little. Go to your doctor anyway but with me they weren't much help they tried to put me on anti inflammatories and painkillers
Good points... I always have lower back and neck problems... have to stretch more. I remember your stretching video... not sure if it was in youtube or 50/50 video, but it has helped me with inverting better. I think it was you with some woman.
What hamstring stretches would you recommend and how often would you recommend doing them (daily, 4 times a week, etc)? I have super tight hamstrings and I've done some stretches in the past but was likely going to intense as my lower back started aching for days afterwards. Great video and always great content brother 👍
i just learned i shouldnt be inverting yet although i ve been doing it for a year now. i think the only reason i didnt get injured is my big fat tummy taking the pressure.
im 5'8" 220lbs, inverting for me is rather problematic for obvious reasons. im just not very flexible, part of the reason why i dont play guard much at all.
I did invert in regular floor in my home and got a neck vertebrae protrusion from it (and doing pull ups that evening). I don't think this'll happen to most other people though. EDIT: and all that because i'm unflexable af :(
Ima answer this before even watching the video. I will say no, simply because ever since I started inverting my back has been feeling better like crazy!
I have pretty decent hamstring mobility (can touch toes and balls of feet on fully straightened legs), but inverting feels super precarious to me. I am in the situation where zero additional ROM in my neck. Structurally, I have a longer torso and shorter legs so I wonder if due to the proportions of my body inverting is just not for me.
My hamstring flexibility has always been abysmal, can't even touch my toes without bending my knee, yet i can put my foot behind my head. Would love to know of a routine that can help.
while this isn't a program. i would suggest laying flat on your back and one leg down flat, then using a belt wrapped around one foot keep that leg straight and pull it up. this will prevent you from being able to bend your back at all, focusing all the stretch on your hamstring
Tl;DR: Try to get your hamstrings as flexible as possible via stretching to take potential pressure off your neck and back; by being flexible in that way, it will become quite safe to invert without risk of injury.
i just learned i shouldnt be inverting yet although i ve been doing it for a year now. i think the only reason i didnt get injured is my big fat stomach taking the pressure.
Plenty of powerlifters who can do the splits both ways. Lookup Jujimufu as an example of a decent powerlifter with flexibility. It is just much harder to achieve when you squat and deadlift heavy, but very much doable.
Do these things every day not beyond your movement abillity and i guarantee you 100% that ull get the same result. Some ppl just get it later. Be it after 1y 5y 10y ull get it eventually. Our neck cannot withstand this kind of pressure. Its not made for that
The invert is terrible for you, no matter how it's done. TBH, you don't need to be good at the invert. You can still be good at Jiu-Jitsu without it period.