Och that is an English thing. As a Scot we have zero issue with the French, the English can't stand the notion that another ethnic group has more cultural weight than them in some theatre of human performance, hence the Iron Lady and her planet sized ego
@@NothingHumanisAlientoMe you speak for Scotland do you. For all you know the rest of us hate the French. Or at least have nothing warm to say about them. I suppose their conduct during world war 2 made us look better.
This is the scariest part of the movie. I swear god i hold my breath when she lashes out on everybody. If you work in bureaucracy, nothing is scarier than an angry superior.
-- If my memory serves me well, didn't Mrs T go to Paris for discussions about The Common Market, & return to find herself out of a job? Just saying.........😂
Back in the old days, of the 'old boys' network,' sloppy work was entirely acceptable. I guess the entire cabinet felt like they were back in school, with an angry teacher telling them they hadn't done their homework, which of course they hadn't.
You can't make this comment without supplying evidence that Thatcher actually used the word, 'faggots', in the sense of a pejorative of homosexual men. And, excuse me, but at the age of nine in a time when 'pouf' and 'nancy-boy' were current argot In Britain, how would you know yet even conceptualise the meaning of the word? Retrospective nonsense. Robert.
@@janet53589 yes I defo agree with you. She did seem to be behaving erratically at the end of her tenure. Otherwise, she’s missed. She lead with Iron confidence and determination to improve and restart this little island.
@@janet53589 Margaret Thatcher? Great? Mate what the fuck are you on and where can i get it. The only people who love Thatcher are the radical right-wingers.
@@vena6481 Love how extreme left wingers alway get shouty and use naughty language to convey their point. Lizzy darling, I was referring to Meryl’s acting. Take a tablet or do some Yoga sweetheart. x
Someone once asked her why she's so good at accents and she simply replied:"I listen". I like copying accents and when people used to tell me it's a talent, I would think: It's not. I just pay attention to how someone pronounces their words and I mimick it. Anyone can do it, if they'd just listen and not worry about how foreign or weird or difficult it sounds.
@@albustran4855 I agree with you on the 'practice' part. Not the talent. Mimicking is a physical thing. You use your ears to listen. Your eyes to watch and memorize mannerisms, your voice, tongue placement, etc. I don't see it as innate talent or a gift. It appears to come easy to me because I did it a lot. Because I have always liked it. Practice makes perfect. Just as I am typing this, I remember being very young-maybe 5 or 6. It was before I switched schools. Anyway; I was in the Dutch equivalent of 1st year elementary school. I realised for the first time that different people had different ways of pronouncing the letter 'r'. And different voices! Completely insignificant to most but, I was obsessed! I wanted to be able to make the same sounds! i'd be sitting in my room going; 'rrrr-rrr', trying to figure out what my tongue needed to do to produce a 'hard' r or a soft one. Rocking back and forth in concentration. But I did it for pure fun: it didn't feel like something I 'work' at-eventhough I was working at it. Every child is a 'natural mimic' it's how they learn. Speaking is a learned skill- not something you are born with-such as the ability to run faster than the average human or growing tall: you have no control over that. But you do have with the ability to mimic. I just did what i liked doing and got good at it. It looks like a natural talent but it's not. It's a skill.Like driving a car. For someone who wasn't as obsessed as I was but wants to do the same: it will be hard work. But it's the same work I put into it...for me it was playtime-not work .It's that old adage "When you find a way to do what you love; you won't ever have to work hard again." So when people ask 'But HOW do you do that?', I boil it down to it's bare bones. I hate it when people then say:'oh. .you're just trying to make it look easy when you know it's a gift.' Screw that: i listen and i worked at it. Always have and THAT is why it looks easy. You can achieve the same by working just as much at it. it will feel like hard work. But it's the same work I put into it. Ergo: anyone can do it. Someone who cartwheels every day will be good at it. Make it look easy. someone who cartwheeled, once in their life; will make it look hard. But it's the same skill. Not a special talent.
Anthony Head did a great job as Geoffrey Howe. The obvious discomfort he's able to portray without saying very much at all is almost palpable. Thatcher was a bully and seemed to get her jollies from humiliating people.
@@degviela if you are a politician or a leader in any kind of capacity(work/parenting/teaching) this is not the way to go about it. Dictators and bullies would. And she spoke no truths: she condemned those people on the basis of her assumptions without asking for feedback on proposals and then admonished one for a spellingmistake and questioning his wellbeing in front of his peers. That's bullying. Just like how Trump questioned anyone's wellbeing when they opposed him. The same people you stepped on on your way up are the same people you meet when you go down.In the end; karma bit her in the ass. They all turned against her. Her own party . True leaders don't scold their underlings; they inspire. Ignorant people see it as 'cool' and something that 'slays'. I call it rude and beneath her station.
Irony is that the scene is alluding to possible early dementia as Thatcher suggests there’s two Ts in poverty or at the very least it’s showing how her arrogance and ‘hand bagging’ technique lead her to fall from power.
0:20 - John Major portrayed as the only cabinet member brave enough to talk back - a clever nod to the man who would eventually replace her. So many of the cabinet likenesses are spot on.
Regardless of what one might think of Major's policies and his achievements as PM, his rise to the top from the situation he was born into was even more spectacular than Thatcher's.
+raxotube -- it IS poverty! This is a sad scene-- a room full of gentlemen trying to humour this Crazy as they realise what everyone else already knew! To quote our current PM --- REMIND you of anyone?'
Meryl is fantastic! There is a slight error in this scene though when she says "European Union" when it was the European Community until 1992, then the European Union.
It was called the "European Economic Community' then the "European Community" which later evolved into "European Union." I guess they had given up on economics by then.
@Mario actually, it was never about economics - it was always about maintaining peace in Europe (by linking European economies so inextricably that the member states were deterred from going to war with eachother). I suspect you're yet another ignorant Brexiteer who hasn't grasped this concept and foolishly thinks it's been about money all these years🤣
Mario lol yes it gives me hope for a decent world since the usa is a trashcan of filth whereas the eu is the only body on earth who actually tries at least to be democratic
It did and it didn't. The reason the wets got rid of her was because she was blocking what would become the Maastricht Treaty, i.e. further European integration. The Poll Tax was just an excuse. Hilariously the people who got rid of her (Hestletine, Major, Clarke) are well and truly screwed now - their life's work has gone up in smoke. They're so arrogant they didn't listen to the warnings.
Good leaders are admired by their subordinates. Fear can be the means to power and loyalty, as can threats of force. But this is nor the way to inspire people and bring out their best. And it makes you vulnerable by being isolated a the same top, where they can overpower you. Fear of plots and conspiracies.
Magical. I can't think of any other word to describe this scene. It's a gargantuan understatement to say she earned every ounce of praise for this movie.
Quite the most remarkable performance. Every feature and nuance of Margaret Thatcher's character is captured and expressed with consummate skill and precision. Meryl Streep demonstrates with extradinary depth and insight, how Margaret Thatcher dominated her cabinet with an inner strength and determination never equaled since.
Margaret Thatcher is not a legend. She’s a vile monster who deprived the poor of what little they had and her funeral might be one of the few where the 21 gun salute is aimed at the coffin
Maryl Streep, Like Daniel Day Lewis, is a rare breed of actor that evolves into the characters they protray: Method Actors. The ability to completely immerse yourself into the role, to become all but the last shred of the real person is a skill many actors try to grab at but miss short of. Streep isnt my favorite actor, but she is amazing when she becomes so similar to the real life persona that she becomes that person.
This is my favorite scene in this movie, with Meryl Streep doing her flawless, strong performance of Margaret Thatcher. I admire them both. I agree this scene alone won Meryl Streep her Oscar, and it depicts the utter strength of character of Margaret Thatcher as prime minister.
Her sugar daddy Harvey Weinstein bought her the Oscar. Tina Fey did a better Sarah Palin. Close-ups, accents, and a good makeup job is what this film is, at Thatcher's expense no doubt. At least Fey was invested beyond the tools she uses. It's like she is finding tactics rather than going with one and being consistent.
When I want your opinion on my opinion, I will have Meryl Streep deliver the request to you in person; until that happens, keep your arrogant and jaded critiques to yourself.
Open forum or not: mine was positive; yours reeks of professional envy, petty jealousy and sour grapes. I can take it, buster, and you better be able to take the backlash when you open your smart-aleck mouth and attack someone else's thoughts that don't quite groove with your own. Now fuck off!
Good fucking god...! You have done this all the way down through all the comments written on this. You are a sick, malicious and pitiable person if you have nothing better to do than bash Meryl Streep (whom you will NEVER be, no matter how much trash you throw at her with your lame negative comments, spewing out of you like bile from some inert bitterness inside you that you cannot contain because your hate and jealousy of this marvelous actress is about to make your head explode). You cannot "act" like a decent human being on this website....how the hell do you expect they will EVER
I admired Meryl Streep before but after seeing this perfromance became a fan. She was truly remarkable in this..brilliant I would say. Especially as the old Thatcher, I couldn't even see any meryl in there. She deserved every award out there for this perfprmance
"I haven't seen that." I'm using that tone and facial/eye expression all the time now. More importantly and seriously, that "concessions"/"yeah, some of you" head roll is perfect.
@@janet53589 this isn't propoganda, she really was like this and this really happened. One of the two reasons Geffory Howe resigned, the other being her "No! No! No!" on Eueopean integration.
Of course they do. But people aren't poor because all of them are lazy. Her own policies CAUSED layoffs, stagnant wages, and economic hardship. We see these same policies today, as the the rich get massive tax cuts while, with the results being cuts to essential government services, and the middle class squeezed even more. Then they blame immigrants, because why not?
Her mastery of accents is incredible. The only criticism I have is that I would like to see her do more challenging roles and independent films. Nevertheless, she ranks as one of the finest actors of her generation.
Seeing Meryl Streep acting is always a pleasure, but The Crown and the The Iron Lady movie have completely different approaches. The Iron Lady is a more intimate portrait of Thatcher (specially in her ageing). The Crown is focused mainly in the royal family's issues with political and social issues appearing in the sideshow.
There was a movie shown by the BBC years ago called "Young Margaret" about how Mrs. Thatcher charmed the old school old boys in the Conservative Party as she was trying to move up the ranks. This movie captures her angry side, but she was far more complex than that. Pres. Mitterand of France said of her "She has the eyes of Caligula but the mouth of Marilyn Monroe." Caligula was a cruel and brutal man, but Marilyn...well, she could be very charming. Margaret could be very persuasive in the overwhelmingly male world in which she had to operate. The anger came out more toward the end when the old boys turned against her. Margaret thought it was terribly unfair. She had not lost an election, but the way a parliamentary system works is that if enough people in the leadership of your party turn against you they can overthrow you. She could persuade millions of British voters that her vision for Britain was superior to that of Labor's, but a handful of old boys could put her out of a job.
She could have persuaded, but did she? In a parliamentary system, we vote for local representatives, not a party or a president, though we are usually aware who the party leaders are and the mass media talk about them almost exclusively. She was booted out by members of her parliamentary party who thought she would lose them the next election. They were probably right. Her successor managed to win the next election.
Reminds me of that tough English teacher I had in high school. Going over my latest essay. "You're wording is SLOPPY!" "You misspelled this word! "You're grammar is awful!" "You aren't in primary school anymore!" One thing, though---I made sure my next essay was much better.
i think it was at this point that the end was near for the iron lady. because it was this scene in real life that lead to sir Geoffrey Howe resigning and eventually giving a speech in the house of commons saying how hard she had become to work which led to the leadership contest between her and hesiltine
Reminds me of the spitting image scene of maggie and the cabinet in a restaurant when the waiter is taking the order says “what about the vegetables “ maggie replies “they will have the same as me “ 😂😂😂
haha, I remember watching that bit in the cinema, ironically few years later I dreamt of her( the real Thatcher) telling me off and telling me to organise my life & ideas :) she had already passed away by then.
How could she not eat this role UP!? Thatcher was ahead of her time, and one of those historical figures you have to respect in hindsight since she was so hard to swallow at the time.
@@mrzoltanonwinter2218 It's still an extremely dumb policy. A multi millionaire will, numbers wise, have a much greater disposable income even if there's a much higher tax than a cashier working at a supermarket for 1-2k£ monthly. If both of those paid 20% of their income to the government, one would obviously keep a much larger amount of his money. Mathematically and logically speaking, this policy benefits the rich significantly and disenfranchises the poor.
@@mrzoltanonwinter2218 Found the child who doesn't understand how money works. Tell me, in this example, who's 10% of income paid in tax is more important to their survival? The guy who makes $1000 a month and pays $100 in tax or the guy who makes $10,000 a month and pays $1,000 in tax? Or perhaps the guy who makes $100,000 a month and pays $10,000 in tax? Who's really paying more? The same percentage has disproportionate effects on the payee. This is why there is a progressive tax bracket system. Of course, you'd know that if you'd ever actually thought about it for more than a minute. Or decided not to parrot what Mommy and Daddy taught you.
The scary thing is that some people watch this and actually agree with her. The only correct reaction is the same reaction that her cabinet had: this woman is a monster.
The Iron lady, The devil wears Prada and Out of Africa are my favorite Meryl- Movies! She's good in each movie she shots, but in those three she's simply brilliant!
I was at college when THATCHER crippled me by forcing me to pay council tax despite not working as in FULL TIME studies! meanwhile Lord Montague paid less poll tax than I was being asked to pay!
But then it replaced a system of rates where a single, (often eldery person, e.g. my gran) paid as much for local services as the whole family of 5 next door, do you feel that was better?
@@sinistregoth Rates are calculated on property value, so I'm guessing your gran would have been in a place that was big enough for a family of 5 if the house next door was paying the same. Part of the rational for the system being like it this is to discourage people from taking up huge houses in retirement.
She might look menacing in this scene but it's actually a grotesque display of insecurity. Deep down, she knows that her policy does not have popular support of her own subordinate, so she compensates this growing weakness by amplifying her show of strength. This would be relatively acceptable in a Presidential system where the President cannot be impeached by his own executive cabinet, but in a Parliamentarian system, forcing your way through problems without coalition building is the shortest way of being dragged down by your own allies.
4:03 notice the deep despair of snapping at her cabinet. Utter despair. That was thatcher man. Despite the elixir she was trying to provide with tough love, as a mom, thatcher just adored her boys. Only streep could give this kind of performance texture like that. My favorite streep performance next to when she played like 3 characters in one freaking scene. I cant remember what movie that was but she was unreal good. 😂
Do we know how they filmed those scenes of her walking at the beginning? She isn’t moving up and down like you would walking normally, she appears to be gliding forward as if on wheels or something. Really cool effect.
Most probably she was standing on a trolley of some kind that was pulled while the other actors around her were walking. Similar to a scene in the second Hobbit movie where Bilbo is getting "enchanted" in the forest they are travelling through. The behind the scenes footage spent some time on explaining how they did it there, although not much of it is in the movie, as far as I can remember.
