The Jack Ruby Trial: A Panel Discussion 

Why did they allow Cyril Wecht, Wesley Buell Frazier and Dr McClelland then?

@Autodidact 1965 Why did museum officials allow those guys to do what on which occasions?

@@davidhenschel1990 To speak and spout the conspiracy narrative.

That's a good thing. Rush To Judgment was written by Mark Lane. Mark was hated by the Kennedys because they said he tried to make money off a conspiracy that didn't exist. In fact, Jim Jones from Jonestown hired Mark Lane in 1978 to make up a conspiracy.

@@televisionarchivestudios1130 Well Rush To Judgement alone convinced more Americans that The Warren Report had more big holes in it than all The Swiss Cheese in The Big Apple.

That rubbed me the wrong way too.

I could bet everyone there was, and still is, overjoyed that JFK was killed.

@@johnnylightning203 Dallas could care less for JFK in those days. Thats why Johnson was on the ticket, to help him carry Texas

@johnnyBliitklan - how much do ya got to lose

@@jb-vb8un More than you got

I think that is because "they" dont see the assassination as for what it was - a coup de etat of the government of the most powerful nation on earth by powers that some will argue have been in control ever since.

@@julianciahaconsulting8663 You can say that again. There are people who think every conspiracy is just a theory, and just want to believe Gerald Ford who said: - I asked Mr. Ruby if he had any connections to the Mafia, and he said 'no'.

@@julianciahaconsulting8663 you can As an Excuse a

From JFK to 9/11, Everything's a Rich Man's Trick! Yet most just don't get it.

@@alwagner9722 Alices in Don't Wonder Land

Addressing the entire world on live TV, does Oswald go berserk, desperately jumping up and down, waving his arms and tearfully screaming his innocence? No. Does he express one iota of horror or sympathy for the victims? No. Does he beg protection for his family, hence making them untouchable? No. Does he make the slightest attempt to spill what he knows or suspects about a conspiracy, thus making himself untouchable? No. Does he restrict himself to rather passively rambling about generic "legal assistance" and complain the cop he tried to shoot had the nerve to hit him while disarming him? Yes.

@@aaronz7056 disinformation agent

@@GOOCHIElicker You will explain your comment, yes?

Thats all for the cameras

@@randyharris3175 Oswald, of course, just kept asking his family and the President of the Dallas Bar Association for the services of John Abt, who specialized in left-wing causes. Oswald assured him he wasn't asking for other legal rep unless he couldn't get Abt.

Same guy watches Ruby approach with a gun in his atretched arm and DOES NOTHING?! He just stares at Ruby and waits for Ruby to fire.

It was preplanned, Jim Levellel was to dress in a light colored suite & light hat. He was to appear at the window of the jail where he could be seen by Ruby from the Western Union office. Ruby would then walk to a private entrances used only by cops to be let in by the cops, LHO's transfer was delayed on purpose by claiming a postal inspector wanted to question him about the mail order gun purchase. If you watch the clip the police detective dressed in the light suit on seeing Ruby in place moves to his right fully exposing LHO for the kill shot. The final plan was to overturn Ruby's guilty verdict & have him killed before the retrial. Ruby though witnessed by millions killing LHO in cold blood would die an innocent man, yet LHO whom nobody had seen kill J D. Tippet or JFK & would have been found "not guilty" had he stood trial, is named as the assassin of JFK on a plaque in Dealey Plaza. The real criminals who planned, executed & covered up the coup-d 'etat will never be brought to justice & America will live in infamy.

@@manishagangawala3921 Ruby committed murder, no? How was he an innocent man?

What a coincidence Haa !!!! , he was interviewed and asked why did he wear the white suit , just look at the pic at the moment ruby shot Oswald. The strippers at ruby's dance club all said Oswald was in that night club many times just before the assassination. I have seen pic of both of them on these documentaries. There is a pic of both them at a round table with some other people. Ruby lied when he stated that he never say Oswald. All the people that said so died. statement

Wow. You are REALLY grasping at straws.

a glad-hander and club owner met and knew a lot of people including about half the Dallas PD who visited his club. As a strip club, of course there are going to be mob figures that go there, so are construction workers and plumbers. There is no documentation that any mob figure or policeman plotted with Ruby. The FBI had Marcello's hideout bugged from '58 to '65 and never once picked up anything about Ruby, who was from Chicago. He was a wanna-be that the mob could care less about. The same with the KGB files released after the collapse of the USSR. The KGB didn't want anything from Oswald in Russia because the Atsugi intelligence he offered the KGB was outdated and they thought he was a nut. They knew he wasn't a CIA plant because he was a wanna-be (like Ruby) and suspected that the CIA would have used a much better quality agent. Oswald then proceeded to slash his wrist and commit suicide. Nice stable person that the CIA or mob would use in a conspiratorial murder, right?

Party, I agree with much of your rant. However, technically Ruby died NOT CONVICTED. The first trial decision was thrown out/overturned. Then as they decided on a second trial date, Ruby died. So as guilty as he was, he was never officially convicted for his crime. I loved it when the Warren Commission said Ruby had NO UNDERWORLD CONNECTIONS. He was a runner for Honest Al Capone!

@@jacksonhewittblawnox4758 "he was a runner" True .... But to turn a juvenile running messages in sealed envelopes (contents unknown to runner) at a few bucks a trick into a sinister connection with organized crime IS R******D IN THE EXTREME!

Oswald was not connected to Ruby that is absolute fact not one iota of evidence

He killed Oswald he thought he would be a hero the Jackie kennedy thing is probably overblown he probably did it as much to revenge tippets killing he felt real CV lose to the dallas police in his demented mind

yeah im not sure why the audience laughed.

That is sad. Dallas police as well as the judicial system fucked over Oswald. Oswald seem serious as well scared from the time they arrested him.

They laughed because he was making jokes and even said that what he was going to say may or may not be true.

ok well...he was actually very funny but I have no doubt he was a fine attorney, especially given how he declined to speak on areas of law outside his specialty. Clearly he knew more about criminal law than anyone in the entire building. These were the days before Miranda, as he said, and a lawyer wouldn't have much to do until after an indictment unless the accused wanted to make a deal. It would have been fine to wait a week. Oswald probably didn't expect to be charged. he would have known he wasn't the only one brought in for questioning.

@@terryjones6459 A defiant, combative, dodgy and smirking Oswald, who while in custody, told one provable lie after another, was "scared"?

Murder is a strong word. I prefer to say he meted out justice.

@@martinputt6421 The more I research this the more questions it raises. I don't think Jack Ruby was the shooter, even from behind it doesn't look like him. The body language & movement is different. One angle shows him turning to the right with the side of his head & profile & it's not him. Jack Ruby had no memory of pulling the trigger, his beloved Dallas police force told him he did.

@@WINGGULLSEAGULL I read something in a tabloid from, I'd guess, sometime in the '90s, claiming that Ruby was on LSD when he shot Oswald.

He was an Evil POS that murdered 2 people taking them away from their children. Your comment really says a lot about who you are. He murdered the President knowing he would either be put in prison, sentenced to death or killed in the act but Oswald didn't care one iota about his Daughters.

That is utter nonsense wecht he starts his presentation with a sham demonstration with Connaly placed directly in front of kennedy everybody with the least bit of knowledge knows that is not true

@@randyharris3175 Correct, Connelly was offset because that model of Lincoln had weird seats.

@@randyharris3175 I still see no way a bullet into Kennedy's upper back through the neck ends up near Connally's right arm pit and exists his breast. Kennedy was not bending over and Connally's saying they are going to kill us all. So weird they find that nearly whole bullet and with no question states it was a MAGIC bullet. It wasn't even on either Kennedy's or Connally's stretchers. It was on a boy's stretcher that came in that day. So many indiscretions ?? So many things disregarded if they are in any disagreement they are considered not reliable sources! Was it washed, why was it not bloodied? Why so announced it WAS a MAGIC Bullet that hangs in the air for a second and a half and changes course?? Magic for sure.

@@shernitadee You're joking right all this magic bullet bs has been debunked.First Connally was six inches inboard and lower on a jump seat plus Connally had turned to the right when the shot happened he was in the process of turning back when he was hit the imprint of the bulket on Connally back was almost the length of the bullet.If you're being serious I Recommend you watch 2 shows first watch beyond the magic bullet. And JFK at 40 40 stories of people who were actually there not CTs opinions like Lane Wecht and Groden almost everyone saw 3 shots same direction over my right shoulder. Paul Landis said he was 100 percent sure 3 shots came over his right shoulder He said he seen the Presidents head explode.He said one man 3 shots ca3 closed for me.There is no doubt in my mind one bullet went through both men.

@@shernitadee That's a myth about the bullet not being on Connallys stretcher WC determined the attendant was mistaken.

yep many said to him to use the top on

Plus, JFK had fired the mayor's brother

I think ruby was actually convicted on another murder or at least murdered a union official in the 30s or 40s

There were 53 piecines of evidence against Oswald every law enforcement officer in Dallas knew he was guilty as hell and it did not take very long 53 pieces of evidence can not be wrong

The video doesn’t lie he was shot from the front and his brains went towards the trunk probably the easiest way I’ll win a argument with anybody I could argue dozens of other more technical points

@@BrianSmith-yq7ys youre not going to win a argument with me or anybody else who knows the facts about this case

Randy Harris I guess if basic physics isn’t going to convince you nothing will

I will take Sanders word

whole country did.

Prior to this starting, the sixth floor museum released laughing gas in to the auditorium.

@K 2: Where Jack Ruby ate is neither a relevant nor important fact to get straight.

@3DCP Solutions :If you are looking for one who will carry the BIG CONSPIRACY LIE until his death then you have come to the right user. How can he continue to propagate these conspiracy canards in the light of all the evidence and facts which have been established? Why does he continue to believe and HOPE that, despite 58 years of dismal failure, the much imagined conspiracy still can be proved?

@@stddisclaimer8020 The US Senate and House did an investigation and came to the conclusion “There was a conspiracy”.

@@3dcpsolutions381 You seem to have dozed off during the last 43 years. To reprise the facts: The HSCA determination of "probable conspiracy" was based solely on last minute acoustical evidence (of an alleged 4th shot). But this evidence was debunked 3 years later by the National Academy of Sciences; leaving the House with no evidence, and no conspiracy (not even a 'probable' one). You should be ashamed for recycling such a long-dismissed conspiracy canard.

@@stddisclaimer8020 Do you work for a government organization? How much do they pay you? The organizations that do the tests have all been bought. The government can make anything a „fact“ if they choose to. Trump is the perfect example of this. Alternative Facts are the new norm but sadly they have been around since governments decided to use the media and so called experts to alter the truth to fit the propaganda that brings them power. This is not an American thing, it is a corrupt government thing happening in many countries. They feed on people like you and are happy that you eat whatever they serve you. Bon Appetit.

@@3dcpsolutions381 There it is again. The hackneyed charge of being some kind of gov employee, slung against those who stand by the facts. Study the method: When one has no facts on their side, just trot out the old gov employee trick. To reprise, the facts are: the Mt. Everest of incriminating evidence against Oswald, with no such evidence pointing to any other person or group. Neither you, nor anyone else can overcome that.

should we hang our heads and sob?

Oswald didn't deserve a lawyer

@@martinputt6421 why not? He was totally innocent.

Oswald REFUSED legal counsel. He wanted to be represented by a lawyer of his choice - a John Abt from New York, who represented cases involving Communists. Abt was on vacation that weekend and couldn’t be reached. Why don’t you do your homework before making senseless comments?

@@cfq.tufanuf7601 Totally innocent? he killed the greatest president the United States has ever had and I say that as a Brit. And even if JFK wasn't a great President he was still murdered.

@@martinputt6421 no he didn't, you have fallen for the biggest lie on the planet. I beg you do your homework on this and you will have a different view. There is SO much wrong its easy to say conspiracy, because it is.....

Thank you Jayson for telling it the way it is.

You are absolute nuts

It seems I read that one of Ruby's lawyers want to go for a defense that he was acting out of a sense of patriotic rage. After all, who'd sentence a man to death for killing a Communist? He may have only gotten 5 years in prison, but he died January 3, 1967, a little over 3 years after shooting Oswald, so he may not have gotten out of the joint alive, anyway.

How many epilepsy people committs murder? My neighbor is epileptic and he is the most gentle man i ever known...

Barefoot sanders has a brother, bareback sanders.

Only boring people get bored.

@@ghostdance56 🤣🤣 what a boring statement

@@stuartlee8041 - You're original too I see. lol

Did you hear Oswald say that? Did you see Oswald say that? Can you read a stenographi transcript of Oswald saying that? Or did you read that the Dallas PD said Oswald said that? Watch every piece of footage you can that shows Oswald in custody.......see if you can find 1 piece that shows him asking for ABT...I cant. I can see him asking for legal representation. I can see him saying he was denied legal representation but not once can I see him asking for ABT. Perhaps you can enlighten us

@@geoffreyjohnstone5465 Since You CAN'T provide the footage of Oswald stating that his conversation with Nichols NEVER took place, then the conversation between Nichols and Oswald INDEED took place. Until You can provide that footage I'm afraid I'm going to have to deem your comment to be Invalid. Sorry.

@@radar0412 I dont have to prove anything. You forget the law of the land (even in 1963). Oswald is presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, and at the time, to a moral certainty. All proof of things must be provided by the accuser. I can show footage of Oswald asking for someone to come forward to represent him and I can show footage of him saying during that very short and sweet interview in which I was denied legal representation but can you show me footage of him asking for ABT? If you cannot show footage of this or a stenographic record of this then all you have is hearsay. On the otherhand, I can prove conclusively he did ask for legal representation and that he said he was denied it. The burden of proof lies with the accuser as Oswald is, by law, presumed innocent

@@geoffreyjohnstone5465 And Louis Nichols is presumed to be Telling the Truth until You can prove otherwise. You've lost my friend.

@@radar0412 But lets hear or see Nichols say it. Its hearsay...how admissible is hearsay? If you want to say Nichols said something then lets see it

Can you provide your evidence to support this amazing assertion? Good stuff!

Very plausible.

It's not "good stuff" or "very plausible." It's stupid and insane. But I presume you are more than prepared to step forward and bring to the world your ironclad evidence a man was a conspirator and murderer then, yes? Or are you one of those ridiculous latter-day armchair detectives for whom the assassination is just a big parlour game where you consider yourself free to say absolutely anything, regardless of how much it might hurt people or their families, so long as you can use it to suit your own crackpot "theories?"

@@aaronz7056 Agreed, but you should realize that your rant is so unnecessary! I think it is quite obvious that there is no evidence (nor will there ever be!) to support this man’s ridiculous claim. When I exclaimed “good stuff” I was being facetious! I’ve heard this theory before and I am also tired of this bunk being filtered again and again!

The details of your account are astonishing; as you may know, the author of “Rush to Judgement” has a chapter in the book entitled “Jack Ruby: a friend of the DallasPolice Department”.

She knew no such thing. Kilgallen had exchanges with Ruby in court where he could have stepped forward and made any public statement he wanted to. Her reporting was going to be just one chapter of a much larger book on trials she had covered that she wasn't planning on publishing for months, hardly an urgent expose. Likewise, if she possessed any information that was going to blow any conspiracy, she sure was in no hurry to do anything about it, nor did she ever once indicate she knew anything that might put her in danger, even appearing on her regular game show gig apparently without a care in the world. Kilgallen was hardly less high-profile a person than Kennedy himself; "rubbing her out" would be another murder, requiring more murderers, dragging in more witnesses, more publicity, more investigation and presumably requiring that the conspiracy approaches and recruits the NYPD and its Medical Examiner and persuading them to make themselves accessories to murder. Oh, and oddly enough, nobody ever killed Ruby, or his attorneys, etc.

@@aaronz7056 Dorothy interviews Ruby twice. The only person that spent that much time with him. She was the most respected journalist in the US. When they found her body. She was In a bedroom she never slept in, she was sitting perfectly upright in a bed, she was in cloths that were not hers(according to family) Her hair and makeup were perfect. She never went to bed this way. She had enough drugs in her to kill a elephant. Is sad neo-confederate, conservative people believe the satanic lie of the Warren Commission. That's the only conspiracy theory. It's was impossible for many reasons, Oswald didn't kill JFK. The reason the US is a crumbling empire today is the results of the coup de' tat against JFK. The reason we are still talking about the assassination of JFK, RFK, MLK ect. They were a threat to the 1% ruling class. America kills its greatest political prophets. Abraham Lincoln had to murderd. That's another story. They tried to kill TR twice. The corporate oligarchs planned a coup against FDR Prescott Bush was the ring leader. Thank God General Smedley Butler exposed their plan. If you the "Z film" In 4k digitally remastered. You can clearly see the missle that hits Kennedy head, it comes from the knoll. A blindman could see this. To believe the Warren Commission conspiracy of one shooter with a cheap inaccurate gun, and a magic wifi bullet, is scientifically impossible. Two women that worked with Oswald were with him, during the full duration of the assassination. They gave sworn statements to the Dallas PD. They were never called by the WC. Warren Commission conspiracy nuts have a reprobate mind on the subject. JFK"s body never, ever should of left that hospital or the state of Texas. One thing Meatloaf said many times during his life, and on his death bed. He witnessed the secret service washing the Ford Lincoln out with a hose at Parkland. The actual Ford Lincoln JFK was murderd in immediately left Texas and was sent to the Ford River Rouge plant. My uncle worked their. He was eyewitness of the secret service over seeing the dismantling and destruction of the car. The first thing was to smash the front windshield into a million pieces. There were bullet holes in the front windshield. I Remember like it was yesterday my Uncle tell my Dad about the car. Open your heart! Not your mind! On this subject. Pride blinds you from the truth.

@@stephensdygert7600 Put more water in it next time, bud.

Aaron Z Dorothy had told several friends she was gonna blow the case open based on what she had discovered. She subsequently also expressed concern for her safety due to what she had found out

@@kevinflick8420 Yeah, if she was going to "blow the case open" she was sure in no hurry to do it. She was well known for her trademark boasting.

tram84mvp Absolutely stunning...how did you manage to make up a story so devoid of fact? I guess being your own source helps.

Oh my God come on are you dreaming

Almost everything you said is absolute bullshit

@@randyharris3175 And you are a Warren apologist who doesn't care what the facts are, it's all in John Armstrong's book but of course you don't care what the truth is because you like to spew out garbage that defends the shit the 6th floor museum puts out. Anyone defending the official story is either willfully ignorant or a complete moron

You just contradicted yourself he was seen a couple dozens times with ruby but you do not believe you knew him if he was seen with him 24times odds would be he knew him for your info Detective Lavelle worked on trying to connect Oswald to ruby girl hundreds of hours he could not do it he found a lot of people who lied about it Ruby himself said he did not know Oswald just some facts you might want to consider.

He was granted an appeal of his case based on violation of his rights I believe. So technically he was still innocent. Nothing unusual about that.

Terrible...Who's on first ? Good example of how to be a slippery lawyer.

Disinformation agent

Belli wanted to be Ruby's lawyer so he could have the book rights. He took no money to be Ruby's lawyer.

@emmgeevidoe: Your comment is an "amateur hour" post, insinuating while never giving evidence much less having proof.

@@apointofinterest8574 Evidence: “23 minute mark”. Go watch yourself and ask which part of that had anything to do with the Jack Ruby trial. I rest my case.

@@emmgeevideo Then take your "case'" to court. Remember, you'll have to pay legal fees even if you win, and more if you lose.

@@apointofinterest8574 If it isn’t a conspiracy theory, some people are never happy.

I know. It's crazy. Such BS.

Your are spot on. This 6th floor museum is chalk full of false tales. I am mystified as to why they continue this disservice. It serves no purpose. It appears to me that they conveniently allow questions that play into their misinformation. Or better yet, they don't allow any questions at all.

CNCTEMATIC :Propaganda station yes. With one exception. Dr. CYRIL WEYCT. They must have got their wires crossed, when they brought him in.

Bullshit no its not

@@donbartels153 wecht at the 6th floor got up there and put a sham demontration on having connaly sitting directly in front if kennedy when you start with a fallacy you get bullshit

If you read history, Aushot, you'll find plenty of weird twists in history. The entire slaughter of World War I began with the assassination of the Austro-Hungarian successor to the crown, Archduke Franz Ferdinand, in Sarajevo. The Serbian assassination squad had about ten members lined up on the Duke's route to the palace for a scheduled lunch. All of the assassins chickened out as the Duke passed them in an open carriage except for one guy who threw a bomb. Didn't hurt the duke but did injure bodyguards in the following car. Everyone had told Franz Ferdinand not to go to Sarajevo because it filled with angry Slavs chafing under Austrian rule. Today, security would've hustled the target out of town as soon as possible, but the archduke insisted on continuing with the lunch. He wanted to visit the wounded after the lunch, but his driver never got the word and so drove back over the same route where the bomb exploded. Gavril Princip, one of the assassins, I think just 19 years old, was sobbing in the street over his own cowardice when he was amazed to see the duke coming towards him in the open carriage and ran to it, shooting the archduke and his wife at point blank range, killing both. Was the driver part of the conspiracy? Or just an idiot who forgot about the change ini route or never got it. Was the cop who let Ruby in part of a conspiracy, or just a boob. It's Occam's razor. The simplest answer is usually the right answer. Just dumb human mistakes.

You got that wrong. He snuck in the parking garage ramp and the lone cop guarding the ramp resented the implication that he was involved

Did not happen like that

@@corn_pop6082 there was no change in route that is one of the jfk myths

@@randyharris3175 I think a side door was left unlocked. Ruby had many friends in the DPD (hell, lots of them frequented his clubs), so that explanation's quite logical. Not saying definitely that it happened, mind you, but may well have.

@davidarbuckle7236 Your reasoning is so simplistic, it belongs in pre-school. Give it up, Davie-boy. There was no conspiracy.

Of course, that is all you can offer when your entire argument is based on a Magic Bullet. The 10 things that Warren Report Apologists have no explanation for: Drum roll please... 1) Why did they move the Press Truck from the front of the Parade to the back of the Parade? (never done before) 2)Why wasn't the brain included in the Autopsy? 3) Why after 60 years, did they hold back thousands of CIA documents? 4) Why out of the 20 photographs of Oswald in Mexico City at the Russian and Cuban Embassies, is there not one single photo of the actual Oswald? 5) Why with the dozens of Witnesses who conflicted with the Warren Report, were they not included in the Warren "Investigation"? 6) Why did the "forensic Pathologists" burn their notes after the Autopsy? 7) Why were there 2 Oswald wallets in the Tippit Murder with Oswald's Identification? 8) Why did they have to tell witnesses the names of the people in the Oswald lineup? 9) Why did the original photos of the Sniper's nest include only two hulls and one unfired bullet? (taken by Officer Day and also the FBI) 10) Why are there so many bullets, bullet holes, and wounds when only 2 bullets hit their mark? I could go on and on about the minutiae of this case including dozens of witnesses, and reams of evidence, who were far more credible than any provided by the Warren Apologists, but why bother? You cannot debate them anyway. You can only offer name-calling or cite some other apologist who says there is nothing suspicious about a bullet that makes 7 wounds and looks brand new that now has, not one but 2 Secret Service agents claiming that it was they who placed it on the stretcher. Sorry, my friend, it is not the Conspiracy people who are wearing tinfoil hats. It is the Warren Report Apologists. @@stddisclaimer8020

@@davidarbuckle7236 ​ Here you excrete loaf upon loaf of long-discredited talking-crap points, digested from the debased pro-conspiracy literature (even the questions lack validity). But you have no legitimate argument. You dishonor the memory of JFK and his surviving family by trafficking in crack-brained conspiracy theories. It's time for a new hobby

@@davidarbuckle7236 You've pinched out a top-ten list of long debunked conspiracy-crap talking points; more than half of them containing gross factual errors. You've been foiled again, and your tin-foil hat needs a refit.

@@stddisclaimer8020 Your "debunked" is the rest of the world's "Inconvenient Facts".

@Doug41160 Fake reaction from Fritz? Look at your own fake comment...

Why you do not like History

Its not crap its true

@timothydrumm2846 Your comment belongs to the simpleton class of pre-school reasoning.

What does that mean? They didn't feed you the Conspiracy Fantasy you were looking for?