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Now I want an AU where Anakin sides with Mace, but tries to take over and we wind up with a reborn Palpy, the Empire, and Vader in time for A New Hope.
No wonder he somehow returned. The regret over having to deal with Anakin for the rest of your (first) life is a pathway to many abilities some would consider to be... unnatural.
@@Vladisilav Never watched the sequels but from the little I heard on the internet like to imagine in the ThesusVerse, Kylo's obsession with Darth Vadar stems from Anakin's thesis and he manages to get Rey hooked onto it as well. They explain to the reborn Palpatine how they had their wedding themed after the story of Darth Plagiueis and quote Anakin's thesis to one another every night. He then proceeds to jump off the building and to his death.
He's gonna reach the point where he starts wondering: "Is it too late to make Grievous my apprentice? Yeah, he's got that bizarre kink for lightsabers, but at least he'll never bring up that accursed thesis..."
Padme tried flirting with him, then when it didn't work (because he's an oblivious dumbass), she just engaged with him on an intellectual level, which actually worked.
*When one knows about zoroastrism, either you know it's a religion of ancient persia, or Anakin played Fate/Hollow Ataraxia...a fucking visual novel, absolute fatherless gameplay*
@@nice3333333333 And Luke fights him on the second death star to not hear his thesis, Palpatine also joins in by electrocuting Vader. Finally, luke takes off Vader's helmet to kill him, finally ridding the galaxy of Anakin's thesis
ironic... he had the power to stop Anakin from reciting his entire 2.5 hour thesis verbatim, but couldn't stop Palpytwine from asking about it in front of him...
@@cyberninjazero5659More specifically, a spot opened up on the Jedi council because one of the masters threw herself out of a window to escape Anakin's thesis.
I do not fear a man who has mastered the dark side of the Force. I fear the man who memorised and recites their two and a half hour thesis, with the interesting side tangent, vebatim.
@@ArcCaravan Mainly to Palpatine I think. Mace considers listening to Anakin's thesis to be far worse than a quick death. Palpatine probably thought Mace had a point after listening to the entire thing.
@@MCSPARTAN501 well Palpatine did age over a century just listening to his thesis, and he only had to endure it once, the entire jedi temple had to suffer through it enough times to where they banned him from ever talking about it
Secretly, Master Yoda is only three hundred years old. He’s just been cornered by Anakin multiple times and forced to listen to his working thesis while on a cocaine bender.
I love that in this version, it wasn't Anakin betraying the Jedi by saving Palpatine, but instead Windu killing himself and Palpatine looking disfigured from having to listen to Anakins thesis.
@@stooge389 No problem, of course plot summaries are regarded as secondary sources, as they are simply a transformative work of one or more primary sources. In this case it would simply be writing out the core points of a specific subplot of a primary source for ease of access.
The most tragic part of Mace's death is that the last thing he ever heard was Anakin's Thesis. I'm not even sure the scream of the rushing wind as he plummeted toward the floor miles below would have drowned it out.
Well he isn't necessarily dead. At least according to the game adaptation. Edit: Actually imagine a guitar hero style game but with Anakin's thesis instead.
The most tragic part of Mace's death is that he didn't survive to hear the conclusion of Anakin's Thesis. It wraps the whole thing up beautifully and makes an already fulfilling experience even more enriching.
I do believe he would’ve been screaming *_FUCK NO! LET THE SITH HAVE HIM!LET THE REPUBLIC FALL!_* with a little bit of mutherfuckers inserted throughout
I thought that the Zoroastrianism topic would end up leading to Anakin talking about dichotomy, but Palpatine just straight up asked for the thesis lmao.
I think that the connection between Ahrimanes and the Dark Side is pretty obvious, at least from a Jedi perspective, but I have no doubt that Dr Vader will write his habilitation about it.
@@davidwuhrer6704 Given sudden lack of anyone called Jedi, such habilitation might turn out very easy due to lack of competition for any tenure spot. Curiously, this lack of competition is long-term, includes even future primary schoolers.
So, logically speaking, this might actually be a Jedi Power. While there definitely is passion in the Thesis, and there's no mistaking that, it contains logic and consideration without an obsession with what emotions the material might invoke in their wielder. He did not avoid the material because it was controversial, he considered the actual nature of the material, found something that he considered to be relevant to an understanding of the Force as a whole, and sought to publish it after getting as much peer review as he could manage to confirm or deny the nature of his thesis, finding as many objections as he could. Or perhaps it's one of those weird 'grey' jedi powers that uses both dark and light wibbly-doos to do bizarro space magic.
Palpatine, making it law that Jedi Masters always throw themselves out of windows, seemed like setting up plausible deniability for himself, but it turned out it was actually a defense for Anikan the entire time. In both versions, it swings back to Anakin being responsible for Mace's demise. Fantastic
@@worndown8280 I've said this before, but I can't wait till we get to the original trilogy, and Vader starts telling Luke his thesis, causing him to jump/tries to convince Luke to write his own thesis "Join me as teaching assistant and doctorate student"
Since he is his son Luke might join in, remember what he is supposed to do. Go to Palpatine and then Vader saves him because he was the only one interested in his Thesis. @@cyberninjazero5659
You know, Russian oligarchs and spies and diplomats are always falling out of windows, and Mace Windu through himself out of a window. Maybe we were wrong, and all those Russian guys weren't actually being killed by being thrown out of windows by murderers who wanted to kill their target while having the plausible deniability of making it look like a suicide. Maybe Anakin is actually Russian, and he keeps reciting his thesis to all those guys, and so they just throw themselves out of windows.
Master Windu: “I can’t take it anymore! That thesis was the worst torture I’ve ever experienced! I welcome the sweet embrace of death for that reason alone!”
@@christoff124 I don't think so. Anakin died as a jedi and If mace windu became force ghost he would heard Anakin talking about his thesis for eternity. It's hell for mace
@anon1403 - The courts have already determined that Anakin cannot be held responsible for Jedi Masters flinging themselves out of windows, since they're always doing that anyway!
In this continuity, the Death Star is a giant broadcasting station with nearly unlimited range, set on spreading the message of Anakin's thesis to the masses (while jamming all other communications), whether they want it or not. The population of Alderaan, unwisely, chose to detonate their planet's Kyber crystal power plant to escape their fate. Little did they know, use of that power plant made them all latent force users, so they became force ghosts, and had to listen to the thesis - broadcasted on repeat - anyway. Palpatine believes this to be both the most evil act in history of the galaxy, and the ultimate tool for quelling rebellions. Though he himself - oddly (to Anakin) - chose to move to a heavily shielded and insulated bunker at an undisclosed location, far outside of the Galactic Core.
Truly a creation most vile, and if I remember correctly, the torture droid in the original trilogy somewhat resembled the Death Star, meaning that in this universe it could just be an audio recorder and player.
Don't worry Anakin, im sure there will be other Jedis that would love to hear your thesis. Few years later. Darth Vader: No, I AM YOUR FATHER. Oh and by the way, let me tell you about my thesis. Cut to Luke jumping down the hatch
Palpatine: “Now Skywalker, you die.” *electrocutes luke* Luke: *Dying gasp* Father. Thesis. Now Vader: Oh *excited surprise* if my son demands, then *starts talking about his new thesis* *4 hours later* Vader: Glad you enjoyed it son, wait where’s the emperor? Luke (episode 8 appearance) he threw himself down the reactor shaft. Vader: Why do you look? Luke: Like ive aged 30 years? Its fine, that happens. Thanks for saving me and bringing balance to the force dad. Vader: Balance? Like a dichotomy? Oh that reminds me Luke: NOOOOOO
1:48 At this exact moment a flock of seagulls flew over laughing maniacally and for a second I thought there was a laugh track in the video, it fit so well.
No way! Is this a deep cut reference to a 7 year old bad lip reading parody Star Wars song ?!?! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-U9t-slLl30E.htmlsi=n6NPzzurJJVh5eLL
But it was quick thinking to demand the whole thesis to save himself from Mace. Even though it was very costly and Palps probably did not expect the 25 years the interesting side tangents caused.
No, Senator, you said you would follow the career of the young Anakin with great interest, now put your silly ass in front of the life work of this overgrown padawan and suffer!
Palpatine actually tried to jump with him, but in a last ditch effort, Mace force pushed him back into the apartment. Unfortunately, Anakin had already finished the intro and was well into the 1st chapter, which is said to cause the victim, I mean the listener, to simply lose any will to do anything, leaving them immobilized as, word after word, their faces melt...
@@bernardoayres1139 XD I don't know if this was a horrible decision on Windu's part or a brilliant move in his last seconds of life. At the very least, it's a good thing he's dead, otherwise Sidious could have wrangled him in to be tried for torture or cruel and unusual punishment. I'm certain that Sidious is going to bring back capital punishment as a fitting sentence for any and all sharing of theses.
@@bernardoayres1139 Hmm... perhaps there was a quicker, less violent manner of death that could have been dealt to the Jedi? Maybe hand-held blasters or tank cannons? Ah, but replacing all of those clones will be too costly. Perhaps a cheaper alternative could be found? There's an entire galaxy full of proud, dedicated humans who would stop at nothing to serve their Emperor out of their loyalty to him and his hatred of theses.
Anakin’s thesis is either really mind melting or absolutely nonsensical to the point someone is willing to jump out a window over. Either way I need to hear the entire thing for myself
I mean it's not nonsensical, just really long and boring. From what we've seen, all of RotS could have been avoided if anyone just listened to him for one minute.
I love that palpatine is constantly trying to follow the original script no matter how insane everything else is Edit: I currently have 666 likes. The next people to leave a like on this comment Will bear the punishment of hearing Anakin's thesis.
@@Lord_Geonossis this is true but my guess is that since this is the one time he veers away from the script he bears the punishment of hearing Anakin's thesis making him fear ever breaking the script again
Interesting. It was Mace who sparked Anakin’s interest in the Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise and he met his end by the thesis Anakin wrote from that interest. This also echoes the curiously titled Sometimes We Do a Little Self Sabotage. Also Anakin’s passion for the tale and the dichotomy therein certainly allowed him to gain strength and power. The damage wrought by his thesis is truly tremendous.
@@warlordofbritanniaafaik the official explanation is that there isn’t one. Lucas wanted Yoda’s species to remain a total mystery, and iirc Disney has at the very least (for now) kept to that.
@@Marines_Memelevolentkinda. They put it forward to suggest to the audience Yodas reproduce male and female, a single offspring and said offspring having a 50+ year infant stage. Without saying it directly but it is obviously intended as the only logical explanation for Grogu's existence Add also that it took Yoda 900 years b4 having said infant so there's a lot about the species Disney is taking the liberty on so I don't give them any sort of credit in that regard. The most I can say personally is what they've added isn't terrible as far as Yodas r concerned for now
2:55 Palpatine prolly thought "I just have to survive this and I'm in the fucking clear!" only to have suffered a fate worse than death, no wonder he goes from secretive manipulator to full on bastard later
I love that at 3:20, they casually abbreviate The Tragedy Of Dark Plageus The Wise as TODPTW as if it's something everybody should know, like how BOTW is Zelda Breath of the Wild or something.
In academic writing, after you use a full phrase once, you typically abbreviate it for subsequent uses. Although they usually do this: The Tradgedy of Darth Plaguis the Wise(TODPTW)
The idea that mace would rather die and leave the Jedi order to whatever sidious is going to do instead of hearing Anikans thesis is probably the funniest part of this. 10/10 work, may we one day hear that thesis in full
0:46 Anakin will always find some way to bring up his thesis, much to Mace's frustration 😂 2:56 Palpatine's ultimate tool to turn Anakin to his side, publishing Anakin's thesis 🤣
The metatextual link between the dualism of Force worship between Jedi and Sith and the Zoroastrian dualist view of reality has been noted by many scholars. As the late Jedi Anakin Skywalker noted in his thesis, the Zoroastrians believed that reality was akin to a battlefield between a good deity, Ahura Mazda, and an evil one, Angra Manyu, popularly also known as Ahriman. Jedi Anakin pointed out that just as Zoroastrians believe both deities existed but only followed one, the Jedi and Sith both know that both the light side and dark side of the Force exist but only follow one. This practice is often called monolatrist (not to be confused with monotheist), as the Zoroastrian may believe two Gods exist but only follow and worship one of them. This dichotomy is reflected in the Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise, as Darth Plagueis seeks to preserve life but rather than turn to the light side of the Force, typically associated with nurturing, sustaining, and protecting, he turned to the dark side, typically associated with death and destruction. Turning to the dark side is a natural instinct for a Dark Lord of the Sith, as the eponymous "Dark" in his title reflected an affinity to the dark side, yet it blinded Plagueis to the possibility that power to preserve life might be better sought in the light side. Plagueis further neglected the dark side's tendency to produce self-destructive outcomes for its users and failed to consider that though he had the power to preserve the lives of others, he could not sustain his own life. "Ironic," wrote Jedi Skywalker. The irony of this is in the form of dramatic irony, for Plagueis did not know what the audience of the story knew, that the dark side leads to the destruction of its users. Jedi Skywalker is assumed to have died in the Jedi Purge the night Darth Vader appeared and destroyed the Jedi Temple. However, his thesis was further explored in Vader's own thesis on the Zoroastrian influence on Jedi and Sith philosophy, which cited Skywalker's works heavily. Ironically, despite quite possibly killing Anakin Skywalker, Darth Vader was clearly well read on Skywalker's works and in dialogue with Skywalker's themes.
Very good, but what doesn't sit right with me is that if the Dark Side tends to destroy its worshippers in ironic ways, it would run out of worshippers pretty quickly. It has to have something to offer, but almost everything we hear about it is from those who choose not to follow it, which suggests confirmation bias. And also the saw that every accusation is an admission. "He does not look behind the door who hadn't stood there himself" and all that.
One can have enemies, but still respect their views. Perspective can be gained by studying the ways of those you do not agree with. After all, we all see things from a certain point of view, and not trying to understand leads to ignorance that can create rifts between the people.
I’m just imagining that obiwan, as the master of defense and the one who taught anakin, will have a thesis far longer than his pupil could ever hope to match about the uses of the high ground in combat, with a particular lense on its risks, but also great rewards when utilized properly…
i mean, anakin's studious and thorough research wasn't developed in a vacuum. i'm sure obi-wan used the other half of his time not gaslighting his former padawan by teaching him proper diction and citation taking.
Anakin mentioed Padme was one who could criticise his works, meaning she could follow and understand them enough to see flaws. Obviously Anakin was enabled by his environment
I believe, it's explained. Something about how all Sith get their name. Master basically connect with dark side of force and let himself say name, that force choose for student. So pause is actually Palpatine listening what Anakin new name will be.
Omg 🤣🤣 When Mace yells "What the fu$% is wrong with you?!" at Palps, it just really really got me I had tears in my eyes I was laughing so hard, the timing and intensity of the response was perfect! Incredible work Seals, love it 😂😂
This man really talked about his thesis for 3 hours straight, and had the audacity to ask how long the Force would take to give him a new name. Might be time for a new thesis on social etiquette.
I like to think that at the very end of Return of the Jedi Palpatine accidentally triggers Vader to recite his thesis yet again, which he since lengthened to 3 full hours due to newfound insights, prompting Palpatine to decide this entire thing just isn't worth it anymore and jump down the reactor shaft himself. Leaving Vader confused as to why this keeps happening to him.
That would be funny to learn with the dual of the fates version: Anakin attacks obi wan because he thinks he wants to delete his thesis from Holocron word, but in reality he saved it and recorded a 5 hour critique of the 2 and 1/2 hour essay to give to Anakin as a gift to help him publish it properly.
@@cooldawg5575 Honestly, yeah that sounds like an Obi-Wan thing to do, sit down, read Anakins Thesis, then read all of the books Anakin used as sources, then re-read the Thesis, find more books about Anakin's ideology, philosophy and ideals, sit down and read a great many books about the ideology he, Obi-Wan, subscribes too and then record a 5+ hour long critique of Anakins Thesis as well as create a 2 and a half hour essay about his own ideology and ship it off to Anakin for his Birthday along with a couple of books about his, Obi-Wans, ideology so he and Anakin can discuss each others Theses and critique each others work, without Masters Yoda and Mace Window calling them 'fatherless bitches'.
@@thegrandnope7143 this really adds to the tragedy that Obi-wan really cared so much about Anakin but Anakin couldn't see it, leading to their Mustafar duel. 😢
Why do I feel like you’re actually writing out Anakin’s thesis behind the scenes and are going to one day drop a 2 1/2 hour video of him just staring at the viewer while he talks about it uninterrupted?
And the most agonizing part for the viewers will be that the video will be full of single frame written lines that are essential addendums to clarify entire sections of the thesis, thus forcing avid listeners to pause repeatedly and scroll to the exact frame to read what he said
"My...thesis?" You just know Palpatine's going to pull the whole "In your anger you killed it" card when Anakin finally becomes Vader, just to see if it works.
To be honest the Jedi Council under Yoda sounds so toxic to each other that Mace and Anakin might have one of the healthiest connections. So long as a certain thesis isn't involved.
Padme: No Anie. You can't name your child Thesis. Anakin: But Theseus is historical domain name. It's just a modificati- Padme: No. Anakin: Then- Padme: No. No Dichotomy either. Anakin: My the jedi were right about attachments...
I very much appreciate that you've given us plenty of hints as to what this Mace's fate would be. And despite *all of us* knowing what was coming, you didn't decide to do a twist for the sake of a twist. You pulled it off in a very satisfying way. Which is what I thought until I read the comments and saw just how many people didn't think he'd jump himself. 💀
Man I love this channel! I love this so much and the callbacks to that damn Plaugeuis thesis, I'm glad I subbed here this is better than what most Disney star wars makes nowadays, not like they gave us anything but disappointment...
Having cocaine bricks in the council chambers to pacify Yoda while cleaning out his needles are so smart. Also, they can be used to throw a, well, bricks!
@sealsaregood5146 dude, I didn't know you were still making these. I thought these videos were something I stumbled upon from a time long forgotten. But they are from now. The present day. Your humor is timeless. Thank you.
