The Jedi Really Screwed Anakin Skywalker 

That is definitely where this began.

You know that’s a really interesting way to look at it. I feel like I’ve had this thought before (subconsciously maybe). But, you have helped put it into a clear and concise message. I think if most people in the real world were plucked from their life and put into the Jedi Order they’d end up like Anakin. I have a feeling I would. What do you think?

Very good points there.

I think this is a good way to interpret it, but I suspect that it wasn't what Lucas intended. Lucas has said that Qui-Gon was wrong to want to train Anakin while Filoni has said that had Qui-Gon defeated Darth Maul, he would have provided Anakin the fatherly figure that Anakin needed and prevent the fall to the Dark Side hence why it's the "duel of the fates". Lucas has studied Eastern philosophy and has described himself as a "Buddhist Methodist", but his statements on the Dark Side are very much Western Christian and not Eastern in nature. He describes the Dark Side as a corruption of good and that achieving balance means purging the Dark Side, not finding balance and harmony between Yin and Yang. He also seems to believe that the right way to deal with adversity is to just suck it up. Obviously that isn't a particularly healthy way to go about things and going about it that way has adversely impacted his personal life. Of course, Lucas has changed his mind on a lot of things so even his word isn't a guarantee of what he he intended when he originally made the prequels.Thus I think we need to invoke death of the author and read what is there and not what was intended, and it's pretty clear that Anakin was not raised in a healthy environment which as you say simply isn't compatible with reality. Anakin's situation reminds me of the saying "the child that is not embraced by his village will burn it down to feel its warmth". He had all the burdens and expectations of being the Chosen One, but the very people calling him that rejected him and gave him dogmatic platitudes rather than good advice and standing by him or supporting him. And for all the talk about how fear leads to the Dark Side, it was pretty clear that the Jedi were hypocritically acting out of fear. The result is that the village very much was burned down.

Dogmatism will do that.

Except the council were dealing with someone who wasn't a Jedi and who's training would go against the Jedi code, it makes sense even if it's flawed

It's more like this: someone wants to become a therapist but is too emotionally unstable. Basically they're aware he would make a good therapist but also know it's ridiculously risky to make him a therapist

@@Jiub_SNhe was mostly unstable because of how he was treated by the order, he learns the order could have saved his mom, quigon, the nicest jedi to him, still didn’t care much for him, trying to pawn him off to another master, the masters treated him like shit, even when he put in the work, put in the hours, he was denied a seat on the council, obiwan was like a brother when he should have been a father, dude, when asohka, the padawan he trained, relized how problematic the council was, that her framing had been caused by a padawan who turned to the dark side, trained by another master that lacked the empathy and compassion to help a child, ah yes, we couldn’t fully indoctrinate this child and brainwash him, but still forced him into our cult and out of slavery, he was always going to be u stable, the council’s at fault here.

​@@Jiub_SNI agree but they took him in despite it all and should have special accidents for him I t may be unfair to all the older kids who were rejected for sure and all that but now that he was there I think preventing the chosen one from going evil is a nesscary reason to add accomodations cuz he's so darn powerful if he does go the wrong way

It's oddly appropriate to identify Obi-Won and Anakin's relationship as "brotherhood." Compare how their relationship came to be with an actual, biological sense of brotherhood, i.e., Obi-Won is padawan or "son" to Qui-Gon, then suddenly, and with relatively little understanding of how/why to Obi-Won, a new arrival comes into the picture and gets this special attention from "dad" (Qui-Gon). Obi-Won has a bit of resentment but does ultimately embrace Anakin as his "little brother." Anakin, of course, holds a similar perspective as a younger brother to his elder brother, Obi-Won. I can go on with this analogy, but I think the picture is pretty much established.

​@@GoldenArcher07I think Anakin definitely saw Kenobi as a father, while Kenobi might have just seen Anakin as a brother.

@@GoldenArcher07 That just tells me Anakin desperately wanted a father figure and latched onto anyone he saw as such. In the end though, that was Palpatine. Doesn't mean Obi Wan viewed him in the same way. If he was a father figure, he was a pretty crappy one. Pretty crappy brother too...

Honestly I think if they had freed her, Palpatine would just have her assassinated or something about the same time frame as her canon death. She was still a sure way to get to Anakin for Palpatine.

@@CorvusRedd and maybe making it look more as "because of the jedi, she was ok in Tatooine"

@@akusworld5117 Very good point lol.

@CorvusRedd The Jedi didn’t know that though. The only reason they didn’t free Anakin’s mom was because they apparently didn’t think a single slave was worth their time. The Jedi were like the robots in I, Robot, calculatedly benevolent, but lacking in any understanding of what it’s like to be a human being (or sapient alien).

@@erickpoorbaugh6728 If we free Shmi Skywalker, we have to free everyone. - The Jedi Council, probably

The jedi are the dark side imo. Self-righteuous douchebags who were all to happy to play war as long as it meant they were winning. Useful idiots, every last one. At least sith want to use the force for their benefit instead of being govt thugs.

True enough. Just imagine how he would have turned out if he had been treated super special and pampered or even if he had never been told about the prophecy at all and raised just like everyone else.

Imagine *if* the Jedi were like back in the days of Nomi Sunrider, Revan, or the Exile. As in not detached from emotions completely like they were by the time they came across Anakin. Heck, imagine *if* they were like Qui Gon or Kanan, then the whole Anakin becoming Vader could’ve been avoided.

Jesus was treated the same way during His 3 year ministry. The Jedi Council reminds me of the Pharisees/Sanhedrin. They were so legalistic and regimented Jesus would often save His harshest rebukes for them.

Well just because he is the chosen one doesn’t mean he has a sense of entitlement

Anakin should have been treated no different than any other padawan, but he also should not have been made aware that he was the chosen one. The Jedi set themselves up for failure, but they should have also taught him how to deal with his emotions. When he became an adult though, all of his faults were his own. Anakin also should have never been the padawan of newly knighted Obi Wan. He was not ready to take on that responsibility, especially for a leaner like Anakin.

You know, what you said really reminds me of something I've always said about Anakin Skywalker, how he was born not only in the wrong century but the wrong millennia for him to be in the Old Jedi Order, and that he would have done far better in the Order had he been born a thousand years or so earlier. Anakin-among other things-was a warrior at heart, and given how the Order was structured at the time-including being more militant-Anakin would have been right at home in the Jedi Order during the New Sith Wars, certainly fit in well with the Jedi Lords of the time. In the last decade of that period, I could see him being right at home in Jedi Lord Hoth's Army of Light fighting against the Brotherhood of Darkness. Had Anakin Skywalker entered the order a thousand years earlier in 1032 BBY instead of 32 BBY, he not only would have done better, he would have thrived. Sadly that was not the case, and Anakin Skywalker for all intents and purposes was born in the wrong era entirely.

@@JediMasterZim In AotC, Padme tells Anakin he is in luck, there is a rare fruit that only comes to harvest every five or seven years which brings Naboo great wealth. In the following up Clone Wars novels, that Naboo fruit as a wine per litter is worth thousands of credit on the open market. The raw fresh fruit itself is worth binding on, thousands of credits per kilogram. Some century harvest it gets so bad, they have to chase smugglers picking it by hand at night. The cartels pay out ten's of thousands of credits for a full bag load. In a novel Anakin stated it is wealth that should go to aid people, not to serve at a pirates' table. Then one guy asked Anakin what he would be doing if let on Tatooine ? Obi Wan replied, " Getting distracted by some young pretty thing, shine speeder or owner's daughter ? Turns out the Jedi tend to rub elbows with some shady people over their years of learnt investigating. 2.) As for the New Sith Wars, or something, in all three eras or what not, every Sith empire had to negotiate business contracts with the Hutts. It was the Hutts that keep the Republic .. balance .. for millennia by drawing out the most underhanded and aggressive members of each species. The short lived races run all over the place and doing a bunch of random damage. Well teenagers being young .. adults .. and such. We the Hutts like .. controlled .. damage, less random and less like to mess with long term profits in short term gains." b.) How many Sith draw from Hutt space ended up getting tired of Lord Khan Brotherhood of Darkness and went back to their old lifestyle jobs or settle down and started large families with many children and cousins. Face the facts, you have to breed soldiers from a give selection from any given gene pool, unless they did away the blood cell count test. Khan's war took such a total even the Jedi had to look/recruit young children cause if they didn't. The Sith would take them. It took centuries to rebuild populations and infrastructure. ( Side note from EU/legends the Corillian green rob Jedi, well lets just say a Lot of Jedi come from that space sector. Once a 30year old Jedi knight, many went for years or drop of the map and don't bother with temple business.) There should be a bunch of Sith cultist mixed into smuggler or pirate bands families/clans even Mandorlian tribes/clans. They just don't use lightsabers, and they are down on the low down in any use of public force abilities. You don't want to get caught cheating in cards, dice, slots, etc ... mind tricking con jobs, forget the Jedi you have the Hutts and the other cartels coming after you, and your family. There are social manners in robbing the other card players of everything they have, just like an old Western poker game. Their sites, space ports are on locations like Yoda swamp, they Live in One with the darkside natural animals life aura force fields. They blend into local surroundings. They are tired of provoking a losing damage war with the Jedi. Some end up just wanting to watch their own grandchildren grow into adulthood, in a homemade Sith shrine surround by a few dozen war buddies. Knock back beer and shots of whisky.

I concur with you completely.

@@krispalermo8133 I don't see how what any of your points has anything to do with either my comment or JediMasterZim's reply. Kind of irrelevant actually.

Palpatine also fits the mold of a groomer. Groomers intentionally seek out lonely, scared or vulnerable people in order to gain their trust for the purpose of abusing them. They want the person to be their "friend" so they can use the friendship to exploit them because of course people naturally trust thier friends.

That is an amazing analysis on it I agree , it was obvious Anakin was vulnerable and the answer isn't to ignore a person like that. I know the Jedi didn't even want him but he was their responsibility to prevent from turning to the dark side and even if he stayed good the pain and suffering her went through is plain wrong obviously and shouldnt have been let to happen

​@@englishlady9797Yes He is a perfect definition of a groomer and is a actually a great way to show a evil sith lord as taking advantage of someone who considers you a friend for your won selfish goal and that leads Anakin to be trapped alongside him once he joins the darkside. Not excusing his actions as Vader but explaining how whe got there

The Jedi Council in a nutshell.

The prequel Jedi (and particularly how they treated Anakin versus how Palpatine treated him) remind me of James 2:15-16: “If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, ‘Go in peace, be warmed and filled,’ without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that?” ‭‭ Only the Jedi don’t even say, “Be warmed and filled”-it’s more like, “Stop caring about cold and hunger and just accept that hypothermia and starvation are a part of life, you unenlightened wuss.”

Fear and caution are different. The Jedi were somewhat self aware enough to know that training anakin could be a bad idea

What are you talking about? That was all fanfiction.

@@shubhanshushrivastava3471 you're fanfiction.

That doesn't make sense Why would the dude who almost DIED to bring a broken Anakin Skywalker back to the Light suddenly call it quits and try to kill his own nephew despite the fact all he had to go on for this 'big disaster' was a bad dream? Ah who am I kidding expecting logic from a person with a profile picture of Filoni's Mary Sue OC?

@@jeremyallen5974 The Dark Side is diminished but never extinguished. To believe that Luke could never have his mind clouded by the Dark Side ever again is illogical.

@@TheRumblewagon right, and Rey getting super good with the Force in less than a month was SO MUCH BETTER Piss off

Makes it really easy to let go if you never become attached to anything in the first place.

When Yoda joined the Jedi, the Rules where different. Don't forget that he lived over 900 Years 😀

@@bonma6137 That brings up a good question that I have been thinking about this morning. When did the Jedi stop training older students? Just because they favored taking babies doesn't mean they also restricted training older children and adults at the exact same time. At what point did the Jedi order stop training older students? Was Yoda an exception? Was Yaddle an exception?

@@lyleseward8638 thats a difficult question. From what I heard on RU-vid(don't know which one anymore) the age in which people can join the Jedi stricter over a long time. Manly because to reduce the Jedi who fall to the dark side 😑

@@bonma6137 I read that the practice started with the Ruusan Reformation when the Sith supposedly became extinct. I didn't think about it until you just pointed it out though. It would make more sense that the restrictions got tougher over time. So Yoda would have been a minor exception. Yaddle a little more of an exception. Then Anakin was a big exception.

Sidious only helped.

George did state that losing so much of his body as Vader did impact his connection to the Force and abilities. I just thought that was good to add in there. But yeah, George said Anakin would have reached his full potential. And in the current modern canon, he has since he passed away and is some kind of Mortis-level spirit now

@@grawman67 so yes, I was right Anakin Skywalker‘s connection and potential in the force was not diminished or affected by the loss of his right arm, that he lost to count Dooku or the age he was found and trained everything I said it was correct and right besides, you know how powerful Anakin Skywalker was before he turned to the Darkside Darth Vader and yeah the rest you know

@@user-yc9vv9xb8s I was agreeing with you the whole time. I just think it's fascinating how his potential was hindered in George's canon. In modern canon, it was a set back but didn't decrease his abilities or potential besides making him unable to use Force Lightning. But yes, the age he was trained at and losing his right hand didn't impact his abilities or potential at all.

@@grawman67 thank you man also, one last thing you can agree with me on this that I confirmed Anakin Skywalker will always and forever have the highest and unique midi-chlorian count ever recorded in Star Wars history because you know Anakin’s birth everything of him you know I know so that needs no introduction and it was confirmed and stated by George Lucas himself

@@user-yc9vv9xb8sThe thing about George Lucas is that he contradicts himself all the time as well as changes his mind constantly. Like with Maul or his comments about Boba Fett.

“Empire Strikes Back” contradicts Obi-WAN’s statements in “A New Hope.” I think we can safely say Obi-Wan has a nebulous relationship with the truth.

@@magicaltour1 Even his girlfriend knew it.

Imagine *if* the Jedi were like back in the days of Nomi Sunrider, Revan, or the Exile. As in not detached from emotions completely like they were by the time they came across Anakin. Heck, imagine *if* they were like Qui Gon or Kanan, then the whole Anakin becoming Vader could’ve been avoided.

@whitewolf3051 That’s what Luke’s Jedi Order did in legends. That’s why it frustrates me so much that Disney has him repeatedly all of the stupidity of the prequel Jedi even though he knew from personal experience that familial attachments are more likely to do good than harm. After all, it was his love for his father that led him to try to redeem Vader, and Vader’s love for his son that caused him to change. Heck, even in the sequels, it was Luke’s lack of love for Kylo Ren that drove him to the dark side and Kylo’s love for Rey that redeemed him. Literally the only time love caused someone to fall was Anakin, who was being manipulated by a Sith Lord and brushed off by the Jedi. When Anakin needed help, Yoda offered philosophical platitudes; Palpatine offered a solution (it was a lie, but still).

​@@erickpoorbaugh6728Luke's order didn't allow attachments per se. He allowed romantic relationships, so long as they were based on unconditional acceptance.

Well, apparently in some other sources, Qui-Gonn managed to set somethingin motion leading to Owen Lars being able to buy Shmi and free her before he died, which makes some sense as more-discreet (And less of an intervention by Republic officials in Hutt-controlled space. ) In that scenario, Anakin never finding *out* about it made it still-a-problem.

In one of the novels, Padme did try. She was in her official capacity as queen, so she was forced to use one of her handmaidens to do the leg work. However, handmaiden's mission was to free slaves, with an emphasis of trying to free Shmi also. The handmaiden's efforts were handicapped by lack of knowledge of Tatooine's politics (leading her to talk with the wrong people) and over paying the market value of slaves (diminishing her resources and lowering her effectiveness). When it was all said and done, at the end of Padme's queenship, only a couple transports of slaves were freed, and Padme's handmaid had no credibility with the anti-Hutt factions and Tatooine. The intent was there, and meant well. But I think Padme would have been better off offering Watto a couple of brand new N-1 starfighters in straight trade for Shmi. Not as glamorous as freeing all slaves, but at least effective for Shmi.

Could just do a night time undercover mission, thus came thus gone, simply vanish doesnt have to be more complicated than that. Anakin's mom was a slave, slaves have no value to slavers theyre a replaceable workforce, it's not like they're going to send anyone to look for her. The real issue is the Jedi's fall into dogmatism, the Jedi order was meant to be perceiving where things we're out of balance, letting someone lose their life in the most meaningless way possible which is the life of slave because they can't do anything due to ''certain laws'' is out of balance, governments are not representatives of the Force, they represent their own interests. But the Jedi completely forgot this and they started to uphold the law more than the ways of the Force. Shmi should of been saved.

Then, ironically enough, the Jedi, Anakin and Ahsoka in particular, would help rescue Jabba the Hutt's son from a kidnapper acting on behalf of the Separatists in a plot to frame the Jedi/Republic and turn the Hutts against them. I think there's a glaring contradiction in all of this. Just thought I'd point that out to go along with what you were saying about the Hutts' and Jedi/Republic's relationship as well as how Anakin fits into it all.

“And they also claimed that that if the Jedi traveled to Tatooine to free his mother, it will alerted the Hutts one way or another.” They couldn’t just pay some spacer to buy her and bring her to them? People use intermediaries like that all the time IRL. It’s how Disney bought so much land for Disney World without the sellers knowing what was happening and raising their prices.

@@erickpoorbaugh6728 Well, they needed to be careful in case Watto resorted to gambling again like he did with Qui-Gon Jinn. A normal person without strong connection to the Force has equal chance of losing and winning in this gambling as much as Watto is.

No one cares about those. He's half robot

Yeah, because George doesn't like his characters being upstaged by others. Which is why we have Dark Empire Palpatine and his million-and-one powers he has that could have won him the Galaxy at any time but somehow forgot he had for some reason. It's also known as the Krillin problem.

@@Planag7 not Vader I mean anakin Skywalker

​@@Lobsterwithinternetpower creep is a pain

@@ttry1152 Quite. Especially when you're having to write a story that’s following up something like the Original Trilogy and you need to attract that audience to make your book profitable.

I don't think the Jedi had any actual rules against killing Sith. Obi Wan was literally promoted for killing Maul.

I was hoping more ashoka and ezra

@@ttry1152 Why? Ezra’s not going to have much impact on the sequel trilogy so whatever happens won't affect the Galaxy as a whole. And Ahsoka’s stuck in another galaxy with Sabine.

@@Lobsterwithinternet i mean they are the two jedi who have seen more than most the true nature of the force. (Ashoka on mortis and the world between worlds), (ezra world between worlds and ancient jedi temples)

Nothing its a dead branch legends was smarter

@@ttry1152 And yet had no impact on the galaxy at all since they're not mentioned or even acknowledged in the Sequel Trilogy.

What they should have done is give him his due as the chosen one.

Probably because they saw it as the total destruction of the Dark Side.

That's an interesting question!

I never will understand the hate for some of these actors in Star Wars, especially Jake Lloyd. He's a kid, playing a kid who later turns into Darth Vader, and George Lucas writes really clunky dialog. He's not going to be perfect.

No child deserves that level of hate.

Screwed Jake Lloyd, society did. 🤨😡

@@notreallymyname3736 Neither do I. It's not his fault that he had clunky dialogue to work with.

@AdultThirdCultureKid1971 exactly. On top of that, I think he actually did a really good job. I remember people complaining and saying stuff like, "That's hard to believe he's Darth Vader". Really? He's not Vader yet: he's a second grader! I was around his age at the time, and I thought his performance was relatable and believeable. Episode 1 Anakin was at the age where he wants to do fun stuff, not force choke random subordinates and maliciously blow up planets.

"Eh, sad but true." - Prince Naveen

A farfetched claim yet I cannot deny its plausability (Karax)

Anakin and Ahsoka in the end were no Jedi

And THEN proceed to do everything in their power to crush any agency and free will out of them in a desperate attempt to turn them into loyal drones who obey the whims of a Republic choking to death on its own corruption and not wise warriors in balance with the Force

It's because like how attachments can lead a Jedi to the dark side; it can also lead a sith back into the light. To a Sith attachments lead to compassion, then leads to mercy, which leads to love. All of them is a weakness in the eyes of The Sith; a weakness that must be destroyed. If Shmi survived; she would be the counterbalance to Palpatine's influence.

Remember Sith Lords are extremely selfish and would never share anything with anybody; so it's better for him that Shmi is dead than alive

Why would he..? Her death is explicitly what set Anakin on the path to the Dark Side which is what he wanted. The trauma from losing his mother is what created the fear of losing Padme. Palpatine saving Anakin's mom just screws up his plan.

@@HideyoshiKinoshita84 exactly

It was unbalanced because Sidious was trying to create life and basically act like he is in Jurassic Park. In response, Anakin was created.