To have a small sense of gaining knowledge and understanding is a profound experience. Much thanks Dr Tabor for all your studies and your sharing them with me/us in this way. Thanks to all those involved.
Faith is trusting in God especially in bad situations. That’s exactly what I’m doing. I’m still struggling to provide for my two autistic children since losing my job over declining the vaccine. I declined due to my pre existing health condition (Lupus) and Heart disease. I was denied my medical/religious exemption from Forsyth Hospital. My husband passed away three years ago, so I’m all alone. Both of my sons are non verbal so things are more difficult for me. Every month I don’t know how we are going to make it through. Every month is a struggle, a battle to not end up on the streets. I’m so embarrassed by my situation. I’ve been put down and mocked over my circumstances. It’s hard to hold my head up at times BUT because of my faith God shows up every month and provides. Even as I face homelessness with two young children. I know that God will provide. He won’t leave me. Thank you Jesus.
Jesus was not God. By putting your faith in Jesus you put faith in a man; a dead man never risen; a dead man turned bones. Reject Jesus and put your faith in God.
My sister has lupus, heart condition, liver, and many more, and has had 3 Vaccines, moderna, the stongest one. Even combined the Moderna, w shingles and another one at one visit, And yes, she was strongly subdued, but it passed and she's OK.
Trusting God, he will provide, he won't leave me... I wouldn't count on it. not even the popes get any help from God in their health. they all died also, no exception. Even Jesus the man died and suffered. And the current debate of all suffering in the world. So expecting God to... Better, in addition to medics, have an almost perfect nutrition. Heavy into fruits and veggies. And if overweight, even more. A lean body is healthier. Good luck. Haven't had my sister really commit to food as a help. She's almost morbidly obese. Won't really try. And just like my dad, medicines did nothing. The more he was into following Dr's orders, the worst he/she became. Have you seen how fat medics are?
Speaking as an RN, if you have heart disease, it is a reason to have the vaccine. It may be a secondary target of Covid but lethal none the less. Easy to find stories particularly of young one experiencing cardiomyopathy from Covid. Risk of any reaction is so low (but still could happen) that imo is well worth the risk. It’s been a couple years now of having the vaccines and they have tested out. On the other hand it’s a shame your employer doesn’t consider your situation.
Through Dr. Tabor, I’ve recently discovered James, and I found this entire lecture riveting. I can tell already, I will listen to this over and over again. Thank you, thank you! ❤
@@PatriceBoivin I’ve heard he’s done a lot of work on James. I’ve been thinking about ordering his book - I’ve read it’s the best work on James thus far. You’ve convinced me. I’m going to order it today. 😊
@@PatriceBoivin I did it! I ordered (and received) Dr. Eisenman’s book on James. It’s absolutely fascinating and I’m enjoying it so much. Thank you again for your recommendation. ❤️
I was James, my people stoned me, i reincarnated, read my parables please, 👍👍How many parables Jesus gave us? 50-60? He was bigger than Jesus. Shlomi the Messiah from Israel gave us more than 200 parables. My favorite is called 'The poor farmer and the precious wine' 🙏🙏
Love the work of Tabor and Eisenman. Their lifetimes of work I consider miraculous and inspiring…the family of Joseph and Mary deserves more inspection and serious study.
I'm a catholic I have no trouble with this. The essentials dont change God is love. We are called to love. Through whatever spiritual practice you do , you receive the spirit to help you love.
Years ago I was in Jerusalem visiting an antiquity shop, Venus gallery. While I was there, the owner introduced me to Mr. Ogden Golan. Mr. Golan asked if I thought the James ossuary was authentic? I replied if he knew of the Evangelist Oral Roberts? Mr. Golan, replied yes. I said well then Reverend Roberts saw a six-story Jesus. Which means to me the family would be much too large to fit in that small ossuary. 😮 This was during the Court trials. Later, the owner of Venus gallery stated, you know, Ogden hasn't laughed that hard in a long time...😊
A fascinating talk by James Tabor, with lots of lines to consider! I think where he departs into his own suppositions is where he re-writes the story to the effect that Jesus, his disciples and followers were preparing to take over the governance of Jerusalem and the Temple. Bart Ehrman similarly creates his own 'gospel' in which he re-writes the story to follow his own ideas, thus leaving written texts and imagining an 'alternative director's script' for which there is no written foundation. ....what makes this surprising is that while Tabor and Ehrman are more than happy to use written sources to professionally present the points they find evidence for, when it comes to their re-writing of the gospels with their alternative unspiritual version, they present no evidence from any written sources to support their suppositions. I think both Ehrman and Tabor who are both talented men, would serve their readers much better if they kept to research for which they have reasonable evidence, instead of including diversions into their own preferred 'alternative stories'. In particular the alternative stories run into problems, when they are compared with the New Testament and early historical movement of the faith in Jesus as the Messiah - they don't fit and actually create problems and questions which show inconsistencies with the faith and history. In order for their alternative 'stories' to have credence, they would need to be consistent with the written sources of the NT and early history, but that is where they fail. For instance, how does James Tabor's alternative gospel explain spiritual conversions, if the movement was really only about a future physical government taking over? How does it account for some individuals being radically converted to Christ, when they were previously of a totally different mind - Paul for instance converted to Christ turning 180 degrees from being a known persecutor of Christians, to being a follower of the Christ who he only hours earlier hated with a vengeance? How does the alternative gospel explain many people following Jesus because they were being healed, drawing crowds of 5000 and 6000 men alone, if the gospel was only about a 'future' coming of the Son of Man as the Messiah to rule over Israel? If the 'alternative gospels' of Tabor and Ehrman are the true replacement for the written gospels we actually have, then how do Tabor and Ehrman explain the growth of the actual gospel movement from the 1st to the 4th centuries, during which there was phenomenal growth, if the Messiah had not returned as per the alternative gospels tend to propose? Not least, how indeed is the faith in the resurrected Jesus leading to thousands of conversions, with over 500 reported sightings of the resurrected Jesus, to explain the proposed immediacy of a replacement government of Israel? In general, the 'earthly alternative explanations', do not fit the process of the New Testament writings contents, at all and thus such alternative gospels create an unsolvable problem. Nevertheless, Tabor presents some interesting ideas and observations from the texts.
Yes, I agree here. I remember in the debate with Jimmy Akin, both brilliant, he tries to make it seem as though Mark did not think Jesus was divine in nature. He goes on to recount the gospel with the premise that Jesus was shocked at his crucifixion, and only the Roman guard recognized that Jesus was the Son of God. Then Akin pushed back on him, saying that Jesus did not just cry out 'Why have you forsaken me' out of pain, but in quoting Psalm 22, where the narrator triumphs despair and is united with God by the end of it. At the end of the debate Ehrman admitted that he thinks Mark wrote Jesus as divine. It's strange. Good scholars, but studies show that scholars have bigger blindspots than ordinary people.
I think, and I’m surmising here because I don’t think that he actually says this, is that the early Jesus movement was following a similar path to the Essene community, where there was a belief that the Apocalypse would occur about 40 years after the death of the Founder of the movement-the Teacher of Righteousness for the Essenes, and Jesus for the Jesus movement. What Paul does is open up the possibility that the Kingdom of God is spiritual and internal, rather than physical and external. He still believes in a physical Apocalypse, I think; but the Kingdom pre-exists the Apocalypse within the believer. As for the idea that someone could not completely reverse their life and beliefs without divine intervention, that really involves ignoring nearly all of human experience. It’s not at all unusual for someone to completely reevaluate their life after a near-death experience. And whether you think Paul had a stroke, an epileptic seizure, heatstroke, or an encounter with the divine, it’s without question that he took his experience as a sign that he had to change his life completely. Why? Because it was not that long before then that his master Gamaliel literally said not to persecute Jesus’ followers because if their belief was without merit it would go away by itself, and if it was from God it would withstand their persecution *and they would find themselves opposing God*. Fast forward a bit, and Paul has a vision where God says exactly that-“Why are you opposing me?” His master and mentor planted the idea in his mind, and it blossomed when he had his (literal) Damascus Road incident. The thing that I find most interesting about what Dr. Tabor teaches is that so much of what he says is consistent with what is within the Bible, but just not as we want to interpret it today. He’s really just saying that Christianity is always adjusting and adapting to meet people where they are throughout time.
@@DneilB007 You make interesting points, but notice carefully that in doing them, you are subtlety bending the scripture to your own design. Tabor does this also. You do this by carefully omitting both the context and the details that have been written in the text, so that you are producing only the extract which supports your narrative. Ehrman does similarIy. I don't mind you having an opinion or your own narrative, as long as you are honest in stating that not all the details and the context are consistent with or agree with your ideas and that therefore there are other interpretations which are closer to the actual text than your own extraction.
@@theonlyway5298 No, what I am doing is accepting the events as laid down in the Scriptures but not accepting the intentions that the writers ascribe to other people whom they would have had no access from which to learn what their intentions were.
I was watching a documentary where a statistician discussed the probability that all those names would be in there together and not be the Jesus family and he said the odds were infinitesimally low.
James & John the Baptist is the two edged of the sword that comes out jesus's mouth metaphor , ? Makes more since then James& Jude, since Jesus considered him his Messiah , Jude got tossed n to finish there dynasty out ,& appears a fade out of ending story , getting these people mindset , & learning there's a 3rd major team involved wow ! Great job of searching with your soul earnestly,
I think its enlightening that apart from James, many of the original apostles were sons of high priests and similar.as judaism/early Christian period was a theocracy, with titles like high priest handed down from father to son. So many of the apostles were wealthy and influential in Israel, which explains a bit why the pre Pauline Christians were considered dangerous.
Alecbrown66• where is the proof of what you are saying? If most of the apostles were rich, then why didn’t they just go buy the food to feed the multitude instead of relying on Jesus to produce a miracle. The Word does say that the apostles fed the people not Christ. If all the Apostles had all this power and influence, why were they all crucified, stoned, and beheaded?
@@Tro349it might be because any types of a conceivable threat to the power of roman authority was instantly dealt with death. The temple worshipping was only allowed because it was an easy way to continue to keep the Hebrew people superstitiously emotionally pacified by allowing them to continue to worship their GODS EL and Yahweh in the temple. It's a much safer way to be able to control the Empires annexed province, and its people. As long as the priesthood didn't preach revolting against the roman occupation, then the Romans wouldn't have to pay the expenses for the military to have to put down the revolution against rome. The people were already paying taxes as a tribute to the power of rome for their protection from other invaders.
Not sure if this matters, James, but in the Hispanic culture, multiple children can have the same name. Within his family, several boys are named “Ruben”. My husband’s mother had 10 siblings; and of the girls were named “Maria.”
That appears to be a Catholic tradition. It is the same in Canada. It used to be all boys had the first name of Joseph and the girls all had the first name of Mary (Maria is Spanish, Marie in French, Moira in Irish) given on their birth certificate by the priest, then the parents would give the second given name which was usually the name used by the family, example Mary Lorraine, or Joseph Donald.
@@ChristopherCudworthPtolemy I named both of his sons Ptolemy. So this definitely happened at that time as well, especially in the Hellenistic world that the Moabites were rebelling against and thus were obviously contemporaneous with.
Whew, at just two minutes into this video I am aghast by the creative assertions about John and James. Theories rivaling Q-anon! But, I do find fiction fascinating. Dr. Tabor, a rational historian, is interesting as a free thinker, but I pray he returns to his Messiah and His Church, before it's too late (death). I'll watch the rest of the video for my entertainment and the occasional gems he drops. Peace (from the Restoration and Unity Movement)!
There's so many James because it was actually one of the more common names, Jacob. The KJV translated all instances of Jacob except for the most famous, to James in honor of the king.
Was it done to honour the King, or was it because James as the Greek form of James? The New Testament was written in Greek "as she is spoke," with differences from the literary "koine."
@@douglaidlaw740 Yes and No. When "Jacob's Well" is mentioned in the NT, it is not called "James' Well" it is just called "Jacob's Well." But also, neoJacob was not translated as "James" in order to "honor the king of England"... it was translated as "James" because it was an already English sounding word that meant "Usurper" which is what "Jacob" means "Yah(weh) Usurps". The guy that translated the more original Latin version into the "pre-King James Version" said he didn't like how confusing the Latin version "Jacobus" confused people with thinking there was a deeper or mythical connection with the Old Testament. Thus he figured a "white lie" or "half truth" by changing only the "new jacobs" into "james" would only help Christianity and thus assure him theo-fascistic-monarchial immortality.
If John Baptist said Jesus is the great one everybody was waiting for... then how come there were two separate groups; Jesus and his disciples while there was John and HIS disciples. How was it that John did not step down and hand over his followers to Jesus?
@@termination9353 Aside from Jesus, John is one of the most significant figure in the gospel. His birth parallels that of Jesus but was also such a momentous event similar to the birth of Isaac to Sarah and Abraham. John’s ministry was like those “The end is here” type ministers but I would imagine due to the events of those times the scenario makes since. So it’s like Jesus spoke of love where John spoke of the end but the message of both was the same, “the kingdom of heaven is upon us”. I don’t think the disciples of the 2 would have been able to commingle because the disciples followed based on the message or I guess delivery style of Jesus and John.
Yeshua Stopped him on the road on his journey. He said I Am the Lord. The Lord is described throughout scripture as Jesus Christ/Yeshua...as The Lord God. I take it you dont believe the Holy Scripture but take a mans word/studies over the bible. Im asking..
Just bought your book, Dr Tabor, and I'm starting it tonight. I'm really looking forward to it. Keep up the great work, I'm slowly catching up with your posts.
Khalaf means progenitor a person or thing from which a person, animal, or plant is descended or originates; an ancestor or parent. "his sons and daughters were the progenitors of many of Scotland's leading noble families"
Dear Mr. Tabor: I highly respect you first of all. My friend has verbally told me about all of your books in detail. It triggered my memories. I know about Jesus' sister Salome and I would like to speak with you somehow for a moment. Thank you. Blessings.
I read The Jesus Dynasty the year it was first released, as well as book James the Brother of Jesus and The Lost Religion of Jesus. I had converted from Christianity to 12er Shi'ite Islam in 1999 at the age of 39, so I was very interested in the research done by Dr. James Tabor and others. There is the concept of 12 Imams which follower those Prophets who are also Messengers (i.e. bring a divine law). So, I personally believe the was a Jesus Dynasty. We name Peter, James, Simon, and Jude as the first four "Imams" after Prophet Jesus the Christ. Dr. Tabor's comments on the list by Eusebius is really helpful because we didn't know how to deal with the extra names in the list. I shared this video on Facebook for my Christian and Muslim friends interested in these things. We may draw different conclusions, but the knowledge also demonstrates what Jews, Christians, and Muslims do have in common.
Jesus seemed to know this was a last opportunity for Israel which would be destroyed without a great awakening. Did he foresee all the death and destruction. Or the great falling away even after all he suffered for us? Yes, i suppose. He certainly understood the prophets--completely beyond me.
Dr. Tabor, you have somewhat convincingly shown that Jesus' brothers James, Simon, and Judas were included in the 12 apostles. However, in Mark chapter 3, Jesus chose the apostles but then in Mark 3:20-35 we read that Jesus' family including his brothers tried to restrain him from preaching. Does this not put in question your thesis?
Cleophas is mentioned as the husband of one of the Mary's at the foot of the cross in John but there was a Cleopas in Luke 24, who was one of the guys on the road to Emmaus. It is presumed that Cleopas was the surname of Simon Cleopas because Luke records Jesus appearing to Simon and it could not have been Simon Peter that he was referring to. Luke 24:34 - Saying, The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon. I mean, I'm just guessing but up to that verse, Jesus hadn't appeared to any of the apostles but He did appear to the two men on the road to Emmaus.
@@solomonlee4503 - And this is what I love about "scholars". I never heard the word "surname" until I started reading the King James Bible. (I was like 17-years old at the time.) Now the "scholars" (who are so much smarter than I am) are telling me that people didn't have surnames in those days. Gee, I wonder where the translators got their stupid information. The translators don't know as much as these brilliant "scholars". Trust me. That's not scholarship, that's bull ship.
Mr. Tabor's opening comment that Jesus' statement "but he who is least in the Kingdom is greater than he" is easily and plainly reconciled. And, yes: Jesus said it. Why? Jesus tells you: "The law and the prophets were until John" (Luke 16:6). John the Baptist may have been the greatest prophet in the Old Testament where the Holy Ghost was external to all men, but Jesus represents the New Testament where even the least person has the Holy Ghost dwelling in them, making even the smallest Christian greater than any Old Testament prophet bound to ritual, sacrifices, and waiting on God. Surely, this is not that hard to figure out.
Actually, I think it's possible Jesus might have said that, but the reason his follow-up is reconcilable is not because of the new covenant replacing he old one or that Christian interpretation is superior to the Jewish one as you seem to imply. That's Pauline doctrine, and would not reflect Jesus' own teaching, which are still very committed to the law of Moses (remember, Jesus said he came not to abolish the law but to fulfill it; that is, he wasn't trying to say, like Paul, the Old Testament is no longer important, so much as he was trying to redirect people to the spiritual basis for the law). The Holy Ghost has always dwelt among the righteous of Israel. It's an idea that goes back to the Old Testament called the Ru'ach hakodesh and has nothing to do with Trinitarianism which is definitely not Jewish. It can be understood as inspiration; God's inspiration, which John the Baptist and previous prophets would have been full of. You could say, in modern parlance, that it was the guiding consciousness that would see to it that God's will prevailed in the early (still entirely Jewish) Nazarene church. . Jesus was living at a time when many Jews of different sects (including the Pharisees and Essenes, but not the Sadducees) believed that God's Kingdom was an immanent historical event that would put an end to the corrupt age full of all kinds of evils and hardships people had faced, from the Roman occupation, to inequality, to death and disease. It was a dualistic paradigm that may go back to the Zoroastrians during the Babylonian and Persian periods, that surely had an influence on inter-testamental Jewish thought. The kingdom was essentially a restored Earth in which righteousness would prevail, and we would be given new bodies free from sickness and death..but only those who had shown themselves worthy of entrance would be given it; the rest would experience not life but eternal nonexistence - what is called the 'second death'. They would not be resurrected. When Jesus says that whoever is least in the kingdom is greater than John, this has nothing to do with righteousness, or judging John not worthy of entrance. If that were the case (and John is the greatest person who ever lived) of course no one else would be in the kingdom. The greatness would be that of the restored form that the all of the resurrected righteous would have, John included. Jesus was trying to inspire hope in how great things would soon be for those enduring the present hardships of the world. Following John, Jesus set out to prepare people for the kingdom. In order for them to enter heaven (which was not a celestial destination but an transformed Earth) heaven had to first enter them....hence the kingdom of heaven being within.
Very interesting…I find this so intriguing, glad I found this….I’ve always wondered about this in the New Testament and the way you have pointed this out makes a lot of sense to me. Since there is nothing left from our history ancestors, except the Bible and our ancestors culture, we are left with still more questions than answers, but God always finds away in which He can enlighten ourselves with various bits and pieces that may be right or a wrong assumption. I love listening to these lectures. It puts an interest into researching my own Biblical information….👍❤️🙏🏼🥰🤔
Dr. Tabor, I've been following you for a couple of years now and your life's work fascinates me. Thank you for sharing what you know on this amazing topic! My question is this: What can we believe about Christ's Church now? Looks to me like the "Dynasty" failed and now I'm very suspicious of the Paulian legacy... Catholic Church?
I have read the book; it was more sensible than some of these preachers, but it was unscientific. Right through the book, the author condemned John's Gospel as worthless -- until the last chapter, where John is the only Evangelist who supports him, and suddenly becomes the "fair-haired boy!" I am still wondering how an Unbeliever became the Head of a theological college.
JESUS HAD A SON VIA MARY MAG John 19:25-27 25 Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother[Mary], and his mother's sister[in-law], Mary the wife of Cleophas[mother Mary's brother], and Mary Magdalene. 26 When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by[Mary Magdalene], whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy [grand]son! [in Mary Mag's womb/pregnant.] 27 Then saith he to the disciple[Mary Mag], Behold thy mother[in-law/Jesus' mother Mary]! And from that hour that disciple[Mary Mag] took her[Jesus' mother] unto his[Jesus'] own home [The home of Jesus and his now pregnant wife Mary Magdalene] in a midwifing arrangement.
@@termination9353why do you miss read, John 19: 25-27. Christ is not talking about, Mary Magdalene as the Disciple he loved. But John is referring to himself. The evidence is that John never referred to himself as John, but always referred to himself as the disciple whom Christ loved. Christ is telling Mary his mother that John is now to be considered her son and telling John to take his mother, to his house and that he, John is responsible for her as a son would be to his mother. If Mary Magdalene was pregnant with Christ’s son, that would mean that Christ had sinned, unless he was married to her. If not, it would’ve been fortification. There is no evidence that Christ was married to Mary Magdalene. So how could Christ have died on the cross without sin, if he sinned? Don’t just tell a lie! Prove it though scriptures and not just what you say in brackets!
@@Tro349 John didn't write the book of John. Gospel says John wasn't at the crucifixion cause the Apostles were in hiding "for fear of the Jews." Gospel says Lazarus and Mary Magdalene are the disciples Jesus loved. There never was multiple Gospels by multiple authors. The Gospel was originally one book, written by Lazarus in consultation with the Apostles [John 21:24] and published soon after Jesus left them on their own. The religion was hijacked by Rome, the Gospel was broken up scrambled adulterated into a bunch of competing narratives. Later four of those adulterated gospels were canonized with falsely ascribed authorship and a Gnosticism cover-story. It was the finding of an original Gospel of Jesus scroll in Jerusalem that gained the Knights Templar power over the Church and their eventual undoing when the church finally retaliated against them Friday 13th. John 21:24 "This is the disciple[whom Jesus loved/ Lazarus] which testifieth of these things, AND WROTE THESE THINGS: and we[Apostles] know that his testimony is true." John 11:5 Now Jesus LOVED Martha, and her sister(MARYMAGDALENE), and LAZARUS John 11:3 Therefore his sisters sent unto him{Jesus], saying, Lord, behold, HE[Lazarus] WHOM THOU LOVEST is sick.. John11:36 Then said the Jews, Behold how he[Jesus] LOVED him[Lazarus]!
Would expect to have the date of the presentation. Looks like about 2002. Oh it's your channel - very good then. I find this super-duper important. So was this presentation timed with the publication in 2006?
Galatians 1:19 - Adelphos -- ETYMOLOGY: from Delphus, from the womb -- DEFINITION: BROTHER. James was from the same womb as Jesus, at least according to the author of Galatians.
They always say that celibacy is foreign to Judaism, but the Essenes were celibate and they were Jewish. I think it's only foreign to later Judaism, not to it as it was 2000 plus years ago.
Essenes were a Zoroastrian cult and Judaism was a created religion in 2Kings 17 by mixing Ashima/Hashem with the worship of Yahuah. The God Culture has excellent research that proves it out
Celibacy is certainly foreign to the Old Testament. It was only Later Judaism (such as sects called Essenes) that had mixed with Zoroastrian and Buddhist monastic ideas that wanted to "purify" themselves by "doing one better" than avoiding the wife during her "monthly unclean time" by avoiding a wife at all... many Greco-Roman priestesses already did this and remaining virgin was seen as a "superpower" to a lot of lusting dummies.
@@lisakimbrell1406 I doubt it is..... It seems more likely it's your burden. Try to be less suggestible...remember when you watch a screen you enter an alpha trance.... but remember to engage your discernment.... not everything on a screen is the truth.
If John Baptist said Jesus is the great one everybody was waiting for... then how come there were two separate groups; Jesus and his disciples while there was John and HIS disciples. How was it that John did not step down and hand over his followers to Jesus?
Seriously? They would've worshipped Moses' bones if they'd have found them, they were a very superstitious people, for lack of a better term, that would follow anyone exhibiting any type of Supernatural knowledge.
Actually, none of what you just said happened anyway because, hate to break it to you, Jebus wasn't real. He's made up, in your head, fake, fiction, created by man to control man, not a real person. It really is that simple.
@@termination9353 good for you. I just can't believe that in this day and age, with all the knowledge and experts we have, with how many times this stuff has been conclusively proven to be all lies, that people are still so gullible as to believe a 2000 + year old book, written by ancient, ignorant, uneducated primitives, to control more ignorant, uneducated primitives. That basically means that anyone that still believes this garbage is 10 X dumber than anyone that lived over 2000 years ago. Hardly something to be proud of. For the record, I was a Christian, until I was at an age where I was smart enough to figure out that it's all garbage, 10. Spent the next 30 studying the Buybull and now know more than any Christian ever will. Don't be a fool for life.
John the Baptist was pointing to the coming of the Messiah. He never said that he was the anointed one. Rather, his ministry was to remind the people that "one greatet than he" was coming. When Jesus came to John to be baptized, he said, "Behold, the Lamb of God." At that moment John understood that Jesus was now on the scene and that his duty to tell everyone about the coming Messiah was done. "He must increase and I must decrease. At this point, John's followers began following Jesus.
Joseph did not die young. The false narrative - Mary as virgin; Jesus as God - required virginity and getting rid of Joseph and Jesus’ siblings. They even renamed Joseph as Joseph of Arimithea. Jesus was put in his father’s tomb.
@@douglaidlaw740 There are many multiple different "Bible" cannons. Not to mention the "editions" of each one which slightly twist the meaning of certain things as the publishers see fit.
The brothers in Acts 1:14 could be a reference to brothers in the sense of being disciples. To be sure, Luke talks about a hundred brothers in the very next line of scripture.
I’m no expert, but Luke went to a great deal of effort to downplay James, and only mentioned him when it was necessary. It’s so hard to know exactly what is meant - but honestly, “hundreds of brothers” does indeed signify a brotherhood or group - a specific meaning. And yet he says “brother” right before? Why list both descriptions if he means only “brotherhood”? I think he’s talking about Jesus’ brother, and also a brotherhood of like minded individuals. I’m babbling, I know, and I’m being as clear as mud, but I’m trying to understand.
I just reread Acts 1:14, and Luke is definitely talking about Jesus’s actual brothers. He lists the disciples, then Mary, Jesus’s mother and then says Jesus’s brothers also - Jesus’s family. In the next verse he’s talking about speaking to a group of “brothers and sisters,” or a congregation. I think it’s very clear.
@@krbailess you can’t prove it’s his brothers. I can’t prove it’s not his brothers. And that’s why it’s still so mysterious and intriguing two thousand years later!
I am really enjoying this book it reads as well as any thriller and is so fascinating. I am learning so much and the insight on what is written in scripture is amazing. You are laying out what you have found with the evidence but without making absolute assertions leaving us to make up our own mind. Thanks Dr Tabor great read!
This is all very interesting. I'm beginning to put this together; it seems there are multiple sources that state Thomas, was "didymos," (twin) to the Lord. So apparently Jesus had a twin brother. I'm pulling this directly from Professor Hugh Montomery's book, The God-Kings of Outremer. He is citing the Abdius Manuscript, as well as Nag Hamadi books, i.e., The Gospel of Thomas. If the Gospel of Thomas can be trusted ("Thomas wrote it down"), it means Jesus' twin could write, which means they probably both received some education in their early years.
I have researched religion and spirituality for decades. It has always been a passion and watching this lecture adds to my research and I thank Dr. Tabor. I just recently found out through a separate genealogy researcher I am a descendant of the Davidian branch. On my maternal side we have many ancestors in the French Royal family among others royal members. While some of my family are not particularly spiritual beyond the traditional church attendance, I was actually raised in the Anabaptist branch. It would appear you continue to assemble the truth all though out your life. It never really concludes unless you choose to give up.
This man is like the Columbo of Christianity. . I would like some other opinions on this theory to speak up. Scholars not theologians. Theologians always back the church of Rome over the Jerusalem church on faith. Luke Acts is a cleaner theology than the slightly later ones of the four primary gospels that split up the early Church. Scholarship has less bias in my opinion. Even today it is not clear that Christianity has a unity, a consensus on doctrine. Even within say Baptist followers it is not uncommon for ministers to call each other out. Televangelists seem to be the biggest targets but authors, famous people except Trump oddly enough, tend to mix it up. Some of this war rages even here on RU-vid which I love to see!
I’m confused by your statement that James would endorse Noahide laws, which are created by rabbinics. The Torah is clear that there is one Torah for the children of Israel and the stranger who lives among them (Num 15:16 and Ex 12:49). With regard to circumcision, even Abraham’s servants were circumcised (Gen 17:27). The whole of the Neviim is about returning to GOD and keeping his eternal Torah, so this bit has me somewhat perplexed about James, as i do believe he was Torah observant and would have welcomed "Gentiles" to adopt the ways of the Torah and receive a name "better than (natural born) sons" (Is 56).
He says Torah and not the law ( 10 commandments) because then people would equate him to such as messianic Jews , SDA, and SDB. and other Saturday Shabboth keepers.
@@Phillip-n3g According to the Torah in Exodus, anyone who keeps the whole of the 10 Words, the Covenant, is considered "a special treasure above all the peoples of the earth." When the Israelites left Egypt, they were a mixed multitude, and even Joseph's own sons (the sons who bear the name of Israel) were half Egyptian. The problem with Christianity and Judaism is that both groups routinely violate at least one commandment of The Covenant. Judaism will not speak His Name, in violation of the 3rd Command to never bring His Name to nothing. And Christians/SDA/Messianics violate any variety of the 10, but most importantly, they profane the Covenant by worshiping a god who is not YHWH.
Very interesting. I no longer believe in gods, but still find biblical research fascinating. I was once part of the biblical research ministry, The Way International.
Galatians 1:18 Paul stayed with Peter for 15 days in that time he he said he only saw James the Lord's brother. Im not sure where you're getting that Paul never went Peter.
Hi James, just a thought archelogists in Pompeii said they have found ancient scriptures dating back to around Yeshua (Jesus) time. They are hoping that there maybe information regarding the early Christians. Maybe you should find out more information. The archelogists are waiting for technology to develop further to unravel these scriptures. Due to the damage of the volcano erupting. If their is any scripture in there regarding the movement. This could be extremely interesting. Xx
The Merovingian kings were by tradition descended from the family of Christ (not from Christ). They held the title of Vicar of Christ until they were destroyed through an alliance between The Carolingina kings and the Vatican. The title Vicar of Christ was transferred to the pope. Previously the pope was called the Vicar iof Peter. Or so the legend goes.
JESUS HAD A SON VIA MARY MAG John 19:25-27 25 Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother[Mary], and his mother's sister[in-law], Mary the wife of Cleophas[mother Mary's brother], and Mary Magdalene. 26 When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by[Mary Magdalene], whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy [grand]son! [in Mary Mag's womb/pregnant.] 27 Then saith he to the disciple[Mary Mag], Behold thy mother[in-law/Jesus' mother Mary]! And from that hour that disciple[Mary Mag] took her[Jesus' mother] unto his[Jesus'] own home [The home of Jesus and his now pregnant wife Mary Magdalene] in a midwifing arrangement.
@@termination9353 🤦♂️you’re inserting things that doesn’t exist in the text. It’s all speculation. You need to prove it to the same standards beyond reasonable doubt like in a court of law for anyone to give you passing consideration. You may have better chances of proving your speculations if you can find some trace of evidence in the mishna or any Christian writing before 135 ad
@@jperez7893 Since when has any theocratic claims been held to some court of law standard? I have the documentation proving I'm the King of Israel. What court in this world will hear this case? Spare me your bullshit... you have no court of law proven beyond reasonable doubt for any of YOUR claims either. Hypocrite holding others to a higher standard than yourself.
The LORD JESUS CHRIST is GOD!! Scholars believe themselves to be smarter than GOD but they know nothing....God sits in the Heavens and laughs at them because they teach things they know nothing about.
@@mehere337 I don't understand what you're asking. How do I know? I know because the Holy Scripture tells us that God sits in the heavens and laughs. We laugh, don't we? We are created in HIS image. Also, I believe and I know. I just assume you don't believe. Why else would you ask that question? Do you want PROOF that GOD exists? Repent from your heart to HIM/JESUS CHRIST and CALL out to HIM. Read the scripture, fast and pray...talk to the LORD and you WILL receive your proof. I don't know what else to tell you. Receiving the HOLY SPIRIT is a GIFT from the LORD GOD.
I commented on this before. Paul - as his Master did - freed people. "That one does not follow you with us!" "Leave him alone" was his response. How important should Paul have made that Dynasty of Brothers of Messiah to put every Jew or Pharisee (coming from James) in a position to lord it over the ones in Asia minor, Greece, on the islands, in Spain? Paul did not fight against James. Indeed, he is the one we know it from (in the NT writings) that he was brother of the Kyrios Iesous. Paul was not just a brilliant thinker. He was a good man, too. And he cared more for those afar for whom he had taken responsibility by being teacher and friend and father to them than he cared for his own stance with those in Jerusalem. Yet, he cared for them, too, and collected support in behalf of them among the nations. His letters are full of the value (ΑΓΑΠΗ agapē) of the fathers, of Moses, of Israel as a nation. The churches (from ΚΥΡΙΑΚΗ) are not of Paul's making. (He does not even embrace that term.) Paul is not responsible as John and Simon (Peter) as James are not responsible for the idolatrous mess and doctrinal hoax that has been called church. The path to the Dynasty (ΒΑΣΙΛΕΙΑ) is and always was the narrow one. And the door is not nation, nor blood, nor kinship.
If Joseph had any living children when he died, levirate marriage would not have applied; in fact, Mary would have been forbidden to marry Joseph’s brother.
The La Sagrada Familia in Barcelona, is the church related to the history of the Jesus family? I know family is different from a dynasty. But the name of the church is very unique.
While I respect James Tabor and believe he is doing valuable work when it comes to the study and teachings on the DSS and non-canonical writings, I feel compelled to argue against at least one point he makes in the video. And as well, share some information that he has not considered. Regarding John the Baptist. Christ said what he did about him because John was the Righteous Teacher that the Essenes were waiting for him. So he was indeed more than a prophet. Regarding James. It is true that we find in the Gospel According to Thomas that Christ named his half brother to be the head of the Church in Jerusalem. And this is important. But what Mr. Tabor failed neglected to mention is that all 3 are said to be priests. And this is very important. Because the DSS state the Yahad would be established by way of 3 priests and 12 laymen. This then is why Christ chose 12 laymen to be his inner circle. Then what we see is that all 3 priests come from the same family. For John the Baptist was the 1st priest that was the voice in the wilderness who ushered in the Messiah. Christ was the 2nd priest and the high priest in the order of Melchezedek. And James was the 3rd priest that was the head of the Church after Christ went to be with his Father in Heaven. Regarding the brothers and sisters of Christ. The Protevangelion (Gospel of James) tells us Joseph was an old many with children. And as a widower married Marry. So I will go with this very clear teaching from a writing that I consider to be inspired. Additionally, the prophecy of 3 priests and 12 laymen establishing the Yahad described in the DSS is based on a prophecy and vision described in the Book of the words of Gad the seer. For in that prophecy/vision we see Yahweh placing a crown on the head of a lamb, who we know today to be the Christ, and Son of God. That crown is then described as being made up of 3 shepherds that were connected by 12 chains made of gold and coated in silver. The 12 chains are clearly the 12 laymen chosen by the lamb to be his apostles. And the 3 shepherds are the 3 priests described in the Essene prophecy. And we now know the 3 shepherds/priests come from the same family (John the Baptist, Yahshua, and James the half/step brother of Christ).
It doesn't really matter. Xtianity is pure pagan idolatry created by the Romans. There is no eyewitness testimony of Jesus and no documents by Jesus either. There is 0 evidence of his existence or the whole scenario written in the xtian writings.
It wasn’t about the family it was about the message and the example of his life, and making the family royal would be about the human ego and worshiping the bloodline
Yep. And it was important so that the temple elders, who put great stock in that kind of thing, would recognize God's choice. They refused, and here we are.
Also if James, brother of Jesus, was part of Jesus' ministry why are we listening to Paul instead of James? Paul was not apart of Jesus' ministry or a disciple.
How about John the Baptizer being Jesus' cousin (their mother's are sisters). John the Baptizer is the messenger/prophet that announces the Christ/Messiah. (John quotes Elijah from the old testament, I believe it is something about a parallel with old testament prophecy and Christ/Messiah being announced)
Joseph of Arimathea went to Glastonbury, England after laying Jesus to rest in the tomb that was meant for Joseph. It is the responsibility in the Jewish faith for the family to properly lay a family member to rest. Joseph, a Sanhedrin, was in the mining business. Cornwall, England was a mining area. I pray each day to my Joseph of Arimathea Icon that shows the Glastonbury Thor in the background. Thank you for your very informative video.
Barb, are you familiar with Dolores Cannon? She discusses the Glastonbury connection to Joseph of Arimathea and how he was a wealthy Tin trader. He was Mary’s wealthy uncle and Jesus during the missing years would travel with him. I’m not going to debate or argue that it’s the true story but kind of interesting to read.
Yes, we know all this. Apparently, J of A revived Jesus and took him to England. It's speculative. Maybe Joseph of A was actually Jesus's father. He was high priest. Jews are not adverse to incest.
This is super interesting to me. It seems as though the earliest Christian’s shied away from the concepts of succession that we are all familiar with. And, instead transferred succession in a manner that looked much more like the manner in which the Saudi Crown traveled-laterally from the eldest brother to the next and then the next. Only at the expiration of the youngest brothers reign, would the throne or chair pass to the next generation in the accession of the son of the eldest brother. The throne would then pass through all of his sons-brother to brother-until they all expired. What’s interesting here is that this method is consistent with the geography and culture of the area at the time. Interestingly enough, this method of succession provides a different type of continuity. It ensures that eligibly favored elders, most of whom walked with Christ to be at the top of the heap-so to speak-of eligibility. The method of succession that is being described is quite consistent with the tradition and manner of inheritance of that time. The western/European tradition of male primogeniture is precisely that! A European rendition of succession. This all checks out quite neatly. And while not perfect, it is the most concise, historically consistent and well dissected theory that I’ve seen as of yet. As a Roman Catholic, it disputes and disrupts a great deal of what I believed prior. But facts are stubborn things. And I have to acknowledge the facts as they are uncovered. The interesting thing though… despite the challenges to what I believed prior, my faith in the core principles of Christianity remain unshaken. James Tabor piqued my interest during his contributions to a documentary that chronicled the discovery of what I now beleive to be the tomb of the family of a Jesus Christ. If you haven’t seen it, please watch it. The likeliness that this is in fact the tomb of the family of Christ is beyond possible. In fact, statistically speaking, it is thousands of time more likely to be the tomb than it is unlikely. And they explain the math to you in the simplest of terms. It’s virtually impossible that the tomb discovered was not the tomb of Christ’s family… The work these guys are doing is remarkable.
(46) Jesus said, "Among those born of women, from Adam until John the Baptist, there is no one so superior to John the Baptist that his eyes should not be lowered (before him). Yet I have said, whichever one of you comes to be a child will be acquainted with the kingdom and will become superior to John.". That's the lambdin translation of saying 46 in gospel of Thomas .
Jesus accended to heaven and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. If you want to understand the Bible you should read it or listen to a audio version of it if you can't read and ask Jesus to help you understand it.
It's interesting that Mary, the mother of Jesus and Elizabeth, the mother of John the Baptist, were both artificially impregnated. And that Jesus, by his own admission looked up to John as his teacher. The Knights Templer were persecuted for praying to John instead of Jesus.
A good hypothesis will be that Jesus after is resurrection (and/or nde), continued courageously his mission until his death, and that he, his children and his family were well protected by the apostles and near disciples. He has probably seen his son and great son as successors on his throne.
Paul was an ambitious well educated rabbi. He didn't know the disciples or Jesus. He only met the disciples 4 or more years after Jesus went to heaven. He was a bully who would persecute and chase Jews from atop his horse until his horse decided to slam him to the ground and give him something to think about. Then he heard the voice of good conscience and he was slain in the spirit. This took place a few years after Jesus went to heaven. Then being the educated rabbi, he wanted to get involved in the Christian religion and so he came in and dominated it's direction, as much as he could. He had a lot of education so he was an asset. James, Jesus's brother and Paul disagreed on a few of the understandings and interpretations. Paul was quite the discriminator of women's expressions and thought they should be meek and cover their heads. Sometimes I wish he hadn't crashed the party.
🕊I ALSO LAYED IN BED AND HEARD A FLUTE BEING PLAYED DOWN THE HALL. 🕊ALSO LAYED IN BED TO SLEEP AND I HAD MY EYEBALLS PINNED LIKE TO THE CEILING. AS I COULD NOT CLOSE MY EYES. ✝️🌹🕊GOD BLESS ALL
...and there for his Genealogy is well known from the Kings of England and France and Russia ie EUROPA going back to 500 AD. or zero, when they thought he was born but the only thing that was BORN Again was his prophecy of the Messiah who comes NOW, ..hence backwards. The Kings do NOT come from him YET, he comes from the ancient line of Kings.. hence King of Kings.
You assumed Clophas was the brother of Joseph, earthly father of the Lord, but none of the Church Fathers write about this. The Tradition says that Mary of Clophas was the sister of the Virgin Mary and the holy brothers of the Lord were His cousins. Mary remained untouched for her entire life.
Ive seen agatha traslated into English as "just," so that first makes me wonder about whether James is just or good. Abd second, heaven and earth came into being for Adam and Eve in their first state as having a conversational relationship relationship with God. The whole point of the way is a return to that relationship.
By claiming that Mary was "ever virgin," they are saying that sex, even within marriage, is somehow a sin. The Gospel of John never mentions Mary, the mother of Jesus, by her name. Interesting. SHe is described as Jesus' mother, but never by name. My cousin was born into a family where all the girls were named Mary and all the boys were named Joseph. They went by their middle names throughout life. Luke is guilty of revisionist history. Example, when Jesus is arrested, his disciples do NOT run away but "follow at a distance."
