Just went to my first Presbyterian church service. Converting from Pentecostalism. Pray for me. If anyone teaches reformed theology I would love a Bible study!
@RedeemedGenAlpha you are so Gen Alpha. Don't worry, though, you have a good head on your shoulders, and I'll be praying for your future Mr redeemed Gen Alpha.
ok i think this video is convincing me to actually convert to presbyterianism... I'd been listening to youtube videos by theologians explaining issues like paedobaptism and my mind still held onto the baptist definition of baptism so i was still confused. Was a very helpful talk, thanks guys
"There comes a heathen and says, 'I wish to become a Christian, but I know not whom to join: there is much fighting and faction among you, much confusion: which doctrine am I to choose?' How shall we answer him? 'Each of you' (says he) 'asserts, "I speak the truth."' (b) No doubt: this is in our favor. For if we told you to be persuaded by arguments, you might well be perplexed: but if we bid you believe the Scriptures, and these are simple and true, the decision is easy for you. If any agree with the Scriptures, he is the Christian; if any fight against them, he is far from this rule." - St. John Chrysostom, *Homily 33 on Acts*
@bluekazoo5378 you should read William Perkins on Tradition in his book Reformed Catholic. 🙂 He’ll talk about the Reformed view. (There’s a free pdf online from Monergism)
As someone who attends Sproul’s church and interacts with ligonier people regularly, I can confirm that the majority of them are presbapterians or Puritans
@@DrGero15 Anglo-Reformed people are Anglicans who are very confessional (adhere to their Denomination's confession the 39 Articles of Religion). Anglicanism was designed to be pseudo-reformed by Thomas Cranmer. Anglo-reformed people are people who follow the Reformed ideas of salvation, the church, and its sacraments but who still affirm an episcopal style of church structure. They are generally low church anglicans, and to me they are similar to High church Presbyterians.
@@keelanenns4548 The 39 Articles are much closer to Lutheran than reformed, and an honest and knowledgeable Calvinist couldn't affirm all of them as they were written. The Anglican Formularies explicitly endorse; a general, not limited, atonement, a true Christian forfeiting salvation and being lost, instrumental baptismal regeneration, prevenient grace, God working with us for salvation, and resistible grace, among other things. Anglo-Reformed would be just as far off base as the Anglo-Catholics in claiming to adhere to them. It gets even worse for both groups if you read the Books of Homilies. (Which are explicitly endorsed as "godly and wholesome Doctrine" by the 39 Articles) As an example for the Anglo-Reformed, Homily 8 "On Declining From God" explicitly says a true Christian can forfeit salvation and be lost.
as someone who is attending a non denominational church, and i am currently called to attend it; im actually glad cause its very theologically sound, and while attending it and through my research I've been convicted of things like real presence, the importance of ritual and solemnity, the validity of baby baptism, and other generally considered by baptists not true bible. the one thing ive learnt is that a lot of these arguments are because of different definitions of things, and a general lack of theological depth of study. now i believe all churches have their different uses and strength, but i generally have better appreciation for big beautiful churches that focus on theology and deeper faith
A truly great conversation. Some thoughts in no order of importance - One can be an optimistic amillennialist which is close to a post millennialist. I think it is more accurate to say Billy Graham was an inclusiveist than a universalist. Indeed theois is not a dirty word among the Reformed. “Praise God and baptize babies” should be put into some memes.
You’re content got me from Southern Baptist to the PCA, I know it’s not PCUSA but it’s a step closer. Also the speed speaking/ patient speaking thing is more of an urban/rural thing rather than a yankee/Southerner thing.
@@redeemedzoomer6053 Limited atonement doesn't square with when God forgave the Ninevites after repenting from their false gods. Also, how do you cope with Sola fide when Rahab, a gentile prostitute was justified for her works in James 2:25?
@@SongmyzThe entirety of James 2 is explained by v17. James is rebuking the antinominianism of those who think because faith saves, they don’t have to be obedient. James - like Paul, like Jesus - is saying that faith alone is efficacious for salvation, but not the kind of faith that stands alone. A good tree bears good fruit. And the Ninevites has no bearing on limited atonement at all.
This is where the Lutheran view comes in. The Bible says God chooses us, we are incapable of choosing God on our own merit. We are elected in our baptism. It doesn’t say we are retrobated by God but rather damned on our own merit for without Christ we are subject to judgement.
28:00 you guys speaking of research actually makes me more excited to read something. I found a bunch of Augustine's works in The Gutenberg Project and it woulf be nice to find other Church Fathers' works in the web. Anyway I gotta read some novels and study for getting a public office
Mr. Zoomer I enjoy you videos and I was wondering if you could recommend any books that address "Kingdom Theology". Is N T Wright the only writer on this topic?
From my experience, postmil drives what we do! We work for the Kingdom, and when it seems discouraging, it drives us to keep going since eventually it will change, and we get to be a part of that change! How exciting that God decides to partner with us! It is quite interesting to me how any of the end times views can be used wrongly for us to be lazy. If the future is great, there’s nothing we need to do since it’ll just be good either way. If we don’t know, than it doesn’t matter if I do anything or not since there’s no telling what will happen. If the future is dark, I don’t want to have anything to do with it. It’s also cool how all can be used to help us do our work.
At 49:04, I believe that is actually called pleuralism (the idea that there are multiple paths to Heaven, not just through Christ), whereas universalism is that God will save everyone eventually (basically that Hell is not eternal, and those in Hell will be let into Heaven when their punishment is done with).
I’ve been very curious about the Presbyterian church. However, the only one in my city is profoundly liberal. Rainbow flags planted in the front lawn, and based on the few online sermons I’ve watched from them they hold scripture as a sort of “nice book” but that it is written in an antiquated way with limitations of how accurate and useful it is for the “modern world.” It’s a shame because I’d like to expand my knowledge of theology. I was raised Baptist and had a very similar experience as Isaiah here.
'Non-denominational" is another name for an independent evangelical/Protestant congregational. It does not mean that they do not see themselves as part of a Tradition. There are Lutheran, Baptist ( a lot) , Mennonite, Classical Pentecostal (a lot) , Reformed independent congregations.
As someone who’s gone from pre trib rapture to amillennialism i think it’s the easiest because how depressing pre trib rapture is, it’s so easy to let go and amillennialism is so hopeful
The R.C Sproul hit threw me for a loop. I asked my OPC Pastor for a recommendation and he sent me their ESV Bible with footnotes as a good place to start. Based off the footnotes I was a little sus'd out when it came to some commentary or takes. I'm just curious as to what made your personal opinion shift? Are OPC churches more naturally Baptist leaning ( Ik you said churches are all different)? I also saw what the other commenter said.
As a postmillenialist I very much agree with your guys' sentiments as amillenialists. The amillenialists that I know seem somewhat ambivalent about the future and even cautious about attempting to transform the world because they don't necessarily see it as part of God's plan. Like personal santification for the elect, God gaurantees world transformation but we are still called to be faithful in pursuing it.
The BFM2000 calls the sacraments "acts of obedience." That's a huge issue with the definition of baptism. They place it under the category of law not gospel.
"Our very righteousness, too, though true in so far as it has respect to the true good, is yet in this life of such a kind that it consists rather in the remission of sins than in the perfecting of virtues." -Saint Augustine, City of God, Book XIX, Section XXVII
30:25 I have not read the Bible, but I know a way of reconciling transubstantiation with the verse you just mentioned, God knows the future, so the bread and wine only be transubstantiate if God knows that the one receiving it will be part of the Kingdom of Heaven.
If you were baptised in a heretical group, do you have to get rebaptised if you convert to Christianity? And what if the heresy is not trinitarian but, docetist or pelagian?
It'd depend on the perspective of the denomination you're going into - and if you're not going into any then I guess it's on your heart to figure out through reading scripture and prayer. Would like to hear what any replies say so am commenting
Yes. If you are baptized in a heretical group and believe their heresy and then repent afterward, you need to leave that heretical group and be baptized again. (Usually because they do not baptize in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit).
If heretical group is a group that doesn’t baptize in the name of father son and Holy Spirit in that order, absolutely asap. Baptism saves, it is God working through the hands of man to claim you into his kingdom of everlasting life freeing you of sin and evil to go forthright into the world as a child of God ready to learn and transform the world with the guidance of Gods grace.
How does someone repent? EDIT: If I truly felt sorry for my sins, why would I have committed them in the first place? How do I repent, believing that without grace repentance is impossible while maintaining personal accountability?
Repentance is a change of mind. Repentance starts with recognizing sin, and actively trying to stop it. It won't be perfect, but only through the work of the Holy Spirit may we overcome sin. Remember when you sin: _If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness._ *1 John 1:9*
Thank you for responding to such a fundamental and basic question. I’ve recently seen that I’m losing track of those fundamentals and I’d also never want to confuse Christianity with a self-help guide. So part of actively desiring to stop sinning is knowing that I need to actively seek out God’s help to avoid falling into temptation?
@@briangronberg6507 Yeah, you need the helper..the Holy Spirit. One thing to remember is your focus shouldn’t be on not sinning in one sense. If that’s all you think about there are 2 outcomes: despair because you know you can’t do it, or pride because you’ve deceived yourself and think you’ve accomplished it. Be disciplined about reading the Bible and remember how Jesus rebuked satan when tempted..it is written..it is written..it is written. Willpower is important but it will fail when trying to conquer sin by itself. The spirit is willing but the body is weak. And don’t be so hard on yourself. The Lord says He will forgive you. Believe Him. Work on growing your faith (faith comes by hearing through the word of Christ-Romans 10:17) and replace that desire to sin with a love for Christ. It won’t happen overnight because the sanctification process is a lifelong journey.
It is completely insane to accuse Doug Wilson of retreating from the culture. Doug Wilson has built institutions and shaped thousands of lives and families.
17:53 - wait, but the CREC and Christ Chruch is working on building their own schools, their own college, their own church in Moscow, their own publishing arm and media arm. I like a lot of your work, but you should try and see if you can interview Doug Wilson and just pepper him with your critiques/questions.
@@redeemedzoomer6053 my point is my timestamp. Claiming retreatism when we're seeing Doug's ministry pushing into the right's spheres relative to Tucker, ND Wilson's work into Netflix, and Rory's stuff at Columbia, along with the ACCS graduates seeming to successfully generationally preserve their faith, and I think this passing comment is just oversimplified in the criticism- if they're not building, fair, but the representatives of the philosophy of postmillenial productivity you're critiquing seem to be pretty overtly productive. No doubt, retreatism is a temptation for all of us- but building alt institutions doesn't seem to me to be retreatism, just another strategy to recapture.
I say this, admiring your strategy, but entirely appreciating the diversity of God's work in the blockparty of the Church. There seem a lot of great godly schemes for reformation going on in our time!
That happened to me with Joel Osteen a few days ago. I left a comment saying that we Christians don't claim him, and half the replies were either atheists saying something along the lines of "yeah, actually, you do" or Joel's sheep yelling at me for criticizing their master.
Ravi Zacharias was a "celebrity" minister in the Christian and Missionary Alliance (CMA). that denomination has a Presbyterian system of government. It is not a congregationalist denomination.
You guys spend more time bashing people that would be on your side. It's okay to disagree with people on some things. Discuss ideas not people. Ligonier and MacArthur have been in the fight a long time. They have been doing alot of good for God's kingdom. It's not all about nice church buildings.
seriously tho im currently researching into the differences between baptists & others (particularly reformed) like infant baptism and the not-just-a-symbol communion and your criticisms across various videos have been very useful, havent changed my mind on any of it so far and dont think i will but im glad for exposure to other opinions/theologies so long as they're biblical
You keep saying the PCUSA is a unified denomination and how important that is. Why do we have to be unified with people who preach LGBTQ ideology and support abortion? What is the biblical basis for that? Why is unity more important to you than truth? Btw, I am considering joining an OPC church.
Im a baptist and honestly I don’t know why reformed traditions have become so popular i guess its trending and I will admit I was very tempted to have a calvinist view but I just couldn’t see my self believing in predestination and all that other stuff the good thing about being baptist is that you get to have a different opinion on theological issues (mainly Medieval theology) without having to be split up in to more and more diffrent churches.
@@keelanenns4548 I love reading and I’ll definitely take a look into it but I don’t think Im going to abandon my tradition I know Baptists don’t really get a good reputation when it comes to theology but I think that could change. I’m also very young so there is still a lot for me to learn perhaps I will change my mind but for now I’ll just stay put and have faith that God will guide me to where he wants me to be
@@TheScholarlyBaptist it’s good that you love reading, never stop reading. When you know your God is The God of truth, you have nothing to fear when you seek truth, since even if you were wrong, the truth you discovered is still God’s truth and will lead you to a greater knowledge of him.
Why do you need to clarify that it's a lower case "c" in Catholic? If true, reformed theology (specifically its doctrine on predestination) makes the message of the Gospel useless. There are multiple commands in the Bible from God, such as "repent and believe in the Gospel." If irresistable grace is true, then no commands hold weight. They are more like programming than commands. Reformed doctrine on predistination, while I respect its emphasis on the soverighnty of God, rejects the possibility of humans actually being able to love God. And by doing this, I think they limit God and His power, i.e. soverighnty, in thay He is not able to create beings who can truly love Him.
@@33legionyou’ve developed some sort of conception of how “love” works. And if that’s the reason you reject reformed theology. Not even a real theological reason, then that be the weakest argument ever.
@@jermoosekek1101 By rejecting my conception of how love works, it then follows that you have your own. What's your conception? And I wouldn't call it a weak argument either. I'm not claiming to understand how love works, at least in totality, but I think some things about it can be clear. For example, if people are unable to NOT love God (irresistable Grace), then they are no more than mere characters in a book, not actual creation with a will created by God. An argument from love can sound silly at first, but if you keep in mind that "God is love," it doesn't sound as silly anymore.
@@33legion When we say lower case “c” catholic, we are just trying to clarify we are not talking about Catholic as in Rome but the universal church described in the early creeds. I am reformed but I’m still learning and maybe someone else might be able to answer your question better but in my personal opinion it is just a MYSTERY on why God chooses certain individuals for his glory(Jacob,Isaac,Abraham,Moses,David) and rejects or passes over others(Ishmael,Esau,Judas Iscariot,David’s older siblings)
@@YourBoyJohnny94 I think the ones that God rejected still had an oppurtunity to be saved, even if they weren't chosen to glorify God in the ways that David, Abraham, etc. were. Whether or not they were saved, I don't know. My view on predestination is that everyone is the elect, meaning God wills all be saved, but He allows people to reject their election because He wants people to be able to freely hate/love Him.
I'm more progressive United Methodist and was actually impressed by what you just said about staying in church and no perfect church. This is what I don't get about the right. Why is theological uniformity the litmus test for weather you are a Christian? We are all saved by grace through faith. Cognitive assent to doctrines is not what saves you. Why demonize one another. We are called to love one another. The videos I've seen on the UMC are next level cray cray. You would think we are now holding Satanic rituals and origies and somehow the whole church is no longer Christians because we removed a sentence from our discipline book that called out one perceived sin and no others. I couldn't agree more with you on eschatology. I'm amillenial now too. I was raised Pentecostal and I can tell you first hand the rapture doctrine is a huge problem and their is an escapist mentality and not doing anything for our world now. When I was a kid hell was the focus, but later shifted to the rapture being the primary focus.
If you love someone who is an alcoholic would you tell them what they are doing is great and hand them another beer or would you tell them they need to get help?
@@ihiohoh2708 Gays have got that message over and over that most Christians believe homosexuality is a sin... why do some people feel the need to beat a dead horse?
@@ihiohoh2708 I think this is a false equivalency, if your talking about homosexuals, but also a bad example. If you love an alcoholic, you will give them some alcohol until they can properly detox. DT's and withdrawal can kill them because there is a biological and chemical dependency. But I'm also a substance abuse therapist, so lol
