John and Jackie Kennedy meet Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip. Elizabeth Personal Secretary Michael Adeane and his assistant Martin Charteris panic at the lack of adequate protocol and curtsey. Very funny scene.
😂 So right! I won't even get into LBJ and Ladybird. The limericks were great... what I wonder is how HRM and HRH Margaret aged so much between the Kennedy and Johnson administrations (1963-68). Must be all the G&Ts.
@@dannypatrick9361 why would they put pounds of makeup and prosthetics on Gary Oldman, a consummate actor, to portray Winston Churchill? TO MAKE IT CONVINCING.
@@dannypatrick9361 Bro I'm a black man and I look more like JFK than that guy.... It takes you out of the movie when an actor doesn't look like an extremely well recognized historical figure.
Thing is none of this scene is true to real life. So sad people are quick to judge Americans. The President and Mrs Kennedy knew exactly how to behave in diplomatic circles.
This isn't the first time that Jackie "Outshined" someone from Royalty. In the late 1960's she was in Spain at The Bullfighting Races and upstaged Princess Grace Of Monaco. Ironically Aristotle Onassis was at that time one of Monaco's Biggest Investors but there was a Picture of Grace looking adoringly at President Kennedy.
Laminage, Didn't definitely upstage the Queen if that scene is in anyway historically correct. She was also over heard badmouthing the Queen and discussed out loud how tawdry the decure at the palace looked. Also Grace Kelly wasn't royalty by blood.
I think JFK did so intentionally to indenture himself to philip. Make a simple mistake that nobody really cares about (but still is a symbol of defiance of their rules), then admit the mistake graciously.
@Sanctus Paulus 1962 it was not LMAO, already in the 60s america was way more powerful than the Brittish, ever since WWI USA bastly surpassed Britain, a difference that has only increased through time... Jfk was much more powerful than the Queen at that time
Americans: What’s wrong with this? They did nothing wrong British:* British Royal protocols intensifies * Edit: Oof I'm sorry, I dont mean all Americans.
Stephen Eastern Correction: Your Grace is for any non-royal duke, duchess, and any other member of the British aristocracy. You would still address a Royal Duke (any member of the British Royal Family who holds a dukedom, in the case of that time the Dukes Kent and Gloucester, and Windsor) as Your Royal Highness
I love that the Queen's face is a combination of ever so slightly annoyed, surprised, and amused. And then she's gracious enough to go and save Mrs. Kennedy from wherever she's going lol.
You know what is more amusing? That Kennedy took the time to visit the irrelevant royal family from an irrelevant old world country that hasn't seen glory since WWII.
The Kennedy's were children to the American ambassador to Great Britain. Jack had already attended the court of Elizabeth's father. The idea that he wouldn't know royal protocol is beyond ridiculous. Not to mention that Both Jack and his wife were MUCH MORE EDUCATED than Phillip and Elizabeth could ever dream to be.
Well, somehow you DO need to emphasize that unlike her father who was an Emperor, she bears no such imperial title and is thus not an imperial majesty. Fun fact: In german styling "Eure königliche Majestät" or "Your royal majesty" would be entirely correct, if a bit more formal than leaving the "royal" out.
I know it’s not the real Elizabeth but Claire Foy did an awesome Job portraying her. Who ever it is replacing her I wonder if she can captivate me in the same way. Claire raised the bar than any other actress so far as queen.
Pablo M ... The actor replacing Claire Foy as the older Queen is Olivia Coleman who is a particularly fine actor. She most recently played a detective sergeant in the UK drama ' Broadchurch ' series. Interestingly she played Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother in the 2015 film ' Hyde Park ' which described the visit of the King and Queen to the country estate of President and First Lady Roosevelt. I believe she will do justice to the role as Queen Elizabeth.
@@caesaroro2631 Philip made the joke that the Kennedy's are "like" royalty and Elizabeth said very funny because herself and Philip are in fact actual royalty
mariokartexpert1 why is it hilarious? I'm not very good in english, but I would like to know. Could you explain to me, please? If it is not difficult for you, of course😅
Got7&BangTwiceFan well for starters, the horrible jfk accent is just too much for my fragile being. my god. secondly, they're addressing them wrongly. the queen would be "your majesty", and prince phillip would be "your royal highness", thirdly, claire's (who portrays the queen) face at 0:33. i don't know how she kept it together honestly 😂
Given that he had the real power to end the world and she was a pretty face on the rotting corpse of an empire, I'd say everyone in that room knew who made the rules
"Your Grace" is actually the correct way to address a Duke... just not when one is a member of the Royal Family. Prince Phillip, despite being the Duke of Edinburgh, therefore takes the higher status style "Royal Highness."
@@introvert211 She made him Prince of The United Kingdom & not England. England isn't a sovereign country now. And Philip was actually "His Royal Highness Prince Philip of Greece and Denmark" from birth. But he renounced his titles for the marriage with Princess Elizabeth and became Lieutenant Philip Mountbatten. Then, King George VI, father of Elizabeth, made him "His Royal Highness The Duke of Edinburgh". So he was again Royal Highness from his marriage. Later he became Prince of The United Kingdom by the virtue of his wife The Queen.
heavy boss 809 because Claire Foy and Matt Smith are not aging as fast as the series is going on 10 years per season, they have to be replaced by older actors.
Cousin Ant oh dear. Someone has been snorting too much meth I see. My dear old friend , stop that nonsense at once and make an appointment with the doctor as soon as possible. Make haste old champ before it's too late and you lose the few brain cells you have left. Cheerio
I believe "your grace" is proper for a duke, which Phillip is, but being the husband of the Queen (and also a prince) he should have been addressed "your royal highness"
Richard II was the first English king to be styled "your/his majesty", back in 1300. However, the title was dropped after he was overthrown by his cousin, Henry IV (Bolingbroke). The title wasn't used again until the sixteenth century, when Henry VIII adopted it to bring his form of address in line with the French king. So while the first Tudor monarch, Henry VII, would have been "Your grace", the others certainly weren't.
@@elizabethhenry6605 Well wasn't Henry the VIII not the last Tudor king ? As he was succeeded by Jane for some days, then Mary I , Elizabeth I and then it was this son of Mary Stuart called Jacob, who belonged to the house of Stuart and was the first king of Scotland and England combined ? Correct me if I'm wrong
@@DiiAM00NDx3 Henry VIII was the last Tudor King, but by no means the last Tudor monarch (that was Elizabeth I). If we're still discussing styles of address, it was "Your majesty" or "your highness" for all of them. It was King James VI of Scotland/I of England. I've never heard of a Jacob (I'm guessing you were auto-corrected or something when you mentioned a Jacob in your post).
palemoonlight96 It's because Americans are usually clueless when it comes to other traditions and cultures because they're so patriotic they think the world revolves around them
The President’s father was the American Ambassador to Great Britain before WWII. JFK’s sisters were presented at the Court of St. James as teenagers. Jackie attended finishing school and came from a wealthy New England society family. There is no way those two wouldn’t have known and followed the protocol for meeting royalty.
@Trav Well pal, I'm an American myself. I assure you that a number of us are not like that. Unfortunately we have some very loud jerks on the internet and in real life that make us all look bad. Many of us are just ordinary people who want to live peaceful lives and interact normally with other folks. I am sorry to hear about your experience.
@@thunderbird1921 Sheer jealousy. If you look at them, Jackie Kennedy is impeccably dressed and looks very beautiful and chic. The queen looks like she’s wearing an old prom dress from the ‘50s. Mrs. Kennedy had one of the finest educations this world had to offer a woman of her generation and was known to be highly intelligent. The queen had nearly no formal education.
@@ednakelley814 Oh please, stop pretending like you Americans (or at least your ruling elite) are not salivating over every opportunity to be the heroes central to fixing whatever crisis is going in the world at any given time. They LOVE thumping their own chest, threatening military intervention and funding whichever side portrays itself as more `pro-US` in any conflict. So yeah, obviously any time a weak state needs help, they put up your flag everywhere, get on their knees and ask you to be the global heroes/enforcers you all so badly want to be. And to be clear, there´s nothing wrong with that. Mostly (cough Iraq). But don´t pretend like you don´t love doing it.
Nothing more accurately sums up the British-American relationship like this scene... US is the rebellious child whom never listens & does what they want. England/UK are the proper parents. Both shake their heads at each other, but still care for each other.
The Kennedy family lived in England during the 1930's. Joe Kennedy was US ambassador to England. The whole family was well versed on Royal protocol. I say B.S. on specifics of this video, it didn't happen.
Yeah they chose the wrong president family to be dumb.People seem to dumb down jfk these days :/.Also the US president doesn’t have to curtesy I’m sure.
JFK’s father was ambassador to England and his elder sister married into the nobility; he was inculcated in the ways and manners of British high society and this breach of protocol wouldn’t have likely happened in real life.
Looking back I can absolutely say that Olivia Colman and Tobias Menzies did a phenomanal job, all the other actors as well. The transition went so smoothly and their acting and accent is the same as it was portrayed by Claire Foy and Matt Smith in the first two seasons! :) Very happy!
They are meeting a war hero, a symbol of democracy, and the leader of the free world, and all they care about is making sure he remembers the correct protocol. President John F. Kennedy is greater than Queen Elizabeth II ever was.
You don't have to Curtsy if you're not a Royal Subject, especially if you're in a status of equal to the queen (i.e. Other monarch, President, Prime Minister, etc.)
How can people even watch this? This is so inaccurate. JFK's father was the ambassador in England and most of his early life was spent there. His sisters were all presented to King George v and Queen Mary, they attended all sorts of society balls and parties and even mingled with the aristocracy. His sister Kick married the Marquess of Hartington. Jack was friends with the Duchess of Devonshire. As for Jackie, she came from a very sophisticated family of wealthy socialites and her sister married a Polish prince. This is absurd, they would have NEVER made these gaffes!!!!!
British aristocracy make these sorts of gaffs, people who live in England in this sort of world. Being sophisticated is one thing but understanding the specific traditions of a specific place, is another.
Of course being sophisticated is not the same as being acquainted with traditions. However, my main point is this: The creators of the series developed these characters (JFK and Mrs. Kennedy) in a fashion that does not seem to be really similar to their true characteristics. The Kennedys were from early on, social people, and we even have documentation proving that Joseph P. Kennedy and his family met both King George V and King George VI. Jackie was a socialite, she had the gift of pleasing people and we know that she was very polished and polite. She was friends with people like the famous Duchess of Alba, Spain's more aristocratic aristocrat. It seems strange, that such person would be so disrespectful to institutions such as the Royal Household to the point of "not reading the protocol sheet". Sounds very unlikely, as being polite is usually taking others' sensitivities into consideration. Things such as calling Prince Philip "Your Grace" were, in the 60s, regarded as highly disrespectful. Why would the creators of the Crown want to give an erroneous image of the Kennedys? I guess, typecasting Americans...
There are PLENTY of worldly people on the planet who know ZERO about traditions and protocols of other countries. Sophistication is a perspective, nothing more. Unless you were there (which I highly doubt), you have no way of knowing this is inaccurate. Additionally, the Kennedy family at this time has a reputation for being pretty obnoxious, drunkards, and druggies. And not ALL of JFKs sisters were presented, Rosemary Kennedy spent her life in an institution--so right there YOU ARE INACCURATE. Jes' sayin'.
one of the biggest inaccuracies of the series.. JFK was the son of a former ambassador to St James, and Jackie was known for her etiquette, there's no way they'd have been thick enough to stuff up the introductions.
I once met the King of Spain, i refused to addressed him as "his majesty" because i am from a republic that rebelled against Spain. I did call him 'Sir' which I only used before for the person I respect the most in this world: my dad.
I doubt this actually happened. JFK’s father had been the US ambassador to the court of St James in the 1930’s and the family lived in London. I would presume that he would’ve been aware of protocol. Also, as Head of State he was on an equal footing as the queen. Interesting fact, Sydney Mitford, mother of the famous sisters, once predicted at a London party that one day JFK would be president, before the death of his older brother Joseph who at that time was being groomed for the position.
Omg when I saw this, and could not stop laughing!! So good! The show had never made me laugh like that! I liked how the entire episode felt separate from the rest of the season. I showed a friend this episode and now she is watching the show!! So well put together. Thanks for uploading!
The Constitution of the United States of America forbids the government and those who represent it, to recognize any hereditary head of state. It is unconstitutional for any official of the American Republic to acknowledge royalty. An American President and First Lady do NOT curtsey or bow or pay homage.
Its a drama tv show....its not us brits going against america its just creating a tv show... The crown is a mixture of true events and fake ones... also true events with some false things to dramatise it more. Maybe watch the show first
Holy shit, there’s little to no resemblance of JFK at ALL. Most of the characters in the shown are almost spot on with the actors they chose, but the lack of JFK’s iconic droopy eyes just makes me feel unnerving.
This is some seriously lazy filmmaking here, which I wouldn't have expected from "The Crown". I doubt that the Kennedys would have been so clueless about decorum. In our supposedly "classless" society, they were as close to nobility as we Americans get. JFK's sister Kathleen married a British nobleman (the Marquess of Hartington), and Jackie's sister Lee married a Polish one (Prince Stanisław Radziwiłł). Jack's father was Ambassador to the Court of St. James in the years running up to WWII, which means that he and the young Elizabeth had actually met before the scene depicted here. Jackie came from a wealthy family, went to fancy private schools, and was "Debutante of the Year" in 1947. I actually had to do a little anthropological reading (Wikipedia) to appreciate what that means--apparently a "society debut" involves a lot of protocol, introductions, and--yes--executing a perfect curtsy known as the "St. James bow" or "full court bow." Jackie was privileged enough to understand and be self-conscious about the things that made her a slight misfit in high society--like being Catholic and having divorced parents--and, I imagine, that would have made her even MORE diligent about minding her P's and Q's. My last quibble here is about the atrocious accents. Hint to British producers, directors and actors: there are different kinds of American accents, so it's important to do a little homework, or the result will be as laughable as having the Queen speak like Benny Hill ("hey, they're both English, right?"). The accents of people from the elites of New England or Southhampton have a particular sound, which is NOT reproduced by the actors playing Jack and Jackie here.
Its a tv show.. a drama.... things are true and some arent.... aswell as some things are true but with some little extra things that are false to dramatise it more...
@Legendary xXTOTalxmaGICXx, I've actually seen the whole episode--the trope runs throughout it, and it goes beyond comedy (JFK as a wife beater? Give me a f---ing break.)
@Legendary xXOTalxmaGICXx, of course it's a drama. Clearly you didn't understand my comment that I understand the concept of artistic license. 😜 But, I repeat, it is lazy dramatization that relies on two-dimensional characterizations that evoke an eye-roll rather than laughter (if humor was indeed what was being attempted), and, I criticize it only because the production values of this series are so high, otherwise. The illusion of verisimilitude is one of the hallmarks of good drama, and this episode was just one big cliche.
theres much about this series that is so over-the-top & hyped-up drama its unreal. But nowhere near as absurd as that recent Judie Dench Queen Victoria movie. Lawd have mercy what a load of hogwash........
I really doubt that it did. Kennedy's father was ambassador to Great Britain and one of his sisters married a titled Englishman. It seems unlikely that he would be that ignorant. Jackie grew up in a world where etiquette was everything so it is unlikely she would go into that situation unprepared. They must be thinking of another President.
Stephanie Osborne my same thought, so I do not understand the reason of these mistakes in the script, they seem on purpose because all the other details and historical references are very accurate
Stephanie Osborne I thought the same thing...JFK and Jackie both were high society and wouldn’t have been that unprepared. This scene, while fun to watch, is my only real complaint about the series. I wish they would have written it more gracefully.
If you make up stupid rules, you can't get mad when other people don't bother to follow them. Getting irked that Americans don't honor all of the silliness of dealing with nobles is like getting mad at someone else for eating some food while YOU are on a diet. (except somehow even more ridiculous)
Matt Smith: so Mr President, remember that highschool bully? Kenedy: why yes... why? *wind starts blowing inside the room* Smith: let’s pay him a visit
Given the storyline they wrote for the Kennedys I really think they didn't really do anything.they just wrote a story line that's traumatic and just didn't give a damn about research or any amount of trying for the Kennedys. They decided to get a couple actors who are talented and that's it. They didn't really try they didn't give a dang
I think they two men were very similar and naturally bonded. JFK commanded a PT Boat and Prince Phillip Destroyers during the war. Both types of commands were similar (initiative, aggression and bravery).
I don't think the First Lady should curtsy to a foreign monarch. Would a queen have been expected to do so? The US policy should be that the president and first lady is equal in precedence to a royal couple.
Joseph p Kennedy was the ambassador to the court of at james. Jack Kennedy spent some years in London. He’d know what to call the sovereign and a royal prince.
they know she's going to greet Jackie. In the ugliest dress on the planet, then or now. Jackie's dress was inappropriate and looked like she whipped it up on the singer...
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