When a man dies, it is sad. All of us will die one day. In this case, it is Logan who has done so. Logan was alive for 84 years. But no more. Now he is dead. Logan’s wife is Marcia. They were married for some amount of years. Now she is sad.
“And so the tortured relationship between a father and his children ends appropriately, with Kendall, Shiv, and Roman speaking into the ear of a man who isn’t listening” - Scott Tobias
'I love you, but you are not serious people' were the final words that Logan spoke to his children last episode. Rewatching the Karaoke lounge scene after this episode hits different, you can see it was purposefully designed to be their last time together.
It was a really smart decision by the producers to only have Logan appear in the first couple minutes of the episode while the main focus of the episode was following the Roy kids trying to handle a big part of their world dying. The wave of emotions and interactions with each other was a pretty accurate portrayal of people trying to cope when receiving horrible news. Phenomenal acting by everyone.
I know most people hate Connor but him retracting his statement as soon as he sees his siblings' reaction - that's some big brother shit. He's constantly the neglected child and sibling, who really doesn't have anyone to turn to but is there for others. Yes he's delusional and downright ridiculous but I'd go as far as to say, he's the most innocent.
The delusion is sad because he had his mom ripped from him as a child and all he got was cake and siblings who would never fully appreciate him Roman is the only one who tries but is incapable of being sensitive enough to say what he means, then there’s Kendall “I’m the eldest boy none of you know what it’s like to be promised something then it’s gone” Conner was promised a loving mother then just gone, it’s a safety bubble for Conner not blissful ignorance he knows to an extent he’s delusional about how the real world works because I doubt Logan taught him, Roman says to let him in on the conversations his money is involved in it and Kendall needs his power trip so he objects everytime
@@sharkeyflor F**ked their father. Tried to bully her way into a job she wasn't good enough for. And, worst of all, she insulted abd threatened Greg when he tried to tell her the truth.
I had the same reaction as Rana when it aired! Until they showed his body I totally thought it was a ploy. Which reaffirms how ruthless Logan was that we expected him to pull some type of sick joke like that.
FYI - the official episode that Kieran Culkin submitted to the Emmy’s and won for was episode nine, “Church and State.” He’s excellent the entire season but if you thought he was good here, just brace yourself.
i felt so bad for connor this whole ep. i get that the kids were in the midst of a horrible event but when shiv wasn’t in the room roman and kendall thought of shiv and went to go get her but NOBODY thought of connor AT HIS OWN WEDDING until afterwards. he never got to say goodbye to his dad but they did and they didn’t even feel bad about it after. i kinda wish the writers would’ve let connor be furious because of that
It's wild that he's the eldest sibling but has middle child syndrome. I wish the show explored him more, especially his upbringing and why he's the most distant from everyone else. Reminds me of Fredo from Godfather moving to Vegas.
Succession has been winning Emmys but this season cemented it as a HBO all timer. They won best series since S2 and Kendall, Shiv, Roman, Tom have swept!
Easily one of the best episodes of TV ever made. It’s incredible. And I say that as a Brit who got the death spoiled over breakfast before I’d had a chance to watch it! The acting is astonishing & mark mylod’s directing here was masterful. I assume you’ve watched the behind the scenes where they talk about filming the whole boat sequence in one take the last time and it’s like a 25 min take. Just incredible. I’d also recommend watching the Vanity Fair video with Mylod breaking down the direction. He says that when Kendall looks for Shiv they didn’t tell Jeremy where Sarah would be located, so him looking around searching for her is completely real. Little touches like that really elevate this show.
Connor is a deceptively deep character. He lost his mother to suicide and clearly it was Logan's fault. But Connor knows enough to never say this, so his disconnect from the business is his way of getting out away from the toxic element of his family while still enjoying the lifestyle.
I mean Frank was fired at one point and Gerri was just about to be. Logan surrounds himself with people like that, so its no wonder they are cold and thinking about themselves first. No one on that plane actually cares about him. There all his yes man. Even tom who said logan is his 'protector', not his father in law.
Truly the most realistic acting I've seen of characters hearing about the death of a loved one. I was crying this whole episode when it aired and even some more during this reaction. It wasn't in response to Logan's death, but all in the realistic performances of each family member. It forced me to think of when I lost my big brother who was also my best friend. I vividly remember being called out of school and brought home without knowing why. My parents were emotional but didn't say anything until all of my siblings were together and they told us all what happened. The rest of the day was us being in disbelief, shock, crying, eventually getting some sleep hoping it was all just a bad dream. While it's not nice having to relive that moment, it's absolutely a testament to this shows brilliant writing and performances!
What I like in the future episodes, and even in this one it was visible, is that we will see Karl, Gerri, and even Frank as the people they are. Not some side characters comic reliefs, but experienced corporate officers, who withour Logan can be savage. It is often not noticed, but if you work with someone like Logan for 20+ years, you get his trust and respect, and that means that you are not only competent, but also mean AF.
i think logan in a way did show signs that he wasnt his normal self. letting his side piece audition to be on air, complaining about that one guy on his network when he was up at like 3am watching tv, him going into the office, even him saying sorry to the kids. thats why the kids didnt buy it, they thought it was a play by logan but if they knew he wasnt well they wouldve seen it different. when theyre watching the audition tape kendall even says that its a sign of his dads mental health. and thats the crazy part too that kendall saw this coming since season one, he was seeing the signs and kept trying to warn everyone but no one in the family would listen to him.
Gerri wasn't just upset about the firing. She had as recently as the penultimate episode of s3 been warding off a harassment case caused entirely by Rome, and the brunt of it fell on her. Time and time, she looked out for him and he threw her under the bus (including the coalition with his siblings after basically being mentored and guided by her- his plan btw). Gerri has been in the company for decades, and the humiliation she went through: she also needs time and space to process it. It's a lot for any person, especially a woman who worked for Logan.
Tough Succession episode. Makes me wonder how I’ll react when I lose someone I love unexpectedly. Shiv’s goodbye hit me the most in the feels. All the actor’s did a phenomenal job for this episode
I watched behind the scenes of this episode recently. In the scene where Kendall is walking around the reception looking for Shiv, the director placed Shiv’s actress randomly in the scene, and didn’t tell Kendall’s actor where to find her. So when he’s walking around stressed looking for her, he is genuinely trying to find her and meet his cues. There’s so much great production in the episode.
The way the kids found out was almost too real. Gave me the same feeling I've had when I learned about someone close to me dying. The abruptness, disbelief, shock... What an episode of tv.
Terminal lucidity is what happens when someone feels completely pumped up before dying. Maybe the body knows it's the end and elevates hormones and other chemicals to increase energy levels and mood. Like a last breath before the actual one.
@27:40: Nikki is accurate. In French, this brief stage is called ‘rebond’, literally ‘rebound’. 2-3 days before death, some patients seem to be regaining energy. Their condition and vital stats improve before crashing again. It is also called ‘terminal lucidity’ or’pre-mortem surge’.
Part of what makes Logan's death so shocking (and therefore so realistic) is where it's placed in the series. The first THIRD of the THIRD episode in the final season of the show. It's one of the most unlikely places you would ever expect the death of a main character to happen. Most shows would do it either as a season finale or a season premier to set the tone for the rest of the season. Some shows put it at the mid-season point. And it almost always happens either at the very beginning or very end of an episode. But to have the balls to run three full seasons with a main character, give him two episodes of the last season, establish a storyline for him, open the third episode with him being completely fine, THEN kill him off before even the halfway point of that episode-not even the end of the episode, but the HALFWAY point-is just next-level subversion. This show's writing and storytelling was off the charts.
How sad is it that When Logan collapsed, our collective reaction was "Is this Real?" " They could be lying" .. because THAT is the time of pathetic human being he can be to put his kids through this just to make a point. And on top of that, his last words to them was "You are not serious people".
Because the show is never explicit about that. This is the first I'm learning about it. Roman and Shiv's relationship makes it seem like she's the older of the two
@@LaCheeserie Shiv being the youngest. It isn't written into the show and was never decided in the writers room. An Hbo press page accidentally described Shiv as the youngest and then Jesse Armstrong sort of agreed when asked about it in an interview because Kieran Culkin is older than Sarah Snook.
Such a good commentary from the Normies about the grief and that there are no wrong ways to express it. Actually, Kerry's reaction is also very realistic. I've seen many times that people might smile or even hysterically laugh when something heavy and sudden like this happens.
Point of clarification - Roman is not the youngest child, Shiv is. Her nickname is "Pinky", which is a reference to the pinky finger, the fourth finger. She is Logan's fourth child. Shiv definitely seems a lot more mature than Roman, but she is in fact the baby of the family.
So many people show NO SYMPATHY for Kerry. They have no idea how they’d react to such sudden grief. All these plans she had, all these ideas, snatched away in one cold instance of brutal reality. Of course she’s in shock.
I'm 34 and haven't experienced any loss from close family or friends. My grandparents died before I was born. But my dad will be 84 and my mom 72. This episode hit me hard because I'll inevitably experience something like this within the next few years.
You have to imagine that all the people (aside from Tom and Carrie) who were on the plane with Logan were the people he probably spent the most time with in his entire lifetime. It’s like the circle fully closed.
Obviously all of the performances in this episode are amazing, and the Roy kids in particular, but man did Matthew Mcfadyen crush it in this one. Related: obviously the kids aren’t going to be focused on how Tom is feeling so I get them not asking, but OF COURSE it was Greg, and only Greg, who cared enough about him to ask if he was ok. Greg is really the only person in this entire circle who truly cares about Tom.
Lost my mother about two weeks ago -- it was expected and peaceful, in home hospice. But yeah, this ep just kills it using all the different characters to show the different emotions and reactions that crash through your head while a death is actually happening. I mean, at the time, I was outwardly playing "the Tom", right down to setting up final phone calls for my siblings. But inside my head there was definitely a Shiv ("I can't be having this!"} and Roman ("Well, we don't actually *know*") and a Karolina ("Okay, these are the practical things that we have to do now") and Chuckles Kerri definitely wandered through my headspace a few times. Also, the question of "what room should I be in?" was really hard to process. Do I leave the body unattended until the undertakers come? Do I just sit next to my dead parent? I ended up just wandering in and out constantly.
Yeah like Rana. I didn't believe it until they showed the chest compressions. Thought they were gonna put him in a bed and have his kids forgive him but they didn't even forgive him when he actually died
In terms of Connor and Willa, they actually have probably the healthiest and most stable relationship in the series and I do believe there’s real love there! The show is kind of about whether or not the love between all of these people is unconditional or transactional with most of them knowing it’s transactional but lying to themselves in wanting to believe it’s unconditional. For Connor and Willa, the basis of their relationship is transactional so that actually makes it quite refreshing because they don’t have to hide that. It’s easy to call Willa a golddigger and think Connor is the only one providing something in their relationship but truly I don’t think Connor can do better than Willa because I think Willa is a quality woman! And she treats him well and with respect which is something he doesn’t get from his other family members and she provides him with a look of stability and power because he has a hot partner. And then yes obviously Willa benefits from feeling secure money wise and provided for. They might not be “in love” but there is genuine love and respect between them I fully believe that.
*Logan makes Roy fire a woman who was receiving unsolicited nudes from him*' Pat: "Well I guess that's good, making him face his mistakes... you guys are missing my point" ????????
I also didn't believe it was real either when Logan died, I was literally like "Come on Logan, that's a very low stunt the day of your son's wedding". It show how well written and well played his character was.
33:54 on the Gerri discussion, I understand all the feedback, but I’d say Gerri probably feels, correctly that the d pics Roman sent her weaken her position and how Logan saw her. Plus Waystar as a company I’m sure is not understanding of employees with family situations, including deaths. I know the stories of professors not letting student make up exams for funerals, companies expecting people to come in for shifts even when the employee has had a death in the family,.
This episode is very realistic and the kids complex emotions about their father, even though they loved him. After they watched the rest of the season, Logan dying was necessary.
Ohh boy I am waiting for the finale, it’s gonna be awesome. IMO a top 5 finale of all time better than Breaking Bad, The Sopranos and The Wire finale for sure
Speaking of Gerri and her reaction, remember how we left Rome and her in the S3 finale: at this point their relationship is already broken (and, unfortunately, she was the first one to massively betray their little mole woman & a rock star duet). What I'm trying to say is, on the day of Connor's wedding, they are already on the outs, so it was probably very hard for her to show him compassion. I'm not sure if she wanted to at all.
