THE LAST 2-STROKE 50cc SCOOTER! - Roughhouse R50 Sport from Genuine Scooter Company 

Yeah, this bike reminds me a lot of the Cobra. 2-stroke, disc up front, drums in the rear, oil injection, 200+ lbs bike, under seat storage, etc.

Loved My Cobra too.With very few mods I was able to cruise at around 40-45 mph. (roller weights, smooth bushing, aftermarket pipe)

That's why I'm hanging on to 01 Kymco Super 9 liquid cooled 50..

That’s one major positive. I can ride for 95 miles, spend 90 seconds filling it up, then ride for 95 more. No 4-6 hours downtime waiting on a charge to finish

Never say never... and that applies to me too. Maybe someday I'd ride a 50cc scooter interstate and need to add more miles in one day, and it's true I think this is cool and I'd take one right now if I could. On the other hand, we may not have ebikes right now that can replace this (arguably we have had standing scooters for years that can go this fast and have other benefits, depending on how long you're willing to stand up), but an eBike/eMoped or eScooter in the near future might change the game. Right now, their range is mostly short inter-city hops and you wouldn't want to go long range with them... but the Tesla charger plug has just been ratified as standard as the fuel pump nozzles at gas stations for gas cars, so it will be easy to find a place to charge on the go and recharging times are just a couple minutes (remember, scooter batteries won't need as much time as Tesla because the batteries are smaller). There's also an effort to standardize seated eScooter batteries, and to set up a network of swap-stations where a subscriber can trade an empty battery for a charged one, a process that sort of looks like a large vending machine (this already exists in other countries embracing new tech faster than America). In the not so distant future, solid state batteries have been created in lab conditions, and the demand for super fast charging, high capacity, super safe, lightweight batteries is so high that this emerging tech is definitely going to be brought to scale. Their recharging time may equal or surpass gas refueling times, while also providing the other benefits EV proponents already rave about. So long as we don't drive like Prius owners, am I right?

That's true, gas scooters are cool. Except when they quit and you have to push them home because you can't pedal them, then they're kind of embarrassing.

You need insurance and a license plate/can't ho off road

I agree, i dont know why they dont make more 2 strokes now days. I just dont understand how people think 4 stroke is so mucj better. Really id rather have a 2 stroke anyday, all day if i had a choice betweeen 2 and 4 stroke.

I'm a bit worried about the speeds of other cars (two turns from my street, there's a street running alongside a park with a 25 mph speed limit where people regularly drive 40 mph and sometimes 50mph), and I'm not sure our garage can fit both a scooter and a car, but I only drive up to 5 miles from home most of the time (grocery, friends, family). I think if I could reliably reach 35mph, I wouldn't constantly have trucks trying to tailgate or run me off the road (they did NOT like me trying to ride my road bike!).

I just got the r50 sport today and I also live in ct, I gotta say it's awesome. I got some pretty big hills by me and it can hold 25 30 mph if the hill is really big. Also the acceleration it's amazing

Is $1k worth it for a used 2021 R50? I saw one on sale and am looking for opinions on those who’ve had one or are more familiar w scooters than I am. It has 430 miles if that’s relevant

@Friddle Fries double check everything but yea thats great, I just spent 2600 before tax for mine brand new. Also long as it's good you'll be fine. Just make sure it's got a title all the plastics and a key

That would be a classic to have today

@@KevCentral tell me about it. Probably the most reliable vehicle I ever owned.

LECTRIC IS THE BEST! ❣

How accurate is the speedometer? I had a 2002 Metropolitan. The top speed on the speedometer would sometimes reach 41 mph. If it were off by 5 mph, that would mean it was only going 36 mph. I didn't have a cell phone with GPS speed tracking back then.

My last scoot was a Vespa 300. It would do almost 80 on the same size wheels 😁 Edit: have you seen the NEW rattler?

@@KevCentral I have; it has a. . .unique look.

Maybe, at age 77 (Imperial, not Metric), I still haven't learned that I'm mortal, because I ride a 2018 Buddy 50, a Kawasaki Ninja 400 and a Honda Grom, but only one at a time...

Those were awesome

Do you mean the Rattler 110?

Congrats on the new scoot!

@@KevCentral Thanks!

The speedos are overly optimistic, but even with an optimistic speedo the roughhouse is speedy compared to 4-stroke 50s 👍🏼 Edit: thanks for subscribing

I own an 04 zuma. Basically the same bike as this roughhouse sans faux carbon fiber and slightly more modern looks. Youll have a blast!

Puch Maxi= classic. When I was a kid one of the neighbor kids had a Razz. He crashed it into a car. Hurt him, not the Razz, so all us neighborhood kids closed in like Vultures to ride it while he was laid up 😈. Great summer for us. Less so for him 🙃

Lol

The Roughhouse sold here is restricted from the factory but they can be derestricted and then they'll go as fast

35 mph with the restrictor on, so it can probably hit 42 mph derestricted.

Did you do the work all by yourself. How hard was it, I'm pretty handy and work on all my own cars. Just wondering if an above average do-it-yourselfer like me can create a similar build.

If you didn't know the Polini secondary final drive gear up kit would fit the Genuine 2 Strokes. If im not mistaken the final drive is 11.5 to 1 on buddy 50 the polini secondary would bring it down to 9.9 to1 or 9.5 ratio depending what kit you buy

There are hills in kiwi?

The difference is the Navi can hold 40mph where keeping the roughhouse spinning that fast isn’t sustainable

@@KevCentral very true- I’m still very impressed with how it performed on your test ride for a 50cc. You should get a NAVI review in on the Channel- they are a great value for the price. Big fan of your content- keep it up 👍

What year?

@@KevCentral It is a 2012, I think that is the first year the 4 stroke was offered. On a different topic, I have a Jasion EB7 ebike. Have they ever asked you to review one? I would like to know what you would think.

Jasion sent me an email, but I decided against a review after looking over their site. On the Zuma, when you say “it cuts off at 40” I’m assuming you’re going by the speedo for mph readings. Correct? I’ve always liked the Zuma 125, and almost bought one on many occasions, but always ended up with a Vespa. By the time I decided it was Zuma time they had changed the body style. I like the pre-2016 design much better than the last two iterations.

@@KevCentral Yes that is the indicated speed on the Zuma. I didn't look at the Jasion site, I purchased the bike on Amazon - so some buyer protection. They always seem to have just 5 in stock, so "buy soon". I like the EB7 but it does have some down points like the mickey mouse 7 speed and run out of peddle. Of the 5 PAS settings only PAS 1 and PAS 2 are useful for me at 12 mph and 15 mph ( indicated ).

My zuma 49cc 2017? Hit 50 mph coming straight from the dealer. I bet they didn’t take off your restrictor...

I plan on keeping it stock to make it as reliable as possible

@@KevCentral I would at least derestrict it though which is an easy procedure

ALSO THE FUEL ... I USE I AV FUEL.. THEY BOTH RUN FANTASTIC 👍

The ruckus is probably the most modded scooter in history. Love em

I’m thinking about buying one Do you recommend it?

@@chevyseller2008 absolutely. I purchased mine because they discontinued the Yamaha zuma.

Awesome I’m getting it on Tuesday! Do you recommend getting anything extra when I pick it up that I might need?

@@chevyseller2008 I would purchase the two-stroke oil there there's different kinds now. And maybe a spare spark plug. Mine's two years old no issues.

Ok thanks Jeff!

😂

Small 2-strokes can last a loooong time if you don’t keep them redlined. There are fewer moving parts in a 2-stroke engine. The reason I went with a 50cc was to avoid the temptation to ride a small 2-wheeler in traffic. On a bike I can ride in bike lanes or on sidewalks 😁

The attraction of the small scooters is, price and lesser licensing regulation. The four stroke cheap Chinese scooters (gy6) don't tend to have oil filters anyway. Their life is limited. After 5,000 miles you'll need a replacement, but keep the old one for parts. The larger sizes you mention are delving into the realm of motorcycles.

@@KevCentral my 2009 Gilera Runner 50(Piaggio Hi-Per2 engine) is redlined all the time, has 74 000 km/46 000 miles and still has original piston and cylinder, i use the cheapest 2t oil, i'm the first owner and do all the maintenance by myself since first day

There are small frame and large frame scooters. Check out the higher cc scoots. Many of them have larger frames

It’s the long charge times are the hold back for electric vehicles. That should change as technology improves, but the logistics of charging vs refueling will keep ICE as the dominant transportation until then, IMO.

E-bikes that go 45mph? That should just be an electric scooter or motorcycle. Why do you think such a vehicle should be classified a E-Bike, so you can take it on a bike path???

Thanks. IMO, the roughhouse isn’t exactly the smoothest riding scooter over bumps. Coming from a series of Vespa scooters it isn’t in the same league smooth ride wise. Is the Sport shock better than the std. I would say yes, but only because it is slightly tunable with the adjuster.

@@KevCentral Kev .. Thanks for your honest opinion. Just wondering.. Which is more expensive, a Roughhouse or a Vespa?? Just kidding .. I know, the Vespa is more expensive. Seems like the R-house has everything that I like, except for the smooth ride. Comfort is such a big deal to me that I may hafta go with the Vespa. I don't know much.. but I did some limited research and like you said .. I understand that the Roughhouse has bit of a rough ride. Thanks for taking the time to give me some good info.. Best of luck to you and thanks again. One last question.. Do you know, which has a ride better, smoother ride, a Vespa 50 or 125?? Or are they about the same?

My experience with modern Vespa bikes is the larger the frame gets the smoother the ride.

@@howlingwolf125y You might want to check out one of the Wolf scooters that are Zuma clones, they are larger with a longer wheelbase and will ride much better, and they can be had in either 50 or 150 variants (4 stroke) Of course, you can always hop up the 50 to make it a stealth ride

@@blazeorangeandcamo Thanks buddy.. I have heard of the Wolfs.. You think the Wolfs ride better/smoother than the Roughouse? Also are the Wolfs reliable?

Those don’t come preinstalled anymore. The restriction devices (2 of them) are in a bag under the seat from the factory. Dealers have to install them if they want to sell it restricted. Interestingly, I still see a lot of dealers offering “derestriction service” on new Roughhouse scooters for $70+

@@KevCentral Sounds like dealers for you.

I haven’t looked at statistics, but I would assume so if for no other reason that weight and that scooters are titled and registered. At some point they would get pulled over for no tag (in my state)

What speed roads?

I like the Liberty for a 125/150. IMO, it’s a bit big for a small 50cc. Piaggio is great. All the benefits of a Vespa - just with a plastic body instead of metal.

That’s the bike rebranded by Genuine as the Rattler 110. It’s very close, but the 110 (US version) had an exposed headset. Ironically, they limited the 110 for US market so much that being 110cc didn’t equate to much better performance. Yours being the PGO variant might get all the benefits of a higher cc 2-stroke

In my state a motorcycle license and insurance is required

NC 50cc sub 30mph (restricted) just be 16 and have liability insurance, no license at all. Each state is different.

In colorado anything under 50cc (these minarelli 2 strokes qualify) doesnt require a motorcycle license and costs a whopping 6 dollars for a 3 year tag. AAAND you can use bike lanes if you want and park on sidewalks. Win/ Win.

That’s the bike it is. Just branded and with some trim level adjustments for Genuine branding

@@KevCentral im glad its continued since the PMX was stopped being produced by PGO in like 2016 or something (idk exactly when). Did this brand possibly by out PGO or atleast a portion of it? Because there are no new PGO scooters after 2018 after they Were bought out by i dont know who.

Indicated on Speedo, probably, but GPS will show that it’s not actually 47. Flat ground - hills don’t count

Same bike just different year. The only thing I think they’ve changed over the past few years is the color options

@@KevCentral gotcha

Has anyone checked the VIN to see if it indicates when the scooter was built? I've been wondering if they are just selling all the old stock until they are gone or they are in fact still building new 2 strokes.

I’m a stickler for factory stuff, so Genuine Scooter Company 2T and Genuine’s gear oil

Lots and lots

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