The Last Jedi - How Comedy Can Kill A Movie 

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It s like Luke finding his parents burned to death and him to be like "oh well i guess 2 Suns arent really healthy for your skin"

As Yoda is dying... Luke: Is Vader my father? Yoda: Yes, but tell you about Joe, I must Luke: Who's Joe? Yoda: Joe mama lol *dies*

I argued this point for a while. Star Wars was a serious film with some comedy, now it's a comedy with some seriousness. It fails

ROTS: Anakin gets crippled by Obi-Wan George’s Version: “You were my brother Anakin!” Disney’s Version: “Looks like you’re half the man you were before”

Bathos shouldn't exist in Star Wars. There's really no space for it (no pun intended). It's like after Anakin kills the younglings a clone comes outta nowhere and is like, "oh well at least they aren't orphans anymore." And Thomas the train music come out as the scene ends.

They went "MCU comedy" on this movie too hard.

"Execute Order 66." "Right sir, right after I eat this taco." Written and Directed by Rian Johnson.

The only time someone laughed during TLJ in my cinema was when Kylo was shirtless and a gay guy in the audience said aloud 'oooooooohhh' and everybody had a chuckle with him.

Disney: "well if inserting a joke in every scene works for Marvel, then it'll definitely work with Star Wars!"

I had to wait 2 years to see Luke throwing his lightsaber.

One of my least favorite jokes played for laughs in The Last Jedi is Finn waking up. I remember seeing The Force Awakens and really wanted to know what would happen to Finn, where he would wake up, if he would panic about Rey not being there, him running off to find her. Nope, he just kind of wandered around the ship in a daze leaking water out of his suit for laughs.

One of the Jokes in The Last Jedi is *literally* taken Straight from SpaceBalls. The scene where they're arrested for illegal Parking.

Bathos. The jumpscares of comedy.

So far, "Rogue One" is the only Disney Star Wars movie where the humor actually enriches the movie instead of being an awkward distraction. Probably because almost all the jokes were given to the antisocial robot instead of dispersed evenly among the characters to make them all goofballs.

Obi Wan screams at Anakin at the end of their duel "Those younglings were short enough, you didn't have to cut them shorter!"

Funny how twitter is "canceling" the actors for saying they didnt like making this movie, not the fans, but the actors themselves. Insane.

The whole movie feels like a troll by someone who hates Star Wars and deliberately wants to wreck it.

When luke throws the lightsaber over his shoulder. Thats when i knew i wasnt gonna like the movie

They repeated the same mistake with The Rise Of Skywalker oh my god

Just wanna have my 2c about that Private Ryan moment. Ryan starts the scene with his commander Capt Miller (Hanks) by lamenting how he cant remember much about his brothers. The tone is somber and sad. Hanks tells him it helps to remember them in context. Damon starts relaying the account with the barn and pretty soon the details are flowing out of him like it happened yesterday. The humor and levity come barrelling out of Damon faster than he can control it and the entire monologue is a rapid comedy of errors. You can almost see Miller realizing he shouldn't have opened this door of Ryan's memories and reality catches up with Ryan as he suddenly realizes that was the last time he saw his brothers and they're all dead now. The power of the scene is the flood of emotion Ryan could not control.

"how comedy kills EVERY disney movie that shouldn't be a comedy" honestly, disney just can't handle sincerity of any kind these days so they undercut their own storytelling CONSTANTLY with these kinds of jokes. i hate it so much.

Star wars tried to pull a Marvel and it failed miserably

Audience in the theater: (laughing) Me in the theater: (crying)

I've never known a movie be made with such joyful destruction. It as if they crafted it to be awful. What worries me is that somehow not everyone sees it...

I call it the Marvel effect. It works in comic book movies, it doesn't really work in Star Wars. Just my opinion.

When Attack of the Clones has a more consistent tone, you know you're doing something wrong.

The best use of bathos i've seen is as a way of "concluding" a serious or emotional scene, such that the audience - who have been given the proper amount of time to process the emotion of a scene - is given the chance to emotionally "resurface". The timing of bathos, in this way, must be perfect, and the gag must not be too exaggerated. An excellent example of this can be found in the anime "Time of Eve", which is about a near-future society where robots and humans co-exist as servant and master. The "Time of Eve" is a unique cafe where it's not possible to tell who is an android and who is human (as the androids remove their identifying markers), and the cafe requires that everyone treat each other as equals, The scene in question pertains to a teenage boy learning a truth about his old family robot. He has long since believed that, when he was a young child, the robot was reprogrammed to no longer care about him, causing him long-term emotional distress and a giving him an ingrained dislike of robots. In this scene, though, the robot becomes obliged - through "Three Laws" directives - to reveal that it never stopped caring about him. The robot was just ordered by the boy's father to act as if it didn't, because the father was concerned that his son was becoming too attached to this robot. Because it was obliged to follow the father's orders, the robot acted as if it no longer cared about the boy. Only in this moment - where the boy's emotional distress at the robot's apparent "betrayal" was poised to cause him harm - was the robot finally able to reveal the truth: that the robot had always cared about him, but was unable to express it. When the boy - now in his late teens - is told this, he breaks down, hugging the robot and telling it that he's sorry he ever doubted it. The other characters watch tearfully as the two hug it out. The audience is allowed time to empathise with the feelings present in the scene. When the boy recovers enough to stop crying, he says that he and the robot need to go home to deal with everything that's been revealed, their mutual bond renewed. However, when the pair move to leave, the robot - which moves on hidden wheels, like a Roomba - is unable to climb the stairs. It bounces impotently off the bottom step, while the other characters look on, bemused. Someone out of shot asks how it even got down the stairs in the first place. Another voice replies that he "carried it down". This is a really, _really_ good example of how to use bathos. It allows the characters, and the audience, to fully process the scene, allowing it the "cool down" gradually and organically. Then, once this emotional peak has been cleared, humour is used - in a restrained and tasteful way - to allow the audience to "move on" from the strong emotion present earlier in the scene. That scene's just stayed with me for years because of how well it juxtaposes intense emotions with humour. It just works so well.

The scene where Po prank calls the dude caused me to almost walk out, I remember thinking "Uh-oh, I'm not gonna be able to sit through this".

Han Solo's "Boring Conversation Anyway" is a perfect example of how Star Wars can use humour, as it's part of his character

I'm shocked you didn't mention the moment Luke milked that alien creature on the island and took a swig of it. Definitely was played for laughs but was just 100% awkward.

Biggs: Luke, at that speed will you be able to pull out in time? Luke: LAMAO that’s what she said! :3

I liked the last Jedi well enough in my first viewing, except the fight between Kylo and Luke at the end. This is Luke's final act. The main character who started the whole series is sacrificing himself to save the rebellion, and Kylo Ren is going insane after seeing the teacher who ruined his life. This should be deadly serious. And then, he survives an impossible amount of laser fire and brushes off his shoulder like it was nothing. THIS IS NOT THE TIME FOR COMEDY.

The scene that sticks out for me, as an example of your discussion, is Rey happily shouting she likes being in the Falcon's gunner seat at the end of the movie. She's just been through an ordeal with Snoke and witnessed the deaths of many of the resistance and now is taking delight in shooting down enemy pilots.

This movie made me angry on a level that goes beyond spiritual.

Can’t agree more. When Poe talks about the general’s mother i just wanted to cry… since when the enemy in star wars is a joke? The empire was terrifying, the emperor, vader, maul, Doku… all scary enemies. Yes, han, Obi wan could make some jokes once in a while to lower the tension of the scene, but none of them broke the scenes

I remember when a spaceship came down and it looked a lot like an iron, as it turns out, it was an iron. I was baffled because it did not seem like an appropriate joke in a mostly serious movie. It just took me out of the move and made me think of why they would use that "joke"

I think Ron Howard is right. Star Wars always had humor, not jokes

Star Wars Fans: Jar Jar Binks is the worst character of all time Ryan Johnson: Hold my beer...

YES! That was my exact feeling from the very beginning of the movie. The comedy was so out of place it was jarring. I hated the scene w/ Luke tickling Rey's hand, it destroyed the importance of what was supposed to be happening.

the difference is that scene in django was funny

The steaming iron thingy transition is SO spaceballs. Spot on.

I don't think comedy _killed_ The Last Jedi, per se, but it certainly made the corpse stink all the more.

"This is not Space Balls" is something the creators o the sequels should've taken to heart

How many years has it been since this film came out? I still haven’t stopped hating this movie.

Here’s what I think is the difference between the jokes in The Last Jedi and the jokes in the original movies: people in real life joke around. This happens in the original. However, in The Last Jedi, they don’t joke, they TELL jokes. The humor is made for the audience, not for the characters around them like when people actually joke. In the last jedi, “Let the wookie win” would’ve been after a pause and then cut to next scene, aka a joke by the script. In the original, “Let the wookie win” is in a conversation, aka a joke by C3P0.

comedy makes you laugh. last jedi has no comedy. but still the movie was a joke.

"if they had comedic line after comedic line, that could have worked, too." no . . . i doubt that. very much. i just don't believe people _ever_ wanted their favorite franchise degraded into a wacky laughingstock.

i find the Marvel-esk comedy so cringe now

I’ve been in a binge of videos just hating on The last Jedi. I would like to state it’s soothing, like treating a deep internal wound.

I think the problem is that Bathos happened everywhere: -We can't win, we must run. 1 ship proceeds to take out the enemy flag ship -We need a find THE code breaker. There are apparently many code breakers -Leia dies from explosive decompression. Leia learns to force grapple herself to safety -There's nowhere left to run, except that rebel base close by -Fin can sacrifice himself to save everyone. Girlfriend says no and proceeds to kill herself -Main villain is mysterious all powerful Sith Lord in the shadow. Is really a pimp -The ship is about to lose all her shields and fuel. The hyper space ram was an option of lazy writing -Fin faces Phasma, his arch rival and suffers from a great fall. "Hey" -Luke shows up to save the day. Turns out to be a force projection -Luke turning out to be a force projection and was never in any real danger. PROCEEDS TO DIE ANYWAYS?

It happens in TFA too, when Poe meets with Kylo for the first time

Poe making a troll call to Hux like 5mn after the film start. Me in the cinéma : I have a bad feeling about this.

I watched The Last Jedi on DVD in my living room last week, and it was so bad I stood up and walked out of my own house.

Imagine bathos in the order 66 scenes

“A movie that tries to be something to everybody becomes nothing to everyone”

There is a conspiracy theory that Johnson wanted to destroy the Star Wars franchise with this movie And you know what? I'm honestly going to have to think about the possibility

About the Saving Private Ryan scene, I always felt like comedy with soldiers bantering and telling funny stories almost always had a place in war movies. Would have been cool to see the Rebel soldiers or clones in the prequels bantering

I would consider myself a Star Wars fan boy but the last Jedi was cringe worthy. After the exchange between Poe and Hux I found myself reaching for the remote but realised I was in a movie theater.

*anakin lights his lightsaber to slay younglings* Younglings : are we toast master skywalker? Directed by rian johnson

Po's prank call ended the movie for me. So glad I didn't pay to watch it in the cinema. If a single rebel star fighter can single handedly disarm a star destroyer... how are the First Order winning the war?

Space Balls 2: The last Jedi

When Luke threw his lightsaber I wanted to leave the theater- it was too off character, and it didn’t make sense

The line in saving private Ryan was actually improvised. It was not planned. Maybe that's why it seems so real...

I was so pissed when luke made the force seem like a joke when he himself took it very seriously before

The movie should just be 2 hours of the milking scene

The Joss Whedon effect. Where everybody has to be a snarky smarmball to show off how tongue-in-cheek the creator is.

Out of all these scenes you showed, I think the only one that kinda works was the one when lightsaber flew out of Ray's grasp and bonked her on the head. While it was silly it also showed how much more control over the force Snoke had, which I guess could work.

3:15 "It suggests that this is going to be a very light-hearted movie, and there would have been nothing wrong with that." I disagree, there's no place for that kind of jokes in Star Wars. The minute I saw the exchange between Poe and Hux, I knew this movie had something wrong. And then Luke throwing his lightsaber! That was awful! J.J. created a wonderful cliffhanger at the end of TFA only to be completely distroyed by R.J.

"That was it. That was the last- That was- Dan went off to basic the next day. That was the last night the four of us were together." That line/delivery breaks me every single time I've seen Saving Private Ryan.

That iron scene tricked my brain into thinking it was Spaceballs. I remember being legit confused at what I was watching for a few seconds.

Meanwhile, Knives Out Is amazing and I will die on that hill.

10:29 you can see Rey react to being hit by the lightsaber just before it actually hits her.

It's like the film was written by Stephen Speilberg and Jerry Sinefeld but they took it in turns to write a paragraph after briefly given context as to whats happening without actually reading what each other wrote. Edit: To clear things up I was referring to the tone of the movie and not the actual quality of the jokes and writing. Speilberg and Sinefeld are true masters of their craft.

I don't know why nobody talks about it but that is literally what I hate the most about the new star wars movies

This is exactly what they do with Marvel, Disney ruins everything

Anakin (after killing younglings): Master Yoda, a great deal has been lifted off your shoulders. Luke (after seeing his parents die): Well, barbeque night this week just got a 7-course meal!

For me the most jarring tonal moment was when they show the resistance pilots getting into their X-wings in the ship hangar, then a bomb hits and *kills* literally all of them. All these people just burned to a crisp. What do they show *RIGHT* after? BB-8 bouncing off the wall and making silly noises. People in the theatre were laughing and I was just like...err, we just saw about 50 good guys get burned to death 2 seconds ago, why do you think this is funny? :\ I feel like Star Wars has always had that problem, though, at least with the modern movies. They're constantly trying to be both a kids' movie and an adult sci-fi and the two really don't mix.

Good to see Disney writing material to inspire Spaceballs 2.

That short fragment of Saving Private Ryan made me laugh and tear from the bottom of my heart, more than The Last Jedi ever could

There are about 20 angles you can approach The Last Jedi from in which you can make a half an hour “how to kill a movie” video essays.

I knew this movie was going to suck when the opening sequence was Poe pranking General Hux with the I can't hear you routine. The entire movie was dreadful and it irrevocably ruined Star Wars.

The moment Luke threw the lightsaber off the cliff, I knew something was off with the movie. The entire movie of Episode VII was leading up to Rey finding Luke, and that last scene where she held out the lightsaber was one of there most powerful scenes in any Star Wars movie. And then for Luke to throw it off the cliff in Episode VIII... man, that just made a joke of the entire last movie. Bathos, that's a word I'll have to keep in mind for the future. Thank you

5:00 Yeah humor can work as a contrast for the darkness, a few moment of reprieve to allow the audience to care again, but that requires a specific kind of humor. Han's banter in the original trilogy is a great example of this being done right. The kind of situation humor that phantom menace tried with Jar Jar Binks and the sequels used plenty off however does not.

Yes! Thank you! The very first thing I said when I left the theater after watching this was “well, you can definitely tell Disney owns Star Wars now.” That was one of the biggest two things I hated on my first watch. The other was how they didn’t just give Leia a proper send off considering her actress couldn’t reprise her role in the next film.

I don't think I laughed at a single "joke" in TLJ. I was merely irritated.

Anyone else got like 3 Last Jedi analysis videos today?

Really good perspective, I agree wholly! Interestingly I was watching Rogue One lately and your video popped into my head.. I think there are some really good examples of how to add the comedic touches without ruining the whole thing in there.. maybe an idea for a follow-up video ;) cheers!

I've unfortunately come to expect bathos in every Disney movie. In _Infinity War_ I honesty thought there was going to be a joke after the Snap and I was more stunned that there wasn't one than all the mass deaths.

How Marvel humour ruined Star Wars.

Saw the movie on opening night. After the initial cheers from the crawl, the audience never laughed again. We all walked out in utter silence and disbelief... Whatever jokes they had fell flat, and just didn't work. Movie was somewhere between boring rubbish and intellectually insulting.

Imagine Aniken after killing the younglings then just pulling a joke after wards

People need to stop blaming Rían Johnson, the man knows how to write incredibly well. Do not excuse Disney’s proclivity for bathos in every single one of their movies of late.

It's not that johnson doesnt understand bathos; it's that he doesn't appreciate star wars. He thinks star wars is stupid and the fans stupider. He thinks star wars is a joke, and that's why all the moments that should have awesome were a joke. This is what happens when a director genuinely does not like the fans of the universe he was hired to contribute to.

I think another reason that the funny story in Saving Private Ryan works is because not only does it give more weight to the story but because it fleshed out the Ryan brothers. Until that moment, Ryan and his brothers had been McGuffins (a plot device that kicks off the storyline but otherwise has no importance). Private Ryan was the last surviving son of his family and that he needed to go home as part of the last survivor policy. An average cast/crew could've ignore it or worse still made it a sob story. Instead, they chose to have Ryan tell a funny story about the last night his family was together. Not only did it shed light on the closeness of the Ryan family but it was a reminder that he was part of a loving family that has been torn apart by war. Therefore, it gives more weight to the firefight because we have more reason to see them succeed. Ryan has become a person that we care about in that moment and we have more reason to be invested in his survival.

I’m going to have to disagree on Thor: Ragnarok. Yes, Waititi deliberately went for a comedic tone, but he did it at the expense of character consistency. Thor’s been bombastic and has made jokes, but he’s never really been a jokester in the MCU. And the very conflict of the movie keeps pulling the story away from comedy, which Waititi just sort of ignores. Over the course of Ragnarok and its backstory, an ancient evil that once subjugated entire worlds through bloodshed is freed. Thor learns his father set Hela loose on the realms in the first place before regretting his decision. Odin throws the Valkyries away like chaff hoping to avoid having to confront his daughter himself. Tessa Thompson’s character becomes an alcoholic after seeing her (implied) gf murdered. Once freed Hela butchers hundreds of Asgardians, including Thor’s friends. Thor has to sacrifice his entire world, his home, to stop her, and try to lead the remnants of his people to better days. This is not a story that “wants” to be a comedy.

Actually, Revenge of the Sith's opening scene had some issues with a tone during its opening scene as well.

Fans:So last jedi what do you want to be? The Last Jedi:I DONT KNOW

Can you imagine what the new trilogy could have been? It could have been the trilogy of the decade. They ruined it all.

I showed my friends one of my favorite movies (The Brothers Bloom) and they noticed the director and made me watch this film. How did the same person make two wildly different films?