The Last of Us Part II (Zero Punctuation) 

I'm actually kind of curious how much yahtzee played of both persona games in his week before review. Mostly because I like them and I wonder how much his patience for the JRPG side of the game play held up.

Yahtzee One of the only true critics left. I for one believe that a Critic should always be critical of a game regardless of how well made the game maybe, if Developers are only praised and never criticized then developers can never grow from their mistakes and will only be doomed to repeat them.

Best episode you've ever done. Thanks, yahtz

Great review and no fluff for the developers.

nice video!

Arthur Morgan is a perfect example of it.

@@Just_a_ghost713 I disagree, because Arthur was highly likable.

@@mattolstein2999 then Dutch or Micha would be a better example?

Joffrey is a great example. He was completely unlikable, but you just knew he would meet his end eventually, and you couldn't wait for it to happen.

Anton Chigurh is a FANTASTIC example of this

Yep

Are we talking a linear or exponential 1 percent? i.e. after 10 episodes, is the volume now 110% or 111.5%? 'Cause after 600 episodes, that'll make the difference between ×7 and ×400.

@@eXDax please shut up

@@fayewestwood4193 I hope you find happiness my friend.

@@eXDax sorry for the comment tbh

And also, quite often, of real life unfortunately.

In the words of Critical Drinker: "Because the plot needs to happen."

@@JohnDoe-vm5rb does that also apply to the real life thing, because i have a feeling many of them don't have the plot and still take action lol

I think it’s a coded cry for help from the developers. Making us feel the misery of their existence.

people doing taking the most irrational course of action possible is highly realistic. Just look at America during a pandemic.

You know a reviewer is good when you start thinking about what they will say.

I felt that it was pretty gimmicky at first too, but I’m cool with it since they use their names during NPC conversations. It brings life to their interactions with each other.

When I saw ND brag how that was a feature my mind rewound like an old VHS to 2001 when MGS2 did that with the Doog Tags and how even then it didn't make me do "Oh no that was Mikhail!" rather "Oops, sorry about your grey matter, Boris. Hope those weren't TOO cherished memories."

@@cibo889 There are those that do like TLOU2 and they don't need to ask your premision from you to do so.

@Zack Smith what is not chinas.fault?

Papas getting himself some pic and mix tonight

@@cibo889 The metacritic rating is 5.3 so half of the playerbase thinks It's atleast decent (not counting the game being obviously review bombed which lowered the rating)

Trust me, nobody likes this game.

he also didn't care much for the first, though

When he finds something he does actually like I'll be shocked

@@chriskoloski32 I mean unless you have literally only watched 5 or so of his reviews, you're being purposefully ignorant

@@chriskoloski32 that dog game seems like a keeper.

Can anyone tell me a game he's liked, I'm aware he liked Portal but is there anything else?

The Last Of Us did something that only a videogame can do and it has a better story and characters (probably I should not be saying this on a video of hate for TLOU 2 lol)

@@alejandroalvarado3409 The last of us did nothing that wasn't already been done in the 90s for many jrpgs or even in the 2000s. The last also took god of war in a horrible direction.

​@JamesHLanier Incorrect, God of War 1 was the first one to have an actually good story and I'd argue it's still easily the best in the series. God of War 4's story was alright, but it leaves way too many things unresolved and is spread really thin and goes on way too long for how little of actual note happens in it. That last part also made the cliffhanger ending and all the tease for more interesting elements of Norse lore, that amounted to nothing but potential sequel bait, feel pretty insulting.

The Walking Dead at least had more zombie kills.

@@alejandroalvarado3409 lmao john wick is same as the the last of us 2 but with less of the EmOtIoNaL DrAmA

I would go so far as to say tragedies can be more powerful than any other kind of story. However, all the tragedies that I remember weren't rubbing sadness and "woe-is-me" in my face the whole time.

@@mr.squishy5024 because for a tragedy to work, you need to show that there is hope and not to play the same 3 sad notes

You could just compare it to the first. Yea, shitty, horrible things happen. Then they find a pun-book and that's a whole thing and fun. Contrast makes shit compelling. But Druckman is a turd anyway so whatever.

I mean, there are plenty of sequences in this game where characters connect with each other in positive ways. I'm starting to wonder if anyone actually played this game...

@@Jeorin Do you really think just some sequences make the tone of the narrative any different? The problem is that those sequences had mediocre dialogue with bland written characters, and most people that PLAYED the game and made videos reviewing it noticed all of those things.

I lived in the Seattle area for 15 years. After driving on the freeways there, you'll think she was onto something.

Been to Seattle, the man has a point.

Dedication.

To be fair, Seattle was kinda asking for it. Especially *lately* .

@@Landofalcon007 the fascists have arrived...

Video hasn't been public for an hour, be patient

I´m mildy obset by the non aggravated nature of the comment section That will do

Gosh I hate the gays (does that work for ya?)

The only people seeing this early are those who have watched plenty of Zero Punctuation videos, so they know what to expect Give it like a day and then we’ll see where this comment section is headed

My comment was rather aggravated on a personal level, but you'll never find it thanks to all the cunts who commented a week early.

She doesn't really get much revenge since she killed about 4 out of like 12 people who were there the others are killed by Joel's brother who seems to be having the more interesting story out of view

Yeah tbh I has the same gripe with the ending of assassins creed 2, although at least there the gameplay is super fun

@@britishnerd3919 Assassin's Creed 2 at least had the excuse of its final boss being a real person who lived on for a few more years after it was set.

It's almost whiplash-inducing. The game goes so far out of its way to include unique mechanics to make the NPCs feel more like real people, and then it acts like Ellie's body count for this game is in the single digits. But after killing dozens if not hundreds to get that far, her "forgiveness" of Abby doesn't feel earned, and therefore doesn't feel like it makes sense. Which is ridiculous, because the stage is perfectly set for Abby and Ellie to just fucking talk about it. If Abby had just recognized Ellie, told her she knows why she's here, begged Ellie to help her save Lev, to release the other prisoners, and said she'd let Ellie finish things after Lev was out of there, it would have felt like enough to make Ellie's decision to cut them down make sense. They could have shared a tense exchange as they went for the boats: Ellie talking about how she can't sleep, how she keeps flashing back to that moment, and Abby saying she knows what that's like, how killing Joel didn't fix those nightmares and wasn't worth it in the end, but that it's not as if she'd have listened if anyone had told her that beforehand anyway, so she doesn't expect mercy. A moment of silence, then Abby asks if that means Joel meant to Ellie what Abby's father meant to her. Ellie doesn't answer. They reach the boats and Ellie demands a fight, but Abby just chuckles bitterly, apologizes, and says she can barely stand, let alone fight. Mirroring Joel's words to Abby, she tells Ellie just to get it over with. Then Ellie threatens Lev and the final boss fight plays out as normal. THAT would feel earned. Abby showing remorse and regret, while knowing she has no right to ask for mercy after she herself would have given none, and resigning herself to her fate, would humanize her in Ellie's eyes. The utter lack of interaction between them, however, means that Ellie shouldn't care any more about her than she has any of the other hundreds of people she killed to get there. It just doesn't work in a game like this.

@@britishnerd3919 I mean, the main thing about AC2 was that it's not just saying "Revenge is bad" and this is the reason why Ezio doesn't kill him, but because that you should kill only for a higher cause. That your work can actually help people instead of just going after your targets. Ezio doesn't even go to Rome with the intent to kill Rodrigo. So he is not deciding on a whim to not kill him. He was already past that revenge way before. And I think that is the main difference. With each target you kill, you can feel that the reasoning is less and less about revenge and more and more about Ezio wanting to help the people around him. You can see him develop this new attitude over time which isn't what's happening with Ellie. She is on full revenge mode for the whole game and only switches at the end.

Well, at least the Gaybox Series Queer and Gaystation 5 are coming out for all you Console gamers out there. Who knows? Maybe you'll even get a Gaytendo Switch Pro!

@@John-X Your comment makes me think you're in denial about being in the closet. Why the obsession with gays.

@@charlstown2235 because I'm a PC Master Race God. Do not address me again you filthy console *PEASANT.*

Reality in 2020 at least has a plot and characters that make sense, unlike TLOU2

@@John-X Shush now. It's okay little guy, it's okay. Whatever your insecurity, you're not so bad you'd need to be acting this bad to cover for it.

Think you meant Joel

Darkness Eternal oh yeah changed it 👍

Abby: You will.

I would of preferred we never learn why she wants revenge, just made me want to kill her more.

@@ForrestFox626 Might have built into the theme of murdering the random NPCs theme more if she could have been related to any of the random people Joel killed last game.

The best part of TLOU2 is that it's making everyone remember that Spec Ops was doing everything TLOU2 tried in a better, complexer, subtler and more nuanced manner almost a decade ago because Spec Ops had artistic vision and wasn't pretentious guff produced by horrendous crunch culture.

The Line was overrated pretentious garbage, it literally hides the most importantant piece of information behind a fuckin flashback Praising this shitty first draft just reveals how shallow one's tastes are

Being made with care will do that. "Half-Life" and "Medal of Honor: Frontline" are old as dirt at this point, and they still hold up amazingly.

@@keklulu332 "What? You like something that I don't like? That makes your opinion shallow!"

@@keklulu332 TBF, Spec OPS is good because it was done well and follow Apocalypse Now/ Heart of Darkness story themes. But as a a game, yes, it is kind of pretentious in its message BY the dev. A thing that other games does like Far Cry 5 which has the hidden ending (Even MW2 gave players the choice in No Russian mission, you can not fire a bullet, fire above the civilians and fight only the police, or go full firing spree.).

I was dying at "Ellie is a less eloquent Jason Voorhees."

John Marston: Kills every last one of them

Raider: "My sword is a tool of justice, but this isn't my sword!"

@@colinboxall9782 Because his family is being held hostage by the government.

@@HighKingOfSkyrim37 Almost as if that wouldn't of happened if he didn't kill Micah, leading a trail right back to his ranch.

@@colinboxall9782 gets it

Game: builds on what came before "Fans": "NOOOO! I wanted more of the same forever!"

@@PlatinumAltaria To be fair it doesn't. The gameplay loop does a little but the story and character development are made to regress just for the sake of the game director wanting to backtrack on their own message in the original. Things seemed grim in the original too but it gave you some moments of joy along the way. In the sequel any good moment comes from a wonky flashback which adds very little in terms of payoff. Sure, make the game grim, but at least have the narrative make sense. Even that isn't there

@@PlatinumAltaria Change doesn't always mean a good change.

@@PlatinumAltaria two words: doom eternal.

@@jackhammer7543 I haven't played either of the games, but from the plot synopsis it seems like a perfectly logical continuation of the narrative and themes of the original. Much like the original it's not even an imaginative new concept... it's a generic "revenge am bad" story. The primary criticism I've seen of the story is that it killed Joel... not only is that a logical next step for the narrative but it's practically written into the ending of TLOU: it is very clear that Joel is going to get his sooner or later. But now gamer kids are having a fit because they identified with a murdering psychopath who doomed humanity to a zombie plague... also there are gay people, which means that the game is "political" now... as though a setting where the US government is shooting people on sight and keeping the rest as prisoners is a completely apolitical game with no meaning beyond cool zombie adventures.

Oh boy! Here I go killin' again!

I might have thought that if everyone i met didn't immediately try to kill me.

When playing TLOU2 I was really looking forward to the moment Abby confronts Ellie and reveal why she killed Joel. That he killed her father and a bunch of people at the hospital and Ellie would learn what really happened there. But that moment never happened. It shows a flashback that Ellie knew about the hospital for 2 years already and Abby never tells Ellie who she is. It's always just "I could kill you... get out of my face"

This was funny but don’t you think that they were cannibals bc they were struggling to survive. Are they really an enemy

@@chamoo232 yeah but I dont want her to start monologuing her backstory to Ellie though. That's not good storytelling

I prefer “TLOU2 - the entirely unnecessary sequel hellbent on telling me the same story as the first one in as boring a way as possible” The first game did a decent, if stereotypical, job of expressing that human beings suck, unfortunately the ending was a bit shit for not doing what 99% of games like this would have done and that’s make the ending a choice The second game is just non stop narrative dissidence. “Revenge is bad, and to prove that I’m going to murder several hundred innocent people like me dear old pappy Joel” It’s gotten compared to RDR2 but at least in that game Arthur actually sticks to his opinions. His whole deal is that Dutch has gone mad with his quest for vengeance and vocalizes against it, only to stay for the people he wants to protect, namely Jack. What makes RDR and RDR2 ultimately depressing but compelling isn’t their truly unique take on criminal life or revenge, but that they are very normal stories that are told through the lens of interesting characters, as opposed to a girl who’s only defining traits are 1.) now gay 2.) angry John wants redemption through earning a free life with his family, Arthur wants redemption by getting John Jack and Abigail away from Dutch before it’s too late, and Ellie wants to pretend she’s a good person after she murdered a hundred innocent people and decided to turn the other cheek on the only one with plot importance because everyone knows that if they don’t have more than 15 minutes of screen time they aren’t real humans

Well then. This comment shit me up something fierce.

it's like when a band releases a self-titled record with a self-titled song on it

That random soldier was having more fun than any fucker playing the last of this franchise

Hotline Miami is amazing

Crimson Dynamo Don’t speak for everyone, amigo.

@@DanielRey_NGR he should speak for everyone, because he's right

That scene was total vapid bullshit if you think about it for more than 2 seconds too. Remember the dynamic between Sam and Henry in the first game where Henry wouldn't allow sam to have any fun because a theme of the world was that basic shit wasn't kosher anymore because it distracted you from survival? Yeah Ellie kinda proves the point in that scene, but it's hard to focus on when I'm distracted by how out of place a working PSVita was in the post apocalypse. The outbreak in TLOU1 happens on September 26, 2013 according to the lore, but IRL the PSVita came out November 14, 2013, meaning the implication is there that people went out and bought a PSVita during a zombie outbreak and then preserved it for YEARS somehow. If druckmann was such a good writer he would have either not put that scene in or had a damn good explanation for it. It's not even an offhand Easter Egg you have to go out of your way to find either, it's part of the progression of the main story.

Neil doesn't seem to know the definition of subtle

Darius Brown considering he also wrote The Last of Us pt 1, I’d say that isn’t true. He also did great dialogue in Uncharted. I just think he had a point to make here and felt no shame in being incredibly blunt and obvious here. It’s a shame.

thats4thebirds I thought Bruce Straley helped him with TLOU1? Also, let’s not forget TLOU2 had a writer from “Westworld” at the helm as well. Considering that “Westworld” is a series that disappeared up it’s own ass two episodes into it’s second season, it’s little wonder TLOU2 did the same.

Joseph Abrams Bruce is only listed as co-director while the only writing credit listed is Neil. Both on Wikipedia and IMDb

Because they made a gamble they couldn’t easily win. There was a really big bias for Joel and Ellie that was aggravated by Abbie. So they have you to like Abbie even if you don’t want to. For me It would have been better if she was introduced with her motivation before her vengeance.

"The trouble is that we have a bad habit, encouraged by pedants and sophisticates, of considering happiness as something rather stupid. Only pain is intellectual, only evil interesting. This is the treason of the artist: a refusal to admit the banality of evil and the terrible boredom of pain." - The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas (1973) by Ursula K. Le Guin

On the macro level, Ellie and Abby are all but defined by being destructive and barbaric as all heck which does little to garner initial sympathy. On the micro level, their decisions and thought processes don’t correlate through the entire story in various instances. This prevents them for being compelling or relatable enough as characters to anybody

Tomb Raider 2013 is a excellent example because how cheap the victimisation is of Lara just for the sake of feels. And it’s shoots itself in the foot tone wise because the moment you get a gun from the dead dude who was molesting you the game becomes XP happy shooter instead of a survival game. I still like TR2013 but it set a bad and hypocritical standard.

Disagree. The evolution of Lara from innocent school girl to hardened killer and survivor was the most compelling thing about the game. Way more than the main plot of the game was. Certainly beats out Nathan Drake by a long shot. You'd have to be pretty short sighted and unimaginative to not see it. But that's pretty much standard for the ADHD prone general audience. Also, the game isn't a survival game, it's an action adventure. It'd be silly to make a Tomb Raider a survival game, since the series was always an action adventure.

@TheCybercoco Tomb Raider was about jumping around tombs and solving puzzles originally, the taking cover behind walls is purely Uncharted influence. I think Lara’s story is compelling in the 2013 game, I genuinely like story and characters. But there’s no denying the tone is wacked, Lara is crying over killing one dude one minute and mowing down a thousand dudes in the next minute. It’s a pure case of ludonarrative dissonance, especially that one cutscene where after killing a dozen cultists Lara suddenly becomes helpless and gets beaten up by a few unarmed guys and dropped in the blood pool. TR2013 has survival elements and gameplay, I think it should taken it even further like MGS3. Lara kills one guy in self defence and spends the rest of the game hiding and laying traps. Then at the very end she goes guns blazing.

You write good English though.

@@jondon6659 aw, thanks! But the hardest part is listening and speakig

Hey cuanto llevas estudiando inglés digo también me gustaría aprender

@@reymephiles2600 Bueno, no es que lo estudie ahora pero a parte de las clases normales suelo ver muchos vídeos en inglés, lo que pasa es que a veces gente como Yatzhee hablan muy rápido

@@renmcmanus thank you!

He pretty much had the same criticism for the first one too lol. He legit just hates 90% of the games he plays.

@@whatever8228 That's not wholly unconnected to the fact that 90% of the games he reviews just aren't very good, or are at best mediocre, and as he has said on several occasions "It didn't make me want to jam sharp objects into my urethra" or any of the many and varied paraphrases he has used, is the faintest of praise, and is unlikely to make the box quotes

@@talltroll7092 it's just that most AAA games are the same thing over and over again. As a reviewer he just notices that pattern worse and get sick of it faster then the general gaming market does. There is a reason why games like undertale resonated better whit Yahtzee then any big budget game, it just happened to be the game that broke the monotony of same shit over and over again.

@@whatever8228 Oh, you're not wrong, and he's said so a few times in various places, but I would maintain that quite a lot of modern gaming output just isn't very good. There's a reason that most of the games I actually spend time on these days are either ~20 years old, or are based on properties that old or older (BattleTech), or are turn based, hex grid representations of the entire Eastern Front down to Divisional or smaller scale (Gary Grigsbys War in the East)

@@talltroll7092 I've also noticed a pattern whit new releases. It goes like this: Game "x" gets released, it generally received mediocre reviews and sells decently. A period of 3 or more year passes and a new instalment gets announced. People start praising game x and hyping up the game x 2. It releases and almost all og fans hate the new one. Still sells good tho, then follows the next instalment and it goes through the same cycle. Like mark my words if tlou3 ever get released you'll have people saying how 2 was much better.

R/hol up

But can you do it while being retroactively a minority with zero consequence for the plot?

I play games to avoid that.

@@Shuizid I can. Spoiler, it sucks and it's boring.

Precisely

All true

Someone should throw this list at Netflix, maybe then we'll get some actually likeable characters instead of bitchy cardboard cutouts

I see that you too watched the video.

@@victorsimmons6769 that and remind them that you can end a story and not just leave it with some people walking/driving off into a sunset

He made a second stab at that list at the end by commenting on how they made Ellie a lesbian retroactively.

As an actual nihilist, this is spot on.

Hell to the Yeah!

Both games were ugly, miserable slogs, and were equally awful to experience. It's shocking to me that people liked the first one, but whine so much about the second. It's like someone joyfully feasting on a trashcan full of rotten diapers, but then becoming outraged at their second helping because the diapers were a different brand this time around.

@@Los499 woah, hating one of the most beloved games veer because the equal wasn't good. That doesn't make you look dull and edgy at all.

Personally I don't like either, but I hate that bog standard third person stealth action gameplay, it's not fun to me

So far the only person who has achieved their goal is Abby

At least the "I'm going to deliver this girl to the hospital' but didn't" had the they didn't even pay me like promised and were going to kill me and the girl I delivered going for Joel.

This was my biggest issue with the game, characters don't act natural and just send a stupid message nobody cares in the real world. Sure, if I was in Joel's place I would've done the same thing. But you're going to tell me the real Abby would've just let Dina and Ellie go a second time after what she did? No, she would've fucking butchered them on the spot and honestly I would've enjoyed that plot way more because it was believable.

"I'm gonna take you somewhere fun and we'll Totally live through it" Oopsie, we got matching bite marks.

Well in the first game, they assaulted Joel and said that Ellie, essentially his second daughter, was going to die, so yes I would say not doing it anymore makes sense. However, Ellie forgiving Abbi is an absolute punch in the face. There's NO reason why she would spare her, and it just leaves me feeling really angry about the whole thing. If this game isn't the worst game of 2020 we got a really depressing year ahead of us

Cause it’s his opinion..................

He might've watched The Walking Dead

Still, a far kinder fate than he deserved.

What else would you expect from someone who cut their teeth in mainstream media. Accuracy? Ha, comedy!

Maybe the golf club identifies as a baseball bat, whi are you to decide who he wants to be uh?!

Especially in a year like 2020

Maybe before the genre of dystopia had become so entrenched that anything with a single fulfilled and content character is a minority in literature but now... they're just not fun. People aren't doing out there, crazy things with the genre in the way they did before - and if they are I can't tell because the market is so oversaturated.

Its can be a brave decision, particuarly with games. Economically, its a brave decision either way. Tragic games are much, much harder to sell, and they are also much harder to make work than your average mainstream kind of game. But considering they are harder to make work, and TLOU2 shows pretty well how hard you can fail if you dont get things right, that also means a higher risk in an artistic sense. And sure, TLOU2 sold pretty well. But thats just because of the name.

@@TheNightman. I dont think so, we know teh game sold at least 2.8 million digitally. But the sales did drop off quite heavily, thats true. Probably still worth for Sony, considering it was supposed to push console sales.

People note how audiences are less fond of miserable works of fiction and think that's purely based on audiences just wanting feel-good moments. It's not - the problem is that audiences are less willing to accept plot contrivances when said contrivances only cause misery, and they're less willing to accept a work of fiction that is nothing BUT misery, rather than one that ends on a miserable note. Final Fantasy Tactics and FF7: Crisis Core both end on very miserable terms, with sad, pointless deaths of prominent main characters when they were within spitting distance of their happy ending. They both also have a lot of misery during the story, with tragic deaths all over the place. But both of them have bright moments amidst the tragedy, and both of their tragic endings feel earned. It's easier to write a palatable uplifting story, but that's not because audiences can't accept tragic ones. It's just because audiences won't accept BADLY WRITTEN tragic ones. It's like saying it's a bold decision to cook a five-course dinner for a family gathering instead of just ordering something to be delivered. Sure, it's common to just keep things simple and get pizza delivered, but if the person making the five-course dinner amateurishly fucks up the cooking, you'll WISH you'd just gotten the pizza instead.

Loud minority

majority? metacritic and google beg to differ

PapaSmurfYuh Review bombs from people who didn’t even play the game

G Z yea exactly. idk why he said “majority”. i agree with you

@@gz277 it was shit and I enjoyed the first one

Made me appreciate the original a lot more. This game made me realize how much I liked Joel and Ellie as people, even if they did morally question actions.

Ofc it needed a sequel, there was still tons on money to be made off the franchise.😂

You could have made a sequel with different characters or exploring different story aspects. I think what pissed people the most is that even THIS version could have been better. All the elements are there, in flashbacks, in gameplay, in graphics... but like Yahtzee points out, so much of it was pointless and unnecessary that its just... well... pointless and unnecessary.

You could have a sequel, just have it take place in a different part of the US or even in a different part of the world if the virus ended up affecting the entire world

Well put my friend ,very well put

It almost like it's trying to be Walking Dead with it's critique of the Zombie Survival, but Walking Dead did that, did it better and has already become a worn out joke at this point. TLOU 2 is a few years late to the party.

Spec Ops also worked because it had brand new characters, and purposefully started as a generic 'Murica Fuck Yeah shooter, before becoming a descent into hell.

@@colin3ds1 the comics ended last year, and honestly, up to the last 30 issues or so the series managed to be very good. Only the last story arc sucked.

I also think Spec Ops works because its quite a bit meta near the end, which adds that extra "what else" factor that keeps you going.

Worse, TLOU2 is critical of people who enjoy playing video games instead of mindlessly consuming movies/tv by subjecting it’s players to the same endemic mind numbing, schoolmarming, one-sided political snobbery in movies/tv.

Which, to be quite honest, is a VERY good reason to not fork over $70... $60... $20... ANY amounts of your hard-earned cash for this steaming pile of pretentious garbage.

A broken game but good story can still be salvaged (Cyberpunk.), a good polished gameplay but decent story can still be enjoyed (Doom Eternal), a slightly refined gameplay but a shity story in a story driven game (TLOUS2) can't be saved.

Considering games (even ones with a "story" to tell) need to be fun, I completely understand and agree.

I happened to really like the tLoU2, but the criticism that I think makes the most sense to me are the ones who said that the game was too miserable to be any fun for them which I totally understand what a shitshow 2020 was.

A lot of reviewers will try to make sure that games which have minority characters and generic ass stories out to be “the best game ever”. Yahtzee is a guy who has used the word “cuntburlap” and I think that’s why he’s so fun to watch.

God yes. If I never hear the word "cringe" again it will be too soon.

Wince is a better word.

To be fair, "cringe" wouldn't have worked here. "Wince" implies pain, whereas "cringe" implies second-hand embarrassment.

Agreed, she does and not only does she sing in the odd episode she is also the main singer in the cr theme tune for campaign 2 too (the adventure begins, they were always beside you...)

The voice actors were the best part of this game.

She should do singing for her part-time job

@@ForrestFox626 without even playing it, I already knew that by just looking at the cast list :p

So you're saying that when an actress who can sing well plays a character in an apocalypse setting, it is stupid that the character is not a skilled singer, during the apocalypse? You're grasping at straws.

Y'know. Even though I haven't played any of the two Last of Us games, the plot you just described sounds quite interesting.

A more worthwhile story idea compared to what we got.

Already a better plot than the entire game

Why is are like most of the rewrites I see in YT comments sections better, more interesting stories than the one Naughty Dog told?! How do commenters come up with more interesting and exciting ways to tell your story Neil? Eh?!

I would prefer something more akin to Ellie finding Abby and helping her take down a group of infected. Then we could have a story about both of them getting to know each other and going on there own journey up to the point where Ellie introduces Abby to Joel.

As far as I remember that's all he does, I've never seen him go after plants or fungi.

That is so true.

As if animals are some sacred, off-limit thing that you can never kill. If I'm holding a gun and there's a pack of dogs chasing me relentlessly trying to rip my throat out, of course I'm going to shoot them in the head.

Well, yeah. Watch the movies: At the end of the day, Jason is a child that wants to make his mommy proud. Ellie is apparently of the mindset of "kill fucking everything *BUT* the one person I should hate the most".

He also doesn't hurt small children

I think it tried to be more like Requiem for a Dream. But one's depressing because it's showing something that COULD happen in real life, and the other one's depressing because it brutally decreased the worth of a previously amazing game

I was going to disagree, but then I thought about it. Yeah, the Morningstar and this game are pretty similar

Seriously underrated comment.

Lol that's pretty accurate

I agree on this an Spec Ops: The Line was well thought out this was too much time wasted

A revenge story! I haven't seen that a million fucking times across all media before!

@@Rawnblade13 I have seen a million different road trips too, does that mean original game not good either? EDIT: I have no idea why I phrased this comment like I was a caveman, but I did.

It's not like the plot of the first game was any less mundane anyway

Shouldn't have made a sequel...because now Naughty Dog has lost all of its credibility

@RubberFistFight You know the actors cried too right? Ashley Johnson (Ellie) was getting teary-eyed just explaining it on an interview.

@Al Dente I was getting scared when I was reading the first few lines lmao but yeah I agree.

@Al Dente Hope you have an entire slew of good lawyers.

I really like the theme of Red Dead Redemption, because it has characters who are progressive without being uncharacteristically progressive. Arthur figures that their "way of life" is only leading to violence and misery and wants to end it.

This game need more moments of levity.

Because that what this year like for ? Looks like everyone try want makes most edgy sad boi even emo culture not this shit much

Oh look you get to play with the doggy, now murder it because sad. Oh look, a scene with Joel and Ellie reminiscent of the last game, now be sad we killed him.

@@eugenideddis Oh look, Ellie hates Joel now and has *for over 2 years*.

God we really need Deltarune NOW at least we got No Straight Roads coming in August. THAT looks like it'll actually be fun.

Abby surely had the slightly sloped moral high ground. "That guy doomed humanity, he needs to suffer but we spare all his friends because they didn't do anything." "Welp, they killed one of my friends, let's murder all of them and their friends and their dogs and their friend's friends and their friends, too."

@@Blablablub131 I don't know about "doomed humanity"... Going by the fireflies level of competence I would argue there was never going to be a successful vaccine, if you really think about it.

@@Blablablub131 What are you on about?.Abby didn't kill Joel because he "doomed humanity".She killed him because he killed her dad. Him killing the cure really was irrelevant

Ellie had the moral high ground. Abby's dad wanted to kill Ellie when she was completely defenseless.

@@thecripplingestofdepressio2686 given that there aren't currently any vaccines for fungal infections, I'm with you. Also from what you see in the games the vast majority of victims of the myconoid zombies are left in no state to get up again later - the main progenitor of zombies was presumably spores, which people seem to have learned to stay the hell away from. The underlying concept was...well...as flawed as every other zombie apocalypse scenario out there because the concept is just silly. That said, I had fun playing it. Last of Us ended up the GoT of the zombie world - everyone was an asshole, nearly everyone had something laudable about them (let's just exclude the cannibals here and the utterly undeveloped groups of hunters in 1, they were just shits) and nobody liked the ending.

Kitty pride anyone?

Considering not just the majority, but overwhelming majority of people IRL are straight - yes. Unless said piece of media establishes that its universe is different in that regard from ours - every character with undisclosed sexuality is assumed to be straight and cis, because that's how most people are and therefore it is safe to assume that about a character.

Ellie wasn't retroactively made a lesbian because she was never established to be straight in the first game. All characters in a story are pansexual until said otherwise.

Technically I think it was Faith Erin Hicks, the writer of "The Last of US: American Dreams" who first hinted at Ellie's sexuality in the comics, and then Neil decided to build off it when they decided on the setting for the DLC. I'm unsure when the comics came out though or when they began so maybe Post-development but pre-release? Anyway, I remember a podcast he did with the IGN crew talking on that point.

@@NomastiAfricanWarlord false it was established in the dlc she was

Sort by new. Usually you'll find some shit there.

People keep saying that, but I never really see any dissent wherever they do. As someone completely unfamiliar with TLOU it seems like there's pretty much a consensus at this point.

@@gankhef5564 pretty much the only people still defending this mediocre tripe are largely doing so for political reasons.

@@AlyxandraLoF I actually really enjoyed the game. In a sense anyway. It was emotionally brutal, but I am into that kind of thing. It may be the best looking game ever made, it plays exceptionally well, and it sends a powerful message of the consequences of violence and the problems that arise when you see people as enemies rather than humans. You're welcome to your opinion of it, but try not to be so quick to dismiss the opinions of others.

Jeorin If by “powerful message” you mean contrived and inconsistent, then sure.

Why stick only to books and films/tv shows? There are also many games out there with actual deeper stories and much better gameplay than tlou2.

I would of prefer that, instead of trying to act deep with fake moments of levity.

It’s a shit game, that’s for sure

@@ForrestFox626 are those the only alternatives? No wonder creativity in media seems to have nosedived.

@@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher There are other options

Fuck, that’s something I haven’t thought about in a while.

@@docvince1491 It's time you let go of this petty grudge of a person who never did anything to you.

@@twilightvulpine Never.

@@twilightvulpine saying she never did anything is like saying the earth is flat. in which that that's a big fucking lie.

MissSallyB1 lmao let go you weirdos

Which is ironic considering Mario is arguably the villain of the games.

@@BloodLegaZ You watched Game Theory didn't you?

How _dare_ you to (perform action necessary to proceed to next sequence)!?

@@anthonydeadman UGh, game theory. I thought you guys were at least gonna bring up Unraveled

@@Trazynn You could stop playing the game, like Spec Ops: The Line suggested. That's why I haven't bought any new monstrosities, and I've recently bought DOOM 2016. I'm tired of the drama, just let me break pixels.

You forgot the "1%"

Electric Boogaloo

You keep my revengeance subtitle out of this shithole you bastard!

@@alexlee4154 I love Revengeance too, I felt immediately bad for including it in that, but the word was entirely too on the nose for a revenge title.

That's a lot of dry heaving.

That is also a complain I have with the sequel. Beside the horde at the beginning when Joel saves Abby there really isn't much going on with the clickers. It proves that a vaccine was not going to change the world if 90% of people dying do so because of faction wars.

Psychologically alike, not physiologically

@@tejasgarhewal7509 The fact that you don't see this is clearly sarcasm, makes me lose more hope for humanity.

@@Vergil666. my bad, but it really sounded authentic to me considering the fact that I have read other comments (on another channel) that genuinely think that they actually complement each other and have a really good chemistry, so I let my sarcasm sensors turn off while reading anything regarding the two.

@@tejasgarhewal7509 i have seen really dumb things said to defend TLOU2. So I guess you've got a point.

Oh, and Dina is pregnant! There's that. Thanks, Jesse. Your value to the plot is noted.

Hey Dr. Sniffy Bum was a real menace on the community ... However his dog was lovely

90% of the comment section is now in level 2 of game theory.

Sort by newest and you'll see.

Being honest, I came here to see if people would attempt to call Yahtzee far right for not liking it because I saw this video a week ago.

Yep, comment section is good. Like to Dislike ration is good too. What really would have upset people is if he said it was a great game.

It all depends on the youtuber at time. Yahtzee does shit talk about games, but the way he says it makes it understandable. He hated on A LOT of the games I like and I subbed to him.😂

What WERE you expecting?

I think part of it is everyone has started to reach the point of not giving a shit. Especially regarding Yahtzee's point #4. Everyone knows about it, everyone's had their say on it. Everyone just wants to walk away and forget about it. This just to simply ... not worth getting anymore upset over. We're just giving it free publicity at this point by doing so.

Two weeks have past so the contracts for the astroturfed cheerleaders part of the marketing campaign have already ended.

I don’t know about anyone else, but this is exactly what I was expecting the comments to be like. It’s only a certain group(s) that likes the game (SJWs because gay and fanboys because it’s more TLOU and they can’t see past that) and most people don’t fall into either

you can feel yahtzees pain through the screen

They included political takes so hot they could chill dry ice for the one-two benefit of 1. Praise from jigglypuff blue checks 2. Deflection of and immunity to any and all criticism In other used, the very people virtue signaling their own compassion and sensitivity with their inclusion USED THEM as human meat shields.

I never understand the “the game blames you”. The game blames the character, not the player. That’s why you don’t have choice in this game. You are just along for the ride. The ride need to be good and this one was a huge let down, that’s the problem.

@@Indigo_1001 For many, particularly gamers who often play role playing games where the character is just an avatar the distinction between the player and the avatar is blurred. It just varies from player to player and from game to game really and I play RPG's because I like to feel like my character is me. But all gamers agree that this game is a let down xD

People like Jim Sterling are doing so every week. Thank God for him.

I hate thinking of programmers being overworked to make this depressing game.

You up to what successful movies have been coming out? I think that pretty much disproves this whole thing.

I disagree. Doom Eternal? :P

You just described Vampire The Masquerade: Bloodlines

@@blankzbb3520 a bland story is not necessarily a bad story

wasn't this the guy who criticizes everything, made his own movie and it was everything he normally complains about?

What is the game awards but a giant circle jerk

Doom eternal got nothing and I'm so pissed off because of that.

Don't worry. When you get married, they'll let you know what your perspective is :)

It's not so much "do opposites attract?" and more "can I tell them apart from dialogue alone?" With well written charachters, the answer to the latter question should be 'yes'

@@SFRobertsDickClarke Nice. I like that answer

depends on if you value peace or interestingness

I think, the point is not that it is unrealistic that similar characters are attracted to each other, it is more that in story telling, you would want these characters to have some kind of chemistry. It's hard to define how to get this chemistry, but if you have characters that have at least different opinions in certain areas you can make them argue, discuss and so on and therefore build them. If they are the same, what are they even going to talk about?

At least David Cage games have some choices and multiple endings which can lead to a few interpretations.

@@usul573 David cage games also have something TLOU2 doesn't, a plot.

@@snintendog Not that TLOU2 doesn't have a plot, but it was pretty weak mostly. Plus TLOU2 makes you feel so dead inside killing everyone that trying to tell a moral about violence is laughable. At least David Cage and life is strange type games don't require you to kill so many people, though if someone doesn't like them, I can't convince them otherwise.

@@usul573 im gooing to be honest if you cant beat david cage you are doing something wrong

I thought it was pronounced “Daavîd Cæge” not “David Cage”

The franchise may be saved yet

No. Since Sniffybum is dead, it has to be Sniffybum Jr. Also, you're right. Let's make the main villain the kid of some rando the MC killed in the previous game. Apparently, it worked for LoU2 according to the writers.

The Jungle is the most realistic book you can read. It's so true. The ending is just a commercial for socialism but its damn good

Damn underrated novel tbh. Made me quit beef.

That is just petty assholes, being well...

This kind of thing always happens with controversial games, it’ll die down in about 2 hours when people realize it’s just trolls doing troll things, I doubt it’s even anyone who’s invested in the game. They probably were like “ooh I could get some attention for this, let’s google ‘TLoU2 Abby voice actor’ and mention the first thing that pops up”. It’s nothing new and people shouldn’t be making such a big deal about it in the first place.

@@TheKingsPride Coming off a be like you're defending these actions. Sure it's shitty but it should never get to this level.

That's fanboys for you. I remember Game of Thrones actors used to have death threats thrown their way all the time for the actions of their characters.

@@TheKingsPride sure, it only last 2 hours, but for the person it can be an experience that affects them well more in to their life than just 2 hours

Depressing game about depressing consequences aimed to depress the player? Ha, Try russian misery simulator, Aka pathologic 2. Hope you like having to exchange your food for a tissue mask. Yes, even in a game you are not worthy of a gauze mask.

Except naughty dog never said it was a misery simulator

@@pieines7299 I actually played that game but I haven't beaten it yet. The "timed" events pressure me too much but otherwise its great

@@Naza_SS actually they said it was a game was to be based around hate and sadness to contrast the first so yes. It is ment to be sad on purpose

6/10 ... So you liked it? I'm confused.

The central themes of the game are loss, trauma, and forgiveness. What other expression is she supposed to convey? Joy?

@@FischerFilmStudio Point taken.

How did you come to the conclusion the seraphite plotline is racist when most of the members are white, much the same as the WLF?

Last Of Us II has got to be the Worst game of 2020 thus far! Especially Considering the toxic work environment around the development of the game

@Coomer Joe As am I

Joey Parkhill that’s a gross exaggeration

@@schnumphstudios8334 Yeah but there was cruch between the development of this game.

Crunch and the whole making your staff watch gore videos to get the action "just right"

That's why he specifically says that being a minority doesn't make you a good character.

Imagine a world where more games actually have well-written LGBT characters, instead of cardboard cutouts with a single personality trait, which, in turn, isn't really one, because it's a sexuality. That would be good.

Inquiz that requires having games where writers respect the fact they're characters and not just a check mark. The nier series has imo the best representation of LGBT+ members in gaming. You have to pay attention to even notice it for many of the characters too because it isn't even close to being upfront. Outside of the indie space and a few Japanese game series I find most examples of representation "offensive" since I can't list anything about the characters other than their sexuality and/or race. Find it incredibly sad how lazy they are written most of the time.

@Frank Castle Good to know. I didn't read the comics, and didn't know the character before the PS4 game and Spider-Verse. Good to know they did him well

This. Same could arguably be said for Catra and Adora in She-Ra and the Princesses of Power. Though it was obviously not the most incredible story or had the most engaging characters ever, the homosexual relationships showed weren't incredibly overbearing or "we're THING because THING is COOL and POPULAR." And as such, the emotional bits were a lot more tolerable and even downright relatable.

Don't forget the DMCA takedowns on youtube channels discussing the leaks. Even if they didn't even have any images from the leaks in the videos!

How ELSE do you fight review bombs, though? Like, there's fair negative reviews... and there's giving the game a 1/10 within hours of it releasing, which was happening. That's *clearly* not okay and not a reasonable review of the game. So what can you do other than to cut that off wholesale? I'm asking seriously - I'd love to hear if you think there is another alternative.

maxastro that also has to apply to people giving it a 10/10 within minutes of the game releasing too. Review bombing applies to both positive and negative scores. The only "fix" is to verify the person purchased the game and have their hour count a la steam data.

@@maxastro Honestly, maybe a verification system. Have the review count once you link your steam or egs to metacritic. The issue here is that i have no idea how one would do a similar system for consoles.

@@606hunter1 That becomes self selecting though, especially when it comes to a minimum $60 expense.

Can you imagine getting graced with a dream job where the solid majority of your work consists of playing the newest video games, and ending up getting that joy ripped from you when SO MANY GAMES are just bad and you're stuck with them?

@@jkwashko Most people who do games journalism say that their enjoyment of even great video games is at least somewhat diminished by their work, which is entirely understandable.

@@jkwashko And even if the games are good, how the sausage is made is incredibly bad. "Here, watch these snuff films so you can animate the eyes rolling back in the head properly or extract those gurgling sounds so we can line them up properly with the knife to the neck everybody's going to get."

To say nothing of Loot Boxes / Microtransactions.

@@ryangross714 Anything becomes miserable when it's your job. I imagine Gordon Ramsey was perfectly happy as a casual gourmand until it became his job and developed anger issues. It's why it's obvious the Chinese proverb of "do what you love, and you'll never work a day in your life," was clearly written by someone who has never held a job in their life.

I'm so sorry you had to go through that

Connor Bosson I know I’ll be there 🍿

someone wanna reply to me in a week? thanks

Aye, it's a week later

Come one, come all!! The comments are starting, the show will be great!!!!

Welcome back and best of luck lads.

No one has said that. The subject isn't unique. It's just handled really well.

@@jameslanier2510 No it isn't. Fucking Doom handled the revenge plot better and that's about a dude and his rabbit.

And some cop porn, to wash out the toxicity if you _do_ find it.

I actually was reminded that I am actually out of popcorn so cheers for the reminder

This gave me a chuckle. Thank you for that. :)

Rocky Road, fight me!

Kain59242 Rocky Road is for chimps. Mint or die.

@@craigbutler3282 rainbow sherbet, fight me

@Craig Butler no, raspberry best >.>

@@justsaying6341 Rocky Road with fresh raspberries is pretty nice.

That quote doesn't mean anything unless you think it's actually good for media to be ideologically neutral. And surely not, right?

@@krasmasov6852 true that, and there are many cases that it should not be, but the intent of the quote was to highlight that they fail to see their own shortcomings in logic because they think they are always right. I fully understand what you mean and agree with you but the quote wasn't meant to be interpreted that way.

@@justanidiotmk2749 Okay. What shortcomings in logic?

@@krasmasov6852 I was trying to reference the part where you pretty much kill every single person but the person who has wronged you, then the games says killing is wrong. So the message never really sticks when the game pats itself on the back and says Ellie is a monster and she realizes it when she is about to do the only justified thing she will ever do in the game.

@@justanidiotmk2749 The game doesn't say killing is wrong. You have to kill to survive. It's killing for other reasons that causes trouble. Also, if you think Abby should've been murdered in the end, then I think you don't care about Ellie at all and that we have fundamentally different moral values. If you have a retributive notion of justice, this game will never vibe with you.

No, the joke goes: If those kids could read they'd be very upset!

@@CasuallyConsistent somehow an account called Todd Howard being an ignorant prick is funnier than the comment you’re writing under

I’ve been seeing people who are passionately shitting on the game being obnoxious too. In fact, I’ve been seeing more people shit on people liking the game because they hate it. I think we tend to notice the people we disagree with more because they stand out in our minds. I don’t think the game is complete shit but it definitely isn’t a 10/10. More like a 7/10 for me

As someone who actually enjoyed the game, I agree. It definitely had flaws (being too long and Ellie and Dina's lack of chemistry were big ones for me) and saying that it's the greatest game ever created is just ridiculous.

I am not a defender…. but the haters are easily worse! Sending death threats to the voice actress of Abby and, worse, to kill her 1 and a half year old child, because they didn't like the game? Seriously, don't get me wrong, I think this game fails on account of story. And I actually do get the extreme reaction from people, seeing how beloved the first game was, and it turned into something…. well, something people didn't love, to put it mildly. But the hate this game has gotten has turned into toxic, sickening proportions!

The release of this was a total dumpster fire. You have Troy Baker posting shitty historical quotes at a game journalist for making a sweeping statement saying games are too long. You've got people sending death threats to the actors who played the characters for what they're fucking characters did. And on top of that the amount of homophobia, transphobia and straight up nastiness surrounding it has been awful. Overall 7/10 makes you feel like batman

@@sandrols7 These kind of trends really worry me. Hating something is one thing, but sending death threats and actually making protests or inciting violence is just disgusting.

I still think the game industry as a whole turned the industry bullshit up to eleven as soon as he was gone.. they fucking waited for him to die because his voice was such a force to be reckoned with.

@@Donderkonijn1978 The gaming industry has been a cesspit of shit for the last 20 years at least. TB was the only one seriously voicing concerns with a mainstream audience and the industry took him seriously but what we're seeing now with walkouts, mass burnout, high turnover, and constant crunch time is just a product of the cutthroat nature of the business because fans always demand more than a studio can provide at any one time. It's not like they waited for him to die, alive or not we'd be in the same place with the industry and it's only getting worse. Unless there's a push for developer owned enterprises and an end to endless crunch time alongside the cooperation of fans of dev studios, it'll only get worse.

The Geeks & Gamers and HeelVsBabyFace takedowns NaughtDog put out would have been way bigger news if TB was around

@@themadpyro8560 I think you're placing a lot more blame on fans than is deserved. Most of the time, fans are just 100% perfectly content to receive a game that is of good quality. A good story, good gameplay, or good characters to follow through the game (not all are necessary) are more than enough to satisfy gamers. The issues you've pointed out are much more a product of corporate decisions, typically to try to "streamline" the game production process in order to maximize profit, without taking their own employees, or their customers for that matter, into account. If you're looking for someone to blame for these shitty practices, it's probably the ones putting them in place.

@@occultnightingale1106 I never actually blamed the consumer in my comment. It's not the consumers fault at all.

I don't understand why people say that 'you just don't understand abby.' Why the HELL would we WANT to care? After killing Joel, the chance to maybe understand her is thrown out the window. The thing that she did was so horrible, nobody wants to understand her. No wait, even CAN'T understand her. In my opinion. No matter the reason, a horrible deed cannot be explained, or should be. For instance, let's say someone raped a person, or a child. Would you want to know the reason for that person's action? Fuck that! And that's the same thing that a lot of players feel about Abby. We DON'T want to understand, because she's already dead in our eyes. And after finishing the game, it only makes me want to kill her more.

@ShoLKAN But the Fireflies were going to kill Ellie that *might* have made a vaccine without even asking her. It's clear that she would have agreed, and she and Joel might have had time to come to grips with it. So it's not like Joel just killed an innocent man, even though everyone acts like that for some reason.

@@cloudkitt it doesn't matter whether ellie agreed or not, fireflies saw her as child property, that Joel was merely supposed to escort to the other side of usa.

@@oh4835 I agree with alot of that. I think the biggest design flaw in the story was viewing the audience as its own entity. I (and it sounds like u too) was seeing things through ellies eyes. I could never get that invested in abbys story (which wouldve been a cool solo game btw) because it had nothing to do with whom I was viewing as the main character. The protagonist. I know it was supposed to humanize the antaognist, but if ellie (me) doesnt see it, its never a valid arch to the original plot. Even half way through abbys sxn I was like "if ellie can see that shes changed and im given the choice, ill spare her but if not then its too little too late".

@@adamkrasneski3679 When making a character, the maker has to give the same amount of respect towards it. Cause we play and act through the character. It makes the character US. That is what differentiate video games from other types of media. When Neil cuckmann says you're not supposed to invest in a character, according to his 'brilliant' logic, we shouldn't read books or watch movies. Cause the sole purpose that people keep coming to it, is cause we invest in the story and characters. And to people who say the makers can do whatever the hell they want with their product, here's this. IT'S A PRODUCT. Cuckmann and it's followers say it's art, but it's a product first. They're a COMPANY. Not a charity group. You have to sell it before anything else. Sure, he could do anything he wants. We, the 80% of people can also NOT buy any work of cuckmann in return. Let's see if he can still talk about 'pandering' after that. A vice president saying that kind of shit to their consumers, what a dickhead.

A very underrated comment

How to identify a brainless zoomer in one sentence LUL

now I want a movie where a chick in the middle of the zombie apocalypse throws herself into a horde to get eaten after she's left tapes for everyone that boils down to "i'm getting revenge because you pulled my ponytails in middle school, nyah nyeah"

Lmao

I can't wait for the cannibal serial killer from TLOU1 to come back as a cowboy cyborg. That's an actual thing that happens in 13 Reasons Why season 4 btw, the rapist comes back as a cowboy cyborg.

69th like baby hell yeah

Actually it is perfect. 2020 was a shitty, depressing year AND THE GAME MATCHES! Way to remind us GOTY awards how bad 2020 was...

Except it’s not dogshit.

Naughty Dogshit in fact

And now we likely can't expect anything good out of Naughty Dog ever again. Apparently the -abusive- awkward development of TLoU2 sent a lot of the original Naughty Dog talent fleeing for greener pastures. From a talent perspective, they're essentially an empty shell of their former selves.

Yahtzee doesn't like Uncharted either, but in his review for Uncharted 4 you can tell nothing about it bothers him too much but he still makes fun of it.

@@slicedtopieces sheesh you actually believe what you write? damn you are too much on the internet dude. get some air

@@sampao5832 I mean, I have a life so I haven't looked into this matter, but shit like that happens a lot when decisions start being made by executives and PR divisions instead of the creative minds that made the company.

so you like kids games? that's cool.