The Last of Us: Scientists Have Already Proven Joel Was (Probably) Right

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When The Last of Us concluded its first season as a series on HBO Max, viewers are forced through the same decisions Joel has to make at the end of The Last of Us game: save Ellie and doom the world to the cordyceps infection, or allow the Fireflies to conduct a fatal operation to find a potential cure? The Last of Us series fans face the question: Was Joel Right? And in this video, IGN’s Kim Horcher contends…yeah, he kinda was.
In The Last of Us Show, Joel (portrayed by Pedro Pascal) and Ellie (played by Bella Ramsey) are forced into an impossible situation and they both save each other’s lives multiple times. Is Joel supposed to throw that away because of the Fireflies claims? Join Kim Horcher for The Last of Us explained and why The Last of Us Joel was right to do what he did to save The Last of Us Ellie.
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@josephlhommedieu6085 Год назад

Love how passionate this woman is. It sounds like she’s had this building up inside for years.

@LEQN Год назад

Let's be fair! most of us had these feelings build up for years! the game ended the same way and us gamers mostly agreed on this opinion!

@M0RGAT0RY Год назад

Probably was...

@devaldyjonathan Год назад

she was probably just reading a script she didn't make lol

@ryanevans2655 Год назад

She has 😂 the game is a decade old

@kilarymz4life772 Год назад

Sooo truee!!!

@DCstroller Год назад

One thing no one is thinking about here is logistics. Creating a vaccine is one thing but in a world like this how the heck are you supposed to get the materials and support to not only create it but distribute it?

@SurferMan127 Год назад

This is 100% a concern. The idea that the cure was some “sure thing” that was going to “save humanity” is one of a series of really terribly thought-out retcons that Druckman butchered the universe to shove into the second game.

@Andi-xm6od Год назад

@@SurferMan127 so you are an expert on how the story was originally intended? Touch gras

@yoboyrob201 Год назад

I’ve been saying this exact thing for ages. Thank you!

@buggiemara4902 Год назад

My take was that the Fireflies didn't plan on distributing the cure. They just wanted to have monopoly over it, like a bargaining chip.

@DCstroller Год назад

@@buggiemara4902 even so, how the hell were they supposed to get it across country without getting killed? Cars don’t work, no trains or airplanes. Marlene even said, more than half of her crew got killed just getting across the country. Take ontop of all of that the materials you would need to synthesize is (so going back and forth from a distribution/manufacturing center. One way or another you’d have like 15 people who are immune but would eventually just get ripped apart or shot

@dcmoutinho Год назад

Right or not, what Father or Mom would not "destroy the world" to save their kid? This was the most human choice he could made... LoU isn't a show about heroes and fantasy, it's a show that we can identify and have empathy with their choices like was ours.

@simonfarre4907 Год назад

This. This is literally it. The entire point of both games.

@Gantaipao Год назад

@@simonfarre4907 Both game? 2nd game which has alot of plot hole to fit the narrative than saying violence is bad after all the world state in it?

@simonfarre4907 Год назад

@@Gantaipao There are no plot holes in the 2nd game, not a single one. There's no character inconsistencies. And the narrative is _definitely_ not "violence is bad".

@j0ellyfish Год назад

Not even that. Why would you want to save the human race?

@doseme7 Год назад

*tlou

@pankreas2195 Год назад

Let's talk about how Marlene gave her best friend's daughter up to be sacrificed without consent by one guy who said he'd be able to cure humanity

@jimhoman6752 Год назад

And breaking her word to Ellies mother.

@amandafurrow2338 Год назад

Did not the game imply Eli knew she probably be sacrificing her life for thete to be a cure?

@winwinmilieudefensie7757 Год назад

and marlene knows how and why this fluke happened ..so she already has the cure pregnant infected mothers ..

@mischievousjr.9299 Год назад

@@winwinmilieudefensie7757 lmfao fr, sounds sick, in a twisted way, just infect pregnant mothers.

@pankreas2195 Год назад

@@amandafurrow2338 doesn't change the fact that she wasn't asked.

@saintcasey9939 Год назад

My main issue was just that she wasn't asked. They can wait. They don't have to cut her up right then and there.

@ty-zz9ic Год назад

Wtf lol since when people that kill people ask the persons permission

@analmf1210 Год назад

Would you wait for a 14 year that can not even drink, to make this kind of decision?

@MrFossil367ab45gfyth 9 месяцев назад

@ty-zz9ic , there have been people who are willing to volunteer for experiments, knowing they may get injured or die. For example, look at the space race.

@chistinelane 9 месяцев назад

How do you think animals we test on feel?

@thegodofsaiyans535 Месяц назад

@@chistinelaneSure. But your question assumes humans and animals are equal(morally speaking), which is a dumb thing to say.

@johnbrooke6867 Год назад

Thank you for this! It always just struck me as common sense that murdering your test subject means eliminating your only "source" for a cure. Why is there even an argument in people's minds about this?

@StinkFingerr Год назад

Because of the way it was presented to them.

@kenz2756 Год назад

It's sci-fi mumbo jumbo... They literally said in the episode they will extract the tissue, reproduce it, and make it a cure. Somehow, the cure is what's in the brain and the surgery of the brain would effectively kill the subject. Why are you all so caught up in this like it's somehow believable in the first place?

@evilsimeon Год назад

In the show it was necessary to make a vaccine.

@K0K0BB Год назад

@@evilsimeon not really. in the second half of the show the most dangerous life form to humans were humans. get a vaccine for that first! plus, it MIGHT have worked. im not letting someone kill me for a "it MIGHT work", let alone without even asking me.

@davidrich27 Год назад

It's called creative license. They took liberties with the nitty gritty of the science to ratchet up the stakes. This isn't a medical biopic. The purpose is to make you engage with the moral dilemma.

@madlad4597 Год назад

Its also worth pointing put that it was revealed on the 2nd game that the guy who was supposed to perform the surgery on Eillie wasn't a real doctor. He was just some guy with a bachelor's in biology. To say he did not qualify to carry out the procedure and succeed in making a cure would be an understatement. Even if he was a surgeon, a oncologist is an entirely different field of study At the end of the day, the Firelies were acting out of desperation , not rationality

@skyhunter2816 Год назад

Not true.

@Bf3Pumba9887i Год назад

@@skyhunter2816 ssssshhhh people who have played the game are talking

@johnnyflannigan136 Год назад

Umm..im on my 3rd playthrough riggt now and don't remember that at all

@Dagens24 Год назад

post-hoc rationalization

@jonfreeman9682 Год назад

Wait a minute didn't they say in the game that he was the only qualified scientist to harvest and create the vaccine. He was a very rare skilled doctor.

@jonnymooshoo Год назад

Has everyone forgotten that the show ALSO added TWO new cold open scenes in episodes 1 & 2 where BOTH experts say that "there is no cure" and "there is no medicine" for the cordycepts infection.

@MyrtDFY Год назад

And considering the world ends immediately after, we have to assume no scientific breakthrough happened between that to 20 years later

@jeremy5939 Год назад

There's plenty of diseases that used to have no cure, then someone came up with one. That's what these people are trying to do, because that's what's required to save the world. Emotion aside, the real question is, do we have enough faith in their chances of success to let them extinguish the one living immune specimen? My answer is HELL NO.

@davidrich27 Год назад

They make it pretty clear that the mainstream scientific community didn’t believe a cordycept infection was a credible threat, so no one was funding research into developing a cure. So that is more likely for why “there is no cure”. Not that a cure was impossible. And the fireflies make it pretty clear this is not a traditional vaccine or anti-fungal cure. It doesn’t kill the cordycept with chemicals or produce antibodies to attack them, the way traditional vaccines work. It’s a special hormone or pheromone that Ellie’s body produces that confuses the cordycepts into thinking that she is another cordycept rather than a human host, so it doesn’t attack her and hijack her brain.

@Low_commotion Год назад

Yeah but every disease "has no cure" until one is developed. HIV technically has no cure, yet it's manageable today. Tuberculosis & leprosy had no cure until antibiotics & vaccines.

@jacobodom8401 Год назад

they never had a baby born and develop with the coedycepts to develop an immunity.

@waveplay3978 Год назад

You're right about all these points but none of this crosses Joel's mind when he decides to kill all the fireflies

@gluemuncher65 Год назад

yeah he literally has no clue whether the cure would work or not

@dores3130 Год назад

Just a father's instinct 😂

@mst3KGf Год назад

Well no, he's just focused on getting his baby girl out. When your'e John Wicking everything, not much time for reflection.

@ShadowWolfRising Год назад

It doesn't matter, the point is it wasn't possible to begin with.

@DACatface Год назад

exactly, he's just in dad's 'save my baby' mode

@juliaelenaaaa Год назад

The way he asked “is there enough power” like you don’t even know if you have enough power to complete the surgery but you actually think you’re gonna be able to make a cure???? Girl please

@oOPPHOo Год назад

C'mon, that's just a double check. like asking asking if the scalpel is ready.

@kenz2756 Год назад

Man this sounds like a stretched cope for a fictional character that doesn't even matter. This comment section is so weird like that

@bunaioara Год назад

@@kenz2756 no spoiler but oh he matters

@kenz2756 Год назад

@@bunaioara Only way he matters is consequence killed him, and rightly so. It's just so weird people are constantly rationalizing in this comment section for what is essentially the writer's fault rather than the characters.

@dribrom Год назад

You have to understand that when a civilian collapse so does the education. Abbey's father could not have been more then 25 when the outbreak happened, lacking the experience needed. As the doctors in the middle ages after the fall of Rome had lost allot of knowledge and just experiment with allot of random ideas so do the Fire Flies do here.

@HypocritesExposd Год назад

In an apocalypse with some medical background, it’s easy to lie or boost your résumé. Abbey’s father is the real villain here as his little lie led to countless deaths.

@sinfinite7516 Год назад

Lmao plenty of people from before the fall were alive

@pennybleta9721 Год назад

@@HypocritesExposd Exactly this

@4203105 6 месяцев назад

Dude, roman doctors didn't know sh*t. They believed on humors and stuff.

@billysaint4981 Год назад

He shot the doctor because he was a threat to Eli and he saw her as his daughter at that point and all he wanted to do was get her out of that situation as soon as possible he wanted her in his arms so he can feel like he saved her he was shooting anything and anyone that stood his way no questions asked

@JLchevz Год назад

and he said he "wouldn't allow it"

@PillagingGinger Год назад

Eli😂

@par32 Год назад

Use periods.

@billysaint4981 Год назад

@@par32 ………. Now what?

@skywalker9379 Год назад

He couldn't have shot him in the foot.

@SilverKingGary Год назад

The reason Abby's dad was so quick to cut her brain out is because he wasn't a real doctor. In some documents in the 1st game you find out he started med school in 2007, That's 4 years of school + 2 years of residency meaning he wasn't a "doctor" until 2013 the same year the outbreak stared but he was somehow an accomplished brain surgeon (something that takes 14 - 16 years) and he was able to find a fungal cure something that isn't possible in modern day 2023. In reality he was a vet posing as a real doctor (which is why he was checking up on the horses in Part 2) and he was gonna sacrifice an innocent girl to cover his story then claim there was no cure knowing nobody would question the "Surgeon" and nobody would figure out the lie keeping him safe.

@ItsCreaidan Год назад

So...I despise Abby more now lmao.

@kashourikatsu2543 Год назад

Damn, that's deep

@saggyflapjax Год назад

@@ItsCreaidan why?

@saggyflapjax Год назад

They were zebras bro. Not horses, we know you aint a vet for sure now

@FatLittleButterfly Год назад

@@saggyflapjax Zebras are just horses that wanted to be pandas

@ReedsOfBabylon Год назад

FINALLY the ending of the game always felt a bit contrived. It always felt odd that they just assumed that they had a cure by murdering a teenage girl and there was no debate around that.

@fabricejoseph3393 Год назад

There was a debate about it. Marlene and Jerry argue this very topic a lot before they do anything. It was also never a sure thing, they knew it wasnt a guarantee but at least it was a shot at saving humanity.

@michellebrumwell Год назад

💯

@tmm4195 Год назад

@@fabricejoseph3393 oh please they just threw that in the second game to make marlene seem like a better person

@enigma7521 Год назад

Damn! This is a IGN video. Finally they let someone who really played and enjoyed game. Her point are what us TLOU fans been debating about since 2013

@aleksoctop Год назад

Any self-respecting sturgeon wouldn’t operate that quickly- he was a hack.

@JOEYZ-nq2gn Год назад

Yeah that "sturgeon" is definitely a fish

@omkarnadavadekar4462 Год назад

@@JOEYZ-nq2gn 🤣🤣🤣

@abhishekbhowmik3456 Год назад

@@JOEYZ-nq2gn lmao 😂😂

@aleksoctop Год назад

@@JOEYZ-nq2gn imagine wanting to perform a sturgery on someone's brain hoping to farm mushrooms to administer to others...implausible.

@JOEYZ-nq2gn Год назад

@@aleksoctop treating the brain like it's caviar waiting to be harvested is my guess 🤷

@DanyboyS7 Год назад

Joel´s choice was human. He cannot be judged. Any father would destroy the world for his daughter.

@Peace_Guard Год назад

But she's not his daughter. His daughter died, because of the pandemic (indirectly), the very thing he just decreased the chance of stopping.

@DangerDavez Год назад

@@Peace_Guard He considers her his daughter . He even compares her to Sarah in the very next scene. She's his reason for living so you really can't blame him for doing what he did. You'd do the same for a loved one.

@christhefiend 11 месяцев назад

No fool. Everyone else’s kid matters too, not just mine.

@gamingwithCONZOUL Год назад

Having only watched the show . You really have to think what can the fireflies actually accomplish it’s not like they’re a match against fedra if anything fedra would’ve had a better chance at making it work

@greghaggerty9996 Год назад

This kinda feels like it's sidestepping the point of the ending. In a work of fiction, the real world science doesn't really matter. The moral question that the game/show is asking - "Would you doom humanity to save someone you love?" - only works if we assume the cure is legit.

@Evelyn-qt3hi Год назад

This^ Whether or not a miracle cure is possible is up to the writers. The point is not scientific possibility, it's about the moral implications. Even with a cure being unlikely, the question still works of saving one person versus a chance to save all of humanity. Even if the chance is small, it could be the ONLY chance.

@station7thedoor Год назад

If that is the question the story was trying to ask, then we can only conclude bad plotting on the part of the writers. The text does not present the cure as a sure bet, only as a theoretical maybe. If they wanted it to be a sure bet, then they needed to write those scenes differently.

@chrisdin4109 Год назад

Fiction establishes internal logic. Has to follow that logic

@no_peace Год назад

They aren't asking that. In the show there's only a CHANCE to save the world. We all know it probably won't work

@michellebrumwell Год назад

@@station7thedoor 💯

@DanFarrell98 Год назад

The science was not a factor in Joel’s decision whatsoever. His decision was based solely on love and his own wants

@vikingdrengenspiders7875 Год назад

True thats what makes it so great

@pinkmenace2452 Год назад

sure but thats not relevant to the overall outcome

@ANGELOFDARKification Год назад

It's like we're back in 2013 again with these videos and topics 😂

@rhi4288 Год назад

The never ending arguments will age me bro and it’s been a decade 👵

@AceCmbatguy25 Год назад

Dude yeah it's crazy lmaoooo but we're like the veterans looking onto a new generation fighting a familiar battle 😂

@jonlava173 Год назад

OMG, TIME LOOP! The last decade… We never left..

@silverhawkscape2677 Год назад

A simpler time. Before the Pandemic and another Financial Crisis. Again.

@bibbo3167 Год назад

Even if he could make a cure, it’s not like the firefly’s would just hand it out willy nilly, even FEDRA would care more for peoples survival, and that’s saying A LOT.

@arouneshbora Год назад

Relax it’s just a fiction. Stop worrying bout it. The directors will worry about it 😂

@nalvareza Год назад

@@arouneshboradude take your opinion somewhere else

@garryarganis5801 Год назад

@@nalvareza why so serious? 🤔

@jaydee6347 Год назад

Wtf are you talking about ? This is not real we didnt bomb Italie during covid. Littéraly ign redefining rock bottom

@JayV98 Год назад

Doubtful

@gilvanalves6023 Год назад

You don't have the option to NOT kill the surgeon in the game. That is one of my major problems with the game. In any case, you can ask any doctor in the world and they probably would not support the idea of killing a patient without further studies, so this "doctor" was a psychopath.

@Lu22H Год назад

They’re in the apocalypse and this girl is highly likely to be the cure to the entire human race don’t act like sacrificing her for that cause makes someone “psychopathic” 💀

@roborbob2913 Год назад

They should have had Ellie's permission, and explain to her she won't survive and they may not even be successful.

@ashistired6456 Год назад

@@Lu22Hsedating someone and performing a fatal surgery without their consent (whether she would have said yes or not) is psychotic. just my 2 cents.

@Lu22H Год назад

@@ashistired6456 you missed out the part where it was to save literally all of humanity 🙃

@ashistired6456 Год назад

@@Lu22H you missed the part where human beings have rights

@dr_ill Год назад

To steal a comment from reddit: "It really is baffling the lengths that some people will go to destroy any sort of grey morality that the ending poses. They need the fireflies to be bad and incompetent and for the cure to be unrealistic, because it makes it easier to swallow Joel's actions. The irony in this is that it also makes the ending much worse because it would just be about a father saving his daughter from bad people by killing them."

@ryanli8371 Год назад

When people's bias is so strong that they would go as far as to discredit the other side as much as possible in order to defend what they see/believe. And its not uncommon in real life. Might even be able to think of a few examples...

@TallSilhouette Год назад

People always try to overrationalize deliberately ambiguous endings.

@khyrianstorms Год назад

It goes both ways. Murder is bad. Killing a girl without her getting a say is bad. Killing a whole hospital is worse, but it’s still bad. Motivation doesn’t get to play that big of a factor when it comes to killing. People that disagree are usually labeled as sociopaths

@DikaWolf Год назад

Cause that's how some people see the ending. It's either a dad saving his daughter from bad people, or a man dooming humanity for selfish reasons. Everyone has their arguments for either side.

@EdMottoOficial Год назад

it is already about a father saving his daughter, but it has nuance

@David-ny8zt Год назад

"Now let's head to the comments to see what the experts think"

@denniswade4998 Год назад

The greatest evils always begin by making decisions for other people without their consent.

@silverhawkscape2677 Год назад

And there are morons who agree to blinding a Person because they gave "consent" to be blinded.

@xfool Год назад

yeah , the surgery is way too soon even if they are 100% confident that it would work

@cortezbook Год назад

😂😂😂 funniest thing here is that we treat this like a real life situation. They did something big with this game

@kensredemption Год назад

Can we please, PLEASE, start making the distinction that VACCINES are used to prevent VIRAL infections? FUNGAL infections are treated with different families of drugs (azoles, polyenes and allylamine/thiocarbamates).

@Johnny.1994 Год назад

Evil is Evil. Lesser, greater, middling, Makes no difference. The degree is arbitary. The definition’s blurred. If I’m to choose between one evil and another… I’d rather not choose at all. Geralt of Rivia

@marusero25 Год назад

If she is already infected and the fungus doesn't try to convert her, why does the fungus try to attack her with other infected? Never understood this

@AlecNWMSU Год назад

She's immune cant be infected

@curlykid999 Год назад

The infected are not only trying to spread the fungus when they attack people, they are also trying to feed in order to stay alive and to increase their chance of passing on the infection. Makes sense that the infected would try and eat her since she is presenting as a normal healthy person that they could eat.

@MrFatperson Год назад

@@curlykid999 Why don't they try to eat other infected then?

@mybuddyscience Год назад

@@MrFatperson That'd just be a no Brainer, why would any organism trying to spread itself just kill itself

@americalopez265 Год назад

@2k well shouldn't they consider her "same species" since shes already infected

@TigaToonsELTiagor Год назад

Finally, someone with a sense of reality.

@eSKAone- Год назад

The ends don't justify the means, because you never know if the ends are truely reachable. The means however will imprint into your culture. 💟

@Alsborg Год назад

People forget that Jackson exists, and possibly there are more cities like it. Tommy is a former firefly, he could reach a resource barter deal: food in exchange for immunity. In a addition, on Jackson there are surely people who are experts in medicine and pharmacology to apply the dose of immunity.

@Kefka. Год назад

Jackson is an example of why not to trust the Fireflies. Tommy left them for a reason, the commune has no Fireflies or FEDRA they are both bad and not to be trusted.

@sinistergrin7053 Год назад

Also humanity isn't worth saving when the life of one has no meaning

@rorynolan2322 Год назад

Everything you say in this video applies to the original game

@JuanCampos-tc3sh Год назад

Colin Moriarty beat y’all to this conclusion when the game came out, and even told The creators of the game Neil and Bruce of his interpretation of the ending. They said no if they had preformed the surgery they would have found the cure. They’d have authority over the canon of the series at the end of the day. It’s interesting an actual scientist prospect full deep dive into the probability of success would be an awesome video.

@sharpkatana1178 Год назад

Stand down 😊

@DaleonM4 Год назад

People had a similar argument with harry potter books. The audience is the one that interprets what is consuming. Even tho the creator might have wanted something else. U can't stop people from making the same conclusions.

@sinistergrin7053 Год назад

Colin is a lil baby

@sharpkatana1178 Год назад

@@sinistergrin7053 yet you're the one on here writing about it. Grow up you lizard

@robbieclark1784 Год назад

If it's in the game they have authority over it.

@LegendOfFarore Год назад

Didn't they do this surgery a bunch of times before this and it always failed in the game and they were going to do it anyway?

@Nathan-TSU Год назад

Every time someone relate "virus" to "fungus" infection a biologist die...

@coxmanbgg Год назад

This game might be the only one in history where you rage quit from the story and not from gameplay

@Fillthrill Год назад

what?

@arkartm9989 Год назад

Of all choices available, fireflies chose death. .

@Vman_95 Год назад

We don't need Scientist's opinions for Joel's actions, any person would do the same for their loved ones.

@arturstypukowski1279 Год назад

You'd murder dozens of people begging for mercy to deliver your daughter from death that could could save the planet?!

@randomguyQuan Год назад

@Drewthemagnificent Год назад

@@randomguyQuan yes

@TheClanFollows Год назад

The removal of spores and the removal of Ellie’s consent are two major decisions that are really gonna give the second season some continuity issues

@sweepingdenver Год назад

She doesn't give consent in the game either.

@logicaljuan Год назад

Any one not sure if what the firefly’s were doing was wrong need to read “the ones who walked away from omelas”.

@anolive7535 Год назад

Humanity took Joel's daughter, so he took humanity's daughter to save himself.

@xMAJINKHANx Год назад

Game Theory also said something similar to this.

@h.i.mcdunnough9421 Год назад

And was also wrong.

@DarkKnight2037 Год назад

This is a bit more of an opinon piece, but yeah, the show doesnt justify teh fireflies' decision the same way the game had. In the game it was more definitive that a cure could be made, in tehshow, theyre not sure but thought they could. Also, whether or not the fungi grow in the brain or in all other cells is a mute point because how it is in the show isn't necessarily how it is in the show or game.I agree about the consent though

@Volkrad Год назад

These people are making Joel's decision look easy, but the whole damn point of the ending is that it wasn't easy, only easier in Joel's mind, and by saying that, they're making the ending look shallow and devoid of weight, and the weight of that decision is what makes the ending so impactful in the first place.

@h.i.mcdunnough9421 Год назад

Dammit, thank you! Someone who understands the damn story! Everybody misunderstood this back in the day and now apparently.

@Val--- Год назад

@@h.i.mcdunnough9421 agreed

@suryastephen5174 Год назад

Whether the cure can be solved by Ellie's surgery or not, the fireflies are definitely wrong. there's no way people can get a solution just by killing other people. just like Vision on Avengers says: "We don't trade lives!"

@Syxflicks Год назад

"Proceeded to trade lots of lives on the battlefield of Wakanda."

@EpiCz_Izzy Год назад

Yeah so basically what I’ve been saying since the first game came out. Eff Marlene and the Fireflies. Also, Marlene even if was at first against the procedure as shown in the 2nd game, she still ultimately failed to do what she promised Anna. To protect her.

@joaofloreshcc Год назад

Both sides have points, both side acted selfish, but none asked the person who have to choice

@CaptainTrips19 Год назад

Agreed! Also, the world has gotten used to living with the infected. There don't seem to be that many anymore anyway. Even if the "cure" worked, people are more of a danger to each other than the infected are, ain't no cure for that. Also, imagine if they did do the surgery and it didn't work.

@justinmaddox4782 Год назад

Last of us show will go down as the best video game adaptation in history hands down . Was such a beautiful show . People need start taking notes on how to make a adaptation. Because this exactly how you do it

@ChrisMorganComedy Год назад

Elli is not old enough to consent to a martyr. Even if she wanted to do it. There's a reason why we make that distinction.

@DoomedKnight Год назад

Wow this really make a lot of sense, why would they rush it if it was their only hope.

@jonfreeman9682 Год назад

They are desperate.

@pennybleta9721 Год назад

@@jonfreeman9682 Which makes them wrong and untrustworthy.

@Deagnetic Год назад

The point is he would have done the same if they conducted a thousand tests and possibly consent

@tesla9665 Год назад

Marlene think she is cool and making the right decisions🤣

@carlosconejo3880 Год назад

"for eh, many reasons" 😂

@CBZero Год назад

"Not the bugs, the people."

@ibmtpx24 Год назад

@2:17 "virus"? It is fungi. The script of this video is like a compliance EV. both are without heart in it.

@tramskivroto Год назад

Exactly, you can extract cerebrospinal fluid thus acquiring the "chemical messenger" without killing someone.

@neofulcrum5013 Год назад

Spoilers for non gamers * * * * * He might’ve also lived if he shot the Doctor in the shin or gut instead of the head.

@davidmuzia814 Год назад

You can’t do it in the game. Killing surgeon is the only choice. You try to do something else 2 goons charge the room and kill you.

@barbara832001 Год назад

Even if you shoot him somewhere non-fatal in the game he dies.

@870clan Год назад

the Doctor at the very beginning of the show said it literally is not possible to make a vaccine for the cordyceps

@oli_e Год назад

Did he know someone would be immune? This doctor comment is pretty lame

@OperationSpider Год назад

Agreed. Also please stop calling it a virus.

@weekendgamer6515 Год назад

Finally! My theory for all those years, put into words. Thank you! 🙏🏼

@h.i.mcdunnough9421 Год назад

Plenty of people have had these incorrect theories. It's a game/story, science doesnt need to line up to justify Joel's actions.

@pedroramos5715 Год назад

it's not a virus.

@Mojojojo824 Год назад

If this situation were real, yeah, it most likely wouldn’t work going into brain surgery right away😂

@KesselRunner606 Год назад

for all those who this is their first exposure to this story and its morally conflicting and ambiguous ending... Welcome to 2013

@abpolsci27 Год назад

2:15 it's not a virus.. it's a fungi. You Probably skip the episode 2.

@mrankonGR Год назад

dude.. Zombie apocalypse. Who needs consent?

@Nimster87 Год назад

It’s not about that… it’s the fact that they were going to take away this girl that he had come to love as a daughter. He didn’t want to lose another.

@greghaggerty9996 Год назад

Exactly, getting into the weeds about real world science in a work of fiction kinda misses the point.

@StephaneBergeronPixelyzed Год назад

Finally, someone who gets it... I've commented on a few videos with similar arguments but you explain this so much better here. Thank you!

@AlSween Год назад

I'm not letting a loved one get killed over a "it might work".

@janeks.3110 Год назад

Why the funghal heck everyone keeps saying "virus"? Eveb Troy Baker did so in a recent interview... -.-

@sinfinite7516 Год назад

The Last of Us people knew before that this was a plot hole, and they didn’t take the time to change it in the show 😤

@DOESlab Год назад

THey just wanted to force a big dillema as the ending

@Good_Boy_3000 Год назад

Exactly. No self respecting doctor would jump to a decision so fast. People will argue that they ran all the tests, and the way they were going was the only way forward... A: They only had run tests on her for under a month. B: Jerry isn't a doctor, just a dude with a bachelor's degree in biology. C: Though Cordyceps grows predominantly in the brain, it spreads through the spinal fluid. D: They're might've been other immune patients that they worked on previously, but failed.

@prod324ify Год назад

Yes!!! Thank you!!! I’ve literally been saying a lot of these things forever!!!

@ailurophile71 Год назад

Finally a channel with its head on straight.

@rayjaypsk Год назад

Either you buy into it or you don't, but there's no denying that hours worth of exposition to explain why the surgery would kill her is not exactly gripping entertainment.

@darthskele Год назад

If delivered by compelling characters then it absolutely could work

@av36mo Год назад

Finally! Someone approached it from a scientific perspective. This has pretty much what’s been my argument.

@djgroopz4952 Год назад

It's just a video game. It's not meant to be torn apart with real world science.

@TheWhackyIraqi Год назад

@@djgroopz4952 lazy cope to excuse poor writing.

@dewitt5149 Год назад

@@TheWhackyIraqi It’s science fiction mate

@joefission7179 Год назад

@@TheWhackyIraqi How many apocalyptic fictions are out there that apply real world science to them? You realize any story with zombies (or a similar infection) would be bad writing in your eyes because those things cant exist in real life, right?

@ShadowWolfRising Год назад

@@djgroopz4952 Except it's pretty clear that Neil wanted it to work on Real World Logic and Science.

@insertnamehere7925 Год назад

If cordyceps don’t actually go for the brain, could Sam and other runners still be conscious inside before they’re kill or turn into stalkers

@UsManALi-pg3ck Год назад

yes the fungus controls motor functions of human body and slowly takes over the brain meaning they can see whats going on but can't do anything

@ImSoConvinced Год назад

It’s these perspectives that help me understand and agree with Joel’s decision 👏🏿 fiction

@kenz2756 Год назад

The whole comment section is coping. I've no idea why people need to go to great lengths to do these post-hoc rationalizations.

@Lu22H Год назад

@@kenz2756literally this comment section is so braindead

@danielegasbarro7489 Год назад

yeah... not a virus.

@coxmanbgg Год назад

Spot on analysis IGN! Fantastic job, KUDOS!

@TheJeblis Год назад

Not a virus and you mean “raises the question” not “begs the question“

@iph2 Год назад

What if she were to have kids they would be immune too

@Good_Boy_3000 Год назад

Maybe. Assuming her immunity is genetic, and assuming the gene responsible is dominant as opposed to recessive.

@PhaseSkater Год назад

Probably considering she became immune because of her mom

@lordiromusic8550 Год назад

Joseph Anderson made this exact argument like 5 years ago

@cinephilejuices8302 Год назад

This just made it even painfull (Joel's death).😢

@ephremterefe4568 Год назад

you do know that there are people who haven't played the games right?

@Val--- Год назад

Unnecessary spoiler. Smfh

@mattwhite399 Год назад

Stannis Baratheon: “What is the life of one bastard boy against a kingdom?” Davos Seaworth: “Everything.”

@davadh Год назад

It's alright guys, we already have a ton of Reddit threads on these subject since the original game release

@rog2224 Год назад

How many people is it acceptable to vivisect? 3? 27? 290? Just keep doing it until the Brave New World is ushered in?

@realPlinkett Год назад

While the arguments in the video are true, it's missing the whole point. What does desperation do with people? Even the most noble causes can be corrupted by it. The Fireflies are becoming what they are fighting: a self-righteous, totalitarian entity. If put in the position, they would basically become FEDRA. So the real question is: Is self-preservation by all means necessary just human nature and can't be overcome?

@anubhavnegi4230 5 месяцев назад

well liked all episodes except the last one it was a big rush in the end, kind of hard to digest that fireflies would make this rash decision if they really were hoping to change the world

@choirulabidin9890 Год назад

As a gamer. What a relief

@TheLeftistOwl Год назад

How to miss the point of a story 101:

@iamherpderp Год назад

first legit ign upload. love this take

@mateowoetam Год назад

Please don't call it a "virus" lol, it's a fungus.

@The0ptimus Год назад

1:50 Neil Druckmann supposedly said that it WOULD have provided a cure…if what he said is true, you can’t just say you disagree with that.

@SurferMan127 Год назад

Why not? He didn’t support the idea that it was a sure thing in the first game, and no one is required to take something he said years later-which by the way was beyond far-fetched in the world he established-at face value. Just because the writer wants to retcon things for a second game doesn’t mean fans of the first game have to go along with it.

@Krovos_ Год назад

@@SurferMan127 It's literally his story. He has the final say.

@SurferMan127 Год назад

@@Krovos_ That’s LITERALLY not how “it” works. If he changes his mind after publication, no one is required to abide by his retcon.

@robbieclark1784 Год назад

If it's not in the game or show it doesn't count.

@uncle-bin1750 Год назад

It's not a virus...

@wescephala9770 Год назад

much respect, this take is 100 percent right

@rebotsomat Год назад

no, its subjective. And this version of the plot is boring

@chromatinkiss Год назад

@@rebotsomat The version of the plot being boring is subjective

@rebotsomat Год назад

@@chromatinkiss That said, its not the version that exists, so all of it is for nothing

@majinraptor Год назад

100% wrong imo. If there was even a 2% chance of a cure, they were right to do it. One human life vs everyone? That's not even a choice. They said they can recreate the cells in the show, so they have every chance to keep recreating it until they find a proper way to use it. Also now that Marlene knows how the immunity came about, they should have been trying to recreate it again for several years.