The Ledge Slip Macro (LSM) - Universal Ultimate Tech  

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Ganon is even worse after this one

this is actually one of the most useful techs ive seen in a while

As an edgeguard enthusiast this is my favourite day of techmas so far.

No Foxes were harmed in the making of this video. Also, since this tech can be performed in Melee, I am assuming this tech works in Brawl and SSB4 as well?

Fatality incorporates this a lot with Falcon and gets good mileage out of it in skme match ups. Taught a guy at my local this tech right before he fought palu who gets destroyed with this tech if you don't mix up your recovery well. Picked it up quick considering its really easy to implement and netted a stock with it. Definitely allows for a lot more innovation on edgeguard flow charting.

Thanks so much mr. gimmy

This tech is probably really good against Sonic since most Sonic (Including Sonix) like to ride next to the stage with spring jump so this could start forcing Sonic mains to recover high

The banana throw is insane its giving me hope ❤

Thanks you for all of these wonderful tech videos! I can't wait to see what comes next, we have 8 days left!

ready for all of the gimr vidoes this month you make great content that progresses the meta an that takes a lot!

After some experimenting, you can do this off of an aerial gun dash with joker as well. Both on platform and off ledge.

Brilliant work around!!! I wish this had been broadcast in 2018!

I feel like this isn't new tech, but it's for sure not utilized enough. At least gimms is out here showing the community how to do it.

Knowing it's an interpolated animation makes so much sense now

Tweek eating good after this one

I just want to say that I've been messing around with this, and I learned that any character with a crawl doesn't have to set this up with a foxtrot to the ledge. You can just crawl to the ledge and hit the full side input whenever you want to fall off and it just works

Dk mains gon have fun whit this

labbing this rn, it's actually insanely easy but still really useful great tech gimr 👍

This one is definitely gonna take some practice

anyone else weirded out that link didnt recover after throwing the bomb

Light might be shaking in his boots with this one

ledge trump into Desync Nana down B seems like incredible ledge option coverage for the ICs

Nice tech Gimz!!

I definitely found something useful for kazuya, thank you again for helping push the meta.

Thanks for the video!

i love that, this looks really practical

Interesting that this has applications in melee too, because the tech as a whole feels very reminiscent of melee-style edgeguarding. In melee, you often grab the ledge to edgeguard, letting you easily cover this area beneath the stage. But in ultimate, recovering low is way more powerful, so we tend to see ledge trapping to deal with this option instead. Being able to readily access this region of the stage could completely transform edgeguarding in ultimate.

thank you for your service gimmer

I'm using Sora and I haven't found a good use for this tech specifically, but it lead me to try doing an aerial with the c-stick (Back Air) right as I ran off the ledge. I just tapped forward, did C-stick BAir, and held back right as I did it so I go below the stage. It feels a lot easier to do than what you have in your video, but since it does require doing an attack, it's probably not useful if you want better timing. I was able to hug the stage without grabbing the ledge, which means I can hit his forward-facing Counter directly below the ledge. In fact, I have so much more control over going under the stage if I just buffer an aerial right as I get off the ledge. I can slowfall or fastfall, I can do a FAir after I fall for a bit, I can counter, I can up B, I can use Magic! Thunder looks SUPER useful since it can completely cover the ledge and far below it. This can open up a lot of options, and it probably works for any character who has a fast enough aerial. Edgeguarding is looking crazy.

holy shit this is really good. finally consistent edgeguards against palu

The aerials and desyncs were so cool. Also the method in general since i always walked towards the ledge and then held crouch and used the old method. THE BANANA 🍌 IS NUTS 🥜. its so cool imo that its a one frame link to. As for mac he gets two things off of ledge slip and I'll try to implement this tech to get into position faster 👍🏼 Ive also been practice the zdrop with my pocket Pacman a lot and zdrop > ledgedrop/grab ledge is so cool

No one commenting on the trailer for the merch??? That had me rolling, amazing work!

Oh Light is gonna love this

looks like edgeguarding is back on the menu boys

YOOO NEW MELEE TECH TO LEARN

This seems like the same principle to the samus tech known as "bird pooping"

Most useful and easiest to implement of Techmas so far.

Most useful one so far

Yea i think i watched a video on this some years back. I definitely use even today

Underrated tech

wow this is nuts

This came out as I was watching the first 3 in a row 😂

Fatality showcases this one in his falcon guide

thank you gimster

I hope this makes the hero ledge slip up b a lot easier because I struggle with doing it

AWSOME!

It makes recovering low so much riskier.

Light is like "WTF, use someone else's linear recovery ffs"

Melee tech!

There is a method that doesn't use the 2 frame walk macro that's just as fast as this, and faster than this to do with no premeditation required. There is a very precise angle (α) to input on the control stick where the horizontal distance between the center and the stick ( |cos(α) * radius| ) is just big enough to input a full walk that allows to get off ledge, and just small enough to not input run. I need to test it on my computer to get the stick angle window / stick distance window, but to me it seems quite humanely possible to constantly pull off with enough practice. With LSM, it's technically super easy to pull off constantly, if you don't care about being super quick. If you wanna be quick with LSM, I would think that it's adds a layer of difficulty to pass by this intermediate step of doing the diagonal 2 frame macro before inputting forward. One situation illustrating this a lot would be if you want to ledge slip this way right after landing for a lil mixup. Doing the macro right before landing or during landing lag is hard. And doing it in the air will make you drift, potentially messing up the positioning of your landing if you want to land right on the edge to immediately ledge slip. However, with this precise angle technique, it's just one movement to do while you land and you're good to go without having to have initiated the 2 frame macro beforehand. I don't study neurology, but I would think that the necessity of having to use a 2 frame macro during some kind of animation (like run skid) before doing the ledge slip will force more premeditation into the player's thoughts. With this precise angle technique, it's just one singular movement that can be done at any time. The player would feel way more free to do this without premeditating so much, which allow better reactions.

ah yes a new melee tech in 2023 this game will never die

My ears are ringing with fox death sounds

We got pretzel motions in smash, let's gooooo

Thank you GimR, Very cool

I'm glad GimR uses different characters as punching bags w different videos, I was starting to feel bad for Joker

There is niche application for me personally: if inputed very fast with L stick away immediate following L stick in It becomes a ledge trump. For someone like me who doesn't trump consistently it helps.

Fun fact, with Lucas you can run up to the ledge, quickly input the opposite direction and input a short hop z-air and he will instantly grab the ledge. This is great for ledge trumps. I don’t see many Lucas players doing this so when I found out about it I thought you might want to know

Yooo! Lets go Jonas!

This is going to be so useful for Rosalina. She can go so deep and Dair and Fair can cheese stocks at 50-60%, and they both combo from nair (which you can fast fall off the ledge easily to set this up).

Light after this video: "Hello, may I take your order?"

Def not new but a good explanation of it fully I imagine

It’s funny I saw Chunkykong using this and the DSC before these videos came out

Not quite the same tech, but there is also an easy way to buffer neutral/forward airs and neutral/down specials the frame you leave the ledge. Fast buffered nairs can also have the same application of hitting recoveries, especially tethers, before the 2-frame. Of course, you still have all of your dash momentum, so after the first few frames you're still quite a bit further out than with LSM. However, for some big, quick moves like Yoshi's nair it's even easier and faster to catch people snapping to the ledge than LSM. I made a (very poor quality) video about this years ago, and JforJonas also made a (much better quality) one as well if anyone's interested. You'll see JforJonas go though a couple of examples with Chrom down special and Incineroar nair: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-B-6dzCf_2mI.htmlsi=P1ClmwGjTf7GHznW ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Nk85614IOyE.htmlsi=tDQ4C3Q6PUVi1U1t

Light watching this pissed. Tweak watching this hype

welp, Light just dropped a little in the ranks

i dunno if tweek does this but if not could lead to even better edgeguards

Hello, I have some techniques but they have not been disseminated, nor do I have a great way to record them, would you like to make them public? Greetings from Mexico I uploaded them to Twitter but the quality is bad Is sheinst Hop and sech-cancel the latter has several uses

This also works with dash shield ledge slip, dash attack ledge slip and roll ledge slip. But I was only able to get the Mario instant land back air and diddy kong banana ledge slip consistently with the dash shield ledge slip.

Not trying to die/stay on the stage finna be hard

This seems useful against anyone who is hugging the stage for recovery. First thought was Krule or Marth

Light is gonna have to find a new character to main 😂

Kirby top tier confirmed

FIRE! HAAAAEUGH!

This might actually be gamechanging, low recoveries have always been broken but this could change things

Heuu. What about the instant trump tech. The one where you run and do an half circle back when reaching the ledge and you instantly grab it. It seem to work with the same mechanics. So I was wondering.

8:27 I wish you put inputs there too, because I didn't understand what you meant in those instances (get there early/too close). What should one do there to get the ledge slip?

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That can maybe be good for Pacman to catch his items from pocket to hand like key and galaga

Imma use this to swag

This is a similar tech found by Sora players, I believe I saw dusty_carpet and ferps doing ledge slip firaga and counter although both was not quite the same tech as this

Tries on Seph... Ohh yes I forgot he's can't be touched

The question now becomes whether or not todays meta of smash players have the fundies to pull this off consistently

Corrin up air. Nuff said.

I use this a lot and it's really useful for edgeguards You can time it really easily and it isn’t hard to do Another way to ledgetrump

Light quivering in his boots

Kome does this a lot to put dair on the ledge as shulk

Thank God for body press iron defense foul play and metal burst

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Fox: FIR-HARRGGHHHH!

RIP Light 🥹

I picked a horrible time to go back to school lmao

Fox mains are cooked after this

Tweek is winning next tournament

This has got to be how Squid the Cat sets up his teeters.

Item characters are all S tier I swear

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0:10 i didnt know gimr had vlone like dat

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So tldr is holding up forward or down forward better