Double Shield Cancelling (DSC) - Universal Ultimate Tech

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Day 1 of Techmas is here! Get ya merch here: spif.space/gimr | Follow Seibrik: / seibrik | Watch Seibrik's Video on DSC here: / @seibrik
Update: I forgot that ‪@GraceAndGlorySmash‬ taught me that SH Macro cancel's grounded Up-B! Go subscribe to him, he makes really good Smash content!
Techmas Day 1 is here! Double Shield Cancelling is Smash Ultimate tech that allows you to buffer jump oos. If you the Macros I came up with, you can also buffer IDJ aerials out of shield as well as frame 1 aerial up-b OOS (with out letting go of the shield buttons). It also allows you to do frame 1 aerial item tosses out of shield. In this video I also go over Full Hop IDJ vs. Short Hop IDJ!
Main Edit by Kafonn from @SmashUniversity
Final Edit by GimR
Chapters:
00:00 - Sub to Smash U!
00:12- Tech Preview
01:22- Context
02:08 - Follow Seibrik on Twitter
02:37 - DSC Explained
05:08 - Buffered IDJ Aerials OOS
07:25 - Lucas
08:05 - Buy my merch ty!
08:34 - Buffered Frame 1 Aerial Up-B OOS
11:37 - Buffered instant Aerial Item Toss OOS
12:29 - Full Hop IDJ!
14:08 Turn on Notifications ty!
Corrections:
- Mewtwo Nair on Pika Back Air doesn't work (Although it does work on a LOT of moves SH nair would normally miss on)
- The Sonic clip is true (even though Fox shields in the clip), I just messed up when recording
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@GimR 6 месяцев назад

Get your merch here: spif.space/gimr | Follow Seibrik: twitter.com/Seibrik | Watch Seibrik's Video on DSC here: www.youtube.com/@seibrik

@wisteqs6644 6 месяцев назад

i know you probably mentioned what some of the buttons in your examples do.. but it could probably help more if there were words like "special" "jump" "move stick" "attack" "grab" around their respective buttons for better clarity nice tech tho

@roboto12345 6 месяцев назад

If I DSC with the B button instead do the inputs change?

@timothymoore8549 6 месяцев назад

It only took 30 years for a good DK out of shield option and it was on accident

@carharttcarpenterpants 6 месяцев назад

loll

@domthebandit9366 6 месяцев назад

He had this the whole time but Chunky is the one who pushed it lol

@vvlaze 6 месяцев назад

@@domthebandit9366i forgot there was a player named that, so for a moment I thought you were referring to Chunky Kong a hypothetical echo fighter who somehow had a good out of shield game. Snapped out of that real quick lol

@snivydream 6 месяцев назад

If this is the first one, bro will litterally reverse the whole tier list in 10 days

@GimR 6 месяцев назад

Make sure and check the schedule in the community tab LOL. Don't want y'all to think EVERY video is gonna be this long / have this much info in it.

@rinoyujin 6 месяцев назад

😂😂😂

@snivydream 6 месяцев назад

@@GimR I mean sure but still even then what you released there is pretty big

@Tonjit41 6 месяцев назад

That's one too many "t"s buddy. No like for you.

@qube833 6 месяцев назад

Lucas buff goes crazy

@carsonguzman4709 6 месяцев назад

Can’t wait to watch the rest of all these videos of new tech I’m never gonna use 😂

@wildberry752 6 месяцев назад

Yeah like he lier about last time

@dylcoll2756 6 месяцев назад

this doesnt seem very useful for tap jumpers

@webbowser8834 6 месяцев назад

@@dylcoll2756 I dunno man, that full hop IDJ looks kinda neat towards the end.

@echospace7347 6 месяцев назад

@@wildberry752na all pros slingshot now lol

@wildberry752 6 месяцев назад

@@echospace7347 actually no not all

@kenoid 6 месяцев назад

nintendo gonna rise from the grave and patch it after this is over

@AbsoluteXel. 6 месяцев назад

And just this. Watch.

@MasterHandSpazz 6 месяцев назад

That's more reach than melee marth

@ejg23_ 6 месяцев назад

And then buff Steve.

@tumultoustortellini 6 месяцев назад

Misplaced hopium. They should, but we all know nintendo at this point

@dabcat939 6 месяцев назад

It's never going to be patched away and future GimR’s tech accents Nintendo never patched Steve’s hit stun cancel.

@VerbalLearning 6 месяцев назад

I always feel a little conflicted when watching new tech videos for smash because on one hand, it tends to have little to zero impact on the actual competitive scene despite the potential hype that people may or may not drum up for the tech. On the other hand, regardless of it's impact, practicality and viability i do still just love it when people nerd out on a game and find really small and obscure optimizations. The discovery process and the explanation of how it actually works is often quite interesting. So i tend to watch and enjoy it just for that.

@isaacnikolic5895 6 месяцев назад

Slingshots ended up having a big impact for sword characters.

@Spyder-Marth 6 месяцев назад

Slingshot made Marth much more playable and it also made swordies in general (and Sheik) mad better on stage. This new tech will certainly make the scene grow in skill and complexity in about a few months.

@brandonebanks86 6 месяцев назад

The impact of this tech isn't immediate. Give it a little bit. It won't chant tier lists but it'll change the dynamics & flow of some MUs, if not make for some interesting interaction & exchanges.

@ABC-ik9vj 6 месяцев назад

Sephiroth improved a lot

@captainphoton1693 6 месяцев назад

Who care if slingshot was actually good. (first most tech are only useful for a handful of characters that welcomes it warmly). I just look cool doing it. For how much I love nick brawl 2, I can't slingshot there. You know how melee player sometimes don't like ultimate just because they love waved ashing so much. We'll that's me with slingshots. Maybe I just more used to not having my vavorites movement tech in games tjos. Because I can dash jump instant fast fall like in brawlhalla. Literaly slingshot but lower further faster, and you can aerial sing landing don't cancel them. You can also land and dash back instantly. Or gravity cancel a smash in the air. I love movement tech.

@lwi_sandwich 6 месяцев назад

Uh Oh. Back to the lab again.

@takionygo6752 6 месяцев назад

we messed up

@EchidnaKida 6 месяцев назад

Back to the lab again

@prof.person8853 6 месяцев назад

Not again

@Closed_Captions 6 месяцев назад

Back to the lab again

@brain_cell 6 месяцев назад

For a second I thought your pfp was a c4w

@VarsVerum 6 месяцев назад

Every cloud player just got nerfed

@xael-the-artist7708 Месяц назад

YES SIR!

@Joost8910 6 месяцев назад

Watching the preview and seeing the IDJ out of shield made me immediately think, oooh, this will be GREAT with mewtwo and then seeing that mewtwo clip using it made me smile.

@ggnicklu 6 месяцев назад

I AM SO HAPPY

@TyphonCH 6 месяцев назад

I wonder how low to the ground up air will hit using this tech. That could be super busted

@Deathraze1 6 месяцев назад

That Cfalcon upB is wild. I knew he could do something similar to extend the hitbox further away but this seems so much more consistent. Very cool stuff. I'm excited to see what else is in store.

@olbluelips 6 месяцев назад

I’m so scared of the mega drift falcon up b lol

@wuhhlfarg353 6 месяцев назад

For falcon this tech isnt anything New its called the tokyo drift Or perhaps this one OS slightly diffrent Any tech-heavy falcon Mains feel free to correct me

@theoriginalecho 6 месяцев назад

6:11 You know he's committed when the house is burning down. Smoke detector doesn't phase him

@cold_llama 6 месяцев назад

Some of the tech doesn’t work for characters that have a zair. Instead of a normal aerial coming out, a zair (typically short hop zair) comes out instead

@GimR 6 месяцев назад

oh good point! I forgot to mention that!

@cold_llama 6 месяцев назад

@@GimRI had thought that the aerial special move stuff out of shield also didn’t work because of zair, but it does, I was just timing it wrong. So just normal aerials out of shield with this method don’t seem to work for characters with zair

@TheSLATEcleaner 6 месяцев назад

Actually massive for lower level players. I'm a couch warrior and casual with no main and went from not being able to IDJ period to being able to consistently IDJ aerial out of shield in about three minutes with no changes to controls (I was already playing with both left shoulder buttons as shield). Quite literally spent four minutes practicing shielding by putting my finger over both left shoulder buttons instead of just one, jumped into a game and hit IDJ Up-Air > Up-B at kill% with Sora while fishing for it first time the Up-Air connected. Great QoL tech for slow hand folks.

@chimmychuck 5 месяцев назад

find a main. ideally look at the tier list and find an A-S tier character that you like

@GimR 6 месяцев назад

Update: I forgot that @GraceAndGlorySmash taught me that SH Macro cancel's grounded Up-B! Wanna give him credit for that. Go subscribe to him, he makes really good Smash content! www.youtube.com/@graceandglorysmash

@siringc 6 месяцев назад

I just tested it out, so I don't know all the details, but you don't need tap jump to do the full hop idj, you just need to jo a normal jump right after a short jump within a couple frames and you'll get the full hop version of the idj. I could also just be saying something that's already been found out but I figured I'd leave it here just in case.

@Tonjit41 6 месяцев назад

Your "Within a couple frames" is the thing gimr lives to destroy

@FerousFolly 6 месяцев назад

yeah that's what idj is, tap jump just makes idj easier. personally I use two fingers on one trigger (ZR) for my idjs; middle finger kind of flicks down past the trigger pressing it and then sliding off the bottom edge, then my index finger lands on the trigger right after. makes idjs really easy and consistent even without being in hitstop or endlag.

@siringc 6 месяцев назад

tbf it's not really that hard, think Kazuya EWGF - 2 frame window to execute it but it's really not that hard in practice. I get what you mean though.@@Tonjit41

@Caronage_ 6 месяцев назад

when doing that instant up b, if right before your special comes out you hold a different direction, you can get a different special

@Carlisho 6 месяцев назад

The fact that a game can still be optimized to such degree 5 years into its life is honestly mind blowing. This series is going to save Ultimate’s competitive scene… or straight up kill it. These will be some interesting two weeks.

@SSJPENGUIN 6 месяцев назад

All Smash titles continue to develop yonks after release Which is why Smash 4's meta development ending abruptly will always be sad to me

@hey7306 6 месяцев назад

@@SSJPENGUINBayonetta would always be a broken menace no matter what new tech was discovered. Just looking at her frame data and hitboxes it's almost like they purposely made her broken

@echospace7347 6 месяцев назад

Fossil fighters still has a developing competitive meta-don’t be surprised😂

@krusher181 6 месяцев назад

@@SSJPENGUINyonk

@MilfSlayr 2 месяца назад

@@SSJPENGUIN Smash 4 had so much potential fr. I hope a platform fighter like Smash 4 appears one day

@Spyder-Marth 6 месяцев назад

This tech made OOS so much more dangerous for certain characters. I can't wait to see it implemented. Corrin can cover way more range in the front and behind him with Nair. That will be super interesting. IDJ Uair/Nair with Corrin and Marth OOS can also be pretty nice to implement.

@romance0038 6 месяцев назад

marth IDJ fair/bair OoS can also be used as an OoS techchase starter that positions him directly above his opponent so he can punish neutral getup/mis tech/ getup attack with ff dair. Maybe even uair

@snivydream 6 месяцев назад

Bro is started watching u days ago and here you are, this really is the multiverse

@olbluelips 6 месяцев назад

Woah, this is super cool! Great work as always gimz, my Lucas main friend will be excited for this

@brysonmcfaull1218 6 месяцев назад

This video just kept on giving! Thanks for the juicy content Gimr, and thank you Smash University editing team!

@ChooChooTrainny 6 месяцев назад

It wasn’t until you showed the DK up B that I realized I’ve been doing this on accident since the game came out. So many characters I was wondering how the hell I managed to start a rising up B from the ground with DK or the Links. Thank you for this

@noahc6804 6 месяцев назад

Hero mains have known about the short hop up B thing for a while, one cool application with frame 1 short hop woosh is that it perfectly places hero on the top platform of battlefield leading to true combos if the opponent gets hit.

@vasserdrachen 6 месяцев назад

Super informative and awesome! Thanks for the video Mr. Gimr!

@SSJPENGUIN 6 месяцев назад

I hate the buffer in Ultimate but it's very interesting to see all the innovation built around it!

@MrJapanUnderground 6 месяцев назад

Oh no. Ice Climbers are about to get a MAJOR buff from this.

@Zachruff 6 месяцев назад

FR and JP subtitles are a nice touch, nice work

@defianthound407 6 месяцев назад

Out of all competitive games Smash constantly retains the most availability for player identity and expression than any other.

@krusher181 6 месяцев назад

@statichammer9984 6 месяцев назад

Just as a small side point, I believe that this also lets you bypass the damage reduction from short hop attacks while still letting you throw out an aerial at or around that height.

@D_To_The_J 6 месяцев назад

I see this being useful for ledge trapping.

@Silver19897 6 месяцев назад

I can’t believe we hadn’t thought of this any sooner. The double shield locking out dodges and such has been common knowledge for so long, but nobody just… mashed. Wild. First thought is that this gives Greninja a legitimate oos option, which would be incredibly cool to see.

@definiteg4909 6 месяцев назад

DK can now use his up-B as a reliable burst option now with this tech

@johnlucas1624 6 месяцев назад

This is so awesome! I think could be so good.

@yellowishnesses1138 6 месяцев назад

I've known about the instant-double jump thing for a long time. I didn't know about the other stuff, but I've always used the double shield to make instant double jumping easier.

@Fpl8646 6 месяцев назад

This is wildly awesome

@striker5563 6 месяцев назад

I actually wasn't aware about the difference in full hop and short hop IDJ, but I probably should have noticed when I was trying to learn ferps tech and using tap-jump always made me land on the platform, but not using tap-jump would make me have to delay my double jump slightly.

@Echoesoftimelover 6 месяцев назад

Nice video!

@nonamesonme1 6 месяцев назад

Love it!🎉❤

@mr.mazoku1305 6 месяцев назад

That trailer was so fucking awesome for no reason

@m-a-t-t6869 6 месяцев назад

merry Techmas everybody 🎅

@heartbreaker2485 6 месяцев назад

Giving me, a lowly mk player, some fox counter play is already the best Christmas gift I could ask for

@inediblemangoes7797 6 месяцев назад

Nice video gimr!

@reireileii 6 месяцев назад

ty for saving uli

@PuppetMasterIX 6 месяцев назад

Question about the Up-B tech: In lieu of a second shield button, I use R as a second special button. While this works fine for the IDJ aerials, I can't seem to get it to work with Up-B; it just results in an up-air. Is it right for me to assume that the Up-B tech is non-viable with my control scheme?

@GimR 6 месяцев назад

yeah for the up-b tech you got do 2 shield buttons unfortunately :/

@mrmunchin2578 6 месяцев назад

found out or not i’m happy to have gimr explain it

@oscarcalles4117 6 месяцев назад

Bro that DK up B gonna bump him up a whole tier. And that Capn Up B range was obnoxious as hell.

@Wiwcac 6 месяцев назад

Im excited to see new tech because Im so new to ultimate. Only had it two months. Anything I learn will be part of my development.

@elcriadoporlobos7935 6 месяцев назад

I am curious, what is your main character?

@Wiwcac 6 месяцев назад

@@elcriadoporlobos7935 Hero is my main. Trying this tech has, I think, at least made nair out of shield faster, and misinputting has made me throw out neutral B midair a few times that seemed pretty fast. To fulfill roles which he does not, I also am experimenting with Plant, Toon, Isabelle, Inklinng,

@El_Kases010 6 месяцев назад

That lucas looked so smooth❤❤❤

@fahaiven9709 6 месяцев назад

HE MADE IDJ’S EASY WHTTT

@illialidur8244 6 месяцев назад

This seems low key kinda nutty

@seanrees97 6 месяцев назад

Still getting PTSD from that outro. Beautiful

@naindoza 6 месяцев назад

Thanks for the video. When this tech was first released, I was hyped for "buffered footstools" out of shield. But then I realized what you said at 3:42 which basically ruined it for me, hits on your shield completely reset the buffer. This combined with how awkward the input is just makes "normal" jump buffering OoS for footstools much better and easier imo. You don't have to hold multiple buttons but for that you have to time the direction input as a little trade-off.

@dontexplode2 6 месяцев назад

This is going to be fun with Steve and G&W

@cmawhz 6 месяцев назад

i love the way he makes eye contact with the camera. its like he really can see me picking my nose while i mouth breathe, slack jawed in my underwear late at night but he has to finish his speech before acknowledging my state of existence.

@tatekaste7238 6 месяцев назад

MONKE OOS OPTION LETS GOOOO OLD SAINT GIMR DELIVERING THIS CHRISTMAS

@WhiphTikoto 6 месяцев назад

Peach main here; between this tech, short hopping, float cancelling, fast falling and fast fall cancelling, I’m gonna need Fingers Premium.

@FOOD2o 6 месяцев назад

6:13 that fucking smoke alarm got me to pause and look around lmao

@foxfalcowolf1989 6 месяцев назад

On the first day of Smashmas what GimR gave to meeeeee

@SillyLilFella 5 месяцев назад

I just started the video, seeing the Lucas movement at 0:53 is amazing

@infinityheart_tm9270 4 месяца назад

It’s a consistent rule that whenever a universal movement tech gets discovered, Lucas is usually really good with it.

@alansmithee920 6 месяцев назад

Fox's Up B could probably shield smash if you landed all of the hits from the startup. portion

@PrimeFlash93 6 месяцев назад

Seibrik: Say-brick GimR: See-brick see-brick see-brick

@leafofufo3264 6 месяцев назад

I’m so Hyped

@ngcf4238 6 месяцев назад

GiMR has returned! ❤

@BocchitheGwak 6 месяцев назад

Can’t wait

@SweetsSsb 6 месяцев назад

I dont do fancy tech but I watched all of this cause I love high level smash

@PoisonousShiv 6 месяцев назад

Tech so fire the alarm went off 6:20

@smashnightinc399 6 месяцев назад

Great video as always! I've been shaky on this since Sebrik's video and still am clearing things up. If you're using this to punish an aerial on your shield with a footstool, is the idea that you'd [re]input jump after your shield is hit and then need to release a shield button and press jump again?

@topisha5829 6 месяцев назад

The inputs go, shield is hit > press jump (with two shields pressed) > within 10 frames, release shield > press jump again (after jump squat) = footstool. It allows you to get faster footstools more consistently by giving you a 10 frame window to time your first jump. It turns it from, press jump twice really fast and hope you get a footstool to press jump > release shield > press jump again. More inputs, but more relaxed hands ends up making it more consistent.

@Favx 6 месяцев назад

@6:10 I put the video on pause because I thought something was going on around me but I guess you had some loud construction around you at the time of recording, that loud backup alarm had me confused for a minute

@wits_end. 6 месяцев назад

It's going to be so easy to optimize sora now

@Zwyrx_Hgqfyggz 6 месяцев назад

By the end of the year Ultimate is gonna become Melee 2

@rj27basketball 6 месяцев назад

You got me at Lucas wavedash I’m coming back to this game

@Eragonnogare 6 месяцев назад

Could this work with zdrops as well? For example, oos ROB zdrop gyro to go straight into a combo oos. (how fast would that be coming out? Might be very good.)

@strikerali2160 6 месяцев назад

DK’s have been exploring aerial up B, but this makes it even faster!!!!!! This is freaking crazy, Chrom and ROB can’t spam my shield anymore 😭 finally

@ricorichardson5945 6 месяцев назад

We (DK) found this out essentially already. R-Jump + C-stick up + Special is perfect. And thats what steve mains were doing already.

@evanpinkney4545 6 месяцев назад

I wish Rosa had Steve's attack hitbox on her upb.

@jaidsalgado 6 месяцев назад

This is pretty useful is labbed and practiced properly for many characters and its only the first day of tech, sheesh

@zioal3171 6 месяцев назад

So it means that Peach can toss turnips faster?

@GimR 6 месяцев назад

Makes it easier for her to do it in on shield (So if she slightly mistimes she still gets the right input), as well as doing it immediately out of shield if no one touches it with just a slide of the thumb

@weebrahimmmm7269 6 месяцев назад

Honey new sora tec just dropped 🗣️

@eGG-pi2qd 6 месяцев назад

So hype

@XEPHOURIA 6 месяцев назад

I don't play ultimate anymore, but I'm so happy all this new tech is really good for Sora, I swear by my allegiance, that boy will be a top 10 threat one day.

@SomeoneNooneTomatoes 6 месяцев назад

Neat stuff but I’m definitely gonna grab while people are practicing this.

@mafiption8269 6 месяцев назад

very true, it happened to me

@Miracle7Seven 6 месяцев назад

LUCAS AND WAVEDASH MENTIONED YEEAAAAH also Melee is sick

@Tomfoolery_Inc. 6 месяцев назад

great now sonic has a projectile combo extension and escape option out of shield all in one! its gonna make his attack options and his escape tactics (even more) broken!

@Tomfoolery_Inc. 6 месяцев назад

which is have no problem with to be clear

@WesleyFiles 6 месяцев назад

Best thing about Gimr vids; he isn't foolish enough to use Adobe Enhanced Speech.

@sidtheshuckle 6 месяцев назад

Watch one of the techmas days buff Steve again

@Wiwcac 6 месяцев назад

Follow up advice request: recently got a Game Cube style controller, so don’t want to go back to my pro/dual joycon. Since I am adamantly using L for jump and need one more on my buttons, which would you map to a second shield button? And what button sequence would you use? Right now my R and X are shield with L and Y as jumps.

@gothtearz 6 месяцев назад

9:21 for frame one ariel up b you can legit just jump and then c-stick up and special during the jump squat so idk about that part. way easier and also better since your left stick is free to move in any direction so you can hold hard left or right and not diagonal up like you say in the vid. rest of the video is cool tho 🥺

@topisha5829 6 месяцев назад

Gimr didn't talk about it, but I'm pretty sure his tech allows you to buffer any aerial special out of shield, not just up special. I also do the c stick up tech, but this one only lets you buffer aerial up b and really only works with gamecube controller unless you make a decent amount of changes to your controls (you need to press c stick up and b with only your thumb while clawing jump if you don't change controls). Not super common but there are definitely characters that can benefit from buffered aerial specials out of shield other than up b. idk, ganon side b or smthn

@simplerabbit2186 6 месяцев назад

I prefer the Jump > grab > special. method.

@gothtearz 6 месяцев назад

@@topisha5829 uhm maybe i misunderstood but for ariel specials outside of up b you can just do it normally, no? like the reason for needing a special series of inputs in order to do a frame one ariel up b is because of how normally, trying to buffer an ariel up b would cancel the jump squat and give you a grounded one. with other specials just buffer it during the jump squat normally and youre good. you are right about how inconvenient having to change controls is tho yeah.

@topisha5829 6 месяцев назад

@@gothtearz forgot about that, but I also just realized that it gives a much easier way to short hop special out of shield which is a lot harder with the c stick method or the normal jump special method. (short hop specials hit lower to the ground)

@gothtearz 6 месяцев назад

@@simplerabbit2186 omg wtf that is so much easier youre actually cracked

@andresmoledo4730 6 месяцев назад

As a DK main, I approve of this message

@Sickmmaner 6 месяцев назад

You gave Donkey Kong Whirling Fortress

@iseqweem5570 6 месяцев назад

Imagine smash tournaments when techmas is over, its SO OVER

@zarbaboiarchive1680 6 месяцев назад

i thought that was my fire alarm

@steddymine 6 месяцев назад

HYPE

@unlikelybread5411 6 месяцев назад

Hype!!

@dylanthecrawlr 6 месяцев назад

Sora mains be eating good

@Spyder-Marth 6 месяцев назад

Sora top tier for suuuure

@youdontneedtoknow7548 6 месяцев назад

When are they not?

@ahny3814 6 месяцев назад

Yess pls

@randomguy8107 6 месяцев назад

Oh, it’s the Guy in my Recommended again

@welfare_ninja 6 месяцев назад

:O I cant wait

@PSIChris 6 месяцев назад

Bro invented the Reposte

@DarkThomy 6 месяцев назад

How do you get the instant back air with banjo though?? I'm trying to do it with ridley but didn't get what input it is.

@XenoPlayed 6 месяцев назад

I had a hard time doing the Up B variant at first, but it's because I had A+B Smash on it seems! I got it first try once I turned it off. (You probably mentioned it in the video and I just didn't notice, oopsies in that case ^^')