The Mario Kart Wii Cheating Epidemic 

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i guess i'm not brilliant

...sigh.

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@@Bulliegh According to Merriam-Webster, another definition for synonymous is, "having the same connotations, implications, or reference," with their given example being, "to runners, Boston is synonymous with marathon." Try to actually *verify* yourself before being a prick online.

yeah same

I remember a record on Luigi's circuit, as the baby luigi ghost would keep hitting the walls randomly my child self thought It was a glitch and i tried to do it😭😭

I noticed the same thing, but I didn't think they were legit because the time trial ghosts never finished the course. Interestingly, one of those was of the Mushroom Gorge Ultra Shortcut, but I didn't think it was legitimate despite finishing the course because it just didn't make sense to me at the time until I discovered SummoningSalt's Ultra SC video years later and finally learned the truth.

Me too bro, my cousin even had the home brew channel and so he convinced me he actually figured out what to do

I remember one of these on moo moo Meadows now that i think about it

This is also why TASes should always be released as input files that others can play back, instead of just as videos. This makes it impossible to cheat, since the inputs made with cheats on wouldn't make sense without those cheats. When others play back the inputs without the cheats enabled, the movement of the character would get out of sync with what the inputs assume, typically bonking into walls or falling into pits, and definitely not finishing in record time. All records on TASVideos are done via input files and are therefore cheat-proof, but not all tasing is done there, and sadly just publishing a video on youtube is pretty common and very easy to fake. Input files are just a few kB in size, so there's really no excuse not to publish them. That's why I think it's a bit suspicious when people don't.

mkw tases have the same verification process as you mentioned, it just took as of recent for it to be applied.@@amaureaLua

Cheating on a TAS is the same as the guy who tried making up an element

@@amaureaLua nowadays the MKW TAS community has standardized submitting RKGs for BKTs publicly

It's also an oxymoron

Reminds me of the guy who was making a 2D Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time game in RPG Maker many MANY years ago who faked his death because he didn't want to work on it anymore. Was a shame, what he had was pretty nice, but I guess the pressure got to him. Though at least he was working on something cool and positive for the community. This guy faking his death from cheating...a lot of people legit wish he REALLY died. he has no shame so why would we feel sorry for him?

@@MarioMastarfear o nintendo i guess

@@MarioMastar dude he was cheating at a video game, no need to get all sociopathic over fucking mario kart

typical 13 year old move, classic

@MarioMastar It goes to show the error of assuming there is a "community." Top speed runners certainly form one. But fans of a game don't, not just by playing the same game, and most people who think of themselves as part of such a "community" have no stake in it & can't expect it from others.

So they are the friendlies of cheaters?

​@yeah basically - their tag was FTL (for the lose - because they were intentionally trolling)

@@Starwort i think we're talking about different groups but it's nice that there were others also

@@iilikecereal I'll be honest I never encountered any troll hackers when I was playing mkw; I guess I was never really on at times/levels where they were - but I *do* remember old mrbean35000vr videos where he's tagged FTL and doing a bunch of trolling lol

Agreed, fun cheaters were pretty great. One of my friends, Ness, was the fun cheater type. He used a Mii I made of the Masked Man from Mother 3 and would go around giving everyone thunder clouds for speed boosts and stars to just screw around for funsies. There was a video of us just ramming the poor cows on Moo Moo Farm with the stars before. Whenever a cheater that's out to harass the other players would join the room, Ness/Masked Man would go after that guy and fight back until they'd leave to go get their jollies elsewhere in a less protected room.

Your comment had me going "oh no, is this a cheat defender" at first, since the preview only showed the top line. You got me.

​@@Abyssoft XD Not my intention, but I'll take it. Love your content!

IDK man, his gameplay looked a bit... Funky

you dont become the only airline in town by playing fair

"cheat defender"? free speech: NOT ALLOWED! you have to agree with this guy 100% or get labeled and profiled. see what I mean about speed runners? theyre the only airline in town.

Thats the leaderboard your Wii had downloaded into its savegame back then. Since the servers are offline there is nothing to download.

Or the Vimn site 🤫

Wiimfi exist

@@ZACKMAN2007 Yeah, but they have specific rules put in to not allow cheating or stuff like ultra cuts in specific regions.

I remember getting the ethernet adapter for my fat ps2, and played thps4 (pretty sure it was 4) online. There was this spot on one map with a bunch of curbs, and a quarter pipe at both ends. When the time was up, people would go for extra minutes of time tricking back and forth. Always wondered if they were cheating or not

@@JK-gm6kk nah that's real, people can get billions of points legitimately especially with that line (which i believe is the one on san francisco)

i get it

Walter White when Walter “Blacky” Black pulls up on Funky Kong’s bike:

"I _am_ the one who cheats their way to the top of the leaderboards."

Funkyberg

@@MeesterTweester helo

Haha, nice catch!

Don’t let this distract you from the fact that Razor’s canonical name is Clarence

​@@perrywclifton and he lives at home with both parents 😅

@@FM-ny6cn And Clarence's Parents have a real good marriage.

Razor even cheats in the beginning by sabotaging your car! It was spelled out!

It's not cheating a TAS. It's cheating to present a TAS as a real time run.

He also cheated a TAS to make it seem like that one late start skip was possible when it wasnt and switched the offroas friction values to get TAS WR

@@freedustin watch the video

No one said cheaters were smart

​@@freedustin no no if you watch the video they cheated a TAS to force the time so low its literally impossible to replicate without doing EXACTLY what the cheater did (if you just loaded up a TAS you'd get a time MUCH slower as like OP said TAS is to show what the perfect humanly possible time is)

1:17 in the video doesn't show Dry Dry Ruin's, and the video is blurred and in the background there. Did you make a typo in the timestamp?

​@@amaureaLuaon his tas, not this video

@@amaureaLua ^ I left a reply earlier but not sure if it went through, so I edited my comment to make that clearer

@@EjayB Ah, ok! And I see it now in his TAS. It's easy when looking at the palm tree, and Funky's orientation also changes a bit. Very strange that he would do this in a TAS. Splicing must have been more effort than just loading a savestate while making the TAS, but I guess he wasn't very good at TASing. Or maybe he had a desync he couldn't make work.

@@amaureaLua Black was famous for only TASing on his console instead of on an emulator. Doing so meant that he didn't have access to some tools (including savestates). So, every time Black wanted to redo a turn, he had to play the run's inputs from the beginning and wait until playback reached that turn. As for why he spliced the TAS, we have no idea. One theory is that he recorded a run and was unhappy with lap 3, however lost the ghost file for the run, so he had to remake lap 3 (from the lake cut onwards) using a different ghost. This is just speculation though. It all seems so much more unlikely than it just being a glitch with the game's camera, but we haven't seen the camera suddenly change like that in such a manner before, so that leaves us with accusatory options...

Faking a TAS goes beyond what even Waluigi would consider acceptable. That's like faking your bank statements to get a loan on a house you clearly can't afford and seriously thinking you won't have to worry about the ultra high mortgage and interest.... then getting the landlord or county to evict you and nailing your door shut or destroying the property so they can't get back in. Like how LOST was this guy to cheat a TAS? I don't even want to see the look on his FACE when he submitted it....

@@MarioMastar I don't think he did submit it, I think he just posted a video on its own. If he'd submitted it then other TASers wouldn't have had to notice clues in the video to debunk it.

I don’t understand how anyone could be proud of someone who needs to cheat. I suggest that your community needs to revisit its values, or rather, the lack there of. Disgusting.

@@JoeOvercoatTake down the funky kong statue, I say

Ernsthaft? Das will ich sehen. In welcher Straße ist das und ist es Frankfurt am Main oder Oder?

This was the first thing that came to mind to me, too. Especially the slo-mo thing.

damn, I'd completely forgotten that clusterfuck of a leaderboard. definitely see it now you point it out though

Gotta have verification and actual punishments. Don't just remove the score, remove the score and permanently ban the IP that submitted the cheated time, first offense every time. It won't stop cheating, but it will at least make sure people who do cheat are gone forever as they should be. Giving people who pull shit like this a second chance is childish and pointless, they know they shouldn't and do anyway, they should be gone forever who cares if they pretend to feel bad lol.

as someone who used to watch riolu this hit different, a guy who was probably one of the best players at the time, who could've gotten every record that he cheated without cheating, but did it anyways out of what we can only assume to be frustration of how long it took to grind the game. i just wish he'd released a statement instead of denying it all and leaving the internet for good :(

@@tsggggttvThat's what's up. It's like the whole white/black hat hacker thing. If you admit to doing this stuff BEFORE you start cheating/hacking then it's totally fine, but when these guys call themselves white/black hat hackers AFTER they got caught as if they're doing everyone a service, there's no sympathy. The jail time is justified as usually the thing that gets them caught in the first place is evidence that they profitted in some way off the hacking or cheating at the company's expense and the simple question "So if you knew about this exploit for over 9 months....why didn't you report it if the goal was mere white/black hat hacking?" and that's when they get a "Guilty" verdict. Every time....

Was there no culture of releasing input files there? I come from a TASvideos background, and there the standard is to publish the input files, since those make it impossible to cheat without being caught.

Not at the time. Runs done on dolphin emulator didn't sync on console until dolphin 4.0 which came out much later. In fact runs across different versions of dolphin 3 wouldn't even sync. Everyone was using different versions of dolphin, Walter was making his TASes on a physical wii, it was a mess. There was also a fairly competitive nature to TAS times back then, people didn't want to share the inputs to their run because they didn't want their runs to be beaten easily by others (which is insane to think about). Lastly no one in the MKW TAS community expected a TAS run to be cheated so at the time we thought video of the replay was sufficient. @@amaureaLua

Diablo 1 battle net.

Starcraft brood war ^^

Hearting this hopefully Razor see's this and you get a reply.

@@Abyssoft oh yeah hopefully. And also great video Abyssoft! Looking forward to the next one :)

@@Abyssoftheart disappeared after OP made an edit. may want to re-add it?

@@smolbrendan5978 i only fixed some grammatical errors :(

It seems a lot of games that introduced world wide online has caused the most toxic people to join the fandom. It was like that in pokemon too, where Gen 4 introduced the GTS system and suddenly every kid on the planet acted like anyone who likes the games before Gen 4 were scrubs while they bragged about thier all legendary shiny hacked teams destroying everyone online. That's really about the point where Pokemon stopped being the pokemon that got us into the games in the first place and it took many generations (and Dexit) to finally get rid of these toxic players and bring back the casuals again.

@@MarioMastar There's so much truth to your words. I find the same thing in Splatoon and other competitive games, so I just don't play online. Unfortunately, I see a lot of this in real life too. Especially as I'm going to school after doing world design for a story game for multiple years and making characters based on how humans act.

You don't even need to cheat to ruin a competitive game. Smurf accounts are higher level players, like fucking diamond/platinum level, who make fresh accounts and intentionally throw games to stay in the lower rankings because the higher one's aren't fun anymore since they don't win as much. Literally came across a guy in Overwatch who handed out his username and password to us lower level people and told us we could practice on the account but make sure to throw enough to keep it in bronze/silver, but not to make it TOO obvious we were throwing or the account would be banned. This was in a casual custom lobby btw. Absolutely wild and it didn't infuriate me until I found myself questioning if all the players on my team who weren't pulling their weight were just smurfs. I don't play competitive anything anymore. It just sucks the life out of me.

looool

I mean, in those days he was always hanging with shady types like Shwam and Brian, so not that surprising.

I didn’t bother with online.

So, while there will be a sequel to this video, it won't be my next video as something has come up that needs to be covered, but it will be the video after that

Same

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I would haved loved to chat with you about this period in kart history, but I had no clue on how to contact you. What were your thoughts on manders Moonview Highway run after the script identified 2100 wheelie inputs and he maintained it was legit?

Using tool-assist is fine. The problem is when you pass it off as having done it without using tool-assist. Just don't lie about it. That's when it becomes cheating.

@@AvaiLeon This honestly. Just like people who passed off TAS runs as RTA. There's no issue with making a TAS, like you said, just don't lie about it.

FR, I remember beating BlackyBoi online in the day and being like hell yeah, beating a WR holder…..it was all a lie lol

There's probably a video coming later this year all about MKW that isn't about cheaters

@@Abyssoft Oooo

Given Waluigi practically brags about cheating, he's probably the most honest character. XD That's why him on Mr Scooty was top tier in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe for awhile.

Bikes being able to wheelie was already a thing in Midnight Club II.

The post at 4:32 mentions it though

Note that i'm referring to the ingame challenge leaderboards, not to speedrun sites.

Lapping players on nearly every map online became just too boring lol