The Mechanic that BROKE TF2 

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I still think inventory space is what fucks over new players the most

If Valve ever decided to rework how players get new items, the contracker is the perfect way to slowly introduce weapons and playstyles. Simply expand the pyro contracts in Jungle Inferno to include every weapon.

The one thing I'll give the drop system is that it's not linked to performance. The fact that I could play however I want in any server and not worry about losing out on in-game rewards, as small as they are, is great

They need to increase the rare drop rates for craft hats, name/description tags, and paints. In 10 years of on and off playing, I've found about 8 craft hats, a couple tags, and a couple cans of paint. Meanwhile, another player who's played for 15 years with 6 thousand hours may have never gotten a hat drop once in their life.

I love getting case drops! I love that over 60% of my backpack is filled with crates I will never open!

A huge thing I appreciate with the drop system is that it was recently fixed to drop hats much more frequently. I've found a couple basic ones just by playing normally, and it warms my heart to know that the F2Ps will inevitably acquire something besides a gibus.

Excellent job finding all of that archival footage! That must have been an undertaking to be able to find actual footage of sniper vs spy unlocks.

Your point at the beginning about Valve experimenting is bang on the money. Valve is probably best described as an R&D company that uses video games as a way to test/showcase tech or ideas. They make so much money from Steam, CSGO, and DOTA that they treat everything outside of these projects as a space for free experimentation. From a strictly monetary standpoint, no new Portal, Half-Life, or even Team Fortress is going to generate more then a drop in the bucket, so their only motivation for developing/maintaining such games is the opportunity to experiment with new ideas. All the devs basically abandoned TF2 because it's so old and janky that it became difficult to experiment in.

I keep getting bison from the idle drops to this day and I'm tired of it I don't want bisons anymore am I forever cursed to receive nothing but bisons until the day i inevitably fall victim to bison demise syndrome? I don't know for sure... but I sure as hell hope I don't end up like my buddy Greg.

I swear to Gaben, if this is another "Random Crit Rant™" video I am gonna cry. (Edit: okay its not another "Random Crit Rant™" video, thank you.)

What I suggest is that they could tie the weapon drop system to the levels you get in meet your match matchmaking: every couple of levels you get a drop, and there should be a little icon at the end of the xp bar that would tell you exactly what you would get. Every 20 levels or so it could be a hat. All of that non-tradable, but it would still be better than nothing: it would finally give exp a use, you would only get those drops on official Valve servers and there is no need to idle as you wouldn't be able to sell those items anyway. I don't think this system should replace random item drops, it will simply be more of a neat thing to work towards for new players

to be honest, i had no clue you could get hats from drops until a month or two ago. it had legitimately never happened before even though most of my playtime has been on a premium account. and i didn't know you could get paints until i watched this video, lol.

1,000 hours and I’ve NEVER had a quickie bomb launcher, dead ass didn’t even know it existed when my friend asked me to use it

There's a couple of ways you could fix the drop system honestly: 1) Weighted odds. When determining what item the player should get from a drop, give duplicate items a slightly lower chance of spawning. Perhaps the more you have of a certain item, the less likely it could be to pop up? 2) Guaranteed drops on level up. This would make it so you couldn't simply idle on a community server. You would earn items faster by playing the game. As well as that, you need to look at weapon smelting. The most obvious answer to metal inflation is create a metal sink. Something that costs a lot of metal, which is not achievable without metal. I think it would be cool if stat clocks were craftable with a ton of refined. They weren't tradable but could be attached on to warpaints, so your non stat track war paints could become stat track. Or maybe even a series of craft only warpaints. You could cycle the available paints every few months so that there's always a reason to keep investing metal

NOO NEW PFP

700 hours into the game and I still don't have a widowmaker, I have like 7 rainblowers but no widowmaker, something ain't right

I've had a pretty good track record of getting hats from item drops, and, while I can't remember the last one I got, the best cosmetic drop I got was a Shogun's Shoulder Guard, is nice.

THEY DID ADD THAT LAST BIT ITS CALLED TRADING UP INDIE, GOD UNSUBBED

I think gaben loves me because I've gotten a shitload of hat drops and item drops. Yesterday I got a description tag drop, and like a week ago I got a really cool pyro cosmetic.

to this day I still dont have some weapons still and I cant be bothered to trade them, talking about medic I had crossbow super late. I discovered tf2 a bit before the new drop system and have like more than 1k hours. And honestly I think tf2 would need a way to use metal and make it disappear for some slight boon. Like i'm not a big trading guy but maybe account locked bags, hats, weapons and stuff. To this day I have like 2 or 3 cosmetics, kinda sucks you have no way to customize your character other than weapons without having to pay money. They could even make a bunch of new free cosmetics for this purpose

Stock is usually the best all around choice with a few exceptions like the Crusaders Crossbow… unlocks help with more niche playstyles

7:14 Oh snap, he's wearing the badge!!

I’ve been playing for almost 4 years now. I still don’t have a neon annihilator. I fucking main pyro.

This isn’t something I’ve ever thought much about but it made for a really interesting video, great work :)

You dont even know how much soda-poppers i got since i play tf2, and i dont even play scout Nice new pfp btw

They should bring back old drop items. 1000%

Let me tell you though sometimes I get drop a very nice hat or cosmetic item it makes my whole fucking day.

Pootis

I honestly think valve should readd these "legacy drops" idk, bring back crates that can't be dropped anymore so items don't become impossible to get, spells, strangifiers and chemistry sets are so cool, like it's such a waste to not use them anymore, to avoid players idling for them, maybe make it so only paid accounts could get them on valve servers, limit them a lot, it wouldn't break the economy

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It'd just be really nice if the random drop system took into account which unlocks you do and don't have, in order to prioritise the few items that you're missing. Like, last year I logged back into my account that I hadn't touched till meet your match. I had 2k hours on the account, only to notice that I still did not have every weapon in the game (other than the ones released in jungle inferno). On the other hand, there were a few weapons that I had 5 duplicates of.

Video begins at 5:32.

Yeah. It’s so random when you get sun on a stick 4 times in a row in 2 days.

7:02 i like the effort you put here in the subtitles so that it makes sense

fix ideas 1._ f2p accounts will be unable to receive cases or tools only weapons - or just put the damn cases into weekly missions like csgo 2._ f2p can trade weapons but they cant gift them or anything they can only trade for other uinque weapons this literally kills bots farming weapons because you cant just send your loot to your main account you only can send to a f2p account weapons for another weapons this also removes the shit of the scam and benefits the newbies (if they craft the weapon they become untradable just like normal) i trade my black box for a mad milk done 3._if the system detects you play too much a single class then the drop system will consider that chance to increase give you mostly weapons of that class

As a beginner f2p, the first time I heard that you can get cosmetics and war paints from from item drops I didn't believe it because out of like 78 or something item drops I've ever gotten I got none of them were cosmetics and the fact that I can't just get a homewrecker, sticky jumper, holiday punch without having to wait several weeks due to the limit of items you get per week is pretty annoying. Anyways, good video, goodbye.

One thing I think would change about the drop system is for the weapon drops to HEAVILY prioritize items you don't have. I get wanting to have trading, but it gets old very fast if you have one weapon you don't have and get your 15th enforcer.

The item drop system isn't perfect, but I like it. It's always fun to get a new item.

You’re blaming the wrong guy, unlocks inherently disadvantages new player by default whether it’s tf2 drops or any other games . Valve developer didn’t design the economy of keys and refs as currency, the community did. And pretty sure they knew the currency will inflate non-stop due to item drop existing.

An idea I had was to let players choose what items they wanted to get, like having 3 choices 1. New Weapon Drops 2. New Hat Drops 3. Weapons and Hats already gained

it has been years (of admittedly playing on adn off) of drops where I'm waiting for an alibababooties to complete a stragifier. sure, I could trade for them, but it has been a while singe trade server stopped caring for people doing a scrap for an item. sure I could start the crafting system, but I ain't gonna do a whole minecraft just because I want an item, I'm playing tf2, not factorio!

Anyone want to hear a drinking game that's likely to kill you within 30 minutes, don't play tf2 for 2 weeks and then get on collect 2 weeks worth of random drops then for every case you get drink 2 shots of whiskey

I feel like if valve had to rework the item drop mechanic they could lower the percent a duplicate item (excluding crates) would drop for you and replace em with various misc things that wouldnt inflate the value of the economy that much (dont know how that would work out but its just a idea)

You can make specific items. I believe they were alluding to blueprints.

I dont have a pc so i play a tf2 copyright for mobile and they way things randomly drop there is that you finish a game and the better you do the more drops you get and it can be literally anything and i think its a better method since it encourages players to play the game

i've been playing since 2018 and i still don't have an equaliser

I am still waiting for a dead ringer. Joined in 2014 and have not gotten one yet. I refuse to buy one still

If craft numbers were still a thing, there would be a way to spend refined metal, and not just trade it for keys and vice versa.

Funny how this system also bloated TF2 player charts

I have like 500 hours on tf2, I still don't have the jag and the panic attack:^)

Economy based on a currency not tied to anything that constantly inflates is how our real world economies run too tbf 😂

i have 3k hours in this game and im pretty sure ive never gotten a craft hat from an item drop, i didnt even know you could

Indii is one of those RU-vidrs who are small, but will release absolute gems once in a blue moon

i mean i get case but i cant open thhen because my country banned opening boxes

Time to make up a community service where people welcome new players by gifting them weapons. p.s. Those "rotoscoped" sections with the ragdolls are cursed af. I love them.

Did I hear a Ted Kaczynski parody in there towards the end?

Okay, but how did the drop system "break" tf2?

First!!!! (also fantastic video buddy)

1:26 love this quality scout animation. He look he about to punch someone

I really appreciate this video and the way you talk

at 5:30 i had tf2 open so i got exited that i got a new item

Mechanic, that broke tf2 is killbind

Fact - Valve invented Black scotish.

I like your Valve Employee voice.

I do miss the days of idling all night for items

7:31 this whole segment is fucking amazing

As someone whos been trading for about a decade i think the tf2 economy is fine. Many older items get devalued with time but the steady addition of newer more desirable ones keeps things moving in the right direction.

you guys are getting random drops?

What’s that map at 2:08? I remember it being one of the first maps I ever played in TF2, and I’ve never seen it since 2011

i never had issues with this system cus i just bought all the weapons at the start for 1p each and had everything unlocked

"A currency that infinitely inflates and is based on nothing" ... thats most currencies

Great video, you are a dude or a girl :3?(sorry for the aswer, i dont wanna use wrong pronnums ;3)❤

What weapon is that at 5:38

I LOVE GAMBLING!!!!

Nice ribbon

Ok. So this was an idea I have had for a while now. Your next random drop has its drop time pushed up if you are actively in a match and it gets pushed back if you abandon a match before the game ends. So for every second you spend in a match your next drop happens a half second sooner than scheduled or something. Or something that would probably be a bit harder to explain but makes more sense in my head would be if your scheduled drop time gets pushed forward by x for every minute of play where x = 0.1(current time - scheduled drop time)^1.2 but that's just a shitty formula I thre together without throwing those numbers into a graphing calculator so some BIG tweaking may want to be done to make that formula do what I want it to. The basic idea is that the game will push your drop schedule forward less and less the closer you are to getting it. And then there is my idea for penalizing people who abandon matches. If you leave a game early, your next drop will be pushed back 10 minutes. The punishment will only apply for the first 3 games you abandon each drop so your maximum amount of extra wait time is 30 minutes. And shave the amount of time it takes to do a partner taunt off of the drop timing every time you do a partner taunt with someone on the enemy team. I want tryhards to know that friendlies are infact playing the game correctly.

Holy shit guy nothing against you but why did it take you 3 mins to say "item drop system"?

Ahh yes the golden age of DM_duel of 2009. I remember starting in 2008 and DM_duel was the first community map I ever played on the Towlie server. Awesome times stickying the enemy spawn. 🤣

I got 99 problems but an Uber ain’t one 😎

I have got 3 sandwiches 2 back burners 3 pocket pistols 4 force of nature and 6 mother fucking cloak and dagger and yet i still don't have anything i have wanted since i started playing the game

It was either this, or grindy daily challenges to get cases and weapons. I can’t tell what’s worse.

9:59 I guess in a way crafting does that but like come on, nobody does that

they need to do a case drop system similar to CSGO were there are rarer drops for older cases and more common drops for other cases

2:08 map name? Played it a lot back in the day

The gmod kinect bits slay me

oh wait, 3 hours ago, nice, nice video

I just got the same chest and is the same ones you got

work it down to numbers: -let's say that the ultimate objective is to get every single player of TF2, every possible combination of unlock, tracker, skin, unusual, cosmetic, and festive variant possible, for all weapons.... every player would have a full stack of [everything there is to get] -let's also say that the player count freezes overnight... no ups or downs... the number becomes stuck until this conundrum is solved. -how many random iterations should occur, and how many duplicates would spawn, before point 1 can be true for all players? that, is the number to work out... that, *IS* a number, and is finite. that number, obeys a mathematical formula. *WHAT* is it?! ..... and once you have that formula, consider that the player count will NEVER be frozen, so each new player demands a new iteration of the model. *[that whole construct]* , is the answer to the problem can you even fathom that?

I mean, if you don’t want your refined metal, I’ll take it off your hands. I love crafting hats

when indii puts out another masterpiece

10:00 Crafting

rip pop smoke

Which one?

strange case

nice

Bro forgot weapon reskins...

10:00 - sure it's convoluted but crafting weapons is kinda that "last bit." Also why the hell are there still "idolers" and idol servers if metal has become virtually worthless. Honestly they should just bring back chemistry sets or more crafting recipes or anything that treats weapon drops like materials cause that's what they really are when it comes down to it.

I don't like this video

I think the only solution is to remove item drops entirely