The Misunderstood God of Inazuma, Orobashi no Mikoto [Genshin Impact Lore and Theory] 

I know this is off-topic with the video, but I noted something suspicious about artifact lore. Remember how the Pale Flame artifact set talks about the harbingers? Well I recently found that the description of the Surpassing Cup piece, which describes Scaramouche, doesn't change after you complete the 3.3 archon quest, in which this knowledge should have been erased from all records of Teyvat. Thoughts?

​@@Generalofthest It seems very much like a gameplay motivated decision. Because if they remove that lore, then they'd have to do *something* about HoOD, right? They can't keep some artifact lore and remove that same lore, just from a different set. That just wouldn't make much sense. But then... what DO they do with an ENTIRE SET dedicated to a person who doesn't exist anymore as far as Irminsulis concerned? While I can see how they'd handle Pale Flame's lore, (like having a paragraph about how the 6th seat has always been empty and whatever) but they'd have to remove Husk from the game for it all to not be a bit illogical after the memory wipe, no? And that would just be a very, very dumb move. So, instead of having to deal with that, they just decided to keep all Wanderer's artifact lore. They might explain it later down the line, but right now? Probably don't have an idea of how the artifacts aren't affected.

@pozzsicle I haven't been farming husk, so I'm not aware of its lore, but you do have a point, I might just be looking too far into it.

The most misunderstood creature that came to my mind was Durin.

This can't be your real voice can it?

Yeah, they are on surface, then what, their island cannot do basic farming, people are starving. Orobaxi can't take it longer so decide to commit suicide and by the way receive celestia's punishment so his people can be under Makoto's rule

@@antm9771 dude, I wasnt trying to say those issues didnt exist. Just that there is lore that say Celestia would have pushed him to suicide no matter if the conditions were perfect for them. Its another layer, not a contradiction.

No, Orobashi made a contract of not letting Byakuyakuko being killed in exchange of his life.

@@johnokazaki7967 no. They were living in "peace" down underground for a long time. It was them coming up to the surface that was the issue.

@@Sakuyamon Oh but thats not what I meant. They were outcasted as we know from the celestial atlas, Byakuyakukou was an ancient civilization linked to the primordial rule. They knew of Ishtaroth, the godess of time, the primordial one and its other 3 shades. They knew of the time before sun and moon, and the reign of the drakes and the cycle of life and reincarnation of these same drakes. They had disclossed information about the very begining of Celestia and the time before that because they were part of it. They had this information written in the book before sun and moon, and the problem was that they knew too much. Celestia outcasted them from Teyvat into the sea of monsters, and they ended up stranded in the collision of the realms between Vishaps , Void and Humanity. Once they were brought to the surface by Orobashi, whom created Watatsumi island for them it was that during the transition between both places that Orobashi found and read before Sun and Moon, and knowing that these people was in danger, Orobashi made a pact with Celestia in which he would relinquish its life and Celestia would forgive Byakuyakoku for their sins. We dont know the specifics of the details, but yeah Orobashi sacrificed itself in order to save Byakuyakoku from the celestial wrath.

Orobashi was never presented in any voiced form? They can retell the story if they want to for that. One of the reasons i think they do not is because... its possible he was not killed because of reading the book but because he doubted the contents. And thats a pretty huge blow

majority if not all of inazuma story shouldve been handled better. some of the decisions didnt make sense and if its behind obscure lore as in books or artifacts or 5* characters that is horrendous story telling for game/comic media. The phrase "Show dont tell" comes to mind also the decisions of raiden shogun/ei made no sense and her bastard that is wandabeesh didnt fall too far from the tree. Hence why sumeru's story is such a breath of fresh air so far.

It’s truly tragic how they butchered Inazuma’s Archon Quest. Just imagine how awesome it would have been if it was handled the same way they did Sumeru😔😔😔

​@@Tm-dy2bp Wow overreacting a bit? The only thing Inazuma really is criminal for is the rushed pacing from event to event that made what were supposed to be important plot points trivial as things just kept moving on. Sumeru worked fantastically primarily because things were allowed to breathe and characters were treated with purpose. Surprise surprise that Ei's reasonings for her actions are disagreeable to us when that's the intended point and flaw to her character that's supposed to be challenged. Are they understandable for her circumstances yes, does it justify the ramifications no hence conflict.

Imagine an Inazuma Archon Quest where things were allowed to slow down and build. Teppei's death more naturally build up than just consecutively popping up and back with cough until death. The Resistance playing a planned role with Yae, Kokomi, and Ayato to get the Traveler their last chance at Raiden instead of being offscreened. Maybe have such a plan concocted after Signora's defeat and the Traveler leaves afraid to get close to Tenshukaku after seeing Raiden's power. Instead it was quick escalation of events until the end.

Back during the 2.1 beta test, it was called Grasscutter's Light

That's actually really interesting and lore-wise it makes a lot of sense even though in Japanese mythology it was a sword.

​@@thienphucn1 exactly

Kusanagi no inabikari = grass cutting ligthning

Funny how it's related to grass because it was believed that places where lighting struck where good for harvesting

Don't speak on Furuyama, he was one of the best parts about that quest.

Ei's second story quest is the perfect story quest for her. It revolved around Inazuma, how important she was to the people and what the Electro Archon meant to the people during a time of crisis. Your "Tea NPC" also showed how Ei and Makoto behaved and how they treasured everyone in Inazuma. The quest showed that Ei is taking actions in order to undo the wrongs she committed because she knew she had a duty to every single dead Inazuman who died for her country, doesn't matter which NPC it was. Ei cares about everyone in the country and her 2nd quest showed that.

lmao no. Ei's quests being about her dead friends is just beating on a dead horse, while yes, they should be brought up in regards to her initial pursuit in eternity, they don't have the importance to have such focus after that.

​@@itsmewhoknows What if she got a 3rd story quest? One where a young Ronin (15-16) is seeking revenge after his father went crazy due to losing his vision and ended up killing his mom and himself. And the story quest is about her and the Traveler getting an anonymous tipoff, (The Ronin) which Kujou Sara shared with them. It said that someone would be hunting the Traveler. Little did they know, that they were hunting Raiden rather than the Traveler. Most of the story would be Raiden spending the day with Traveler and intimidating anyone she found suspicious or too close to the Traveler. Around the middle the Ronin would reveal himslef during a one man ambush and immediately go for Raiden who blocked his attack. After being asked he would state who he is and his intentions. (Killing Raiden after what happened) After hearing of this, Raiden would tell the Traveler to stay out of it as it was her fault and her fight. Near the beginning of the fight she convinced him not to fight her which worked. Or so she thought. He pulls a surprise attack in, Slashing her right cheek and stomach which pisses her off. She'd fight more fiercely until he gets tired and loses his sword while blocking and she stabs him. The story quest would have a sadder ending with the boy laughing as blood drips from his mouth taunting her sisters and her friends and their deaths. Raiden gets fed up, and says something along the lines of "I, have shown you ENOUGH mercy." And then she finishes him off. The Traveler can either comfort her or disagree stating that she should have spared him as he was young, foolish, and angry and ultimately didn't want to harm anyone other than her. She would either thank the Traveler for their comfort, or get Angry for a moment but ultimately relent realizing they were right.

Hell no, that tea old man alongside all the memories of the samurais being reawakened are what gave Ei a chance to see how people looked at the former Electro Archon, Makoto with love and care. She realized that she neglected these people and their wishes of ages long past, and how she was still doing the same

Exactly my thought

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I doubt he did 🤔

I feel the snake around Baizu neck is orobashi, kinda same what happened to guba, look like he sacrificed his original body to avoid getting killed and turned to that tiny snake, if I am not mistaken when first time we met Baizu that snake was talking

Of ligma?

Kapatcir...

I always interpreted it as Orobaxi fled to stay alive, and the Sumeru gods all seemingly had a truce to not fight/kill each other for the gnosis so there was no need for fight vs flight afaik?

because behind deshret is apep

@@flower5175 No, Deshret still got his authority from Celestia. Apep didn’t give him power, only permission to build a civilization in the desert.

@@adiaphoros6842 Didn't Celestia offer him the Dendro gnosis, with him replying roughly, in modern broken English parlance: "lol nah fam I ain't need that shit, we good."?

@@Preaplanes Yes, but Celestia left Sumeru alone even after he unleashed the forbidden knowledge onto the world. Only really appearing before Rukkhadevata to give her the Dendro Gbosis.

I don't his her reincarnation but Kokomi being reincarnation of water sovereign of water probably beside maybe watatasumi can revive orobashi since his remain still their tbh

Or a descendant of him. But I really doubt Mr. Snek had any children :(

its stated that the divine priestess has the will of orobashi in her, and is meant to fulfill his role of protecting the island due to that will being given to them. Kokomi is most likely somewhat related to orobashi if not by blood then at the very least by purpose. she doesnt have different eyes, coral coloured hair, and an affinity for water for no reason that much is clear.

​@@lolmemes8447wait, what about baizhus pet?

That whale is also part of his army...

If we assume that this coloring is meant to show that both are a form of corruption, we can tie them also to the depiction of the "forbidden knowledge" spreading through the sumeru desert, as well as the mist (representing the encroachment of the void realm), shrouding the towers around Enkanomiya, which were also purple so perhaps you might be on to something. So far I think it would be safe to conclude that, most of the time dark purple is related to the void and the gold light is related with the elemental (light) realm.

Right !?

I mean,what is the point of the barrier? If shogunate had a intention of attacking watatsumi that barrier wouldn't do much.

i mean moussin hitotachi or whatever the sword ei uses kinda slashes the island in half and naturally divides narukami territory from watatsumi territory. So yes maybe he did it intentionally and if he didnt then id say Ei did.

​@@Archerrrrr-jz7iqyou have no idea how powerful the nauseating hatred of a god becomes, much like in liyue, the chasm, etc.

@@arbalest327 what i meant was that if shogun wanted to invade watatsumi They could just sail around the island and reach watatsumi that way And at that point orobashis thing wouldn't do anything

and Deshret too. Deshret was vilified by the Akademiya even tho Greater Lord RKDVT reconciled with him before he died. he might've been an idiot but in the end, he died a hero's death. only to be vilified by those Sages.

The Tianquans of Liyue all hold different positions within the the city. They also act as checks and balances for each other as things come to a vote when it comes to the nation as a whole. As it stands contracts are what hold everyone together in Liyue it's legally binding on both parties behalf that's why it works so well. If someone doesn't uphold the contract it's easy to pull it out and prove it and send them off to jail or have them pay some form of compensation.

In Monstadt Freedom is a good and bad thing you are aloud to do as you please so it was pretty easy for the Lawrence clan to just take over the nation over time (at least I believe that's how it happened) with the information and influence that they had as one of the biggest clans. Who was going to stop them really?

Definitely absurd, but it reminds me of something else that is absurd - The thought process that people have when affected by forbidden knowledge. Perhaps Orobashi was 'contaminated' by forbidden knowledge (before sun and moon) and in the throes of his madness believed that through dying he would make the land better for his people... When it was actually the opposite.

In the german translation its called grass cut beam. I just looked at the other languages names for this polearm and most of them call it either grass cutter or grass cutting light

Decarabia at the beginning he only wanted to protect his people but like the Greek myths of creation, he in his desperation to protect him became a tyrant taking away his freedom and imprisoning them, but unlike Ei, this was for fear of losing his status, his people , for his own ego. In the case of Ei it is similar but it was because she had suffered all the losses and was left alone, no matter how surrounded she was and seeing all the suffering that happened to her nation and all that was lost in the war against Khaenri. 'ah she wanted to prevent this from suffering again, but of course Makoto her sister had possibly seen this and she knew that one day her sister Ei would understand what she was looking for in eternity. Ei changed but not his ideals, he still continues to protect what inazuma promised his people eternity, he did it for his people without seeking reward, power, adoration or anything that benefits him, just to protect his people.

​​@@Rozherhn Decarabian was disconnected with the people, but that doesn't make him a tyrant. Decarabian created a barrier to protect his people from the Andrius he was at war with, while Ei shut down Inazuma to protect his people from what?? There is a difference between protecting yourself from a real threat and a hypothetical threat. The fact that Ei suffered is not a justification for the sakoku decree she implemented, which was apparently not that long ago implemented, such a decree that basically, almost everyone in Inazuma is against, including people from the Tenryou Commission. this alone shows that Ei is just as disconnected with the people as Decarabian, but unlike Decarabian, Ei neglected the people, putting a puppet to lead the nation. Ironically, her "Eternity" did more damage to Inazuma than the Fatuis themselves. All things considered, it can be argued that Ei and Decarabian aren't very different, just with different justifications, plus it's obvious that if things had continued as they were, Ei would have ended up the same as Decarabian.

I agree with Absalom. Decarabian shut people inside to protect them from being frozen to death at that moment, and the snowstorm outside can actually kill every single mondstadtian at that moment. Ei closed off inazuma because she afraid of the changing of the future, a future threat. So yea, it's kinda different. Besides, Ei's suffer doesn't mean she could control people (by taking away their visions) in order to "not suffer" like her, it sounds kinda unhealthy to me

​@@dizzynecro9944 The Shogun or Ei does not control with an iron hand as many believe, he only sought the visions but never did any harm to them, if anyone had their own emotional problems beyond their vision but it was not that they took away the vision itself but that I already had that problem from the beginning. the rest of the people were well protected with some supply problems but nothing great. but with all that, people continued and continue to believe in his archon that he did everything in their favor, which is true. the civil war is more complex, deep down it was not because of the vision users or what it said on the surface, it was something else transmitted from generation to generation, the death of their god orobaxi, still despite the hundreds For years, they have been looking for a shield to fight, not all of them, but they continue with that grudge, that's why they used that shield from the vision capture to go to war, this is something that one can see when talking to the Watatsumi NPCs.

Just so you know, it was out of fear of the heavenly principles not because she was suffering

I imagine his human form is reminiscent of Hakuoro from Utawarerumono

@@davidxencaster6406 please explain why you think this cause this is what I pictured too, but I've no idea why.

You can see his human form in one of the statues in Enkanomiya, he's depicted holding a lamp, having a snake body and holding coral.

Baizh- jkjk

In Mondstadt Dvalin vs. Durin and Barbatos, are all that directly connect it with the Archon War or any of its contemporary causes affects. The Fatui were known as part of a plot when Eula helped protect Yanfei. And the Dandelion Sea potential in that it points to more than a fox or fox spirit/group of kitsune is the likely reality behind the story [like Nahida's Fox and the Kitten tail which kept Scaramouches' memory safe] are all that directly connect "The City of Freedom" to the cataclsym. Whether Venti is a gate keeper or merely covering up the direct link to Kheanriah/the Abyss somehow connected to the Barbatos Statue in Mondstadt plaza (and the movement of Mondstadt from stormterrors lair to where it is now) leave most potential connections to the past Teyvet in mystery.. In Liyue the Guyun Stone Forest, Guili plains, the Chasm and in a way the side link to Sumeru via the chasm do link it with the Cataclysm somehow but other than the Millilith and the adepti the real issue of what the Archon war was is covered up. In Inazuma there was a surface attack, and aside from Orobashi and Enkanomiya with its potential link to Khaenriah and some underground passages the only major side group like those who became the Sankonomiya civilisation who tried to hide or escape was the God of Salt and whoever died with her in Liyue. Makoto left Ei to go to Khaenriah, and she and Kitsune Saiguu protected the surface. The only other link to the Cataclysm in Inazuma is the Kitsune (maybe originally from Mondstadt) and the Youkai (In a recent Festival Quest). Tsurumi Island seems to have been a side story similar to Orobashi's, where calamity occurred and a favored one was killed whereas those who climbed to the surface were lost to the dark sea and were only reclaimed years after. Sumeru showed part of what the cataclysm left, the Akedymia trying for control after the loss of their favored Archon.. The people oppressed using what had been to help them. And finding the greater lord/restoring the Irminsul tree only lead back to not far where we were at Mondstadt in terms of what happened. The red sky, the boxes, the destruction, and the curious burning Irminsul we don't see till Sumeru. The dream quests (Freeing Nahida/shutting down the Akasha and balancing out dreams) only filled in what the Irminsul did. The Wanderer quest only revealed a bit of our sibling and what Scaramouches' past was, reintroducing the Fatui. The desert quests revealed some of the forbidden knowledge lore, and in a side ways manner connects the fall of King Deshret to the Cataclysm and Khaenriah- as an underground civilisation it could have hidden links to wherever Khaenriah was. Fontaine, at a guess of sorts, could in part explain what the tech in part of the ruin guards were or were based on, if "reverse engineered" rather than having a direct link to what they were. And revealing, as 'Justice' suggests, the wheres/whys/whos of what happened (unknown as yet..) 500 years ago. Somehow restoring peace, balance and Justice as the traveler has been doing since Mondstadt.

They really could stand to learn a thing or two from electro seelies.

Meanwhile Nicki Minaj did

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No, he is a god like Raiden, just dead

Dude You do realize morax was doing the exact same thing too, right……? If you read the Archaic Petra You would know that at one point Zhongli was An extremely ruthless and an merciless God he and killed everyone that he concluded to be a threat because of his bloodlust and vengeance for his dead friend, All of gods did the exact same thing…

Problem with that is that not only are you poisoning the very land your people wanted to settle, you also create even more resentment for the people of Watatsumi from those of Inazuma. Why would Makoto/Ei want to help the people who not only broke their treaty, but then killed who knows how many people in the conflict? I’m genuinely curious to know what Makoto was thinking after the conflict since she seemed content to just leave Watatsumi in one piece.

No it was after

It's complicated, king deshret was the strongest god between ruka and GoF, so by that logic he would be the archon. However, he shared his seat with ruka and GoF. He and GoF, later rediscovered forbidden knowledge and GoF dies. Deshret then goes mad and ruka stops the forbidden knowledge, deshret dies/sacrifices himself in the process. I believe this happened during the archon war and that GoF death was intended. I think celestia wanted to kill her from the start but just need a good reason to do it.

No after, so im supecting the "golden god" to be either him or Zhongli ... but zhongli never had such title but Al-Ahmar do so IN MY OPINION, its Deshret.

Al Ahmar and the GoF died after RKDVT ascended. Deshret was actually offered the seat but declined it. so yeah, these three already won the War in Sumeru.

Can I ask for your help in my comments?

Imo it's not as simple as one side being evil and the other good, that takes out a lot of nuance there. The story of Watatsumi people is one of those who lost their land but want to survive. They didn't want to go on Yashiori Island out of greed, but because their soil was infertile and food supplies limited. The war really broke out when Orobashi was killed, and Watatsumi people resented Narukami for it. They didn't understand that Orobashi was already fated to die by Celestia's hand, through Ei. Watatsumi people were wrong for breaking the agreement with the Narukami, but they're survivors, not evil. Inazuma's story is a complete mess, yes. I agree Watatsumi shouldn't have been the main hero faction - there were enough people suffering on the east islands due to corruption of the shogunate. Both the shogunate and Watatsumi getting played by the Fatui kinda just cheapened both of their legitimacy and motivations. Even the good characters in Inazuma (e.g. Ayaka) belong to less than pure organisations (Yashiro Commission's Shuumatsuban). I don't think the writers were capable of writing a nuanced story where there is no clear villains or heroes, and instead many were a victim of circumstance.

@@nightmarelily I can definitely agree that the Inazuma arcs definitely has its problems