The Most Broken Move in Melee

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With just a few seconds left on the clock, Super Smash Con 2023 came down to a gamble from ‪@hungrybox‬ to bet on a bracket reset. But, remarkably, this all-or-nothing rest missed. By a single frame.
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@hungrybox 5 месяцев назад

walt it was a good video but did you have to show me missing the rest 112 times

@NotViridium 5 месяцев назад

yes

@KANYEREST135 5 месяцев назад

he had to dood 😢

@jorgebarreraahumada8482 5 месяцев назад

Yes

@turndownforwalt 5 месяцев назад

Sorry I had to make sure it was seen

@cestandmuni3849 5 месяцев назад

LOL love you hbox

@ElectricWindGirlFriend 5 месяцев назад

thank god bowser's down smash is getting its own video. that guy has had it too good for too long.

@stellaanderson570 5 месяцев назад

Hello PowerPoint man :D

@ElectricWindGirlFriend 5 месяцев назад

oh also this is a banger. extremely common TDFW W

@SorenRoberts 5 месяцев назад

PowerPoint man

@NETIERRAS 5 месяцев назад

ppp man is a good man

@plabcentral630 5 месяцев назад

Lol just came from your vid and I said some sus shit my b

@Eichro 5 месяцев назад

i like how he's not even pretending the sponsored game is good, the selling point is "i get paid so pls help a bro out"

@imjustalittleqwerty День назад

I’m honestly surprised they even approved the way he advertised their game lmao

@Sappysappster 5 месяцев назад

10:39 semi related but I really like Hungrybox's fistbump here like his face doesn't say "UGH I lost." or "GODDAMNIT FUCK" it says "Welp lmao ggwp" if you get what I mean

@carterfrey3134 5 месяцев назад

It’s the “I love this game but this game f’n blows”

@Sappysappster 5 месяцев назад

@@carterfrey3134 exactly bruh I love it cuz I've had that same feeling

@jongyon7192p 5 месяцев назад

i once met hbox at a grocery store. He gave me a fistbump and a thank you for being a fan of melee. At the front, he forgot to pay, and when they called him out, he wasn't like "UGH I lost" or "GODDAMMIT FUCK". He just apologized and accepted his mistake

@Pal42_ 5 месяцев назад

@@jongyon7192p the good ending

@ryanhoang1123 5 месяцев назад

@@jongyon7192p is this a twist on the old i know a hbox story from pre crab era?

@carbonation10317 9 дней назад

I enjoyed the “this game sucks but I need the money” vibe to the sponsor. I wish all creators did it this way

@XnkxoKos 14 часов назад

I don't know if sponser particularly would want to pay someone to shit on their product

@Ihadtochangemyusername 5 месяцев назад

9:15 is cool seeing hboxs inputs. It’s kinda cool that he’s basically dash dancing in the air? With puffs drift he swings in and out like any grounded DD

@IGP 5 месяцев назад

THE EDITING

@Cxlvin. 5 месяцев назад

woah, i didnt know you watched melee.

@Valentinesdayghost 5 месяцев назад

IGP?! literally everyone who sees this comment

@cdntl 5 месяцев назад

looks like meleestats editing

@SorenRoberts 5 месяцев назад

For real

@jongyon7192p 5 месяцев назад

what's the weird distorting shockwave looking thing? People keep using it

@Gabriel-sd1oh 5 месяцев назад

if I lost a game 5 last stock timeout situation to being a single frame early with my move I would physically Die

@kylespevak6781 5 месяцев назад

He was losing far before that

@acycle2124 5 месяцев назад

@@kylespevak6781not really, but he would have won if the frame didnt skip, so he lost because of that

@jaytea6516 5 месяцев назад

I can't stop laughing at HB screaming samples

@Ihadtochangemyusername 5 месяцев назад

7:36 blows my mind - I thought I kinda understood about like DI mixups and guaranteed follow ups… I didn’t! I totally didnt comprehend what people meant when they say 50/50 or RPS for this that it’s literally “here are the options I can do as marth against this character at this percent -> here are the di options puff has for specific counterplay -> evidence based (option tree) reaction tech chase”

@Ihadtochangemyusername 5 месяцев назад

I’d never seen the analog stick-DI calculator like that graphic before

@ragxhausted 5 месяцев назад

You're telling me that we were THIS close to the single most powerful, cataclysmic pop-off the world had ever seen?? Also, another fantastic video Walt!

@JBLZFTW 5 месяцев назад

Eh would have just been a bracket reset, only a mild hbox popoff

@tomasjaramillogaviria1821 5 месяцев назад

I'm telling my kids this was the cuban missile crisis

@danielbalderramos3890 5 месяцев назад

Underrated comment

@krusher181 5 месяцев назад

No I think he would have reset the bracket He had to win 2 sets, Walt left that out….

@wildrussiansnake8978 6 дней назад

Underrated comment 💀@@tomasjaramillogaviria1821

@chillyxerochill4815 5 месяцев назад

I coughed out cookie crumbs each time hbox popped off and now the driver’s seat is completely covered. Lovely video!

@noobiesensei6281 5 месяцев назад

Please tell me you were parked.

@OkieDokieSmokie 5 месяцев назад

@@noobiesensei6281probably has youtube premium. you can queue up videos and play them with your screen off, basically just podcasts with extra steps.

@protocetid 8 дней назад

@@noobiesensei6281they can’t, they’re currently sitting in jail

@SassInYourClass 5 месяцев назад

obligatory “if you’re not frame perfect, 99 times out of 100, you’re not good enough”

@Orciwan548 5 месяцев назад

I’ve never played or really watched melee but it’s crazy how this game works. How precise the players are too like I can’t tell what’s going on for a lot of it just someone gets hit but there’s so much more videos like this are great.

@Bird-wz7nx 5 дней назад

This feels like when they first teach Gohan how to even see the the non-Earthlings battle the Z-Fighters

@bulb9970 4 месяца назад

TLDW: He was slightly not touching the hitbox

@lamMeTV 5 месяцев назад

Every great game needs some randomness. Melee's jank is a feature

@mr.bubbles4439 5 месяцев назад

Chess

@ghoulbuster1 11 дней назад

Gambling is a feature 😂

@lordtraxroy 6 дней назад

@@mr.bubbles4439 en passant

@vyor8837 3 дня назад

@@lordtraxroy isn't random

@lordtraxroy 3 дня назад

@@vyor8837 but it is a glitch in chess

@codyross7628 5 месяцев назад

Oh no, the mobile games got to walt

@ByrneBaby 5 месяцев назад

Oh my god, what a banger of a video. Ty for going so hard on your content, Walt, it never goes unnoticed 🔥🔥🔥

@equinox3861 5 месяцев назад

You forgot Z drop is frame 1.

@SorenRoberts 5 месяцев назад

God I love high quality analysis of popular competitive video games

@bagofsteel9152 5 месяцев назад

Hbox got robbed. He had the better play with very intentional inputs and it's such a disappointment to hear the commentators not recognize that. Zain didn't calculate that, but was extraordinarily lucky. At least losses like those don't feel that bad. Still a great match and if it had to end that way then it really ended pretty evenly.

@cabininthewoods1 5 месяцев назад

Loved hearing the Lethal League Blaze soundtrack in a few spots here, this video was so good 😌

@blankedout1862 5 месяцев назад

0:57 love the soundsmith reference

@DoctorSwellman 5 месяцев назад

This is some really good editing walt. Reminds me of Melee Moments' style, which is a really really good thing. Loved the video

@projectalpha22_va 3 дня назад

That ad was the realist shit ever done and done get that bread.

@knowthestatuskuo1 5 месяцев назад

Uptilt breakdown is the exact type of melee content that gets me hyped up

@morri2087 5 месяцев назад

thank you so much for making such high quality melee content. genuinely i enjoy each and every one of your videos

@TylerClibbon 5 месяцев назад

amazing, please more of this

@raddrew42 Месяц назад

the multiple cutaways to the pop off into irl rest made me chuckle

@silvesta5027 5 месяцев назад

This video is really well edited but it could’ve easily been half the length

@eisenhead 5 месяцев назад

what did you use to make the shaders in some of the melee fottage look so good? is it some mod or post processing effect? loved the vid btw

@sickteej 5 месяцев назад

The first 1.07 of the video is edited so fucking well. I had to pause and comment this before I continued watching. Great work

@prolazoi774 5 месяцев назад

you're killing it with the videos walter

@rannynihilius8481 5 месяцев назад

Most painful ending to a set last year.

@BijouBellaRixp1 5 месяцев назад

Blue waffles Also wow I didn't know all that I appreciate the box's up tilt a lot more

@saxeladude 5 месяцев назад

As an anti stalling rule would it be a bad Idea to have games that go to time determine winner by stage advantage before dmg percents where the player on or above stage wins (not including ledge), damage is only considered if both players have the same stage positioning (so edge guarding is determined by percent not distance to the stage). Idk myself I see reasons why it could do well or poorly including players in tumble saved by the bell still lose. but it also encourages defensive play and discourages edge guards. Though the caveat of only when both players are have unequal stage advantage means that if both players are on stage in the last minute the strategy is to force the opponent off stage. Also characters that have struggling recoveries are buffed no longer needing to go deep against aerial characters at lower percents. These factors could make it better or worse what's your thoughts?

@_ben_miller 5 месяцев назад

Shine, peach dsmash, Falco dair are also pretty broken

@MrMinewarp 5 месяцев назад

Damn 1 frame is insane!

@johnwesolowski1134 5 месяцев назад

such a great breakdown of what happened

@randomguy8107 12 дней назад

I just thought about something : Ultimate Rest is f2-4 active, which means Hbox’s Ultimate detox might help him on that front

@vancantorus 14 дней назад

That popoff scream is like chinese water torture i kept on expecting it but i never knew when it would come

@9onRichter Месяц назад

Shoutout to the lethal league blaze music playing in the background

@Kompyyy 3 дня назад

The amount of shade in this video is crazy.

@svdtrumpet 7 дней назад

Wait a sec. Who did the Herb Alpert cover with Mario soundfonts at 2:13? You can't just slip that in there and not expect someone to wonder!

@user-bkey 5 месяцев назад

this vid makes me want to watch melee again

@SleepyBrady 5 месяцев назад

man as an Hbox fan I would have loved to see him win but Zain is just so goddamn good and lucky too. This was a hype set and Zain is an awesome player. Amazing

@gamehero4211 5 месяцев назад

At 7:53 you said you pulled up Zains inputs? How do you gain access to this? I feel it would be very beneficial for someone wanting to learn more to know how to get these input recordings

@LealFireball 5 месяцев назад

Tournament setups for these big events are often connected to a pc running slippi which can collect the input data and make a match replay out of it, which you can search in their database and see the replay and inputs on your pc via slippi. Though to be honest I'm not sure if these replays in in-person tournaments go directly into the slippi database or if they have to be released.

@simanolastname2399 5 месяцев назад

@@LealFireball Local games have to be released AFAIK. Ranked games are in a database though since Fizzi has released files before for the Lunar Melee channel.

@KeyboardKlutz_0 5 месяцев назад

So uh... was that opening a reference to SoundSmith or...?

@Moss_Dude 5 месяцев назад

How?

@DoofXMachina 5 месяцев назад

Nah. Soundsmith references this guy

@robastergaming6074 8 дней назад

you don't like the sponsor, do you

@pubjubz 3 дня назад

Of course he doesn’t. It’s hot trash

@BoBoN4Uto 2 дня назад

Yeah, he puts it after a cliffhanger. Of course, everyone will skip it😂

@Moises46441 5 месяцев назад

How exactly can you pull off all that controller data and the different angles of replays?

@nextkestrel 5 месяцев назад

Great video!

@mounne13 4 дня назад

This is the diago parry of smash

@bkebradley 5 месяцев назад

Was that a program used to show when moves KO or was that a custom graphic?

@smokedem 5 месяцев назад

Great content and style as always… but I really hope the optical flow interpolation was just an experiment and not the planned interpolation method going forwards ☺️

@samsr2887 5 месяцев назад

glad im not the only one who really did not like that

@nodisco8042 5 месяцев назад

The what?

@JuniperLx 5 месяцев назад

⁠@@nodisco8042I think he’s talking about a certain type of frame interpolation. Iirc, frame interpolation is when a computer finds the image that is the “best fit” between two frames of a video. This can be done to make a video feel more smooth by kinda upping the frame-rate, but can result in distortion and the timing of animations feeling off. You can see them used most in this video during the slow-motion bits to make them less choppy but it also ends up with some pretty nasty distortion

@sway3365 5 месяцев назад

Best vid in a while! Loved it

@noahblack914 2 дня назад

11:54 I know next to nothing about Melee, but sounds to me like the game works perfectly fine. He took a 1 frame gamble, and he lost.

@HeckYep 6 дней назад

Not the Joel Haver HBox 😂

@Nikkerman 5 месяцев назад

Interesting, I always though this one was because of the fair hurtbox shifting, guess I was wrong

@JovialSkunk 5 месяцев назад

Weird bug. Their boxes were on top of each other.

@ramaicatseye 5 месяцев назад

6:07 why is the video corrupted here?

@iagimru 5 месяцев назад

I may be wrong, but I believe it is due to a process called Interpolation. Basically, interpolation is when an ai is used to generate more frames on a video. Smash bros runs at 60 frames per second, so if the regular footage was slowed down, it would look choppy like a slideshow. However, with interpolation an ai was able to generate more frames for when the video is slowed. Unfortunately, interpolation's biggest problem is that the new images it generates are extremely fucked up looking, because it is done with ai. This is why if you pause the video during interpolated segments, things are clipping or blurry or just look bad. An ai attempted to create new frames, but it obviously does not understand how to make them look perfect. turndownforwalt has two options for slowed down segments due to smash melee running at 60 fps. Either it looks like a powerpoint slideshow, or it looks corrupted but smoother fps via interpolation. Neither option is perfect, but most audience members would prefer a smoother video, even if it looks corrupted. Thus, interpolation was chosen

@ramaicatseye 5 месяцев назад

@@iagimru Hey, thank you. Long explanations are appreciated by me.

@iagimru 5 месяцев назад

np @@ramaicatseye

@tree2992 5 месяцев назад

I'd recognize Phraser's editing style anywhere!

@goora1866 5 месяцев назад

The Lethal League Blaze music

@feelsokayman5656 5 месяцев назад

Long live the Melee

@user-nb5hl3qd2m 4 месяца назад

This would’ve been the best match the rest wouldve been awesome but he was lucky because hitboxes saved him. Awesome analysis dude.

@tysonjame9637 4 месяца назад

I’m still very new to all of melee how did Walt get the control schemes when he was talking about Hgod stick jumping and Zains possible ASDI down?

@Jinju___ 3 месяца назад

Because turndownforwalt is simply an alter-ego for masahiro sakurai

@theSato 5 месяцев назад

at 2:48, why is the Super Smash Con 2023 match blacked out? Looked it up myself and dont see anything bad there?

@DerkDurski 5 месяцев назад

It's the set this video is about

@Gabriel64468 5 месяцев назад

Just because its what the Video is about, I assume.

@noahkelly8907 5 месяцев назад

Great content 🎉

@TheOmniBlade 5 месяцев назад

Now this is the content I love getting clickbaited on

@chichachang303 5 месяцев назад

Hey man, it was a gamble on a difficult one frame link, when he was a whole stock behind, that part doesn’t seem broken to me

@inediblemangoes7797 5 месяцев назад

Damn didn’t know it was a frame

@jaltgelt1644 5 месяцев назад

I’m just glad I was the first to mention that this was close enough for “Turndownforwalt”.

@ghoulbuster1 11 дней назад

Things like this is why melee is a party game.

@TheGrandOptimst1 9 дней назад

Dude how do you make all these sick ass graphics for the videos?

@bby7630 5 месяцев назад

I was in the crowd when that happened

@TheXeeman 5 месяцев назад

ive never played melee and have no idea whats going on but it is interesting nonetheless

@J0J0Jetz 4 месяца назад

Oh nice! just discovered your channel and watching this video bc your content is goated and I randomly see my vid shouted out WHATTTT. lol. great vid and you have a new sub!

@p0tt0man 3 дня назад

Lmao how tf you get those angles MAN

@deemz312 5 месяцев назад

I have zero idea what you were saying or what it means. But what an enjoyable fight that was

@sleepynuigurumiamalgamation 5 месяцев назад

odd video title but good vid

@killercore007 5 месяцев назад

Imagine if GW up b was frame 1 in Smash Ult

@emanwonkon2205 3 месяца назад

I literally know nothing about melee. I literally learned nothing except that if he jumped a frame earlier he wouldve won (somehow)

@dirtsquids9854 5 месяцев назад

My question. If jmook was the puff and Zain was charging neutral b to punish the missed rest, could he have amsah teched it and lived ? Great video !

@mewdancing 5 месяцев назад

He got sent upwards diagonally, so no

@tiaraguy7705 5 месяцев назад

You know, Hbox kinda has Mango vibes at this point. Fan base and content might be a little different but you can never count him out fully. He might just go on a run and make you remember that this guy is called clutchbox for a reason, he might buster out sometimes but when he's on a run it's pretty insane to watch because he goes for some insane gambles.

@khu7379 5 месяцев назад

the mango glazing is crazy with this community lol

@tiaraguy7705 5 месяцев назад

@@khu7379 it's genuinely not that deep, I like both players but I barely even watch much melee now. But both have done a lot for the scene.

@ivymuncher 5 месяцев назад

@@khu7379 i mean if youre a top player in the scene for like that long you deserve it at this point lmaoaoaoao

@SRM13 5 месяцев назад

@@khu7379why are you so obsessed with a game you don’t like Lmfao

@psymar 5 месяцев назад

Plus he just discovered his custom Phob controller wasn't actually broken after all so look out

@applesaltlive 5 месяцев назад

how do you get dolphin replays for tournament sets?

@applesaltlive 5 месяцев назад

or do you just recreate them?

@MrPokemon7777 9 дней назад

bro took 90% of the video to get to the point

@wilsontas2177 5 месяцев назад

AMAZING video!! And nice Jigglypuff TAS 👀

@definitelydoctorproctor 18 дней назад

If I could edit this well I wouldn’t even care that I hate editing

@Figgy20000 5 месяцев назад

Thanks for making a video about Foxes Usmash its about time

@matthewb9981 8 дней назад

The editing in this video is next fucking level

@thomasa4749 5 месяцев назад

Common Walt A+++ video

@MonkeGeek 5 месяцев назад

Game and Watch will a frame 4 option. Game and Watch is top 3 in the game. BanG&W

@kachowabunga17 5 месяцев назад

I LOVE TURN DOWN FOR WALT AND TURN DOWN FOR ULT EVERYONE SHOULD SUBSCRIBE TO BOTH OF THESE CHANNELS!!!

@jahridin 5 месяцев назад

I guess you're confusing ASDI down and crouch cancel. If it knocks down, then you cannot ASDI down (besides to amsah tech/ floor hug). Funny video nonetheless !

@haleyjadelovethatname 5 месяцев назад

did Ness just call me a mf 😂

@fishchips5121 5 месяцев назад

appreciate the lethal league music

@GGoofymonkey 14 дней назад

I watched this entire video and I don’t even own a gamecube

@NyrinTriball 5 месяцев назад

"It's bullshit, but it's OUR bullshit" I have a lot more respect for people that get this with whatever game they're playing. Sometimes, things are bullshit, and that's what makes it fun, as said in the end.