Can you see the difference between between the most hated male idols and most hated female idols? Male idols did something wrong or controversial according to the knetizens but female idols just didn't smile or dressed with short clothes to be hated.
and then there are people saying, there aren't any double standards in the entertainment industry when you can see how men vs women get shit on for either a good reason or just bs🤡
WTF he was proven innocent? How come so many people dont know he was innocent even till this day many think he is guilty. I think more people should know he is innocent
I feel you;;; I hope the situation can be cleared fast eventho every accusation has been debunked, if there's no official statement by the agency, many people will still think that he's guilty;;; and yes let's hope/pray that he's okay;; I miss him;;
One thing about Lucas is that, there is definitely no sexual allegations in the original Op post. The sexual allegations were only sparked by antis after he made the apology statement (which logically had benefitted the antis since Lucas apologised first). The debunked things were not only because they are his fans, but if all of you read carefully the thread, there is literally no victim at all. 1. The Op who posted the allegations on twitter showed so much connections with WayV sasaengs (use the same hashtag, use the same pinned location, involves in trading and selling idols private photos etc) 2. the data from Ops old posts showed that Ops are manga lovers, and read gay manga which one of the characters have the exact same facial/body features with Lucas. 3. The fans also hired private investigator and found out that the outfit/jacket they claimed to be Lucas' is actually taken from a photoshoot in a store. (which they already confirmed with the owner) There are really a lot of suspicions raised from the claims that makes all of the allegations questionable
not particularly the t-shirt incident but jimin actually get unnecessary hate in general. he has been main topics for hate & trolls for the way he looks & sexuality. he don't deserve the amount of dirt he gets tbh
I agree. The shirt was kinda controversial, and it's good that Hybe took action. But Jimin, on the other hand, would be the most hated member, for stupid reasons.
Woojin was betrayed by his own Fandom, what the heck, "stays"??? He's been cleared of all accusations and has solo music now. It's actually pretty good. He's got quality stuff
I don’t have anything on stays and personally love stray kids members to heaven and back but.. the bad apples in that fandom really makes it hard for me to get any closer or even Stan the group
@@user-yc4rd7zm2j yeah. Sometimes I always feel so bad for artist being so kind and lovable like Straykids are then having some few bad apples making the fandom look toxic even when they r still kind stays there
Let's make this clear, his fandom USE to be stays, now he is a soloist and has his own fandom that is not stays ☝️not to mention he got hated by the whole K-pop Industry fans... So don't just apply to us
@@finlee5460 most people that didn’t Stan Straykids simply stayed neutral. Stays that always nvr liked him used this as an opportunity to start hating on him like calling him ugly and shit. Who brought up the whole bullying scandal thing? Wasn’t it a stay?!
@@eccofr how is that a red flag sweetie like seriously if you know the person behind the keyboard personally I would encourage you standing for her but when you don't even know the person behind the keyboard like that person can be literally a man and say he is a woman and is got pregnant by a idol or can be a fing 13 yr old minor who lives in Brazil saying That she was in a korean bar. The person behind the anonymous account can be a literal psychopath or a pathological liar who knows . When you don't know the person behind the keyboard it's better to stay neutral and let the official ( police investigation ) take care of it instead of taking matters in your hand . In this way you not only hurt the possible victim and neither do you support a possible criminal . Cause if it turned out that the possible victim was actually a criminal ( defamation is a crime btw) then you would be almost ruining a innocent persons life . Staying neutral is rather the best decision any one can ever make . So now can you explain me why you think staying neutral is a red flag I would love to know that .
Although it spans 2.5 years in total (2010-2012) Jonghyun was probably one of the more hated male idols of 2012 because Anti's and fans threw a fit when he dated Shin Se Kyung in 10-11. At their concert, well several, he apologized because they were giving him and all of Shinee a black ocean for him dating. It was stupid. They had signed petty petitions to have him removed amongst other things and posted videos of them burning shine goods. It was stupid and probably impacted Jonghyuns later hurt and pain. Poor baby. Rest in Peace angel
so if you're not really familiar with what woojin had and still has to go through because of toxic kpop stans, here's a quick summary: • he is being made fun of for the way he looks and has people compare his face features to those of animals • he had his phone number leaked by some anti and people sent him death threats and gore pictures • there's hate and death threats literally everywhere on his social media and people still make hate videos and posts on him • he had his fans turn their back on him and burn his photocards and posters • he gets attacked for the stupidest things like doing a cover of a song or trending on twitter for his music for example • he said there were days when he couldn't eat or sleep because of the hate • stays gave him the name "sound monster" and keep spreading the lie that skz hate him and so should everyone else and I'm sure there's more i can't think of rn but seriously no one talks about how all this hate goes to an innocent man who is literally just minding his own business. woojin deserves a lot better, he's a good person
@Moonstar THIS! I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE! And what makes me even madder is that I had come across a lot of Stays in the comments section of Woojin-related vids where they had directly said, "Stays, he has been proven innocent so let's just stop now. Anyways, vote for SKZ/stream SKZ's *inserts recent song name*". Like, didn't you even feel 1% guilty for misjudging an innocent person?
I wouldn’t say he’s a good person, we still don’t know him personally. We don’t know any idol personally so we can’t say for sure if they’re good or bad people.
I feel terrible for Woojin. His case is definitely the reason I personally wait until the whole thing is over before accusing someone wrongly. I mean just imagine waking up checking your phone and the only thing you see are fake rumours and hate messages flooding your social media. It must have been terrible for him.
@@KHAYREE-kc she did think she ate didn’t she lmao!! But she devoured the whole plate. Get back in that damn basement and don’t be using my WiFi over there increasing my bills and shit!!🤷🏾♀️
I feel really bad for Lucas. SM should have handled the situation better. I just hope they are taking actions although they didn't tell the fans. Especially SM is known to take legal actions in silence. But regarding this case is it too much to give us " We are investigating the issue" kind of a statement instead of throwing their artist under the bus. They were just afraid of loosing their China money with the situation in C-entertainment industry during those days. At this point I don't care if he's in WayV or not. I just want him to be happy and healthy and do whatever he want.I will still support him no matter what..
True. SM is the worst example of dealing rumors or attack from netizens and sasaengs. The only response they can do always is hiatus but not give justice and reputation back to their hard working artist.
woojin's case is one of the worst because imagine literally not doing anything and then one day people start spreading disgusting rumors about you and everybody INCLUDING your own fans hating you while saying horrible things about you and not letting you move on for months. he truly is an inspiration for surviving the hate and being so strong. love woojin so much! and majority of stays are the worst :)
I understand what you mean about woojin he doesn’t really deserve any of it but judging a whole fandom based on one scandal says a lot about what kind fandom you are
@@Rikimuraa You should know they don't mean it that way. Just most of them are weird. My sister is a stay but she dose not care that people say it's the worst fandom bc most of them are and she agrees but if anyone said she was she would not agree. Stop acting dense.
Oh, the Woojin case was all over international fans as well. International stays were going crazy hating on him and creating new conspiracy theories about bullying and so on.
Personally, I don't like or dislike Woo-jin. I became a STAY after he left, so I can't say I'm angry or disappointed in him, because I have never cared, as rude (?) as that sounds. In my opinion, why hate a man for leaving a group, without knowing the reason he left. He was accused of bullying the other members, but we can't say if he did or didn't coz we don't have proof. Don't use Channie's message on his VLIVE as a way to justify yourself. I don't like nor dislike Woo-jin -- and personally think he is talented and cute -- either way, he shouldn't be hated on just becasue YOU are mad he left.
It's always international fans who believe victims without any proves, it's seriously annoying they don't keven know these idols and what happened between them People should either find prove or stay neutral, canceling idols just for existing is getting way too normal, because of them Woojin got so much hate and Jimin is inactive now(hope she is doing well), stays r probably one of the trashiest Fandom, they act like they know the members like they r the members of skz on their own.
@Kang Seulgi's simp oh- thanks for telling me, I was telling k-netizens coz most of the idols who were canceled for no reasons were canceled by k-netzens Tnx of info btw I will edit my comment :)
@@oifelixcomeherebro1689 The rumors are announced fake, there are a lot of proofs that he did not do them, moreover all the accuser herself was exposed using vpn and fake emails to catfish as a chinese/korean while using other people instagram pictures as a way for the story, don't know what the hell are you still saying but im guessing your not an nctzen since you look like you came from a cave
@@neofried. I just knew that the girl was lying when she posted a picture of him laying on a sofa, mentioning that it was him lying on the sofa of a motel room where they spent the night. That picture was of WayV dorms lmao . . . . Sorry for the bad english lol it's not my first language
@@oifelixcomeherebro1689 actually the so called "girls" who accused him never said anything about SA if you only read the translations you got it totally wrong the SA accusation is just made up from anties in the heat of the moment if you were there from the very the start you would know!!!
I feel so sad for Lucas.He is just innocent.When I am in depression,I watch Lucas's videos and feel so happy.I can't imagine that he will suffer that much for such false accusation.I want to see Lucas happy face again.
I feel so bad for Woojin. The allegations against him had been denied. He got so much hate for no reason. As a STAY, I find it very disgusting to see other STAYs sending him hate. Don't call yourself a real STAY if you hate Woojin. Even if you don't like him, don't hate him. I can name numerous so-called Kpop channels who took part in this hate train. He did not deserve that. It's funny how some STAYs will excuse the mistakes, no matter how big, made by SKZ members, but they don't forgive Woojin - as if like he even did something wrong. Edit: there is a certain someone in the replies telling me I don't know what really happened. I'm sorry, I didn't know you were there to witness all the "bullying", as if you yourself got all the inside scoop from the members themselves. 🤡
They didn’t betray him, they thought he did a horrid thing. You wouldn’t support someone after thinking they hurt others right? Exactly. The rumors have been cleared now but people were just trying to help the alleged victims at the time. Everyone thought they were doing the right thing, it wasn’t “betrayal” so don’t label it as that.
@@hotsexyangel maybe people should calm down and see the outcome first rather than LITERALLY RUINING SOMEONES CAREER, stay neutral or support the victim while still being sus BECAUSE WE DONT KNOW ANYTHING, i refuse to blindly believe accusations ESPECIALLY those without any proof
@@titandarknight2698 well he was literally innocent after all. the amount of stays who hate woojin because of these FAKE accusations is stupidly insane
Not to descredit assault victims, but is so easy to go online and accused someone of something without any evidence. Ruin someone’s career with lies is terrible.
exactly my thoughts. it's especially unconsiderate because it just takes away power from honest accusations. just imagine the amount of bad things some idols might have done but we will never know because the person who knows about it is afraid they'll be seen as a liar
I find it interesting how these "rumors" only happen to certain ppl. If it's so easy to spread rumors online, why isn't it common and prevalent that can affect a lot of ppl? Perhaps there is really something about those ppl that are terrible and did something wrong that propagated worse rumors.
Its heartbreaking to see those so called nctzens trying to force lucas to get out of the group when he was PROVED false anyway nct is 23 always!! lets support their cb coming soon ^^
Even though I’m being neutral, I feel bad about Woojin and Lucas. They were brought onto similar scandal types, and they both have proven innocent and clear. But the hate train still running.
You know what’s really sad is that so many people lie online about getting SA by a celebrity to the point where it makes it hard for victims who actually have this happen to them to speak out. For anyone who went/is going through something like this, just a reminder that you are strong, you will get through this, and you’re not alone💕
Y'all don't deserve woojin at all. He's sucha precious baby LIKE HOW DARE YOU F&KING HURT HIM so called sTaYS sMh and lucas oh god- do not get me started on both of them.
He was seen frequenting prostitution bars, that's likely why he was kicked out as it is against their contract. He was kicked out of course he did something wrong??
@@itsRebeccaRayne he left the group mostly because he wanted to be a solo artist. He’s a soloist now. He looks really happy. Pls do ur research before you say silly things like that.
@@itsRebeccaRayne I don't know what kind of proof you wanna have to believe that he wasn't kicked out, but you literally have a jype announcement where it says he left for personal issues (which could be his desire to be soloist, mistreatment, a family issue, mental health problems etc etc). It doesn't say that he is kicked out anywhere in that announcement. (don't tell me things like 'jype probably hid it' or 'jype didn't wanna have scandals' cuz I'm sure if he did something wrong and actually was kicked out, that would definitely be written on jype's announcement) I don't know why you, people like you, try so hard to spread false information about someone you don't even know personally. Talking without any proof... Just say that you hate him...
@@talarv9026 for real. JYP is not shy to exposing the truth behind artist departures.. it takes simple research to see that. Like I hate how people make claims as such with no proof, especially when the claims are so serious. You can’t just say things like that. Words have serious impact. People now of days 🤦🏽♀️
im stay and i support ot8 but i dont think that woojin is a bully. i think he leave bc he doesnt like the music genre of skz. if you listen to his songs now, its very soft, which is the opposite of skz's music.
it really is very soft but its also because his album is about what he went through after he left skz and all the accusations started, if you take a look at english lyrics of ready now its pretty well explaining his feelings just like the rest of the album and his covers
@@nxlix.x5424 Yeah really his album is really good and the lyrics are so touching. He even participated on the lyrics of every song. He is doing really well but I wish all stays were there to support him on his worst times and not turn their back just like they did😔
Exactly plus he got really less lines, not saying that it's anyone's fault. It's just that it's SKZ's music is mostly focused on rap, that's the basic reason.
@@owo-xu1fb That's what all idols have to say tho....especially in his situation he wouldn't be able to say anything if they did treat him wrong because it will cause more hate. Although I so think it was best for him to leave he kinda saved the other boys from the scandal that was coming...
Woojin is such a strong man I'm so proud of him. AND HOW DARE YOU CALL HIM UGLY just shows how shallow my fandom is, istg I'm so embarrassed $hitty people please stay away I'll even pay you 💙💙💙
Yes , woojin is one of best member , he has personal reason to be separate and everyone respect it , even people hate bangchan to let go ,woojin , this things isn't in the hands to him, ....🙏🏻🙏🏻 Surely everything goes right with both of them
@@Shivamkumar-uu9tu He left for personal matters (that's what it says on jype's announcement) and we won't know why, unless he himself wants to talk about it one day (he doesn't have to). And we don't have to know about it but just respect his decision. (btw if my phrasing sounds rude or harsh, sorry about it, I wasn't planning it to sound like that at all)
@@clehee4679 He didn’t say his name. So no he didn’t specifically say that Woojin betrayed them. Oh and Chan also said to not send hate to him when all those happened (when some stays were sending hate just because of Chan’s live) but you guys seem to dismiss those words of him. You listen to him when assuming that he says something bad about Woojin but when it comes to him actually warning to not send hate to Woojin, you are not listening all of a sudden. (Sorry if my phrasing is bad, english is not my native language)
@Moonstar aaww thank you. I just can’t stand these type of comments. Even though I wanna ignore, sometimes I just can’t. These people are ignoring the proofs/truth knowingly which is right in front of their eyes and that makes me mad.
@@TrinhNguyen-sh4fj you see I know some of it was lies but I also know they said some were true. I mean if it wasn't he wouldn't be arrested 🤷. Also there were other victims who came forward to say so to and didn't go to Twitter and other platforms to say so.
I don't know the whole thing clearly but jimin's controversy was a big misunderstanding and armys played a huge role in trying to resolve the issue by collecting information related to the text written on his shirt and they managed to get good evidences to prove that Jimin was not intended to hate Japanese people and did resolved the issue at the end proving him innocent
@@modkip25 if you look at it the text is in English and jimin definitely had no idea what it was talking about + T-shirts with a war picture and blast pictures are common in the market so it was hard to know the exact thing it is depicting also the outfits are given by the costume designers so you can't really blame jimin for it and no idol or public figure would like to ruin their years of hard work by doing something that dumb intentionally
@@jenneyluna3936 girl I am not justifying I am just sharing my thoughts and I don't understand how are you suppose to know which event does a particular picture represents I mean I couldn't guess which event a picture is from + why do you think he was celebrating isn't it dumb enough of a celebrity to do something like this on purpose and get cancelled by not just that entire country but also by several other people that too just before you have to perform there and he couldn't be thinking that no one will notice he's always followed by paparazzi also Japan has the biggest kpop fan base in the world every group wants to have their name established in Japan in such situations mocking Japanese people's sentiments is like purposely asking people to cancel them PS : I'm just sharing my thoughts and I obviously do not support purposely mocking someone's sentiments
@@jenneyluna3936 listen to me I understand your point but the fact remains that the picture is very small trust me I wouldn't have noticed it myself if I was wearing that shirt and the text is related to patriotism as you mentioned which makes it look like something related to patriotic feeling for one's country more over it was at the back of the shirt and the odds of noticing it or understanding the true meaning behind it is very low as you can't see it yourself even in the mirror And you didn't sounded rude at all you were just sharing your views as I was... you don't have to be sorry about it..and I know you too care about Jimin so don't worry I don't see you as a hatter 👍
The people who jumped on the hate train against Lucas are disgusting. You should really be ashamed of yourself. Ot22 and Ot6s 🤮. Half of them were too lazy to actually read the posts and just followed behind others. Many who were antis and part of the same ring of saseangs who started this mess. For those who actually read and paid attention since this mess begin you'd know a few critical things: 1. The evidence provided by the OPs was debunked. Not some of it. All of it. The pictures of items OP claimed to purchase weren't even items available to be purchased where they claimed to live. Not to mention the spliced together voice-mail messages, the badly edited pics, etc. 2. The OPS never alleged SA. Ever. There's probably a good reason including them not wanting it to become a criminal investigation because then they would be held accountable for any false information they gave online or otherwise. In addition the dates they gave Lucas was out of the country and working. Was he SAing them via Zoom? Lucas is a foreigner living in a country with political tensions with his home country. There is no way the SK government would let Lucas as a Chinese man get away with a criminal offense against a Korean citizen. 3. Gaslighting/Cheating: the OPS said Lucas told them he didn't want a gf. If the allegations were true they chose to keep seeing him knowing he was not going to commit. They used gifts to try to win his affection. They didn't get the relationship they dreamed off so they turned on him. Using gifts to win affection and then turning on a person is manipulative and vengeful to say the least. 4. Lucas has the right to date who he wants even fans. He also has the right not to stay with said fans if they turn out to be possessive or obsessive. People in relationships even casual ones sometimes give each other gifts. Just because someone gives you a gift doesn't mean you owe them anything in return. This goes for men and women. Do I believe Lucas dates -yep. I believe all idols do. The fact they have to hide it leads to crap like this where those they date can say anything because it's done behind closed doors instead of out in the open. People think Lucas is on a long hiatus because he really did something horrible. But it's really for his safety, he and his family are being followed and doxxed. He's receiving death threats. In addition SM is hiding him to protect their staff because Lucas said there are staff members selling access to members to saseang fans for money -which is so scary. So yeah there's more to it then just the online rumors but not necessarily for the reason alot of people think.
Kpop idols celebrating their independemce got everyone mad. We (even famous ppl in our country) celebrate that too BUT our colonizers didn't go wild af just cuz of it. And once again WW2 was studies cuz of that simple "accident"
Exactly what I was thinking!! Why tf where they mad that Koreans were happy that their holders or slave masters left them to go? I’ve watched numerous films of when Japan use to hold Korea such as (assassination 2017 movie). I’d be happy too if our holder let us go
The fact Lucas is innocent n is Still hated...The amount of troll on his mental health..I don't don't think Lucas will still be the same...He just needs to stay strong in this situation.. People need to understand this!! FIGHTING XUXI💚🌈📸
Lucas is innocent. He exposed sasaengs in bubble and then Lucas got attack by rumors since then. If u read investigate report in Twitter you'll know those allegations was written by Sasaengs Yourhighness, luxor, flytothemoon, spacetape and other WayV Chinese and Indonesian sasaengs who live in Korea. In between that, there might some other Chinese sponsor who give money and cooperate with. SM entertainment needs to release new statement. It's so wrong that SM keeps asking innocent idols to apologize first and then just let idols to fight these rumors alone.
Lucas is innocent. Haters can try all they want to discredit him and find stupid reasons to hate on him but you will never win. Allegations were proven false, evidences were fabricated, there was no victim. In fact the victim is Lucas himself. SA was never mentioned even in the fake accusations, this was something antis made up to spread like wildfire to hate on him. Saesangs started this whole thing specifically Your Highness and Luxor. KNOW the facts before spitting stupid nonsense defaming my boy. Nct OT23 and Wayv7 *kisses haters 😘* you lost 💅🏼
I can't speak on the others since I don't follow them but I'm hopeful Lucas returns to his active duties next yr. I know ppl are like how can you still root for him when he has SA allegations but I follow actual C-fans and while they admit he's being dragged for the fuck boy stuff, there are no SA allegations over there. Sure they could be lying but why would they when it would be easy for others to prove it's true? As for SK the cops there legit just made an arrest for a case of SA that happened like 14 yrs ago. They'd 100% be investigating him if those claims were true. So I dunno; I've read the debunked stuff on his other issues & whether you believe it or not it still shows stalkers are a whole ass mess.
I started stanning Stray Kids after Woojin left. I never felt anything for him, and wasn’t around when he left so I hold no feelings towards him. However, the hate he gets it too extreme.
If you watch his videos you can see how well wj gets on with 10x staff. Bad behavior is habitual and repetitive. You can't hide it forever because it will rear its ugly head. WJ has been with 10x 16 months now and you can see they always have great fun together. The staff at 10x really love wj alot.
Woojin is a warm person and as a cub, I can say he deserves all the love he's getting from his fandom. But honestly, It's really frustrating when people use those false statements to just throw hate on him, like omg just leave him alone. If you don't like someone it's fine, just mind your own business 🕴️🕴️🕴️
@@GiselleOutsold Tzuyuoutsold You still talking bullshit huh? I feel sorry for the person who has to kiss that vile mouth of yours. Oh wait, let Chan kiss it.
Because people are fake and love to jump on bandwagons. If they really cared about real sa victims, they would be crowdfunding so real victims can get abortions, therapy, and medical treatment for hiv, stds, bladder and yeast infections, torn vaginal walls from dry sex etc. Instead all internet sa crusaders do is throw words around and jump on bashing bandwagons.
So whenever a member leaves a group, their fandom doesn't just put the member's leaving under the carpet. Except... For Woojin. Stays dont wanna talk about him or the reason why he left
Stays should talk about what they did to wj behind his back. They should talk about the petition they created to have him removed from the group because he did not fit their beauty standards, how they called him fat and ugly for years, how they sent letters to jype complaining about wj being fat which resulted in him being put on a corn only diet, how they would push wj out the way at airports because they didn't like him, how they sabotaged him on his birthday and refused to sing happy birthday to him. That they won't speak of huh?
That is true and can you believe some fans even asked how to get rid of him on the posters and other group photos with him in it? I find that so sad… they claimed it was because they started liking the group after he left. Really??
They don't want to talk about him because they're the ones that ruined his career/reputation. They're also the ones that hated him whilst he was still in the group, believed the rumours without any proof (some even believe it still after it's been proven false) and they're the ones that still hate him. They don't talk about him because it shows their toxicity, they truly are one of the worst fandoms.
The reason why I would never become a stay is because toxic stay are the definition of fake love. One minute they trend #thankyouwoojin upon his announcement he was leaving, and then the moment fake victim Thais and fake jype staff Rafa posted their bullshit they threw him to the sharks and leaked his private information, sent death threats, spread his nudes all over the world without even bothering to investigate. While we in 72 hours established the bars were infact closed due to pandemic, at the time period hinted to in allegations. They can take that fake love and shove it where the sun don't shine!
@@coffeetae I know right. He literally putting everything to keep us happy. If you became Cub, than welcome to our fandom Cub. I'm mama cub and I really love to welcome baby cubs 💙
I can’t believe the other stays aren’t over woojin like its kinda a long time ago woojin already moved on and so did straykids, woojin is better off without straykids and straykids is better off without woojin. End of discussion. (I’m a stay and a cub)
I hope that karma comes to the people who falsely accused Woojin. The whole situation really stained Woojin’s career (badly). People believed the rumours even though there was no hardcore proof, the only “proof” that was there easily got debunked in the finger killer documentary. Yet, people still hate on him for dealing with the situation badly even though it has been PROVEN it was a mistranslation.
When I have seen so many people believing in the accusations against Lucas without any research or second thought about it I just knew they were no real Nctzens, but also felt so bad for Lucas, he is such an innocent soul, and the way people didn't even go with 'innocent until proven otherwise' was so heartbreaking. Haven't we learnt from Johnny Depp's case enough?
Johnny Depp's case is the result of the mindset "believe the victim first" his career was almost shattered. No matter what case it is don't always believe the victim first or the accused, just stay neutral in every kind of case
And in the mean time those sasaengs are posting on weibo how they know of Lucas whereabouts. Why would you still be stalking a man who you claim violated you? Its shocking how daft people are!
Sadly there are many who are anti male and always believe the women when they accuse the men of anything. I argued with some sick women like that who claimed to be married to men too. Haters just got to hate even if proof was in front of their faces.
Why would Jimin be called a Nazi when the Japanese people were on the Nazi’s side as an Axis power (not Ally)? If anything, he’s celebrating the demise of the Axis powers’ regime…?
Yea I remember stays were the first one putting woojin on a blast and adding up countless allegations on him, essentially fueling the fire and rumour mongering cause they didn’t want him to affect their OPPARS reputation! kinda sad how his EX fandom turned on him so fast, disgusting, I hope cubs treat him better
yeah it's really sad. I'm saying this as a Stay, if the current members were accused of something similar, I'm pretty sure those who hated Woojin at that time would be the ones defending the accused member right now. Btw, I'm in the Cub fandom and I'm seriously really happy. The fandom is full of nice people and all of us treat him well don't worry.
@Siddhi Kadam Heyoo! Nice to meet you too! Were you a fan of him, I mean did you know him when he was in the group or you just became a fan when he debuted as a soloist? Just curious 😊
I never see people discuss how precarious Lucas's situation really is.. Lucas said saesangs are paying staff to get access to the members. Which is part of the reason he was targeted by them in the first place. People are always wondering how saesangs are getting the members' numbers and showing up wherever the members are. Obsessed fans are literally being aided by their managerial staff to stalk them. Why Lucas may have not been having relationships with fans. I bet SM/Label V staff are. People thinking the hiatus is so long and extreme because the allegations may be true don't understand the gravity of what really happened. Lucas basically blew the whistle on his own company that's why he's been silenced. That with the political climate as he is from HK which has tensions with the Chinese government as well as works in SK which has it's own tensions with China made the whole situation even more high stakes. So Lucas's situation has a lot of implications for all the parties involved. Which is why he's literally vanished. It's way bigger than your average "scandal". I hope he has somebody he can trust wherever he is.
That makes complete sense. I didn't know Lucas said that, but if he did he didn't reveal anything new. There are many stories of these idol managers (not only in SM) using their position and the fame of the idol for their own benefit.. I still wonder where was his manager??
Hi! Can you tell me when/ where did he say they've paid Sasaeng staff. I mean we all know WayV have Sasaeng staff bcz they leaked their info even before the scandal but I can't remember him calling out their staff. If what you said was true , it makes sense considering the way he disappeared after hiatus.
No matter what happens cubs are always with woojin 🐻. When people said that when they first saw him they just get bad feelings from him but when I saw him I don't know he is looking low-key sweet and soft that time some stays tell me he is a bully but I never believed I don't know anything about stray kids that time but I seen a lot of people mocking his appearance in comment section. When cubs asked him about the situation he said past 3 months he can't even sleep properly he said he wished to commit sui..cide but he is afraid of it so he didn't done it I'm so happy atlast he has his cubs now he seems so much happy
Daesung was proven innocent through police investigations. It was proven that the man was already died when he had the first accident and his family accepted and forgave Daesung. Also Daesung was not drunk, he was just driving carelessly which caused him to not see the victim's body on the street. Also it was said that the taxi and Daesung's car were really close to each other so when the taxi driver changed the line he didn't have enough time to react and do the same. Kim Hyun Joong was proven innocent as well. His image was damaged the worst among all these guys mentioned and not only for those 2 years but all these years until now he can not have activities in SK. The ex-girlfriend was lying about everything and it was proven on court and she was sentenced as well. Lucas and Woojin were innocent but were canceled because nowadays Kpop fans just ride on the train of hate without waiting for evidence or furthur news. Most of the male idols that get hate are because of serious accusations which not all of them are real, but all of them get canceled even if they are proven innocent.
I suddenly remember when Lucas made bracelets during Mtopia😭 His smile was literally innocent when he lend it to other Super M members one by one....why is this happening to him 😭 he doesn't deserve this
I just realized why I left certain fandoms but still listen to some group songs still e.g. It's because of the fandom toxicity some ncztens was literally forcing Lucas to leave even after he was proved innocent. Stays well boii that's one of the most toxic fandoms ever you may not see it but once you reach at the bottom of the fandom you will see many things that will make you want to leave many people only see the surface of the fandom Stray Kids also I don't stan them anymore either for reasons. Anyways I'm happy that Woojin is doing well and is healthy. I'm still a little sad that Lucas isn't back as yet but once he's healthy and happy so am I.
WOOJIN DOESNT DESRVE THE HATE IM A STAY AND IM ALSO A CUB LIKE YALL GOT NO FUCKING PROOF HES A BULLY THE ONLY PROOF WAS THE CLIP FROM THAT GAME EVERYONE WAS PLSYING TOUGH AND THEY DIDNT GET CALLED BULLY
Woojin getting hate was the most stupid thing in kpop. Like i extremely love skz(im a stay) but then i also respect woojin. Leaving the group was his decision and people should respect it not blame him. And guess what. People made chan(leader) apologize for Woojin Leaving the group,cuz chan promised to take care of the group and stay 9 together. I dunno if u ever noticed but it's not only Woojin, the amount of hate skz gets is really too much too( and as much i know stays won't hate their own idols, so saying it was only stays hated woojin is wrong). So in short whether it's 9 of them or 8 of them they are still getting hatred, which they don't deserve. Nobody should be hated. Respect Woojin and skz both.
I'm new STAY after Thunderous. But Woojin's case makes me feels bad about being a STAY. I feel like a bully to him. He deserved better. Please sane STAY, love and support him!
You what’s really sad is that so many people lie online about getting SA by a celebrity to the point where it makes it hard for victims who actually have this happen to them to speak out. For anyone who went/is going through something like this, just a reminder that you are strong, you will get through this, and you’re not alone💕
@@dacom1179 well I heard that he is been sentenced for 3 years because of prostitution case ? I heard People still does hate them That scandal is still not clarified enough I think they don't had any valid reasons against him well if he is innocent I have no problem I'll edit the comment don't consider that as a hate But his Hyungs always have been mentioning about seungri' behavior and his freinds
Sorry to say but why don't companies first do a background check on their artists from time to time ,,some companies deny yet it could be true,,they should not comment on anything until they are sure about the accusations .Then again I don't believe in hate but I believe in justice,if one has done wrong he should be held responsible but some reasons for hating this idols do not amount to the hate they received.
