The Most Important Background Vocals Trick

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Artist: Brave Holiday
Song Title: Just Kids
Producer:Andrew Bergthold
In this episode of MakeMineMusic, Marc Daniel Nelson shows a sneaky but extremely
effective trick to get your background vocals to stay under the lead which in turn makes
the lead vocal even stronger. Follow along as he shows you step by step. Is this the most
important Background vocals trick?
This trick has saved Marc an incredible amount of time when trying to get the clarity needed to get the background vocals sit up front, and behind the lead vocals, without sounding brash or like they are taking over the main lead vocal.
The song used to demonstrate this trick is “Just Kids” by Andrew Bergthold
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@Producelikeapro 3 года назад

What do YOU do when mixing vocals? Comment below!

@rrdream2400 3 года назад

for certain songs, I have rolled off the high end on all the backups, like over 5k

@mobthegamer5391 3 года назад

I use a similar trick but using a plugin called TrackSpacer by WavesFactory, which ducks down the frequencies to make room for the source to poke out, it's almost like sidechain compression but less "squashy".

@me1k0r 3 года назад

I mostly despair...:-)

@timball8429 3 года назад

DS-ing is definitely something I do but never thought about a multiband side chained from the main Vox. Good idea. Thanks! One thing I do is more in tracking getting the BVs sung from further away (like 18 inches or more depending on the style). This makes less work for the compressor. Less sibilants, plosives and proximity affect.

@updown5238 3 года назад

Clip gaining the vocal helps where needed helps hit the vocal compressor in a more even, better fashion - and a bit of tape delay on the vox is nice too.

@timelias3738 3 года назад

As a jingle singer in the 70's and 80's, it was common to drop "esses" as a bg singer. Cleaned up splashy esses without de essers

@Producelikeapro 3 года назад

Indeed! I often make sure BV singers either don’t sing them or I will mute them or bring them down afterwards

@blqckpop 2 года назад

With Melodyne one can just completely remove the Ss from the BVs. Since you don’t need more than one S across the entire vocals you can adjust that one S how you like. But of course , great advice here, Great work Marc!

@danepaulstewart8464 Год назад

YES! The lost skill that EVERY jingle singer in Chicago all knew how to do in the 1980’s. Lost knowledge is a real thing. It’s not limited to Roman Road Building.

@RaphaelLoopro 6 месяцев назад

I actually remove it with fade ins but also sing backings without ts and sses

@nigell.8705 6 месяцев назад

Nobody is talking about the awesome lighting, color palette, and color contrast of your video. They're awesome.

@ericjvalentine 3 года назад

Just a friendly heads up! Andrew Bergthold is a friend, and he was the producer on this. The artist is actually Brave Holiday. Just want to give them credit too. Thanks for a great video!

@madmuso5 3 года назад

I always automate the level of S's and P's almost all the way down if the BVs and main vocals are singing the exact same parts. As long as they are present in the main vocal your ear doesnt notice.

@TECTONICSMASH Год назад

Simple and effective. Automation can solve most problems that people try to fix with fancy effects processing.

@TheUndoneOrchestra Год назад

So grateful for Produce Like a Pro in helping us to sit at the feet of these talented engineers...thank you Marc for participating.

@Skykingsound 3 года назад

Can we get a video just showing off the Fairchild? BTW, great process and perfect timing as I have a few songs with 3-part background vocals.

@Producelikeapro 3 года назад

Marvellous idea!

@jossuecastaneda8135 3 года назад

UnfairChild

@calvinschatzke5899 3 года назад

This trick also seems to add a lot of sweet dynamic variance between the front and backing vox. Awesome!

@MaxFury_Official 3 года назад

It's almost an jawdropping reaction on this genius trick! Why did i never think about that? I usually just cut out the S's and drop them in volume, Haha

@brucedickert5411 3 года назад

Hey, don't worry. That is another great way to address this situation. I'm not entirely convinced that it would take THAT much longer anyways. I do the same thing.

@Alienor-music 3 года назад

Same here.

@brettjockell6611 3 года назад

I am old and feeble so I watched it twice...oh hell yeah...cool trick. I'm curious since I dont have that particular plugin......what is the lo pass cut off and slope you used on that band? Great move!

@Producelikeapro 3 года назад

Yes, simple, but effective!

@moyrmixhub54 3 года назад

@@brettjockell6611 The cutoff is set to about 3.7k and it looks like the default slope of 24db/oct.

@philfyphil 3 года назад

Just the concept opens up all kinds of ideas for controlling other frequencies.

@Producelikeapro 3 года назад

Exactly!

@FavioMagnoGuitarrista 3 года назад

"You are the champion" Marc Daniel Nelson: Humility, Simplicity and Immeasurable Talent in 8 '. Thanks Warren !!! PLAP: "The best channel in real life" Blessings!

@Producelikeapro 3 года назад

Thanks ever so much Favio!! You Rock!!

@FavioMagnoGuitarrista 3 года назад

@@Producelikeapro Your Rock Warren! Blessings and good weekend !!!

@Producelikeapro 3 года назад

You’re very kind Favio!

@RoryButlerMusic 3 года назад

Finally getting round to watching this and it's the perfect time for this trick. Working on a mix where the artist thought my approach to the backing vocals was too present and I think this will be a godsend in tucking some of the harshness back!

@davejohnsonmusic 3 года назад

What a cool trick. I just found a new problem and fix to look out for. This dude mixes some great tracks. He's so good.

@mikaanttila9251 3 года назад

Thank you again MDN - excellent tip for free. And you don't only control the "s" with MB compression. At the same time you control high frequencies and this way send the background vocal further and create more space for lead vocal.

@christianbeale 3 года назад

wrapping up an LP mix right now and this was the EXACT thing that my BV bus needed. thanks for the trick as always ya'll!

@Producelikeapro 3 года назад

Fantastic!

@misterjohnnymusic 3 года назад

Very creative. Years of experience guides to the top!

@FredGuits 3 года назад

You can have 1 background do the S… and the others use a TH on the S as if lisping…. You can also direct the background singers except for 1 to just mis-pronounce and leave of the S completely off the word…instead of sun (un) … sounds ridiculous but it absolutely works and uses less processing

@massivebeatzz 3 года назад

that means telling them to behave like Frankenstein...or comedians...going to be hard to sustain over longer periods of time.

@NICUofficial 2 года назад

Wow that is a THICCCCC mix, good hearing these tips, not what I expected to get what I clicked in, but gonna be massively helpful since I"m producing AND tracking AND writing AND singing on my next album for NICU... boutta head back into the home recording booth to start working on background vocals for the album's main single. This gives me some great ideas about what I can expect to adjust in production vs. what I need to think about when coming up with cool vocal harmonies.. helps alot.

@timmsky 3 года назад

Who are the philistines who give this man a thumbs down? For shame... Marc, once again your expertise rocks my world. Thankyou man, thank you!

@audiospectra 3 года назад

Unfortunately, you can impress everyone. Some people will always find fault in everything.

@jamesjames77777 6 месяцев назад

THANK YOU Brother!! I do something similar with Bass, only side chain the bottom end, but never thought to do it on vocals. Doing this on a record right now, you just saved me a load of time! X

@briankingart 3 года назад

Doctor (MD) Nelson does it again, magic vocals! Thank you Dr.

@kendallhoulder5139 3 года назад

Mixing Multiple Tracks like this...CLICK ON THE VIDEO BOOM !!!! YOU SOLVED THE PROBLEM I WAS HAVING...THANK YOU BRO!!!

@GoldTopDeluxe70 3 года назад

You share such practical and useful techniques I am always impressed with the depth of knowledge you are putting into your work. Thank you, thank you, thank you…

@jloiben12 3 года назад

This is a phenomenal idea

@matthewsweet5232 3 года назад

What a great technique! Thanks @ProduceLikeAPro for these mini-classes!

@MixingInActionStudios 4 месяца назад

Love having this knowledge to come to when i need it the most. This just helped improve the current mix im working on. Thanks Marc. Thanks for sharing

@AlexeySolovievMusic 3 года назад

Love all videos with Marc! Thank you so much Warren for inviting only the Best to the party!

@urigelman2182 3 года назад

Nice trick! Cool and quick way to get the BGVs to play nice with the Lead Vox.

@Alien-qw5ks 3 года назад

The ducking of certain frequencies by side chaining is a very useful trick. Ideas triggered! Thnx :-)

@abelhopson9785 3 года назад

Thanks for the detailing tips ,its really helpful

@G-Doggy 3 года назад

I see a new MDN or Warren video, and I get my notebook out. Another great tip. Thank you!

@starsandguitars2050 3 года назад

Thank you. I really gain insight from your tutorials. Truly thankful.

@antcall6779 3 года назад

I get such a huge smile when I hear that intro music! Marc you are my hero and my favorite mixer. Great info as usual my friend 🤘

@frederickthorne2496 3 года назад

brilliant! this is so helpful. thank you!

@wagnergarcia2011 Год назад

The king Nelson!

@MusiclyricsByECDaleyC 3 года назад

Great tip, you always bring the goods! Thank you....

@teddinardo8944 3 года назад

thank you for another great show, Produce like a Pro has to be the best for producers on RU-vid

@andrecarvalhomusic 3 года назад

Marc is AMAZING!

@trevortjes 3 года назад

Damn, this technique sounds so logical now. When trying to keep the backing vocals in the back, I thought it was a good idea to run a transient controller over them to kill the transients which tend to stand out in the mix where you don't want them, but I never got great results with it.

@Producelikeapro 3 года назад

Yes! Agreed 100%!

@Knardsh 3 года назад

I just tried this today actually. Also didn’t work very well.

@Producelikeapro 3 года назад

@@Knardsh yes, using transient control really is putting a bandaid on a gaping wound!

@emilianovillavedra6979 3 года назад

Super pro tip!

@fivechordmusic Месяц назад

Really nice move. Love your work buddy :)

@MarkNordeen 3 года назад

Another super informative video from Marc. A technique that I will be using.

@dominiksikulec3454 3 года назад

Thank you Marc ❤️

@billyjoebobjimjr 3 года назад

Awesome tip! Thanks Marc!

@pinkpalmsmusic Год назад

yes sir!❤️

@theMarcoBarosi 3 года назад

I wanna be Marc when I grow up

@updown5238 3 года назад

Marc you're the man!

@erhanbilge8442 2 года назад

Always feel smarter after your videos thanks a bunch!

@tutubeos 3 года назад

Very clever. Thank you!

@surgerywithoutknives2353 3 года назад

Top stuff … as usual 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

@LasseHuhtala 3 года назад

Indeed a neat trick.

@mixedbykg8885 4 месяца назад

Great technique

@splashesin8 3 года назад

🙌🏻😀Thank you Marc!

@whatafterthis 3 года назад

Great tip as always, thanks!

@timflatus 3 года назад

Thank you so much for that big fat clue!

@chike1866 3 года назад

I can totally relate. Esses in delays too can be annoying.

@Joey-rp5vg 3 года назад

Smashing video Marc. Thanks very much. Keep them coming

@martinnomade 3 года назад

You always learn something new, thank you!

@bobbykanemusictube 3 года назад

I am most certainly going to try this. It's a great idea.

@Bring_MeSunshine 3 года назад

I'll take that. Thank you very much

@timoteooo94 7 месяцев назад

It’s all about the ear! Another secret is to have one track with no effects. Also panning helps too and flangers. Just gotta kno how to level it.

@jefwilson6695 3 года назад

I wish that you could elaborate on "keying it". -I think that you're creating a side chain de-esser, using the main vox as a trigger to reduce top freqs of bgrnd vox; and "keying it" is glossed over, and I suspect that it tops the important aspects of this process.

@melo3101 Год назад

The key is the source that triggers a certain effect : in that case the key is the lead vocal

@kazlee7985 2 года назад

Greatly improved my bcks! thank u brother

@montysweetmusic3458 3 месяца назад

Very very useful tip. Thank you so much for sharing

@rickdeaguiar-musicreflecti7692 2 года назад

Excellent advice. Thank you so much for taking the time Mark :)

@marc_leblanc 3 года назад

Great tip from MDN. Plus his name is Marc, can't go wrong there!! LMAO

@fulstaak 7 месяцев назад

That's a pretty smart technique. Thanks for sharing.

@stefanpicard 3 года назад

Great vid. What I didn't get though is how you just send out the esses as a trigger out of Bus3. As I have understood, B3 contains the DeEsser. Fine. It sends the signal out to the BVOX Bus. there you put the Multibandcompressor, which filters out the Esses. My missing link is the Esses trigger coming from Bus 3, since I can only see the complete, de-essed signal coming out there......hhhhhhmmmm Hope this is not to umm. BTW: I like your vids!

@akosiniroh 3 года назад

as always, great content!

@DarrenWinklerMusic 3 года назад

Fantastic tip!

@LizardWizard_ 3 года назад

Thanks for the tip! 👍🏼

@aeiplanner 3 года назад

It would be great if you could do a vocal processing chain step by step on this track. I think this is what most people shoot for in terms of getting the vocals to sit properly in the mix.

@m.o.n.d.e.g.r.e.e.n 3 года назад

learned this the hard way esp because i was recording bv's with a 2db high shelf. the buildup was nasty and i didnt realise until id tracked them all. my crude on-the-fly idea was just to cut the sybs really aggressively on all but one or two of the bv tracks. this way is obv way more profesh so thanks for that

@pinkpalmsmusic Год назад

yes sir!👌

@mikewallace1270 2 года назад

Wow the comments are great. I've learned so much reading everyone's comments. There are many ways to do this. I had no idea!

@Producelikeapro 2 года назад

I love our community!

@allpdmusic 3 года назад

Very cool Marc! Thanks!

@samkenny3075 3 года назад

Fantastic idea!... dammit, I wish I woulda thought of that! Seems so obvious once you said it

@imado1999 3 года назад

the fairchild in the background is all what im looking at

@butterfly2385 3 года назад

Cool...I enjoyed that song...has a nice vibe...✌💜😃🎸🎤🎧🎹

@nashse7en 10 месяцев назад

Bro i never though about that "deess in the backVocals" never even saw nobody talking about it. Wow thats a good and simple trick.

@Producelikeapro 10 месяцев назад

Marvellous!

@uniquerecords5034 3 года назад

But I sidechain a lot kick-bass, or others things when needed! But it is a cool trick!! Always great to see!! Thanks guys!!

@petercutler3136 2 года назад

Nice One. Thanks.

@coalshedfamily8394 2 года назад

Thx you learned alot

@Producelikeapro 2 года назад

Glad to hear it

@jamespark5842 3 года назад

Thanks 👌

@miamisynthwave Год назад

Thanks a million, really good trick. :-)

@lancecollins5074 Год назад

thank you

@Producelikeapro Год назад

You're welcome

@professorsharp1 Год назад

im gonna try this!

@silversteelstudio Год назад

Thank you for sharing this trick

@andytullis8736 3 года назад

Very interesting.........thank you

@mdemartial2670 Год назад

Super tricks THX

@philippgrunert8776 3 года назад

Great Tipp

@dk60ish 4 месяца назад

Cool song!

@kidwave1 3 года назад

This is an amazing technique!

@pb3662 9 месяцев назад

@Producelikeapro What "in-ear" monitors does Marc use? You see them in a lot of videos so I assume they work well for him but it wasn't covered in the studio tour and I cant find any information elsewhere?

@opinionatorX 2 года назад

Is there a limiter on the master bus giving overall volume boost and presence?

@azuraldotv Месяц назад

M. Nielsen equal automatic thumbs up😊

@JayYarbroughMusic 3 года назад

Great stuff as always. Always excited to see pros talk about mixing background vocals. I also enjoyed how you were fading in and out the song you're working with but.., I think you were kinda doing that headphone wearing yelling thing as the volume went up ROFL. Too funny. Marc, love your videos!!

@marcdanielnelson317 3 года назад

@miqueas1992 3 года назад

Cool trick! I'm curious though... How different is this compared to simply de-essing the background vocals. Assuming all the vocals are singing the same lines, wouldn't that create the same effect?

@audiospectra 3 года назад

I think the background vocals do have some type of de-essing, whether with a plugin or gain riding. With this trick the lead vocal always remains upfront, when the lead is not playing the backgrounds will come in front of the mix. So, the sidechain effect is there to create dynamic movement.