I like how Buck-toothed Varmint,Horse 🐴 faced Sadney Cronksby fought so hard this and last year,to not only miss the playoffs one but 2 TWO YEARS IN A ROW!Let that sink in,they are trash now and he can only work for personal achievement & awards.Go on,big deal they paid for their cups now REBUILDING is right around the corner and yall know it,it's lurking and eminent and creeping.Have fun with that future,it's gonna be long and lousey.
Hahaha salty much? They damn near made the playoffs this season when they had no business being there! Every damn team in the east was praying hard, because they knew if that penguins team made the postseason they had all the momentum to make a deep run... believe that! Next season is gonna be a different story bet on it
I’m from Philly and that was a tough pill to swallow then and now but still cold af 😂 funny how the world works he would later player for us and I loved em
I never played hockey. Can somebody explain how losing a fight shifts momentum in your favor? Looked like Talbot got the worst of that scrap. I know there’s something I’m ignorant of.
I had Max's brother,cousin and best friend in my cab ,less than 24hours after they won the cup They went to the State store Then to his Apt on Southside They asked me who was my favorite Play-errr I'm 30 homie ,I don't have a favorite Play-errr You know the one you like a little bit more than the others ?( Heavy French Canadian accent ) Well I'll say this I think Max should've got MVP not Malkin Oooh that is actually who we are going to go see Max ,you must come down ,you ere our cab drivers favorite player He came down Tipped me greatly,we did a shot ,gave me a hug and a handshake Great moment for me
@@paulsansonetti7410 that’s a GREAT story! We did the Southside Bar crawl- free drinks - my sign said I drove 12hrs- my sister-in-law took me to see where Max lived, we saw him and a blond getting out of a car in his spot and got an autograph and pics with him. As we were walking away she said “I think that was his brother!” Who cared?😄 Ended up at Mario’s Bar and when some drunk girl tore my sign, Hal Gill pulled me to the bar and bought me a drink with Kunitz, Scuderi, and Co. it was the greatest- I just wish I could remember more! 😵💫😆
@@Topshelf87 his brother does look almost exactly like him Good times man Good for you I was really upset when they let Scuds leave, and upset again when they bought him back Where's 12 hours away exactly ?
I hold that whole 08-09 squad in very high esteem. This is what pittsburgh is all about. Was in a really dark place. My brothers died in a car wreck . My mom died of a drug overdose. Fought off a legal charge that couldve put me away for 5 years. My friends gave up on me. Dropped out of college. And the penguins were all i had left to hold on. When that fight happened, it really picked me back up and gave me hope.
I just have to say, as a wings fan I had the opposite experience sorta. 08 wings winning really was a great moment and I was in a good place. 09 wings losing to Penguins was devastating for me, and I was also in a rough spot in life at the time, I still can’t rewatch that series at all because it triggers not just the loss but those bad memories with what I was going through..with THAT said, it honestly makes me feel really happy for you and others who used that, or any team, winning a championship to get you through tough times. I’m really sorry about the tragedies you had to go through, but man sports really help you through the worst of times. Nothing but love to you, brother.
see man this is what sports are all about. Thanks for sharing your story man, I love hearing how much sports can mean to people. Reminds me of the canucks back in 2020, when everything all around was going wrong, the one thing I could lean on was my team. Hope you're doing well now bro.
@StuartTurner13 for sure. Its getting better. It's a slow process. It's been nothing but a roller coaster after my baseball career flopped, but I traded that in for a healthy career in mma. It really is a lifestyle. :)started training in 2020 during the pandemic. Best decision I could've made.
I’m real actively new to hockey (grew up around it but started watching in 2019) an I LOVE your videos!! They do such a good job explaining things, and the editing style/ choice of music keeps me entertained the whole time. You’ve put a lot of time and effort into these videos and it really shows! Can’t wait so see what you come up with next!!
Nice job putting this all together. I remember watching this as it happened and the fight absolutely changed the game. There is a great interview with Talbot where he admits he was responsible for the first goal against and new he had to do something. It would be great if you could clip it into this video. I like how you went back and set up the whole history leading up to the moment. Nice job.
Excellent job telling the story!! as a native Pittsburgh and a diehard hockey fan, my entire life and a season-ticket holder for Crosby’s first four years and someone that took advantage of the student rush program to get tickets before that in the 01-02,02-03,and 03-04 seasons you did a perfect job of explaining what was going on in Pittsburgh then
Those two playoff runs both ending against the Red Wings sealed the deal for me. Hockey is the greatest sport on the planet. This channel is epic man, instant Sub.
Who would've thought that the most consequential player of the post-Therrien years would've been Michel Therrien's favorite guy? Max is forever a hero in Pittsburgh, down to the point of being a guest PA announcer for French-Americans Night the past few years.
Hockey. The only sport that can compete with the excitement of football games. I’d argue it’s more exciting in the playoffs because it’s an entire series not just a game which any team can win. A series. The best team always wins.
Amazing how Talbot will always be loved and respected as much as almost any player that played for the team but once he went to the Flyers, they never appreciated him the same way. I live out in in Joisey now sadly, and went to a comedy show in Philly one night in 2012. While sitting at my table I saw Max come in with two girls with him and no one else there even noticed him. After the show people had pretty much all left and he was still sitting at the table with absolutely no one coming up to him. My wife (gf at the time) knew I wanted to say hi and get an autograph but I didn't want to pester him when he was with "company" so she walked over and asked for me. He looked thrilled that anyone even knew who he was and when I told him I was a Penguins fan he chuckled in a almost knowing way because of course. He didn't sign my autograph with anything Flyers, like his Flyers number, but with his Pens number and "Superstar" after his name. Probably made his whole night. Mine too.
Listen as Flyers fan I loved having Talbot on our side, was weird because he was a Penguin, I was annoyed when they moved him & shocked a bit when his career ended so soon (to me anyway)
Knew it was the Max fight immediately seeing the thumbnail. Gotta admit though, I 100% forgot we had Peter Sykora 😆. And i was there for Mullen, Francis, 66 & 68, and the 90's boys! Shame shame 😞. Great vid though. Goosebumps
As a pens fan I always loved Geno but the pens were an eye lash away from having Sidney Crosby and Alex Ovechkin…. That would have been crazy! I imagine 5 or 6 cups not 3
I remember in the 2003-2004 season when I was at a Screaming Eagles game and took a puck to the head in the audience. I was eight years old and was given a jersey signed by the whole team as a get better gift. I still have that jersey, and Fleury's signature is on the shoulder.
As a lifelong Flyers fan, Carcillo was one of the dumbest players I’ve seen play. I still remember him instigating that fight when we were up 3-0 and my first thought was, “Why???” Why would you give the Penguins any life? I miss those Flyers/Pen playoff matches even back to the late 80’s. They are the definition of a great rivalry in sports. You hate the other team but respect the hell out of him. Unfortunately our management has sucked for the past decade as we are mired in mediocrity. I don’t have much hope in Briere as we actually took a step back this year losing Gauthier and Hart. I’m sorry that Hextall ruined your team too.
Hahahah man carcillo was still entertaining. Next video is on the 2010 flyers man, that team was my childhood. Will forever stand by trading Richards and carter were the 2 stupidest moves the flyers could’ve done.
If I remember this correctly, the Rangers were supposed to have the first pick that year but they changed it to the lottery. I know that it was controversial because Crosby was practicing with Mario before they picked him. The Penguins were bankrupt and were going to sell and move to a different state. Then magically got the number 1 pick and got Crosby
Weird seeing these guys as kids again. God I'm old. I remember right where I was for that game and rolling my eyes at Edzo talking about it being a mistake for Carcillo to fight Talbot.
@@StuartTurner13 They were getting run out of the building and I flipped when Talbot shooshed the crowd. "Who the f--k are you shooshing, Talbot?!?! You guys are getting KILLED! STOP SHOWING OFF AND PLAY HOCKEY!!!", etc. A minute later Geno banged in that rebound and away we went. That whole run was so stressful (except for about 90% of the Canes series...they just couldn't hang after Malkin broke them in game 2).
As a flyers fan this was a great series.also the beginning of our downfall.the flyers trading Richards ,Carter and allowing brierre to leave destroyed this club .we got to watch out nucleus of talent win two Stanley Cup for the kings.im 51 yrs old and lifetime flyers fan .these trades were the worst thing the franchise did and we never recovered from it
as an outsider, I never understood the trades.. Richards was the heart and soul of the team and if the management just believed and got them a goalie, they would have won the cup in 2012 and I stand by that
Things I forgot about. Gonchar missing half the season. Guerin being such an effective net-front presence. And Talbot's turnover in Game 6 before the fight. Also, a subtle moment is when Crosby ties the game at 3, Kunitz grabs his jersey and pulls him away from the front of the net in case any Flyers wanna screw with him.
Speaking as a Flyers fan, I never liked Carcillo - and this fight is a big reason why. There are hills to die on, I get that, but that wasn't one of them. He was just a dumb penalty waiting to happen - and this one led directly to a momentum shift and... there we were.
I never realized how close ovechkin and Crosby could have been on the same team if pens won that lottery . My goodness. I know they still got malkin but still imagine ovechkin and Crosby 😂
Real good video. Being a Wings fan- I don't agree that it was the most important in NHL history. For us it would be the Wings/Avs brawl back in the 90s. I can see where a Pens fan would think this one is tops though.
I heard an interview with Bill Guerin last year where he raved about the guts of Max Talbot taking on the clearly better fighter in Dan Carcillo and how it effected the Penguins. He said if Max could lay it out like that, the rest of the team better do the same... and they did.
Just imagine if Philadelphia didn't trade away Carter & Richards, they would have Claude Giroux as the 2nd line center!! Philly made a huge mistake & cost them the cup
First off, let me complement you for an entertaining and mostly factual summary of the rise of the Penguins, and how, as many opposition fans would argue, the NHL conspired to help them regain NHL relevancy. It's certainly a great turnaround story, and as someone who grew up in the state, albeit a fan of the other Pennsylvania team, while I relish the cross state rivalry, I also have to give credit where it's due. Sid's influence on the modern generation of NHL stars can not be denied, as for the most part they grew up watching him and seeking to emulate many of his signature skills. With that said, I am amused by the clickbait title and find this to be a prime example of how ridiculous a lot of hockey fans are in their beliefs. FIGHTS DON'T MATTER. All that happened in this game, is that the "worst lead in hockey" proved once again to be the "worst lead in hockey". If anything, Dan Carcillo even playing for the flyers, was a symptom of a disconnect between the young flyers core lead by Richards and Carter, and the 70's era management as personified by GM Paul Holmgren. Ostensibly, a desire to control the locker room and curb the "party boys" lead to the terrible decision to trade Scottie Upshall for Dan "carbomb" Carcillo, which set the stage for this fight. Rumor has it, that the trade was primarily intended to curb the party group. It also was an early example of a trend that undermined the reputation of the franchise, as a "player friendly" destination, adding to a history of poor communication and relations with players that continues to plague the team in present times. Upshall would state later, that he found out he was traded, not from the Flyers directly, but rather, by hearing about it on a local sports radio station. In the trade, the Flyers got a middleweight who was slower and less skilled, with a propensity to punch people in the face even when doing so seemed to have no strategic value. The team already had Arron Asham and Riley Cote as well as solid energy player Darroll Powe to drop the gloves if need be. About the only argument that could be made, was that the Flyers had a strong Right wing group, and lacked left wing depth at the time, but that's reaching. Flyers management tried to sell the trade at the time, as an example of the Flyers getting a superior overall player, which is a claim that few fans were buying. I can't emphasize enough how much this move derailed a team that was on an absolute tear, and how stupid the trade was: The Flyers sent Upshall with his 7g/14a, plus a 2nd round pick, to the dismal Coyotes for Carcillo's 3g/7a. With more ice time and an elevated role, Upshall would double his production in the final 18 games, putting up another 8g/13a, while Carcillo's run with the Flyers (including playoffs) was 4 assists! To make matters worse, Upshall had performed well in the prior year's series loss to the Pens, where he had 3g/4a in the series. In summary, the seeds of this loss were planted in that trade, and way it undermined the morale of the team at a time when they were playing well, only to limp into the playoffs going roughly 500 in their last 20 games after the trade, and 5-4-1 in the last 10. Had the Flyers won a single game, they would have jumped over the Pens, and enjoyed home ice advantage in this series. Pens fans might believe that Max Talbot (a nice player in his day) getting pummeled and then putting a finger to his lips actually meant something, when the reality is that Flyers fans who actually followed the team in that era, saw a young team that was lacking the swagger and confidence they needed to play the hockey they were capable of.
I appreciate the kind words, and the honesty. I was a diehard flyers fan back in 2010, my first taste of playoff hockey, and I can imagine you'd agree but I was crushed when they traded richards and carter, in my eyes another move to rid the "party boy" culture, I'd love to hear what you thought when those 2 got moved though
@@StuartTurner13 100% agree. That trade was devastating, given how close the team was in that era, with the SCF loss to Chicago. In fact, your video in a way highlights the fact that there was a lot of parity in the league at that time. Flyers and Pens were tied in points for the season, and both had a nearly identical team +/-. Having momentum going into the playoffs can not be understated. I watched Richards and then Carter in LA, and saw how important they were to the Kings winning their cups. Unfortunately for Richards, he sustained a series of concussions that lead to an early retirement, but the Kings don't win their cups without this trade happening, which will always leave me with the question of "what if" the team hadn't been blown up.
We hated him.but that is a sign of respect .same way pens fans hated lindros.i wish the flyers didn’t trade away carter ,Richards and brierre ,this would have been a great rivalry throughout the 2010’s ,unfortunately the flyers management has been absolutely terrible since this series..im 51 years old pens vs flyers was such a fun rivalry my entire life .except the last decade the flyers have been horrible
You forgot to add the 2009 refereeing and how it aided the Penguins. There are even reports on this. You should’ve added that in, how lopsided it was, and how a majority of calls were questionable. However, you probably left it out because of the dislikes you’d get…. smart move.
Great video, but your titles a bit off. There's another fight that kicked off a longer, 4-cup dynasty. It happened March 26, 1997. ESPN made a documentary on it and the rivalry involved.
Still don't know how your teammate getting his ass handed to him would motivate your team, but the Penguins made it happen, so clearly I'm not that bright.
The pens compete for the best among almost any stretch you choose since 1990 unless you cherry pick small windows like the hawks in the early 2010’s. In this sport, they’ve come as close to being a dynasty as anyone in the modern era.
Wait...wtf....how the heck is this not the worst trade ever...M. Samsonov and. 3rd rounder for the 1st pick overall.....M.A. Fluery.....ahhhhhh...I'm a die hard hockey fan...and i didn't know this....but like wtf...this is by far the best steal...worst sell...biggest trade ever in hockey...and yes...more then W.G. WOW. I hate Pits. So much..yes I'm a flyers fan...but wow.....this is slow low and scumbaggery
