The most OVERRATED bands?? (Swans, RUN DMC, The Strokes...) 

Get that bread, Finn.

There's nothing overrated about Run DMC they introduced rap and hip-hop culture to the world it's not just music it's black culture those rock bands on your list didn't bring nothing new to the world Run DMC did

Kanye is terrible

Flying Nun's shoegaze 👟

BAD BRAINS... how could you. THE 1982 AND 1986 ALBUMS ARE AMAZING. And that makes up for their later filler.

i think its just not for Finn :) . If he does not like MBV, Sonic Youth,etc...its just different qualities/emotions/etc that people seek in music

@@jakubberan2720 I can agree with that. I just don't like people calling something terrible just because it isn't for them.

@@nickudeschini4812 but thats just how Finn operates, and thats why we are here. Sharp opinions that we can disagree with :)

Its definitely not his thing. Finn likes machine gun Kelly

I was never a big fan of the Postols. Always saw them as overrated but more recently I’ve grown to appreciate them more.

Spot on. The classic bands of the genre tend to eventually get a bad rep in punk circles because contrarianism is such a common trait within punk scenes (ie: not appreciating something if it's too well-known in mainstream circles). It's easy to forget just how impactful Nevermind The Bollocks was upon its release. When I talk people who were there upon its release, everyone says a similar thing: as if suddenly everything went from browns and yellows to full-on technicolor, both figuratively and literally. Changed everything. I get The Ramones are not everyone's cup of tea too, but it's a similar situation. The Ramones logo and legend has only became something of a popular/established thing since the early 2000s when the original members started dying and suddenly their music was given more respect in mainstream circles. For this reason, it's easy to forget that the Ramones were no where NEAR the fame and fortune that bands like KISS, Motley Crue, Aerosmith, AC/DC, etc. They were a dive band who rarely sold albums and needed to tour nonstop (in a VAN) in order to play music as a living. They are the ultimate working-class rock'n'roll band; groups like the Pistols and Ramones are revered for a reason, regardless how overrated they may seem today.

@@ggmusic3458 you just nailed it. Music that improves one’s life. I felt that in my chest reading it.

@@ggmusic3458 Totally agree about the Beatles. Deep diving into the Beatles history makes it evident quickly that what they did in such a short period of time is nothing short of shocking... specifically between 63 and 66. Every minute of the day was either writing, rehearsing, recording, acting, photoshoots or being interviewed. I remember reading that when they played Shea Stadium, they couldn't even hear one another, the screaming was so loud. Yet, you listen to the recording, and they're so tight! They could've been blind and deaf at that point and their songs still would've been perfectly in tune and on time. It's also like Lemmy once said: the Beatles were from Liverpool. The Stones were art school kids. Everyone thinks the Stones are the tough guys. The Beatles were the tough guys! lol

Very freaking true, the "true punks" are super trigger-happy on the "SELLOUTS" callout . I wasnt around by that time but i heard countless of interviews where the Ramones where being considered super commercial and "wtf is this pop shit" . i don't like the Sex Pistols but you HAVE to recognize their musical worth

Or some member of the fanbase was mean to you online.

Don’t even trip dog, fantano gave one of their albums a 10 so ur chillin 👍

Omg what a swans fan to write a dissertation about how swans is so good

And now this is a true music lover comment 💯

@@Justabigbeaver How is my comment about how good Swans are? I was just giving information on the band that could be useful.

I used to listen to Swans, but I had to be in a very particular type of mood.

Taylor Swift is way heavier than Infant Annihilator

Why would anyone listen to Taylor Swift when there is Dying Fetus?

⁠@@Im.not.racist_butTaylor Swift is way heavier than Dying Fetus

Gotta eat babies

Why would any anyone listen to Taylor Swift when there is Carnifex?

I honestly can compare listening to their music to watching paint dry. It's almost impossible for me to focus on it and pay attention to it without my mind wandering elsewhere.

@@user-dx1jb4zq9eit’s like goth music but distorted. Every goth band had long noise interludes and intros. Swans just happens to be more distorted

Also ignoring that they currently have the #64 album of all time on Rateyourmusic, which could almost make you think some people actually do like them.

I Against I is a masterpiece, too and Rise is also good, etc, etc, etc...

Bad Brains is the best band on this whole list.

Bad Brains will never leave my Playlist. TIMELESS. Love them. True pioneers of the genre bc how musicaly gifted they were compared to other punk bands of the era. Their later stuff isn't NEARLY as good but they cemented themselves with the 1982 and 1986 albums.

Listening to swans is like eating shit by the mouthful in the hopes of tasting corn eventually.

I'm proud of you for getting better ❤

Yes, he should definitely riiiiiise to the occasion.

No way he actually does this but it’s a cool anecdote

I could definitely hear the influence

"Na na" chants are a very obvious influence.

Interesting. Another artist/band i can think of who is inspired by Beach Boys is Never Shout Never

Well, if true, that explains plenty because I despise both.

Exactly

​@@FinnMckentyPRMBAno one's going to like ME because you successfully dissed run dmc 😳

Big Daddy Kane and EPMD changed the game in 1988 and 1989 with their albums. When Ain't no half steppin came out summer 88 that shit was alien. HARD.

Agree

I STILL AM OVER HIS DISRESPECT OF BAD BRAINS.

Bad Brains will never leave my Playlist. TIMELESS. Love them. True pioneers of the genre. Their later stuff isn't nearly as good but they cemented themselves with the 1982 and 1986 albums. I got the itch to listen to Re-ignition.

@@ohalistair Iggy and The Stooges 'I Got A Right' may be proto-hardcore. Not quite hardcore, but the closest thing in 1972. I think that's when it was recorded.

Bad Brains will never leave my Playlist. TIMELESS. Love them. True pioneers of the genre bc they were so good as instrumentalist at a time when punk wasn't skilled like that. Their later stuff isn't nearly as good but they cemented themselves with the 1981 and 1986 albums.

Germs were playing really fast stuff very early on as well. Germs are paleo-hardcore

@@TobiasC-mg4zk There was a lesser known group called Rhino 39 who played really fast too. They weren't really that good. Germs are better.

Many people say the same about the Beatles, esp early stuff.. think you really have to be from that era to truly get it

And Paul Cook's drumming 🍻

@@ghost_mallthat’s kinda what’s good about the album though. Its nice to hear the more loose and laid back song structures, really makes the album feel less uptight compared to their prior four albums (as great as most of them are). I don’t think it was them being lazy so much as them taking a different approach to writing and recording.

You know, if they weren't a bunch of nepo-kids pushed as the "saviors of rock" and "best of 2001", I wouldn't be so hostile... That said they are at best "the greatest band" noone can remember a single hit from. And let's be honest, that's overrating them. Ask average rock listeners to name a song by the Strokes. That's how "great" they are.

​@@Bam31415I completely disagree. I'd say most rock fans know reptilia and last nite. They aren't like the grateful dead where the logo is more famous than the band. Also yeah they were rich but that doesn't affect the quality of the music itself. They also inspired pretty much every semi mainstream rock band of the 2000s and early 2010s.

i know 15 taylor songs just from the radio alone i never listened to her albums before midnights

Mad respect for them for fusing rock, and they did it back from the get go. "Rock Box" still slaps after all these years. Also, Public Enemy is IMO the greatest rap act that ever did it.

could you point me in the right direction in uncovering The Beach Boys' invention of punk and emo? i've never heard this claim made before and am very intrigued by it

​@@pizzzaeater1425 Depends on what you're asking because there's multiple answers. If you mean alternative sound of punk, I'd say The Beach Boys Love You, which was basically a proto-punk album. IMO the album has several excellent songs, but the rest are misses. There's also Pet Sounds, which really innovated many non-typical instrument sounds in rock music, which opened the door for many sounds used in punk and emo. But I personally think the Surfin USA album in I think 1962 or 1963 was what really laid the foundation of punk and emo. It created the "california sound", which is that nasally and whiny sound which was never really used before. Even though the tune of Surfin USA is actually almost a carbon copy of Sweet Little Sixteen by Chuck Berry, it created a new sound for rebellious white youth, who otherwise weren't really listening to anything rebellious at the time and weren't exposed to the black artists at the time. The Ramones said that without Beach Boys, there wouldn't have been Ramones. Numerous punk bands covered, mentioned, or drew direct inspiration of Beach Boys' music. Rockaway Beach, I think the Descendants did a beach boys-inspired song, the Clash's disorted sounds, even bands like Agent Orange and the Dead Milkmen acknowledge Beach Boys. So in summary, give Surfin USA, Pet Sounds, and Beach Boys Love You a listen (they're all on youtube for free).

Blindboy Boatclub did a podcast on how one of The Beachboys being punched in the throat by Charlie Manson inadvertently led to the creating of Grunge. The episode was called Brendan Heaven, you can look it up, honestly worth a listen.

Yeah she’s right up there with MJ!

​@@FinnMckentyPRMBA She's huge but I'd disagree that she's as big as MJ. Also MJ came during the time when there's no internet. Nobody's gonna be as big as MJ ever again. He's 100× more popular WORLDWIDE & ALL DEMOGRAPHIC. That's why he's the king of pop.

Dudes she has a effing church of people drawn to her like a cult and will gladly hand her Saudi tier money for farting in a walkie talkie (just kidding) You will never replicate MJ because there are too many entertainment options now but she is as close as it gets.

Totally.

@@ghost_mall Finn is allowed to feel however he wants to feel. I religiously watch his content, so I guess I must be a supporter of this concept. However, he said in a past video that even though Screeching Weasel has influenced some of pop punk's biggest stars (Green Day and Blink 182), Ben Weasel is an asshole and therefore he couldn't put them any higher than tier F. Then in this video he gives crap to people who hating on the Sex Pistols just because they're assholes. How is that not hypocrisy?

The 70s punk sound is still being imitated by modern bands, no one is doing the Run DMC sound with any success.

Someone famous right now should try to copy Run DMC, it would be funny and could be considered ironically masterpiecio if done correctly, at least it would be an interesting experiment.

@ghost_mall 90s boom bap has aged very well. It's still being replicated by artists to this day, Run DMC is not being replicated. Rock literally has the same situation of historical context. Hair Metal has aged pretty poorly overall and outside of parody bands, it has no significant presence in modern music. I'm not even comparing hip hop to rock necessarily, the genre is irrelevant. The Sex Pistols sound still holds up, The Run DMC sound doesn't.

Very different musical issues are involved. There are current bands doing something close to the Pistols sound from the late 70s (a great one is Amyl and the Sniffers for example). Meanwhile hip hop lyrical and rapping technique as well as lyrical themes was still growing and getting more complex during the late 80s and so that is why Run DMC sounds so simplistic right now since it evolved very greatly afterwards with Rakim, Biggie, 2Pac, Nas, MF Doom and Kendrick as well as having other innovative takes such as mumble rap (Future, Young thug) while hip hop beats also grew more complex with late 80s innovations, Bomb Squad, 90s boom bap and jazz rap, Dilla and later with the omnipresent "trap" style of production. So punk makes almost a virtue in simplistic and direct sounds while hip hop was always a genre dependent on electronics (which evolves very fast) and which did something which was very innovative for all music vocalization which was rapping and so that is why early 80s rapping sounds "corny" and dated now while 70s punk not as much

@@ghost_mall Yeah bro, I'm not saying this because Finn said it but thanks for the charitable interpretation lol Aged poorly doesn't mean it's necessarily bad music, it's that the genre was so unique to the time and the evolution of a specific genre, that the artists style of music just doesn't translate into a modern format. I don't even necessarily dislike Run DMC, I like My Adidas, song is a banger but that style (along with the Beastie Boys) you can't do it unironically. Comedians have been making fun of 80s hip hop for awhile now, I can't believe you've never heard anyone lightly roast that style. Listen to Run DMC all day long, I don't care but I think outside of few songs, the music is very of it's time and as far as hip hop goes, Run DMC isn't even peaking my top 50 artists.

@@unbeatable617 i think its generally easier to like the band after the hype is no longer present ..i am guilty of that

I love their first album. Everything after that isn't quite as good, but with that said, they've still managed to write a good song here and there. They never totally fell off, imo.

Lyrically he isn't strong but I think it's the whole lore and personality of Kanye in his songs that carry his mid lyrics

I'm a Canadian, so luckily I've never had any issue with being a fan of the Ramones and Pistols without any bias (or for that matter, The Saints from Australia too). It definitely seems to be more of an American thing (same with Brits when it comes to the Ramones), but I also think it tends to be a universal "male between ages 16 and 30 who is desperate to portray themselves as the most punk among their friends and thinks he's revealing some deep obscure info about the truth of the Pistols when in reality, he's just a dupe of propaganda who fell for the same b.s. as many other dupes before him" thing too. Whenever I hear that opinion about the Pistols being a "manufactured boy band", I cringe. It's an immediate reveal of a person who doesn't know their history, but wants their friends to think he does.

It's that they were far better musicians than literally every other punk band at the time. They genre hopped long before it became common. Rock For Light holds up better than any other punk album that decade. Any.

I know it's been beaten to death, but it's the same thing as when a 20 something says they don't understand the hype around Nirvana. Which is somewhat fair now that it's been 30 years. But if you were alive at the time and into music, you understand why there was the hype for the Seattle bands. Or you may have been alive at the time and those were the bands that pulled you into music.

I love All Else Failed and still listen to them to this day. But I'll admit that if you never had the chance to see them live, it may be something you just can't get into. Felt the same way about early Dillinger.

Bad Brains will never leave my Playlist. TIMELESS. Love them. True pioneers of the genre. Their later stuff isn't nearly as good but they cemented themselves with the 1982 and 1986 albums. I got the itch to listen to Re-ignition.

It is the promotor's fault no one showed up.

@@cijntjekid bombs happen all the time and it’s not always contributed to whether or not the promoter promoted enough. Sometimes it’s just a bad market for that type of performer. At that time and probably still now. No one at all cared to see HR play in a reggae band. Now I might of thought it was cool or it was a cool idea for a show, but no one else did. Minus the five people

Ikr. He was right about Kanye though. So overrated. His Bad Brains hate passed me off though. They are Amazing... who cares of their stuff after I against I wasn't good.

@@Habeev07 haha that’s the same take that annoyed me.

Yes

​@@FinnMckentyPRMBAI laugh at the libs jokes and they hit a nerve because they know I'm in a bad mood. everytime

exactly lmfao. i love him but i find that he dislikes all my favorite bands- system of a down, megadeth, bad brains, etc while the stuff he does hype up is mgk, falling in reverse, etc. i don't trust his taste one bit 😭

Yes the NMTB album was really tight

You deserve to live life without Swans.

Finn is better when he analyses music trends and his own favourite genres: hardcore and metal. Beyond that I think Finn is very close minded who either only tends to like hardcore and metal shit to mosh to or sensationalistically be "extreme (that is when it is "exciting" to him) or else tends to praise very pop mainstream stuff (Taylor Swift, Ariana Grande, etc). He mostly hates indie because he holds stereotypes about so called "hipsters" and gentrification from the 2000s. That is how I suggest to approach his videos: for hardcore and metal go to him but expect some fixation on mallcore stuff from the 2000s, for any other rock or music really go somewhere else and for indie just avoid him completely because he seems to often be just ignorant about it as this "review" of Swans in this video showed.

Finn hates everything thats sounds indie or shoegazy :D

@@TheCivildecay Nothing quite like being half asleep and listening to a shoegaze album in full volume in a dark room. Finn doesn't know what he's missing.

@@soysaucehairdye7869 true. I love it

@@soysaucehairdye7869 i think Finn just does not listen to music in such a way ..thats why he will never like Sonic Youth, Shoegaze .... deep inside he is a pop guy - he needs melodies, hooks,... Nothing bad about it tho

@@jakubberan2720 He should give Cocteau Twins a try then. 'Lorelei' has to be one of the catchiest shoegazy songs of all time. The best male melodic shoegaze band has to be The Autumns in their first EP and their album 'The Angel Pool.' The singer sounds like Patrick Watson.

Oddly, while they gained immediately fame for swearing on live TV, the first example was something John Lydon said under his breath, and the rest was after being egged on to swear by the presenter (who never worked again). Their music was raw, but is was meant to be, but a lot of it had some decent writing. Sid was crap on the bass, but he only came in later. The others could all play to a decent level, although Jones wasn't as good as Glen Matlock or Paul Cook. The spitting was from the fans, rather than the band (all the punk bands hated it).

He doesnt like slow paced music it seems... its why he hates neurosis too

the reggae songs are cool too, and make the hardcore ones stand out in contrast

I appreciate the PMA reggae to breakup the tracks on albums. BB were the moat skilled musicians of that punk Era and went hard. Bad Brains will never leave my Playlist. TIMELESS. True pioneers of the genre. Their later stuff isn't nearly as good but they cemented themselves with the 1982 and 1986 albums.

Scott storch?????

Made the some mistake lol

Listen to the 'Loveless' album by MBV. It's a vibe.

@@ghost_mall The two more "alternative metal" albums from the 80s they released were great as albums and also innovative musically. I can see why some people might criticize the vocals (although HR has been praised as both influential and eclectic by other critics) but perhaps their early releases worked more as singles which was also the case with Minor Threat for example and also would have been benefited more by having better producers at a time where they, as accepted by Finn himself, were more or less inventing hardcore. For more contemporary "tough" hardcore fans their eclecticism and spirituality might be annoying (mixing hardcore with rasta reggae sounds and themes) but it is hard to think that things like straight edge and krishnacore would have existed at all without them and their influence is clear in a band like Turnstile which even wears Bad Brains shirts. By listening to Rock for light and the next two alternative metal albums you can understand all of hardcore´s history since they might be the center of all hardcore and summarize most of all of its main trajectories (making punk even faster in their begginings, delving into self improvement and spirituality with their rasta lyrics, adopting metal influences with the I againts I album, adding groove and even some hip hop influence mainly with the Quickness album and all of that just in the 80s). In the end they were just visionaries who had a lot of personality but that does not mean they will necessarely produce the most realized albums in a genre which they pioneered and which got more complex and diverse afterwards as well as more resources and a bigger scene to sustain it

Yeah, I'd never sit and listen to Sun0)))) in the house, but I have seen them every time they've passed through my city and will every time they do again. Would do that for Swans given a chance.

I'm sure that's true to an extent, but soundtracks for the blind is a fucking unmatched listening experience, I never have time to sit through the whole thing, but when I do, it's punishing and captivating front to back

Bad Brains will never leave my Playlist. TIMELESS. Love them. True pioneers of the genre bc how musicaly gifted they were compared to other punk bands of the era. Their later stuff isn't NEARLY as good but they cemented themselves with the 1982 and 1986 albums.

They are all my legitimate opinions

Whats even worse is the just as if not more ignorant chat💀 “this is just ministry” “I can hear the trent reznor” “Dude… The drums being out of tune… Oof”

3 minutes between chord changes=massively important💀😴😴

The smugness of this comment is hilarious

@@trtorbelfort bro has not listened to helpless child. Its not about the chords its about the build up

@@chriseternalife its true though, he listened to inaccessible point in their career and didn’t like it which was to be expected. You literally cannot judge band that massive from one song, its not fair at all, they did everything from noise rock, to goth, to even folk and had a huge influence on just about every rock or metal band

Agree

Same with Dre.

@@HappinessDIY For sure, although 'The Chronic' was fantastic.