Its success is quite expectable. The Outremer 55 is not just a fast boat but it's also provide such a high level of comfort. The island in the kitchen is just so brilliant that it combines a lot of functions together. I wouldn't be surprised if more high-end cat-manufacturers copy it in the future.
It's a balance 526 copy through and through, but since that cat was such a game changer it seems like every brand will copy that design from now on, which is good for the consumer
@@datAero the only similarity is the vers helm, and even then the outremer has 2 helm stations either side while balance only has 1. Vers helm stations were not seen on balance first, they have been around on custom cats for years and years just like forward cockpit helm thats now found on kinetic, gunboat, broadblue rapier, marvin & menelli, chris white who is under the delusional impression that he did it first some 10 years ago while David de Villiers has designed a boat with that layout that has sailed across the world twice before chris even penned anything. Also the outremer looks much prettier while the balance look like it was literally assembled by left over scrap parts from all the south african cat builders.
Outremer has no appeal with these oversized vessels with an insane delivery time, expect to wait 4-5 years from purchase. I would rather go with a Nautitech 44 or 46 with just a slight performance/comfort reduction but with much better pricing.
8:22 Nice Vripack Doggersbank 66 Offshore Yacht in the background (blue hull) Thank You for the in-depth action video. Modern lines, spacious interior. Nice Cat!
@@waterboy8999 why would you do that instead of slowing down? Especially on a boat that can outrun the storm so you have no reason to get caught in a weather system even if it’s coming towards you if you don’t want to?
there was no partnership at all between LV and outremer. Riley and Elayna paid full price for that boat which they are now selling. this probably factored in hugely as to why they didn't upgrade with outremer. simply put, the french won't deal on their boats to YT'ers. the value proposition with outremer and other french makes to the consumer market is non-existent. there are much better boats out there for a lot less $'s.
It's true that they paid for LV2. From what Reilly has said, they negotiated a good price with Outremer but no more than that. What the company did was handle the financing in-house otherwise they could not have bought the boat. It was a great move by the company and its paid dividends. Outremer had been seen as performance but not comfortable. LV changed all that and they've sold a lot of hulls because of the deal.
i quite disagree, the lack of space and SVLV way of living on their 45 made zero sense and made me realize that i would rather steer clear of outremer, especially considering the french are supposedly design masters, that's until the 55 and cat great circle changed the whole perspective for the better. (also doesn't help that SVLV are moving onto a new boat soonish)
@@pred7949, i completely agree with you. the value proposition with outremer is poor, at best. SLV spent a LOT of money on their outremer probably thinking that it would suit them for many years, yet here they are pedaling that boat for a race boat from a different manufacturer. i can't quite figure the race boat thing out, but trust they are making good decisions for themselves. yeah, the french boats... if you're buying one, you must have deep pockets and don't care about cost.
Great video, remembering what it was like from our circumnavigation in the 1980s, presently cruising the Bahamas. My wife's book is a good read, published by Austin Macauley of New York, literally a fictional story of sailing and adventure: "Seychelle and the Cannabis Yachties". It is very entertaining, hoping you will give it a read.
Great video Toby, always nice to see you and the boat sailing. Did no one like the tiller steering chair?, I kinda liked it. But the option, with the bench seat, that "standing seat" & the safe cabin steering. Is the way to go 👍🏼
Thanks Armed. And yes, I still love the tiller steering and bucket seats.... for quick fun periods on the helm. For ocean sailing the ability to steer from a protected/variety of positions would come into its own. Best, Toby
Agree. Quite spiffy! Well thought out. Sometimes I feel like the helmsman-cockpit areas of even cruising boats are the least creative and imaginative areas of otherwise great boats. I really liked the originality here…
@@yachtingworld I would like your thoughts as to why so many great boats simply don’t take it to this level - especially in long distance blue water cruising or racing yachts. Sometimes I think that a little less cramped space, a foot lock, and a well placed winch - is as far as most manufacturers think of taking it. This manufacturer shows that in fact more CAN be done…
@2:48 The Lagoon 55 & the Outremer 55 - the two most popular Catamarans today (per Yachting World Lagoon hasn’t started full production yet on the 55 but 50 of them have already been ordered).
@@adammallerman8153 I wasn’t comparing them I was just stating that the two best selling large catamarans today are both sailing next to each other & considering one of them isn’t in full production yet is incredible.
Question from a newbie: is there any reason why manufacturers don’t install quality cameras on all the corners of the vessel so everything could be monitored at a glance on the 4k screen?
I have had the pleasure to make two crossings on an Outremer 51. What a fantastic machine! These boats so outshine most boats in their class. To compare the Outremer with any other of the commercially available cats is truly unfair- these boats are amazing ocean crossers.
@@yachtingworld This is my 'show business' name btw. Tragically, my show business career never managed to get off the ground. Still a mystery to me to this day.
Just seen this so not sure if anybody still responds but in case they do, here is a long question. Any sail boat doing 12-15 knots requires attention from the crew, at those speeds things can go wrong quickly even in benign conditions, most bluewater sailors steer by autopilot for long parts of the day especially when short handing. The temptation with a boat like this would be to passage plan at 10 knots or more and expect to achieve it; what is the safe maximum speed to assume with minimal crew intervention ie under auto pilot and are there safety devices that for example will dump the traveler if the angle of heal exceeds X.
Yes I think you could passage plan at 10 knots on this. And yes, the system a lot of racing multihull sailors use is called UpsideUp - and can dump the main, traveller, headsail sheet etc at given heel angles/loads
@@yachtingworld Thanks for the reply, I am not a bluewater sailor but I have chartered a FP 40 20 years ago which was a revelation compared to the monohulls I had sailed prior to that. We did try to get one of the hulls out of the water but could only do this with the assistance of waves and we hit a maximum boat speed of about 12 knots on a reach. I had never heard of Upside Up but have just googled it and it looks good but its in the range of £12K. I don't know enough about cats to know whether a FP40 at 12 knots is inherently more or less stable than an Outremer 57 or a Gunboat at 15-17 knots; but I would be interested to read articles that discussed this and similar issues on monohulls. Upside Up is also specified for monohulls and I can see why; Code zeros have revolutionised light airs sailing for me but are a concern with sudden squalls especially as I only sail as a couple these days or with older/ novice guests. So long way round but I would welcome an article or series of articles on how to sail cruising boats fast but safely . Regards Steve
Do something about that sound already. Most of your videos have this problem. Strange problem, considering that other marine videos have normal sound, despite being also on a boat and in the wind.
Layout of the catamarans are really appealing compared to in-cave living in most monohulls, but that flap-flap sailing and blue water safety are issues...
@@bernardlanguillier7970 As a design engineer, I have experience with both. It's a Renault vs Mercedes comparison imHo. Their finish may be great, but the inherent structural and component quality standards are questionable at best, considering the price tag. We'll see within the next decade or so, what the resale value of the two are, by comparison. The market may be slow to realize build quality, but it its not stupid. Just compare how robust the steering gear is between the two. It perfectly illustrates the point. Why does La Vaga want to sell so soon? Light cats get thrown around in rough seas, even more than heavier boats and the forces between the hulls are far higher, especially when one considers the higher speeds. Are the Lagoon bhead issues forgivable by those lost at sea? One doesn't mess with the Ocean and there is such a thing as a minimum.
With the wheel outboard, it appears the helmsman's head is higher than the boom. You are going to stand on watch during a 20 day passage? The interior looks rather small for a 55 footer. This boat sails well though. Can't argue with that.
I'm a total sailing noob (well, I did spend much of my youth out on our lakes on my dinghy) and I'm interested in this fast sailing multihull category: Which is faster, these or Neel trimarans? Is the 'sportiness' of both in terms of rigging and overall philosophy similar? I guess for someone who appreciates more cabins than 4 then Outremer's philosophy is not exactly what I'm looking for...but is there a big difference in speed or does Outremer's more uncompromising sportiness end up with similar speed to Neel's trimaran configuration?
@@yachtingworld I appreciate your response to this question. I guess it would matter or come into play where and for how long you’d be out on either boat.
Perhaps, but benefit of reduced glare to interior while having surround views and the opening windows for ventilation would more than offset that for cruising?
I am actively seeking sponsors to help me acquire one of these vessels. Landlocked my entire life. For the first time in my life at this very late age I only have to do for myself. I want to cross an ocean. Swim at the equator. See the islands scattered across the South Pacific. I only have a few short years left.
They are beautiful but could be better. If the headsails we're keeled and the main was keeled relative to the sail area with blades she would sail faster with more secure rudder control. 2 to one or better for seaworthy rudder control and normal sail power.
Don't really want big money for much. Don't want a huge house. Don't need a Lambo, or to flex a Rolex. But it sure would be fun to sail a fast cat on a long long cruise.
@@astyachts Many thanks for the answer. I meant the sailboat in the background. I probably didn't express myself properly, sorry. But congratulations on this great dinghy
It would be really nice to sit down and have a chat with Toby sometime and pick his brain. I wonder; which would he choose between this Outremer 55 or the Rapido 50 ... *(for blue water liveaboard)
Can't stop progress, if I had the money I'd have A beautiful Wooden yacht Built I n Australia or New Zealand, there craftsmanship is 1ST. class. You may I'm kinda old Fashioned see I Grew up With wooden sailing Boats, Some was as old as 50 - 75 almost 100 years when I check the age on Lloyd's Registrar. Every now and and again I spot and old Wooden yacht. If you Take care of your boat it Will TAKE Care of you. ☮️.
Oh for crying out loud! Just say how many they built!!!! If I have to wait till 2025, it might mean they have 3 orders and facilities to only build 2 a year.
My fam is in the cue, building starts this year! We are looking for the right partner just incase anyone comes across this and wants to pass along the mesage!
3:55 Ugly chop? That's a regular day on a midsized lake. Be serious. Also, for a CRUISER, not a RACER, with a price tag of Euro 1.5 million, why are the helm stations completely exposed? For that price, shouldn't the dodgers, biminis and curtains be included? That is an issue of mine on most sailboats, regardless of the number of hulls. And, I do not want to hear any nonsense about how the wheels tilt down into the cockpit. The helmsman is still exposed to the weather without biminis dodgers and curtains and needs to access the winches on the cabin top. Additionally, the helmsman's view from the cockpit is very limited, especially at night, in spite of your opinion at 6:11. Of course, the boat has radar and fortunately for sailors everywhere electrical/electronic systems never fail on a sailboat, especially when you need them. And speaking of sailing at night, if the boat is going downwind in robust conditions and the helmsman is down in the cockpit and the glass sliders to the main salon are closed, can the helmsman see through the glass sliders and through the forward cabin ports if any lights inside the saloon are illuminated? No glare? Did you test that? Bet not. So, the better, safer, useable option would be to make the exterior helm stations robust, weather and temperature tight because, that is where you want to steer this boat. A 55 foot long cat is big and wide for a personal boat, but it is not big and wide in terms of the ocean, wind and waves and things. So why are the cabinet and countertop corners quite pointy? 7:06 Wait a minute. This being a fast family cruiser and all, but not a six adult male crewed racing boat, do you seriously expect my 16 year old daughter (or me or my wife) to spend the majority of our watches standing at the helm stations, because there are no seats? This is cruising? And, those benches are not helm seats. They are outboard stern seats. 4:05 & 8:29 Wait a second minute. What is the clearance of the boom over the bimini/cabin top? It looks to me about 18 to 20 inches. So, apparently there is insufficient clearance to install a dodger and bimini over the helm stations. Does this boat come with football helmets for the people at the helms? Ok, perhaps I have misidentified the boat. It is a racer, not a cruiser. Sorry.
Many of your points are addressed on the video we did on the smaller sister Outremer 52, including what it's like to sail from the cockpit, with bimini protection rigged, at night, helm seat comfort etc. Definitely a cruising yacht not a racer - even if this particular 55 is spec'd for high performance
New? Not many options at that price. Maybe a Seawind 1260 if you can get one (41ft). Otherwise you're looking at around 42-45ft from the big production yards (Lagoon, FP, Leopard, Nautitech, Excess etc). Or go second hand
Agreed, and with apologies - It's one of those things you don't know is going to happen until you get back ashore and download the footage unfortunately
@@yachtingworld No I meant it's a shame the boat uses it. Isn't dc dimming a standard these days? I am sensitive with screens that have low flicker frequencie
An American sailing familly have had one of these and sailed the world in it .... Its a red hull ..i cannot remember their channel name but they've had to stop as hes recently got the job as their CEO. Or Sales Officer 🙂
A beautiful but flawed design. If the pontoon was wider and deeper between the mast and forestay. The leeward pontoon would not dunk and wash. The sails would have better keeling and bow would have better displacement.
I disagree, it's a owner choice to have all the extra packages on sail trim. the lines in the front are for the "nice weather" sails (big genoa, code, asym), so no problem having them out of the coachroof. the lines on the roof are for the 3D trim, and even as a casual racer, it's really usefull so again : owner choice
Seawind buyers are waiting 3 years for their boats and the sell quickly on the used market and their are over a thousand Gemini catamarans so I dispute your claim that the outremer is the most successful
He did say "high end performance blue water cruisering" and I'm guessing Outremer's production capacity is greater than Seawind... either way they're really successful.
@Tom Riley It is. Like Seawind has 84 orders, for the same cat, as Ruby Rose has bought. Their production was setup to build 6 cats the first year, then 12 cats a year. But they are trying to get more people + factory space. So if you have ordered hull nr 59, you won't know when you get the boat. Got the info from an interview between multihull central and Shane, from Seawind.
