The Most Toxic Area of these Fandoms PART 1: The Spider Man Fandom

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Here, I talk about what I think is the most TOXIC Area of the Spider-Man Fandom.
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@senior_sakuga 19 дней назад

My faves other than Tobey or Hobie is MTV Spider-Man. The Y2K aesthetic hits me right. And The only version that felt so brutally sincere even if the animation has aged a ton NPH is a goated spidey VA and I miss hearing him as Peter lol

@seanking8427 12 дней назад

18:09 I wish that the Ultimate Spider-Man TV Series was fully accurate to the 1610 Ultimate Comics but I will confess that I do love Mary Jane Watson in the Show.

@sodium285 12 дней назад

Agreed.

@TheLoginProductions 20 дней назад

In relation to the video above, I have a few questions I would like to ask. Before I get to them however, let me share my thoughts on said video first. I must admit that I enjoyed most of it. I didn't exactly know what it was going to be like going into it, however I now see that it kind of serves as a spiritual sequel to the "Spectacular Spider-Man" series critique video. I even saw some of my statements (that weren't mentioned in the first video) be mentioned in the video above. Though the maker of the video above said he had no intentions of revisiting the topic again, I'm glad he changed his mind. Even if it was only by a technicality. With that said, let me mention one thing that I didn't like about the video above. I've never been interested in (let along liked) "Internet culture" or it's slang terms. So though I kind of know what you mean, calling such things "toxic" in this context, dose feel a little bold. Are there bad people out there that are fans of things, without a doubt. However, I don't exactly see it as equivalent to something like an abusive relationship or literal poison. The thing about mean people online, is you can just walk away from the screen. As for offline interactions with mean people, as long as they don't get physical and fallow you, you again can just walk away. What I'm saying is, though I do agree that there are people with bad behavior out there, I think it's a little bold to brand an entire group of people as being "toxic" in this context. I understand why, but still. Now on to my questions. #1. In the video above, Sodium said that he believed the entire Sam Raimi Spider-Man fanbase, was in itself "toxic". Though I've seen some mean people who were fans of it. I always thought they were the minority in the number of those fans. So, what makes you think the majority of Sam Raimi Spider-Man fans are "toxic" people? #2. I'm genuinely curious, why do you (Sodium) consider Pokemon as a "Superhero" franchise? #3. Keeping my last question in mind, why do you (Sodium) also consider Mario, "Legend of Zelda", and so on to be "Superhero" franchises as well? Mario I kind of understand (considering he can technically get super powers), but why "Legend of Zelda"? It's fantasy to be sure, but I wouldn't say "Superhero". #4. If you consider "Legend of Zelda" to be a "Superhero" franchise, then do you feel the same for King Arthor? #5. If entertainment with "super powers" is all it takes for Sodium to consider something a "Superhero" franchise, then what about "The Hobbit", "Alice in Wonderland", "The Goonies", Hercules (or Heracleas to the Greeks), and so on? I ask these questions, because I'm truly curious to the mindset behind the statements made in the video above. At least in my experience, I would say it takes more than just powers and good deeds to make someone a "Superhero". For the record, this is nothing against people like Mario. I'm just saying I wonder why Sodium came to the conclusions he did? Lastly, I want to go over this point. Because Sodium briefly mentioned "Star Wars" in the video above. I thought I would address that point for a moment. To be fair, there is a lot of in fighting amounts those fans. In their slight defense however, they are very much a divided house. The way I see it, they have been broken up into four categories. One, people who only like the original three films. Two, people who only like the "expanded universe" of "Star Wars". Like tie in books, games, and so on. Three, people who only like "Star Wars" after Bob and company took it over. Four, last but not least, people who only like what George Lucas directly did. Which would count most of the "expanded universe", Episodes one though six, and so on. Of course there are those who are in between, but that's basically it. I mention this because, as a fan of "Star Wars" myself, I believe the "bad eggs" don't all exist in every category I mentioned. At least in my experience, I've found the original Trilogy and "Disney Star Wars" fans to be the most aggressive. Not to say they're all bad, but most of them are troublemakers.

@sodium285 20 дней назад

Firstly, Thank you for your feedback. It's most appreciated. Admittedly, maybe I should have mentioned that NOT EVERY SINGLE Spectacular Spider-Man Fan is Toxic, and maybe I did go a bit too far by using the word "Toxic". For your first question. Maybe I should've mentioned for all Troublesome Fandoms that it's a VERY LOUD minority that are everywhere. For your next few questions, obviously, the criteria for what qualifies as a superhero franchise differs from one person to another. I guess I've found Superhero Tropes in Franchises like Pokémon, Super Mario, Star Fox and Zelda (All Franchises I'm a fan of, especially Pokémon and Star Fox). Same with Ninja Turtles, Percy Jackson and Sonic the Hedgehog. Plus, I did find an Ultimate Superhero Movie Tier List that included the Sonic the Hedgehog and Mario Movies, as well as (of course) DC and Marvel Movies, Ninja Turtles and Power Rangers Movies. So I thought I'd qualify Pokemon, Star Fox and Zelda since I do see Superhero Tropes in them too, as well as the fact they are of Nintendo like Mario (again, my personal opinion). I can understand what you're saying about Hercules, The Hobbit and other franchises though. Plus, if I was a fan of Star Wars, Transformers and Star Trek, or could get into them, I think I would qualify them for my Superhero Movie Ranking because they do have Superhero Tropes. I guess I'm just focusing on the franchises I am a fan of. Like I said, I think we all have our own individual criterias for what qualifies as a Superhero Franchise, and all these differing criterias from one person to another are fine. You don't have to share the same criteria I do.

@Skrill99 20 дней назад

@@sodium285 So wait, is your criteria that they have superhero tropes in it?

@sodium285 20 дней назад

@@Skrill99 If I notice any I guess. But that's just me.

@TheLoginProductions 20 дней назад

@@sodium285 Though I get what you are saying, I do think this point should be addressed. Personal preference is one thing, however official terms are another. Let me give you an example, someone who piolets a ship, is called a Captain. That's not opinion, that's the technical and official term. With that said, not everyone who piolets something is called a Captain. Someone just driving their car isn't called a Captain (Even if they want to call themselves one, that doesn't change this fact.), people who fly Planes aren't called Captains (they in fact have their own title called simply Piolet), people who drive Trains aren't called Captains (They also have their own name, Conductor.), and so on. I'm saying this because, there should be a distinction between opinions, and objectively categorizing something. If not, then such terms no longer mean anything if they can mean whatever anyone wants them to mean. At the end of the day, it's your life. Whatever you do is your choice, I can only advice you. However, if you are going to try and categorize something, I believe there should be a more clear rule set placed in the planning of it. These technical terms and official categorization systems exist for a reason. So opinion aside, there should be a clear, unbiased system put into place if you're to make some form of structured categorization.

@sodium285 20 дней назад

@@TheLoginProductions Thanks for the Advice. Maybe I'll Change the Ranking Name to "Movies of my Favourite Franchises RANKED" when I eventually get there.

@seanking8427 19 дней назад

I wish Spectacular never came out! Especially with people disrespecting my opinion and the fact that it’s a Sony show.

@zombiemomsen66 17 дней назад

@seanking8427 Strange and not exactly solid reason but ok...

@demon_warrior870 12 дней назад

I will say this for me, I hate the spiderman fandom they can't make up their minds on who to bully or criticize anyone that enjoys a version they don't like for me ultimate spider-man cartoon along with the mcu are cool interpretation's and I love how different they both are. I love the amazing spider-man one that film is great along with that I enjoy the spider-verse films and i hate how the fandom treats miles morales because I hate how they treat him. I love the rami spiderman films, the first two because the third film is terrible in my own opinion.

@demon_warrior870 12 дней назад

Also for me the spider-man ninty four is how I got into spider-man media. It's a great cartoon I have issues with one arc, but beyond that series is peak superhero content.

@zombiemomsen66 20 дней назад

6:20 To each thier own but...wow lmao.

@whitespider584 19 дней назад

But… but… I love the spectacular spiderman show. 😭

@sodium285 19 дней назад

@@whitespider584 Good for you 👍.

@whitespider584 17 дней назад

@@sodium285 Great video though. Just stumbled across you and would love to see more like this.

@sodium285 17 дней назад

@@whitespider584 I've just released two videos like this one. One on the Sonic the Hedgehog fandom, and another on the MCU fandom. I'm glad you enjoyed my video, BTW. You're definitely a respectful fan.

@whitespider584 17 дней назад

@@sodium285 Of course man. Being completely honest, I hate the nostalgia stuff people always talk about. People are shitting on Fantastic Four first steps and it hasn’t even come out yet. They all think that just because they didn’t grow up with it that it’s garbage and no one else’s opinion matters. And that’s blatantly bullshit.

@sodium285 17 дней назад

@@whitespider584 Can't believe people are not giving it a fair chance. I honestly really want to like the new Fantastic Four Movie, especially since the Fantastic Four are one of my favourite Superhero Teams. If First Steps ends up being disappointing in a way, then there's nothing I can do, but I'm personally looking forward to it, and I don't see how it can be worse than Fant4stic or the 1994 FF movie, which rank for me in the Top 10 WORST Comic Book Movies Ever Made. I'm giving it a fair chance.

@Forty3Snakes 21 день назад

Whats not toxic about you?

@Spidergod1128-fd9dc 19 дней назад

@dupersuper6516 7 дней назад

It's a toxic video cultivating over corrected toxic reactions. The internet really blows it sometimes

@themanofmovies8104 20 дней назад

The fact that it's used as a cudgel against other versions of Spider-Man is why I'll never for the life of me watch spectacular Spider-Man. I kinda have the same thing towards the raimi trilogy but not really as I did grow up loving those movies and stuff on my own, plus it is a favorite of me and my buddies to watch so I don't have as sour of feelings on it as I do spectacular

@sodium285 20 дней назад

I don't blame you. It's fine if people don't like the same versions of Spider-Man I do, but it's not okay when comparing other adaptions, acting as if one is more accurate than the other. It's why in my video explaining why I don't like Spectacular, the only thing I compared it to, whenever I did, were the Original Amazing Spider-Man Comics, Specifically Stan Lee's Run, because that was the original version of Spider-Man.

@TheLoginProductions 20 дней назад

Though I personally hate the "Specular Spider-Man" series, who is to say how you might feel about it after seeing it. For the record, I'm not entirely recommending the series. However (though it pains me to admit it), it might be interesting to have someone like you review the series. You could go into the series fresh to make a definitive, unbiased, and objective review of it. There by giving proof to anyone who grew up with it, that it may not hold up without "Rose Tinted Glasses" on. Plus, though I normally hate people who make videos of them reacting to something, you could always do that as well. If nothing else, that might be interesting to see. If you end up liking it, then you can at least say that you came to that conclusion yourself. If you don't like it, then you could stick it to biased fans of it with objective proof. Either way, it's a win, win situation. At the end of the day though, it's your call. I wouldn't want to try to force you into doing anything you wouldn't want to do. So, maybe think it over and see what you might want to do.

@Deity_devil 20 дней назад

Don’t let fans ruin ur enjoyment of media

@zombiemomsen66 20 дней назад

@TheLoginProductions You hate it...? Why tho?

@zombiemomsen66 20 дней назад

@@Deity_devil Exactly. It's worth watching

@seanking8427 21 день назад

I really hate Spectacular Spider-Man Show back in 2008 and wish it never came out

@sodium285 21 день назад

Same. And the Fandom has become even more toxic because of Spectacular.

@BlindRobotDragon 21 день назад

@@sodium285 There were parts of Spectacular that were alright, but ultimately, for me at least, and others as well based on comments I've read on this and other videos of yours, it just didn't hold up. If people like Spectacular, honestly I couldn't care less; I don't agree with their position, but I have far more important things to worry about than the fact that people prefer a different Spider-Man show than the one I call my favorite. For me, I seriously doubt anything will ever take the place of Spider-Man TAS. I know it's not perfect, it has pacing issues sometimes, and the dialog can be more than a little bit clunky and awkward and doesn't always stick the landing. All of that notwithstanding, I grew up with it, and it will always be special to me. There are people who like Spectacular, Ultimate or maybe even Unlimited for their own set of reasons, and unlike many Spidey fans, I'm perfectly fine with that. I don't agree, but I say live and let live. Or, to quote an old figure of speech older than I am, "different strokes for different folks." Everyone has the right to their own personal preferences, after all. Sadly, while I'm sure there are Spectacular fans who respect other fans' points of view, in my experience a large number of them can't get it through their thick heads that not everybody is going to view their favorite Spider-Man TV show the same way they do, and that different sections of the fandom have different preferences for different reasons, and there's absolutely nothing whatsoever wrong with that. It's perfectly alright to have an opinion and stick to it no matter what, but attacking people because they feel differently is completely unacceptable under any circumstances. That's the way I see it, and while many fans' attitudes disappoint me, I'm glad to know that there are at least some out there who feel the same and see no need to bash people for having divergent opinions.

@sodium285 21 день назад

@@BlindRobotDragon Perfectly Said. 💯💯. It's perfectly fine for people to like Spectacular, even though I don't. As long as people are respectful to those who think differently. Spectacular was just one of those versions of Spider-Man, like ITSV and ATSV, that just wasn't for me. Which is okay, because there as plenty of other versions of Spider-Man I like/love, like Spider-Man TAS, and all of the Live-Action Movies of Tobey, Andrew and Tom, are good to watch in their own right too.

@BlindRobotDragon 21 день назад

@@sodium285 I got quite a ways through Ultimate Spider-Man but didn't finish it. I think I'd just gotten a little burned out, though I would like to go back and watch the whole show from start to finish someday, just to say that I did it. The same goes for all the other Spider-Man series out there that I haven't watched or finished yet, including the MCU show that's apparently in development. When that show releases, I intend to at least give it a shot. Spidey is my personal favorite superhero, so I like to check out all media that I can. I was unaware of Spider-Man: Lotus until this video. Part of me wants to check it out and judge it for myself, though I'm not thrilled about what I read concerning the director and the main actor. Apparently they made racist/ableist comments that got leaked out over the internet, and I don't condone that sort of nonsense. I don't believe that any ethnicity is any better or worse than any other, and being a totally blind person, attacking people with disabilities is especially wrong to me. I'd like to think I'd feel that way even if I had perfect eyesight, but since I don't, that hits home in a different way.

@TheLoginProductions 21 день назад

@@BlindRobotDragon "Sadly, while I'm sure there are Spectacular fans who respect other fans' points of view, in my experience a large number of them can't get it through their thick heads that not everybody is going to view their favorite Spider-Man TV show the same way they do, and that different sections of the fandom have different preferences for different reasons, and there's absolutely nothing whatsoever wrong with that. It's perfectly alright to have an opinion and stick to it no matter what, but attacking people because they feel differently is completely unacceptable under any circumstances." That goes double for the 90's animated Batman series as well.