The Name Has to be Windsor | The Crown (Claire Foy, Matt Smith) 

Well they are cousins through King Christian IX of Denmark

exactly, Philip Targaryen would've never married Elizabeth since she wasn't his sister

​@@ericb4512no she was his cousin, so close enough maybe?

Agreed. She really honed in on being a young inexperienced queen who loved a prince that cheated on her

​@@_adrian_seanThere isn't any empirical evidence that he cheated. Moreover, the show plays up the drama between the couple quite a bit.

​@armednottriggered5446 Do you know what the word "empirical" means? Your comment suggests you don't...

Agreed.

Yeah this was the apex of the show

Agreed. Although I felt Tobias Menzies vocally sounded more like Phillip.

I'm so glad this is the confirmed season Prince Harry actually watched. Cuz it was so good

Matt was good but Claire was a total standout as ERII

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watching him in this role I understand why they casted him as Daemon in HotD , perfect casting

Yeah, when people kept mentioning that he wouldn't make a good Daemon I found that very hard to believe, since this was probably my introduction to him. He's like the perfect guy to play Daemon.

Elizabeth didn't lose it..she wasn't even born when the House name changed to Windsor.

It's annoying to see people spewing complete nonsense being so high in the comments

@@CatroiOz oh?

@@user-ti5cw1ug6l how can she have lost something she never had ? The name change occured long before her birth

@@CatroiOz Fair but her family's house name was changed for a similar reason.

The Royal family WAS German - Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld. Queen Victoria changed everything to "Windsor" to be more English and not offend anyone. It is British arrogance to be unwilling to admit that their ruler is in fact, not British!

There was also the problematic issue of Phillips uncle, Dickie Mountbatten. Not only was the name and uncomfortable reminder of the family’s German ties, But the rabidly ambitious earl Mountbatten was in his person an uncomfortable reminder of the precipitous decline of the British empire. Most in Britain held him personally responsible for the loss of India to the Crown. He was a tireless self promoter and a Mountbatten dynastic name would have suited him down to the ground. Before the young queen proved her mettle, There were fears that earl Mountbatten proposed to rule by influencing his nephew Who in turn would make Elizabeth his puppet. Both Mountbatten men were charismatic and pushy. Even though Elizabeth was besotted with her charismatic often overbearing husband, she proved herself the match of the Mountbattens and the old men in the cabinet. Dickie got his way in the end though when the Mountbatten with the hyphen was eventually added to the dynastic name, Coming first yet.

Fuckin wrote a novel huh

Pretty hilarious that Mary of TECK had a problem with Germans, considering she was one

Cool story, bro

This killed me.

Oldenburg-Glucksbourg is Philip's real paternal name. Ironic

Currently the former queen of Denmark.

If men are going to marry a Queen Regnant or future Queen they should understand this. If not move along.

​@@misscatalina711except that it has never been like that before suddenly it became the norm 50 years ago. You can't change a system that has lasted throughout the millennia and expect everyone to be fine with it.

@@CatroiOz Except the men like Phillip and Margarethe's husband Henrik weren't raised and married millenia ago. They were men of the 20th century. Hell Margarethe and Henrik were married in 1967 for christ sake, FAR too late in history for him to be whining about a Queen Regnant not taking a Prince Consort's family name. There hadn't been a precedent for that many many decades.

Yeah, he’s great in House of the Dragon too

@@robertpalatsky5017 Everytime Daemon is in the room,He commands your attention.

I agree apart from Doctor Who. David Tennant and Christopher Eccelstone were so much more compelling. He was too silly and didn’t convey any menace. House of the Dragon is a different story though. So I suspect bad writing and direction for his stint as Dr Who. Can’t be blamed for that

​@@MrAndy71717that's a fair claim for his DWho stint overall but there are definitely a handful of instances where his more sinister side/range made an appearance

@@SSJPENGUIN moments yes. And that has developed.

They didn’t go through a lot of effort, they literally CHOSE to change it from Saxburg-Goetha to appease the anti German sentiment.

Had the timing been even slightly different, the house name would have changed to Mountbatten. The two people most opposed were Churchill and Queen Mary. Queen Mary died roughly a year or so after Elizabeth ascended to the throne. Churchill was fighting to stay in power as leader of the conservatives and PM. It’s realistic to believe had Elizabeth come to the throne just a year or so later, both Queen Mary and Churchill would have been gone, and it’s unlikely Eden would have fought the name change. Churchill opposed the name change for one big reason: he blamed Lord Mountbatten for giving away India and he was not going to give him anything. Queen Mary opposed the name change because her husband, George V, was the one who had changed the name to Windsor.

They'd already changed the name from Battenburg to not sound so German during the War, and Windsor was tagged on a century before for the same reason. Brits not wanting to admit that their monarchs are not really British, but from the center of Europe.

@@JuricksEnterprisethey didn’t change it a century before but in the same period (WW1) as Philip’s German grandfather angliziced his name from Battenberg to Mountbatten and EII’s grandfather changed his from SaxeCoburg Gotha to Windsor. Btw Mountbatten is also his mother’s name, not his father’s.

They kinda didn’t fully get rid of it, don’t Prince Harry’s kids have the last name Mountbatten-Windsor? I believe they just didn’t carry Mountbatten through to the reining monarch or drop Windsor altogether. Kind of a compromise.

Except the fact that he was forced to give up his father's name in order to marry Elizabeth. In any case, that was a choice he made for himself as an adult. Very different from getting robbed from a chance to give your name to your kids.

​. A name he only took 6 years before.

Hey those flying lessons came in very handy...

It would have tbh its just the war changed things

He married the crown Princess. And it would have gone a lot of ways, if the cabinet didn't breathe down their necks for every single thing.

When he married her, it was almost certain she'd be Queen, and he knew that. Her mother was 47, and not likely to have more children, so unless George VI was widowed and remarried, there would be no sons to take her place. They married in 1947 - he must have been aware of anti-German sentiment. I'm kind of surprised this wasn't discussed in detail and officially before the wedding.

Yeah, but the name thing is without precedent. Henry I is considered the last king of the Norman dynasty. His successor was King Stephen, who was the son of Henry's sister. But because his FATHER was not of the royal family, he is considered part of a new dynasty. Stephen's reign was contested by Henry I's daughter Mathilda, and she eventually won to a certain extent, in that her own son Henry would be recognized as Stephen's successor. Henry II is considered the first of the Plantagenet dynasty, although at the time, his family was known as the Angevins. Both names come from Henry II's father, Geoffrey, who used the planta genesta flower as a personal symbol, and he was the Count of Anjou. Count of Anjou was just about the least prestigious of Henry II's titles. From his mother and maternal grandfather, he was Duke of Normandy and King of England. From his marriage to his wife, Eleanor, Duchess of Aquitaine, he was Duke of Aquitaine. He was a Duke twice over and a King, so Count of Anjou is arguably the lowest of the ranks he could claim, but his family is not part of the Norman dynasty or the older and more prestigious Aquitainian house. They are the Angevins, because that's his father. His son Richard I, was only a younger son growing up and was only expected to inherit the Duchy of Aquitaine, with his older brother to be King, so Richard strongly identified as Duke of Aquitaine, but he was still referred to as an Angevin, because that was his paternal line. Years later, under King Richard II, his heirs were his cousins, the House of Mortimer, whose mother was the only daughter of Richard's father's eldest brother, Lionel, Duke of Clarence. But their name was Mortimer, not the royal name, because their royal claim was maternal. Later, the Plantagenet dynasty was split into the rival factions of the House of York and the House of Lancaster, named for the two Dukes they were descended from, who were royal princes, John of Lancaster and Edmund of York, Lion of Clarence's younger brothers. When the House of York claimed the throne from the Lancastrians and took it by force, it was on the basis of their descent from the Duke of Clarence & his daughter, whose Mortimer descendant had married a York husband. Even though their claim was via the Duke of Clarence and his Mortimer descendant, they still retained their patronymic as the House of York, and were the first ones to really use the Plantagenet name to refer to themselves. Again, the father's name, even if the crown came to the family by several maternal links. The House of York was deposed by Henry Tudor, whose name was Welsh. His claim to the throne was very shaky, but it came from his mother, Margaret Beaufort, the last descendant of the Duke of Lancaster who was not on the other side. He solidified his claim by marrying a princess of the House of York, so his son, Henry VIII's strongest claim to the throne came from his mother. But again, he used his father's name of Tudor. Their rivals to the throne consisted of the De La Pole family, who were descended from a sister of the first Yorkist king, but went by De La Pole, not Plantagenet, and later the Pooles, under Margaret Poole, daughter of the last surviving male Plantagenet. Henry VIII even had her and her children and grandchildren murdered, even though she had been his daughter's nanny, because of her claim to the throne. But she went by her husband's name, not her father's royal name. When the people born to Tudor fathers were all dead, the throne went to King James Stuart, whose claim came from a Tudor princess great-grandmother, but he went by Stewart. When the line of Stuart kings was deposed, eventually the throne went to the Hanover Dynasty, with King George I, whose mother was a granddaughter of King James. Again, he got the throne through his mother, but kept his father's name. He and his descendants retained the crown of Hanover up until Queen Victoria inherited. Women could not inherit that crown, so her father's younger brother became King of Hanover (and the rulers of Hanover retained British royal titles until World War 1, when the British canceled all the titles for anyone from an enemy country), while Victoria herself inherited. But her descendants took a new name when she married Prince Albert, and then THEIR descendants took the name Windsor as an affectation, because Albert's name was so flagrantly German. The idea that Phillip's children should take their mother's name, because his was foreign or because the crown comes from her, was utterly without precedent in the history of the English crown. An awful lot of the traditions and customs and "long-established" practices the royal servants and bureaucrats imposed on Elizabeth and Phillip in the early years of their marriage and her reign were actually fairly recent bullshit that would have been unheard of a mere century before. The English monarchy as we know it dates back to 1066, over 800 years before Elizabeth's birth, but these clowns were making her jump through hoops because that's how their grandfathers did it. Since last names were invented, every English monarch had a foreign last name, whether French, Welsh, Scottish or German. Many English kings had titles from other countries such as Henry II & his sons, who were, in addition to the King of England, Duke of Aquitaine, Duke of Normandy, Count of Anjou, Count of Maine and Count of Touraine, all of which were French estates, for which they did homage to the King of France. It did not give Louis VII any authority in England: when he wanted to make a pilgrimage to the tomb of St Thomas Becket, his friend in life, he had to ask permission of his vassal Duke Henry to come to England. It did not stop Henry from repeatedly bitch-slapping Louis whenever they fought, or his son Richard from doing the same to Louis' son Phillip II. The implication I get from this show was that the courtiers and bureaucrats who ran the monarchy didn't like or want Phillip as a royal consort so they made him jump through all sorts of hoops. It's not even like his foreign titles were enemy countries! Denmark was neutral in World War 1 and an ally of sorts (or at least an enemy of Germany) in World War 2, and Greece was an ally in both wars. Phillip himself was a descendant of Queen Victoria. The reason for making him give up everything to marry Elizabeth were petty and not at all rooted in any sort of monarchial tradition.

he married woman who was first in line for the crown whose father, the King, died only at 56. If he lived another let's say 30 years, thing could have been quite different for Elizabeth and Phillip in terms on her being the Queen.

He thought they would have more time , George V1 died quite young from cancer , he could have had another 20 years .

@@sarahudson108 definitely true. But if this is a true depiction, he would have been upset at these changes twenty years later as well. Someone marrying the crown princess has to know what they are getting into.

Philip's courtship was also encouraged by his uncle Louis Mountbatten, who saw early on that Elizabeth liked Philip. Louis hoped the marriage would legitimize Philip again and their Mountbatten family. It was a great match but they didn't think they would be challenged in other ways.

Thank you! That's what I'm saying!

@@lordalessan she was the crown princess. That comes with the territory.

and private FLYING LESSONS

The point was that they don't like Buckingham Palace. From what I've gathered, it's not a comfortable place to live. Philip and Elizabeth wanted to remain in the stately home that they had just renovated to their tastes, the place that they liked. So what she's really telling him is that, "No, you don't get a say in how our family lives anymore." I'd be annoyed to.

Honestly as much of a brat as he and the whole royal family is, the whole season irritated me as Elisabeth proceeded to wreck anything and everyone in her life for the sake not even of herself, but the crown, when the crown would not have been threatened by anything that the people wanted. She COULD have been flexible. You don't actually have to follow the protocol. "The crown must always win" against what? FOR what? Constipation??? @@seanp2871

​@seanp2871 Well, Buckingham Palace is the place where everyone associates and communicates to the royal family... it's like forcing Google's headquarters from their famous building (Googleplex) in California to your house in Bitchfield (this is a real place in England) 😂😂

If that had really been the case Margaret Thatcher or Jackie Kennedy would be names that no one would remember.

@@Threeleebird If that _hadn't_ been the case, the world would've known Margaret Roberts and Jackie Bouvier. Thatcher kept her career, but lost her name. Jackie lost her career and her name. I'm not certain if Margaret and Jackie lived on their own before they married, but if either of them did, they gave up their home as well. btw, When Jackie married Aristotle Onassis, she became known as Jackie O.

You clearly dont know much about that era.

@@Mybpeterson Everyone knew her name was Jackie Bouvier. Hell, Marge Simpsons' maiden name is Bouvier as a direct reference to her (and her mother literally is named Jaqueline Bouvier just to make it more obvious), and that was a gag from the late 80's.

@@berserkasaurusrex4233 No one ever would've known her as Jackie Kennedy, which is what I was replying to.

You think its the same, you want to be on equal footing? take woman clothes and make her walk in public. That the equivalent from taking away man's name. men will rather die than doing that. same with woman will rather die then walking in public naked.

Not since the early 1800s have women been forced to not be allowed lives and careers. Since the napoleonic era women have had jobs and lives outside of the home, and many times they were forced to work as the family could not afford them not to work.

@@sullivandmitry1416 ha? even since 1300s woman can work outside and make money their own. Who do you think weave all the wool in England?

more like previous centuries, but ok

It is well known he cheated on her after she became queen as he resented as he had been given no real role. Everyone needs a job, a life's work and Philip was denied this. did he love her Yes, I think he did, at first while she was still princess. he had a military career then. He did not like being the queen's husband. I do think if George VI had lived another 25 years it would have been better for Philip and Elizabeth.

He didn’t have any choice lol, divorce was not an option. They were stuck with each other till death they did part.

@@peachygal4153 Actualy those rumors have been dismissed even by severol of those women,also like a friend said how was he sopose to manige to do that he had pepol with him all the time,part of the resons thise rumors started was some of his friends and their club and some of that group marriges was ended becose of cheeting however that assosiation was soundly disspruved by meny and one of the resons is how was he soppose to get that chase when he had pepol around him all the time

Ummm.... Let's calm it down. He knew what the deal was when he said I do. It's not like Queen Elizabeth's sibling abdicated the throne. He knew she would always be queen. So why complain now? She was never a modern woman so I don't know why he was surprised she got right in line with the Tories

Philip was born into royalty. He was the nephew of the King of Greece. He knew exactly what he was getting into when marrying Elizabeth and exactly what "rights" the monarch and their family have.

😂😂😂😂😂

They eventually did for their male line descendants. Instead, it’s “Mountbatten-Windsor”

They would have, but the real reason Mountbatten was intolerable by the political top branches was because it was German in a just recently post-WWII Britain, especially given the fact that many of Phillip’s relatives were Nazis themselves. Windsor was the name chosen to erase Germanic symbolism (replacing Hanover) after the first world war and it was used the same way after the second. Everything German had to go.

@@DogeSpeaks True but times have changed. One of the King’s grandchildren is called Archie Mountbatten Windsor.

@@stephenmurphy2212 That's precisely my point I was making. Times have in fact changed, but "at the time" German association was something they were avoiding like the plague. Churchill himself was a huge part in advocating that the Royal family do everything they can to distance themselves from German relations moving forward.

@@stephenmurphy2212 if "Archie" even exists.The King's name at birth was Charles Philip Arthur George Mountbatten-Windsor.

Third cousins. They were pretty distantly related.

@@xxwhispersxx2856Not so distant. They were second cousins once removed through King Christian IX of Denmark and third cousins through Queen Victoria.

Apparently not, since the royal family uses the name Mountbatten-Windsor now.... so they actually took both, which is kinda dope

@@kronaeon3377 Some members use the name Mountbatten-Windsor, but the house name under Elizabeth was Windsor like how Victoria's house name was continued from the British royal generation before her.

Queen Victoria took Prince Albert’s name so Philip isn’t being unreasonable to expect the same.

who cares if she's THE queen, she can take the name

@@RedcoatLeader No, she didn't. The house name didn't change until Victoria's son took the throne.

He disowned his father because that was the only way he could marry Elizabeth. He made choice for love, Elizabeth forced the second choice on him for politics. How can someone be so dense to not get it the difference?

Not exactly the case. When Phillip came to England, he took his mother's and uncle's name because it was a known BRITISH name. It was to assimilate, especially as he was a foreign prince without a kingdom.

Lol!

It is painful when you're from a royal family which have lost its glory, you think are working hard to revive it, but end up giving up totally on it to save your wife's dynasty. That's what happened to the Mountbattens. That's why he's devastated.

@@Sashita_ how? Mountbattens were never a royal house

Which issues? The refusal to change the royal name was an entirely unprecedented development. Victoria's children for example took their father's name once the head of the royal family died (as it was custom). Historically, the royal family's official name has been dependent on the name of the head of said family, but it could change whenever a royal succeeded the throne with a different surname (or when the acting monarch chose another name for themselves). I reality, most people didn't really care about the matter, the two only people who staunchly opposed the name change were Churchill (because he opposed everything German in general on a personal basis and the marriage to Prince Philip as well as the name change, because he blamed Lord Mountbatten for "losing India") and the Queen's mother, because she opposed the marriage to Philip (because in her eyes he wasn't a "proper" candidate due to his mother being "mad" and his father having been ousted from his native Greece)

They changed a lot about Phillip in the early seasons. Him having a fit about kneeling to Elizabeth at her coronation was one fabrication when the real Phillip happily helped plan the whole thing and gave her a smooch on the cheek when he got to his feet.

its a historical drama

So, the family is entirely inbred. That explains a lot

Exactly, plus he knew he was going to marry a queen so why complain?

Well, as far as the name goes, he was right to think that. That was how it's worked for 1000 years. Queen Victoria was part of the House of Hanover, but her children were a part of the House of Sax-Cobrug & Gotha, Queen Anne was part of the House of Stuart, but her son was part of the House of Oldenburg (though he died befor ascending the throne, he was recognized as part of that house), Mary, Queen of Scots was a Stuart, and her son only kept the name because his father was also a Stuart. Prior to Elizabeth, every instance where a Queen had children, they took their father's names; it was perfectly reasonable to think his would as well. Then, when it comes to living in Buckingham Palace, neither of them wanted to. They had just renovated Clarence House and wanted to live there. It isn't a far commute, so it isn't unreasonable to think they might be able to keep some of their life separate from the Crown. But Elizabeth caved to pressure and insisted; he's allowed to be annoyed that she's throwing out what both of them want in favor of what the Palace is telling her to do. Frankly, neither of his complaints here are unreasonable.

@@seanp2871 Just to add that King Charles III has designated Clarence House as his personal residence and Buckingham Palace will only be used for official business in future owing to the fact that it costs a fortune to run and is infested with mice.

That's normal, it's just the classical having 0 empathy for men. If it was a woman complaining how everything was taken from her you'd probably be distraught lol.

​@@ceejay1476 he was literally whining about having to endure what women are outright expected to endure just for being women. An easier version of it actually, since he doesn't have to worry about retirement while bearing/raising children. If he became an advocate for women's rights it would be one thing, but he gained no empathy for women from experiencing a woman's normal situation. Because at the end of the day most men think women are meant to be second class citizens.

@@ss-ds2dn sorry, don't buy it. You'll see a grown ass woman stubbing her toe and you'll immediately throw yourself at her feet and rant on about how it's all the fault of the evil males. Meanwhile you could see a little boy thrown off a bridge for no reason, raped and strangled and you wouldn't even feel anything whatsoever. That is the reality for the average feminist.

@@ceejay1476He was annoying because he kept acting emasculated. When he decided to marry the future QUEEN. On top of that the feeling of being emasculated is very sexist.

​@@ss-ds2dn Exactly, hard to have empathy for someone with a shit load of money complaining about something half the population is expected to do and does without any of the comforts of servents, summer houses, etc ....

*Philip had no choice. According* *to the letters Patent that were* *made into law in 1917* (Geo. V) " *Titles Deprivation Act 1917* " 1.) No British royal or member of the Peerage is to possess foreign citizenship or foreign title(s). 2.) No foreign royals/nobles are to have British titles, or ranks real or honorary (military ranks) 3.) Three of the then, existing Germanic houses in the UK (a.) anglicize their Germanic name to an English name *or* (b.) assume an English name. Therefore: *Saxe-Coburg and Gotha* (Victoria's husband, Prince Albert's last name) --> to become --> *WINDSOR* *Battenberg* --> to become --> *MOUNTBATTEN* *Teck* [1] --> to become --> *CAMBRIDGE* Note: "Hanover" ... Victoria's surname, was not used anymore in UK by the time of WW1 because the holders of that surname were no longer alive. HOWEVER: Victoria could not accede to the throne of Hanover because of Salic law. Her uncle, Prince Ernest Augustus Duke of Cumberland and Teviotdale and Earl of Armagh (1771-1851) acceded to the Hanoverian throne in 1837. (He was the 5th son of King George III of the UK) Ernest's son, George (b. 1819) was born as Prince George of Cumberland. He became George V of Hanover (in 1851) He was the last king of Hanover. The Hanoverian monarchy was abolished (1866) by unification with Germany (formerly Prussia) George V's of Hanover had only one son "Ernest Augustus, Crown Prince of Hanover, *3rd Duke of* *Cumberland and Teviotdale* (1845 - 1923), Ernest Augustus was deprived of the throne of Hanover upon its annexation by Prussia in 1866 and later the Duchy of Brunswick in 1884. *Ernest Augustus was* *deprived of his British peerages* *and honours for having sided with* *Germany in World War I.* "The Titles Deprivation Act 1917 suspended the title on 28 March 1919." --- Wikipedia (Duke of Cumberland) ____________________________ Mary of Teck, George V. 's wife had two brothers both adopted the name of Cambridge as a surname. Note: *Prince William being the Duke* *of Cambridge* (before he was the Prince of Wales was a new creation. The last Duke of Cambridge, before Prince William was Queen Victoria's first cousin, George (b.1819) Duke of Cambridge The above-mentioned first cousin George Duke of Cambridge had a sister named Princess Mary Adelaide of Cambridge. Mary Adelaide of Cambridge married Prince Francis Duke of Teck (from the Kingdom of Württemberg. He was serving in the Austrian army before he married Mary Adelaide. The Duke and Duchess of Teck's oldest child was a girl named Mary ("May") of Teck who married George V. of UK (when he was the Duke of York = Before Edward VIII abdicated and became the Duke of Windsor.)

Ironically, Phillip did more to earn his name, and worked harder in his life than the Queen. Actually served in the navy. (Cape Matapan), himself was greek royalty forced to flee his home. He was far more deserving of his titles and whatnot than her. (technically)

He could have comfortably lived that life even without paying that price. So, now you look quite stupid, eh?

It was just a huge insult to his manhood, given the values at the time

I mean, Queen Elizabeth's great, but she did seem to fold on everything she wanted in this scene. Like, literally everything. Not saying she wasn't strong, but this really isn't an example of her being strong.

King of England? Have the other nations of the United Kingdom suddenly become separate nations????

They did later on

True, the royals were really oblivious to change and were hardcore sticking to outdated customs, the additions to the family brought the changes within and at Britain's perception of the RF, like Prince Philip, Princess Diana and Princess Catherine. Imo the Royal family learnt their lessons in a hard way through Charles and Diana, it's again because of their resistance to change costed them this lesson.

Should have gotten his divorce rock out..that would have solved some of his wife issues.

Yep. And I think it' also worth mentioning that Liz got the best of both Matriarchy and Patriarchy, quite a jackpot.

@@Brian-wj7gb Actually in my opinion she didn't challenge the patriarchy really, because in reality she the most senior male line descendant of Queen victoria and that is why she became Queen, had her father had a son then she would have been passed over.

old school lazy a55 macho since he didnt do anything

Look up constitutional monarchy 🙄

And being forced to move into a palace🙄

@@valr1260Aye.

thats bascially wrong, the original family name of Windors was Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (a stil existing German noble family). This is the name of prince albert who was married to Queen Victoria, her lastname was Hannover (also German). There kids where as it was tradition in the family name of the husband. The name change to Windsor was a move, during world war 1, to show the british people that the family who was super german by the ancestors is a british family and not working together with the german cousin of the king, emperor Wilhelm 2.

Until Queen Elizabeth, that was literally never the case. Every other time Queens got married, their children took their father's surnames that the royal lines passed through them with no issue. This whole talk about needing stability is a farce. The reason they weren't allowed is Because Queen Mary and Winston Churchill opposed it (Queen Mary because her husband changed the name to Windsor and Churchill because, from what I gather, he disliked Lord Mountbatten).

And then ignored the things he wasn't a knob about. He was happy and played a big part in Elizabeth's coronation, he was fascinated by space travel, he did a lot of work for science and advancements in the field.

Yes, he's had so little press praising him and hiding his faults. Oh, wait. @@xxwhispersxx2856

A lot of work? Those pampered pooches wouldn't know work if it slapped them on the arse.

Trillions? 😂

@@alexfilma16 you must be a man

They didn't have careers or homes back then, silly. Why do you think working women meant a prostitute? It's because it was the only instance where men regularly saw them at any form of work, WW2 emergency factories nonwithstanding obviously.

Exactly. It’s a Germanic family.

Good for her! Such wonderful woman!

Were your parents married? If not why should you have your fathers name?

​@@startracker5895 No they are only lovers, but dad still insisted on that.

In many cultures, still today, that is the tradition, to take the mother's family name. It makes sense too - one is always certain of who the mother is.

It should be Mountbatten-Windsor.

For that matter the Royals also changed their name from Saxe Coburg Gotha to Windsor in 1916 in response to the gutter press hysteria mongering of the time. This was said to have prompted the Kaiser's sole joke when he told a newly arrived ambassador that while the war had ended most of Berlin's nightlife the Shakespeare Society was doing a production of the Merry Wives of Saxe Coberg Gotha.

There was only generation of Saxe Gotha Coburg. Strictly the Royal Family was the House of Hanover.

Yet women are always expected to do that and to not complain. Should you feel for Elizabeth had the roles been reversed, or would you just see it as something normal?

@@FanyLI I think today it's safe to say it's not normal for either men or women. Rather than pointing in the other direction saying "but women have been subject to the same for so long!", it should be held up as a highlight as to why it's not equitable for anyone, regardless of gender.

@NACLGames My thoughts exactly!

But a choice he made nonetheless. And I doubt Greece would have worked out given the history.

Wrong. His marriage had nothing to do with him losing his place in the line of succession to the Greek throne. His father was forced to abdicate in 1922, and he got married in 1947. It did prevent him from being able to become King of the Danish throne, but he was never going to become their King anyway.